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Animetrom |
can someone help me? |
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Animetrom |
??? |
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Fritigern |
kaeza: I have static_spawnpoint set, but /spawn does not work |
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Fritigern |
Animetrom: Nobodsy can help you if they don't know the problem |
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Cacatoes |
when trying on local server, indeed, setting static_spawnpoint doesn't seem to help ( Invalid command: spawn) |
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kaeza |
Fritigern, the command is registered only if `static_spawnpoint` is set at load time. blame Krock about that |
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Fritigern |
Why would i blame Krock for a minetest.conf setting? |
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Fritigern |
Correction, a DEFAULT minetest.conf setting |
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kaeza |
Fritigern, not because of a setting, but because of not outright registering the command and simply making it no-op if the setting is not found at runtime |
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kaeza |
actually, /spawn pull was not merged... |
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Fritigern |
That makes zero sense. static_spawnpoint is a vanilla minetest.conf settong, it IS set, and IS loaded at runtime beccause new users spawn there. Try again |
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kaeza |
well, read above. which mod are you using for `/spawn` |
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kaeza |
+? |
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Fritigern |
None |
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Fritigern |
Was i supposed to? |
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kaeza |
well, there's no `/spawn` command by default |
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Fritigern |
And there we have it! |
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Fritigern |
So why in the world would you assume someone uses a mod for /spawn if they never said that they did? |
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kaeza |
eh? |
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Fritigern |
[15:16:23] [[ Cacatoes ]] someone point me to a way to enable /spawn command ? I haven't found. I want a way for players to teleport back to a safe place |
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Fritigern |
You replied to that, saying [15:56:28] [[ kaeza ]] Cacatoes, `/spawn` does not work unless you set `static_spawnpoint` |
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kaeza |
Fritigern, my response was based on the assumption that this was merged: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1690/files |
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kaeza |
which was not |
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Fritigern |
Then you were also assuming that Cacatoes as using a version wuich was built in the last 17 days, which as a lot of assumptions to make |
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Fritigern |
*as = are |
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kaeza |
my apologies, should refrain from trying to help next time |
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Fritigern |
No, but you should ask for more infrmation instead of assuming stuff. |
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twoelk |
hehe, same thing happened to me a few days ago. I was absolutely convinced /spawn had been merged and thus gave a lot of rubish advice |
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* RealBadAngel |
yawns |
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* twoelk |
goes to bed |
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zat |
what is spawn for anyway? |
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AllEvil669 |
I'm pulling my hair out here. I can't get a crafting recpie to work. |
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RealBadAngel |
zat, whats your problem with "spawn" ? |
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zat |
RealBadAngel: not knowing its purpose!!! lol!!! |
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RealBadAngel |
you mean the spawn as area? |
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zat |
the /spawn command |
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RealBadAngel |
a sec |
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zat |
why not making a /sec command then? |
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OldCoder |
AllEvil what recipe |
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OldCoder |
is the obvious question |
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OldCoder |
Hm, he/she is gone |
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zat |
I am gone too!!! |
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RealBadAngel |
frustrating when you are lookin for an answer and one who asked just left |
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OldCoder |
Happens |
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AllEvil669 |
Does anyone know how crafting recpies work? I cannot get any of them to output anything. |
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zlsa |
RealBadAngel, AllEvil669 is back |
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zlsa |
OldCoder, ^ |
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AllEvil669 |
Is that a bad thing? |
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AllEvil669 |
Should I go? |
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zlsa |
no |
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zlsa |
they asked questions about it after you left |
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zlsa |
but you weren't here anymore.... :) |
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RealBadAngel |
AllEvil669, youre writing a mod or what? |
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AllEvil669 |
Yes. |
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AllEvil669 |
I've been "testing", and I think my issue with crafting recpies stems from the "shape" of the defined recipe. |
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OldCoder |
AllEvil669, go on |
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Cylus |
What shape? |
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OldCoder |
AllEvil669, how about cloning an existing mod first, a very simple one, and changing what it does? |
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OldCoder |
This is almost guaranteed both to work and to teach you how it goes |
