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00:53 grendal_prime ya
00:53 grendal_prime so basically he has found half a dozen versions of this in google play.  One of wich seems to be exactly what he wants.
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00:56 grendal_prime and he is pretty gitty
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02:30 Guest67923 hi I need some help finding a certain file in minetest/src
02:30 Guest67923 Where would I find the debug menu exposed by pressing f5 ingame?
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03:10 zat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB871SVYMhI
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03:26 Zeno` Guest67923, it's in game.cpp
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03:49 Guest67923 Thanks so much Zeno`!
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11:28 benoliver999 I'm trying to run a server on Debian. Seems to be fine but I get stuck at 'item definitions' when trying to get on it on my arch machine
11:29 benoliver999 I pulled the minetest server package from the debian repos
11:29 sfan5 which version?
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11:30 benoliver999 7.7
11:30 benoliver999 Could it be a version problem?
11:31 sfan5 there is no minetest version 7.7
11:31 benoliver999 ahem
11:31 benoliver999 That was my debian version sorry
11:31 benoliver999 How do I find out which minetest version they have?
11:32 sfan5 apt-cache show minetest
11:32 benoliver999 Ah
11:32 benoliver999 That's the issue Ithink
11:32 benoliver999 0.3
11:33 benoliver999 I was lloking at the sid repo but I'm on wheezy
11:33 benoliver999 Is there a place I can get the more up to date version? I was looking earlier but couldn't find just the server package
11:34 sfan5 benoliver999: you can compile it from source https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=3837
11:34 benoliver999 Cheers
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11:44 redstonecraftpl Hi everyone
11:48 benoliver999 .exit
11:48 benoliver999 Ha sorry
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12:02 Krock let's see if this new graphics driver is better than the one be4
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12:57 Zeno` hmmmm, if you can give me ONE example where -Wtype-limits was flagging something as a warning incorrectly then I guess I'd be happier with 565959db
12:58 Zeno` oops
13:04 jin_xi so i am still wondering about this: if you do reference count textures, how do you decide which ones to keep and which ones to delete? do you keep track of usage counts/times to determine unneeded ones?
13:05 jin_xi as in this texture has not been used in ... time/steps so lets kill it?
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13:16 Krock jin_xi, I don't get your question. Do you want to unload textures?
13:16 jin_xi yes
13:18 Krock I'm not sure if that makes sense. unloading meshes would be better
13:18 jin_xi its for temporary textures, which are needed for interactive stuff like computer displays or paintings and changing signs
13:19 exio4 would you buy http://www.corsair