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AllEvil669 |
Yes, that was what I did to get to where I am. |
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OldCoder |
At what stage did it break? |
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AllEvil669 |
At the stage where I stare at the code for 24 hours straight, and the miss a closing bracket. I'd like to thank LazyJ, in #minetest-mods for pointing me in the right diredction. |
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AllEvil669 |
I fell like a rank noob now. I thought I was past these types of mistakes. |
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Cylus |
AllEvil669: It happens to the best of us. |
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AllEvil669 |
Yeah, I just feel slilly making mistakes I made 20+ years ago. |
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AllEvil669 |
I should be making exciting new mistakes. |
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Zeno` |
Are you there RealBadAngel? |
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Zeno` |
How do I test this mesh.7z ? |
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Zeno` |
nvm :) |
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xrazybud |
how do i change the order of loading mods? |
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xrazybud |
technic says an error for pipeworks but i have that |
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Miner_48er |
add pipeworks to technic's depends file |
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xrazybud |
how do you do that? |
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Miner_48er |
open depends.txt in a text editor and add pipeworks on a new line |
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xrazybud |
it's in it |
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Miner_48er |
did it work? |
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xrazybud |
no |
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xrazybud |
it's in technic/technic though... do all those folders need to be in the root mod? |
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Miner_48er |
paste the error at pastie.org and paste the link here |
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xrazybud |
http://pastie.org/9649094 |
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xrazybud |
it's 0.4.10 |
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Miner_48er |
what is the name of the pipeworks directory? |
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xrazybud |
pipeworks |
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xrazybud |
pipeworks has loaded fine before too |
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Miner_48er |
what versions of technic and pipeworks are you using? |
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xrazybud |
technic from https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2538 and not sure about pipeworks |
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Miner_48er |
when did you download them? |
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xrazybud |
pipeworks maybe a few weeks ago and technic just now |
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Miner_48er |
there was a recent update to technic for a change in pipeworks try updating pipeworks |
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xrazybud |
awesome that worked thanks |
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xrazybud |
i'll be able to idle here maybe starting next week |
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Miner_48er |
good |
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xrazybud |
and chat too :P |
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xrazybud |
i was thinkin about makin an amirite ore plugin loipl |
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Miner_48er |
try looking at some of the ore generation mods for ideas |
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Miner_48er |
moreores is the most used one |
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xrazybud |
do you have any tips on finding the ores? |
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xrazybud |
in game |
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ThatGraemeGuy |
dig. look. repeat. |
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ThatGraemeGuy |
:-p |
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xrazybud |
hehe |
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Miner_48er |
yes there supposed to be random |
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Amaz |
Does anyone have any idea why this code doesn't work? if pos.x = 77 and pos.y = 256.5 and pos.z = 193 then With any thing other than = (Like > or <=) it works, but with =, it generates this error: init.lua:12: 'then' expected near '='this error: |
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Zeno` |
== |
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Zeno` |
= is assignment, == is comparison |
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Amaz |
Great, thanks! |
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Fritigern |
Zeno`: I have made that mistake a lot on Secondlife, wehre i do code quite a bit. For example if(name = "bill"){do stuff} instead of if(name == "bill"){do stuff}. I workaround that shortcoming of mine by inverting the comparison to if(name != "bill"){return}else{do stuff}. It's ugly, but it may have saved me from mindlessly staring at the code for who knows how mny times. |
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Zeno` |
Yes, I don't like inverting the order of operands (it's not natural). I believe that Amaz was talking about Lua, though so it's an error and not a warning that most (all?) modern C and C++ compilers will emit |
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Zeno` |
I do do stuff like if ((x = blah()) {} // i.e. add parenthesis |
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Amaz |
Yes, I was talking about Lua. |
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Zeno` |
I dunno... maybe it's personal preference but I really hate seeing stuff like if (0 == x) {} |
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PilzAdam |
lol, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=158247#p158247 |
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Zeno` |
Lua mapgen can't be efficient <--- I'd agree with that |
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Zeno` |
LVM takes wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy too long to populate the table (and write it back) |
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Zeno` |
much longer that the actual mapgen stuff itself |
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Zeno` |
i.e. 60x longer in most cases |
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Zeno` |
mainly because data is scattered all over the place in the engine |
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barks |
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Zeno` |
lol |
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GhostDoge |
It's automatic reconnect time! \o/ |
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Amaz |
!server cube |
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MinetestBot |
Amaz: Cube World | minetest.ig42.org | Clients: 4/10, 2/6 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest | Ping: 111ms |
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Megaf_ |
Amaz: is the world a cube in that server? |
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Amaz |
Yep. |
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PenguinDad |
!server ping:least |
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MinetestBot |
PenguinDad: Craig's Server | 86.140.28.58 | Clients: 2/30, 1/5 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / Craig-Server | Ping: 13ms |
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Zeno` |
is there anyway to reset/clear ALL nodes/mapgen below a certain depth? |
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Fritigern |
I have an issue, in minetest.conf i have set static_spawnpoint = 473, 20, -241 , but for some reason, new users spawn at -161, 19, 289. Does anyone have any idea why, and more importantly, how can i fix this? |
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Fritigern |
The weirdest part is that people USED to spawn at the intended location, but not anymore. This really is a big issue |
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ThatGraemeGuy_ |
Zeno`: I wrote a Python script that did that a while ago |
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ThatGraemeGuy_ |
its kinda ugly though |
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Zeno` |
ThatGraemeGuy_, does it work with leveldb? |
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ThatGraemeGuy_ |
sqlite3, but if you know python I'm sure it could be modified |
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ThatGraemeGuy_ |
it basically goes through every mapblock found in the db, decodes the co-ordinates, and if its east/west/below/whatever parameters you want deletes the block |
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Zeno` |
hmm |
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ThatGraemeGuy_ |
i've thought of cleaning it up and putting it on github, just never got to it |
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Dragonop |
Hi |
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ThatGraemeGuy_ |
since i was looking at that a few months ago, this is the second time i've ever seen anyone ask for such a thing |
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Zeno` |
it'd be nice if it worked for all db backends |
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Fritigern |
Okay, i have no choice bot to take my serve offline until i have found a solution for this problem |
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Amaz |
Fritigern, is there a mod that has anything to do with spawning? |
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Fritigern |
There used to be, but is no longer installed, so everything should have reverted to the old behavior |
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Amaz |
Odd. |
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Fritigern |
To be precise, i used to have ServerExtended 0.5, but it caused larger issues that the ones that it would solve |
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Fritigern |
One of the modules of ServerExtended caused regular users, new and existing ones, to hang in limbo upon login (admins were not affected). Unacceptable of course. So it's gone. |
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Amaz |
Does this work? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=gGYBuAj2 |
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Fritigern |
I don;t know, i am not a coder |
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Amaz |
Could you try it? |
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Fritigern |
How, what, where? |
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Zeno` |
that shouldn't be necessary |
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Zeno` |
can you paste the .conf line for static spawn? |
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Fritigern |
I already have : static_spawnpoint = 473, 20, -241 |
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Zeno` |
did you paste that? |
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Fritigern |
I did paste it from minetest.conf |
| 12:35 |
Zeno` |
try without spaces |
| 12:36 |
Zeno` |
e.g. static_spawnpoint = 473,20,-241 |
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Fritigern |
okay, done. Starting up the server and logging in with the testuser |
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Zeno` |
I don't think testuser is probably a "new user" |
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Fritigern |
testurser is definitely a new user. I just created it |
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Zeno` |
k |
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Fritigern |
Nope, i even made a new new user, but no joy |
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Fritigern |
I can't help but feeling that this wasn;t a bug, but that it was a hack instead. |
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Zeno` |
have you got some kind of spawn mod installed? |
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Fritigern |
[05:28:03] [[ Amaz ]] Fritigern, is there a mod that has anything to do with spawning? |
| 12:39 |
Fritigern |
[05:28:38] [[ Fritigern ]] There used to be, but is no longer installed, so everything should have reverted to the old behavior |
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jin_xi |
Fritigern: can you try set another static spawnpoint closer to origin for a test? Nothing further than 200 nodes |
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Fritigern |
You mean closer to 0,0,0? |
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jin_xi |
yes |
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Fritigern |
I'll give it a go. 10,3,10 should do it i think |
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jin_xi |
yes |
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Fritigern |
Nope, i died and respawned at the "unauthorised" spawn point. |
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jin_xi |
ok. thanks for trying |
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Amaz |
Add http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=gGYBuAj2 into init.lua of a mod folder (Maybe call it respawn), and it should work... |
| 12:44 |
Amaz |
Not ideal though. |
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Zeno` |
wait, so they spawn at the right place but not respawn at the same place after they die? |
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Fritigern |
No, both the initial spawn, as the respawn_on_death is in the wrong spot |
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Fritigern |
Amaz, your method would suppress a symptom, not cure the disease. |
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Zeno` |
you haven't got it twice in the .conf file? |
| 12:46 |
Amaz |
Yep. |
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Fritigern |
Or, in IT terms, it's a workaround, not a solution |
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Zeno` |
just ruling things out :) |
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Zeno`: I checked, it's there only once |
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jin_xi |
nethack speedrun with df music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ8x3Bps1Q4 |
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zat |
what could this be? http://pastebin.com/Qsa9jXSt |
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zat, an error. It's probably minetest which can't write the file because there is not enough place, or because it is not allowed, or another reason. |
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PenguinDad |
They are watching :D http://a.pomf.se/lkczna.png |
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Amaz |
They are watching a lot! https://cdn.mediacru.sh/nHfcdMb4U5En.png |
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Amaz |
:D |
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ElectronLibre |
Are these doppelgangers mobs? |
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zat1 |
ElectronLibre: but I have like 30G free |
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Amaz |
Nope. |
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ElectronLibre |
zat1 : It's probably minetest is not allowed to write there. |
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exio4 |
\o/ hi weird and lovely people |
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Amaz |
ElectronLibre, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1738 |
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zat1 |
ElectronLibre: the bug isnt reproducible |
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zat1 |
ElectronLibre: minetest always starts fine |
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PenguinDad |
ElectronLibre: these are meshnode |
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PenguinDad |
s |
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ElectronLibre |
Ah, I see. |
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Fritigern |
Is anyone aware of an exploit that will let a mlicious user set the spawn point to an arbitrary location in such a way that it can not be changed back? Because if such an exploit exists, then i may have been hit with this one |
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Fritigern |
Now, i am not interested in HOW it works, i would like to know how to fix this mess |
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Fritigern |
And by spawn point i mean static spawn point |
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Amaz |
Fritergern, what happens if you remove the static spawn point from the config?# |
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Fritigern |
I don;lt know but chances are that users will still spawn in the wrong location. Zeno and i have been messing with this and look at what happened: |
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06:44:40: ACTION[ServerThread]: zeno damaged by 36 hp at (-161,19.987,289) | 06:44:42: ACTION[ServerThread]: Moving zeno to static spawnpoint at (473,20,-241) | 06:44:42: ACTION[ServerThread]: zeno respawns at (-161,20,289) |
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VanessaE |
Fritigern: that's a lag problem |
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VanessaE |
known bug, it's not an exploit at all |
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Fritigern |
Moving zeno to 473,20,-241 because he died, but respawns at -161,20,289 |
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Fritigern |
Lag? This is a consistent thing |
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VanessaE |
it has to do with the client taking too long to acknowledge the death or somethinbg |
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VanessaE |
-b |
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Fritigern |
It is where new users spawn, you have seen it. That is NOT the spawn point that i set |
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VanessaE |
remember, the server has the absolute last word on where the client needs to be in the world, including acknowledging dig/build actions. |
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VanessaE |
it's a bug |
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VanessaE |
notice where the user respawned at - the same place they were killed at, |
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Fritigern |
I refuse to believe that it is lag. It can not be that lag causes ALL new users to spawn in the wrong spot |
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VanessaE |
it IS lag. this is an ollllllllld bug |
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Fritigern |
They will alo respawn there if they get killed on the toerh side of the map |
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VanessaE |
directly related to the code that communicates death messages between the server and client |
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cities |
I spawn there and I never died there |
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VanessaE |
has nothing at all to do with the code that teleports the user around as far as I know |
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Fritigern |
LISTEN! NEW USERS SPAWN THERE WHILST THAT IS NOT THE STATIC SPAWN |
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VanessaE |
Fritigern: dude, I'm telling you this is a known bug! https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/81 |
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VanessaE |
it's THAT old |
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Fritigern |
That is unrelated. Repeated death? |
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VanessaE |
new users spawning somewhere other than the static spawn is ALSO a known bug |
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VanessaE |
it's a networking glitch |
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VanessaE |
the repeated death is related to the kill bug you first mentioned. |
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Zephlon |
why doesn't the client just wait to receive spawn coordinates from the server before respawning? |
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Zephlon |
that's how it should work |
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Fritigern |
Lag can not be the issue, the server is local to me, and my new users too spwan there |
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VanessaE |
Fritigern: it IS lag, even if it's local. |
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VanessaE |
it's weird like that |
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VanessaE |
it's stupid, I know |
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VanessaE |
it's some weird bug in the networking code |
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VanessaE |
even a microsecond of lag could be enough to trigger it I guess |
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VanessaE |
happens on my servers and on Zeno's too |
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Zephlon |
lag can happen regardless of whether the server is at 127.0.0.1 or on the other side of the world |
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Fritigern |
Again, i refuse to believe that because it does not explain why the static_spawnpoint would be honored even when the server was highly stressed by another process |
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VanessaE |
I'm telling you it's a network glitch |
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Fritigern |
It changes from one day to another |
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Fritigern |
*changed |
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VanessaE |
it's a known bug that we've been fighting for a long while now |
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Dragonop |
#minetest-dev |
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VanessaE |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/922 |
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VanessaE |
there |
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VanessaE |
that's the one I wanted to link to |
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Fritigern |
Not related. This is about respawning at player position. That IS lag |
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VanessaE |
no, read the bug |
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VanessaE |
that's about the client sending movement packets too fast |
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VanessaE |
[10-15 11:27] <Fritigern> 06:44:40: ACTION[ServerThread]: zeno damaged by 36 hp at (-161,19.987,289) | 06:44:42: ACTION[ServerThread]: Moving zeno to static spawnpoint at (473,20,-241) | 06:44:42: ACTION[ServerThread]: zeno respawns at (-161,20,289) |
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VanessaE |
is that not what this is? |
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VanessaE |
player gets killed, player respawns, player gets teleported back to kill point |
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Fritigern |
New user, never logged in before. Spawns at wrong coords |
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Fritigern |
You KEEP overlooking that |
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VanessaE |
that's a different, also known bug |
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VanessaE |
I told you, that's a network glitch |
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Fritigern |
They all spawn at the same wrong coords |
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VanessaE |
either that or you set the value in your static_spawnpoint incorrectly :-) |
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Fritigern |
static_spawnpoint = 473,20,-241 |
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VanessaE |
usually the glitch puts players at 0,0,0 |
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VanessaE |
or something similar |
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VanessaE |
somewhere close to the world origin |
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Fritigern |
-161,20,289 is not close |
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VanessaE |
which I *believe* is because the "find a good spawn location" code is kicking in |
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Fritigern |
0,0,0 has a nice 32x32 platform to catch people |
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Fritigern |
So it should be suitable |
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VanessaE |
-161,20,289 might be the result of a hangup in the server then |
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VanessaE |
someone ended up there, and now the server doesn't want to acknowledge that they've left that area |
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Fritigern |
Consistently? For days on end? across hard and soft reboots? |
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VanessaE |
we've had THAT problem for a while too |
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VanessaE |
no, that's different. I've never seen it persist across a reboot |
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VanessaE |
you've got a mod doing it then |
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VanessaE |
maybe a jail mod? |
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Fritigern |
Well, this IS persisten, which is what it kept telling you |
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Fritigern |
No jail mod on this server |
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VanessaE |
you never mentioned that it was persisting across reboots. |
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Fritigern |
Nothing of the sort even |
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VanessaE |
do you maybe just have more than one static_spawnpoint set in your config files? |
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VanessaE |
say one in your server config and a second one being set in a game conf somewhere? |
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VanessaE |
something of that nature? |
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VanessaE |
(or even just two in your server config) |
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Fritigern |
No, i checked. I removed all server-relateds stuff from my game config, all client-related stuff from my server config, just to make sure that there can be no cross-contamination |
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Fritigern |
and i have gone over both repeatedly, but nothing |
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VanessaE |
if it using the two bugs I mentioned, and there's no configuration oversight, then there HAS to be a mod pushing users to that location somehow. |
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Fritigern |
I moved the static_spawnpoint line to the end of minetest.conf to make sure that it was not overwritten by a missed, duplicate static_spawnpoint |
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Amaz |
Can you give us a list of mods? |
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Fritigern |
I can. Hold on |
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jin_xi |
is it always the same point for all users? if so try grepping for the number |
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Fritigern |
My modlist: http://pastebin.com/M8cCaNJv |
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Fritigern |
jin_xi: Yes, it is always the same spot, which just so happens to be in the middle of a village, in the middle of a path, immediately in front of a door. Too many coincidences for my liking |
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VanessaE |
sounds like some kind of sethome-related mod |
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jin_xi |
maybe there is some old home or bed around |
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Fritigern |
Well, i am completely stumped, if this proves to be unfixable, i will have to start the world all over again and hope that this was a one-time deal. |
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Amaz |
Fritigern, try coping the map.sqlite to a new world, and seeing if that works. |
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Amaz |
May be worth a try. |
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Fritigern |
Amaz: I have tried something that i would expect to have a similar effect. I moved all the non-essential config files into a backup folder, and started the world again, but that didn;t help. I wil try your method later |
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Zephlon |
is it always the same coordinates? |
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Fritigern |
[08:47:46] [[ Fritigern ]] jin_xi: Yes, it is always the same spot, which just so happens to be in the middle of a village, in the middle of a path, immediately in front of a door. Too many coincidences for my liking |
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Zephlon |
what operating system is the server running on? |
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Fritigern |
Linux. Kubuntu 14:10 beta |
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Zephlon |
Try running this command in the terminal: grep -rnw '/path/to/minetest' -e "insert coords here" |
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Zephlon |
that should find every file that contains the wrong coordinates |
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Fritigern |
Already did, and it found it in debug.txt only |
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* Amaz |
throws https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1738 at Jordach |
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Calinou |
https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic_game/pull/10 heh |
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Calinou |
stumbled upon it by looking at nuclear's profile |
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Fritigern |
Amaz: I have learned a few things: moving the db to a new instance of the server (including mods) will result in users spawning in the wrong location. Moving the db to a clean minetest_game instance makes the user spawn close to (but not on) 0,0,0. this would indeed suggest a mod behaving badly, but only beds could conceivibly be remotely responsible, but nothing changed when i disabled that one |
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Fritigern |
I jut so completely done now, so totally fed up. I think that, if my co-admin agrees, i will just completely regenerate the world and hope it will never happen again. I will keep a backup of the server with stubborn spawn point, in case someone would want to investigate as some point in time |
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Fritigern |
But right now, i am tired, haven;t slept all noght, so i will see if i can have a 3-hour nap or so |
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realtinymonster |
PenguinDad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV2rM672HhE |
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Krock |
meow |
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PenguinDad |
Krock: omg so excited https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1738 |
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rubenwardy |
Hi all! |
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Krock |
dat stuff. |
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realtinymonster |
255! |
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realtinymonster |
255! |
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realtinymonster |
255! |
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PenguinDad |
!c str(2**4-1) + "!" |
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MinetestBot |
'15!' |
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PenguinDad |
!c str(2**8-1) + "!" |
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MinetestBot |
'255!' |
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PenguinDad |
^ realtinymonster :P |
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rubenwardy |
!c (str(2**8-1) + "!") * 20 |
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MinetestBot |
'255!255!255!255!255!255!255!255!255!255!255!255!255!255!255!255!255!255!255!255!' |
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PenguinDad |
realtinymonster: <3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEr4bTrR3QU |
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PenguinDad |
Rest In Pasta realtinymonster |
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OldCoder: i finnaly understand why you put empty lines after your texts, its because you are used to it from talk mode! |
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Krock |
lel. debian testing HDD's output was a kernel panic :D |
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PenguinDad |
Krock is using linux o_O |
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Krock |
PenguinDad, yeah. to test if a PC can boot or not |
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iqualfragile |
looks like it can't |
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Krock |
k, linux failed. starting win 95 |
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iqualfragile |
btw: how to freak anybody out: http://google.de./ |
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Krock |
^ https://www.google.de/?gws_rd=ssl ? |
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iqualfragile |
actually, google is a bad example, it redirect |
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iqualfragile |
point was that you can put a dot after any domain name |
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iqualfragile |
and it just looks strange |
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Krock |
http://thisdomaindoesnotexi.st/ |
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iqualfragile |
but its obviously valid |
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Krock |
the domain does what it sais |
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PenguinDad |
iqualfragile: how about https://duckduckgo.com./ ? |
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iqualfragile |
certificate warning |
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iqualfragile |
that might even be worth a bug report |
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Cylus |
iqualfragile: The trailing dot doesn't seem to work with HTTPS though, as far as I've seen. |
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Cylus |
iqualfragile: What is "talk mode"? |
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iqualfragile |
Cylus: yes, it does not because the strings "duckduckgo.com" and "duckduckgo.com." are not equal and the certificate is only valid for the first |
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iqualfragile |
Cylus: its when two people logged into the same computer want to talk |
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iqualfragile |
then you can open a direct connection between them and they can read what they type |
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Cylus |
iqualfragile: My certificate is good for cyl.us, cyl.us., *.cyl.us, and *.cyl.us. . However, the trailing dot domains don't work. |
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PenguinDad |
iqualfragile: are you talking about netcat? :P |
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Cylus |
Huh. I've never heard of that. If you're at the same keyboard, why not just speak? Leaving notes for the other, maybe? |
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iqualfragile |
PenguinDad: "on the same computer" |
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iqualfragile |
Cylus: "on the same computer" |
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iqualfragile |
Cylus: looks like your webserver is missconfigured |
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PenguinDad |
iqualfragile: that works with netcat :P |
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Cylus |
iqualfragile: Okay, maybe that was from back when I was having server setup issues. I tried again just now, and it worked. Now I feel like an idiot. |
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iqualfragile |
PenguinDad: but yeah, just like netcat |
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Cylus |
I still can't get www.* to hav it's own VirtualHost, either. |
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Cylus |
*have |
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iqualfragile |
lets play 1990s |
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LT |
hint: MFAR |
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Guest23867 |
that did not exist in the 1990s |
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sandrossv |
hello |
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Guest23867: Never mind, I did something stupid. HTTPS with a trailing dot results in a 400 error. |
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iqualfragile |
oh, ok, so it wasn't only me |
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Cylus |
Hmm. But DuckDuckGo's site works with the trailing dot .... I'll have to ask the Apache Web Server people what I could have done wrong. |
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Cylus |
It seems trailing dots in host names are in fact invalid in HTTPS URIs. |
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Cylus |
"HostName" contains the fully qualified DNS hostname of the server, |
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Cylus |
as understood by the client. The hostname is represented as a byte |
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Cylus |
string using UTF-8 encoding [UTF8], without a trailing dot. |
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Cylus |
<http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3546.txt> |
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sfan5 |
I wonder why DNS uses stuff with the trailing dot |
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Cylus |
The trailing dot is like the leading slash in a file name. |
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Cylus |
Without it, the name is technically relative. |
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iqualfragile |
hi shadowzone |
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shadowzone |
Hi. |
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PenguinDad |
<3 i3wm |
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iqualfragile |
PenguinDad: i<3 startx |
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zlsa |
I <3 i3wm as well |
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Cylus |
iqualfragile: V |
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Cylus |
<Cylus> It seems trailing dots in host names are in fact invalid in HTTPS URIs. |
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Cylus |
<Cylus> "HostName" contains the fully qualified DNS hostname of the server, |
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Cylus |
<Cylus> as understood by the client. The hostname is represented as a byte |
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Cylus |
<Cylus> string using UTF-8 encoding [UTF8], without a trailing dot. |
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Cylus |
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PenguinDad |
Poor Cylus :D |
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Cylus |
PenguinDad: I anticipated that. That's why I did the highlight *before* the paste. |
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iqualfragile |
Cylus: why no unicode? ↑ |
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iqualfragile |
↓ |
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iqualfragile |
â†â†’ |
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Cylus |
iqualfragile: Because I was being lazy and didn't want to open gucharmap. |
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iqualfragile |
but its right there on the keyboard, alt + numpad8 |
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iqualfragile |
(well, at least on my layout) |
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Cylus |
I don't have a number pad though. |
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sfan5 |
meow |
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iqualfragile |
sfan5: do you know when mapblocks get saved? |
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sfan5 |
no |
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iqualfragile |
do you know if they only get saved if changed? |
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sfan5 |
no |
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sfan5 |
why are you asking me |
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sfan5 |
I mean like |
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sfan5 |
they are probably changed if not saved |
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lamefun |
Minetest sure looks as if it got more popular! |
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VanessaE |
yep, and without the need for HTML5, and without Lua(JIT) being any problem at all |
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VanessaE |
:P |
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Hobodium |
What, no, it can't get popular! Then I'll have to find something else to work on! |
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VanessaE |
Hobodium: GNU/Hurd? ;) |
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Hobodium |
Hmm, that might just work! |
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lamefun |
http://repo.or.cz/w/luajit-2.0.git/shortlog/refs/heads/v2.1 - still a one-man project... |
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exio4 |
well, hi |
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VanessaE |
hey exio |
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exio4 |
:D |
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exio4 |
how is it going V? |
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VanessaE |
exio4: about the same as usual |
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exio4 |
aw :P |
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VanessaE |
damn it. |
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VanessaE |
(damn it = kaeza ping'ed out) |
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exio4 |
aw |
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needed to ask him a question about signs_lib |
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iqualfragile |
lamewell, we should switch to python |
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VanessaE |
iqualfragile: you missed. twice :P |
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iqualfragile |
VanessaE: i don't understand |
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VanessaE |
he ain't here. and he returned and left a second time. so you missed - twice :) |
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iqualfragile |
oh, ok |
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iqualfragile |
but yeah, switching to python would allow us to use pypy |
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iqualfragile |
which is fast |
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iqualfragile |
and has a propper sandbox |
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VanessaE |
I doubt we'll be adding python or any other language for modding any time soon. |
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iqualfragile |
i don't think that would be too much work, actually |
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iqualfragile |
but yah, most likely |
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iqualfragile |
it would be more work to make some object oriented python interface |
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iqualfragile |
but just the functional part, like it is today should be no problem |
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iqualfragile |
i might even take a swing at that |
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thefamilygrog66 |
Howdy - I just noticed that on the forums, mods are now broken into 3 forums. Should I assume that if I'm posting a newly written mod, it should now go into the WIP forum, as opposed to the Modding General one? |
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exio4 |
iqualfragile: python is really bad anyway |
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iqualfragile |
exio4: sorry, too late for trolling |
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exio4 |
no, I really mean it |
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iqualfragile |
yeah, me too |
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iqualfragile |
good night |
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exio4 |
uh, k |
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exio4 |
it is a dynamicly typed object-oriented with weird syntax rules language |
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exio4 |
it doesn't have proper lexical scoping either, has mutability by default, well, a lot of stuff |
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exio4 |
Rust seems to do the last things properly |
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VanessaE |
thefamilygrog66: I think so |
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VanessaE |
also hi |
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thefamilygrog66 |
Hi! |
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thefamilygrog66 |
And thanks. |
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exio4 |
I wish I saw awesome type systems in mainstreams Java-like languages :( |
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exio4 |
an expressive type system would be beautiful in those locked-down languages |
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exio4 |
it doesn't get OOP right either |
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exio4 |
also, its "functional-programming" support sucks |
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exio4 |
I think I finished this nice talk with myself |
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thefamilygrog66 |
Glad you could work through those issues, man. |
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exio4 |
yeah! |
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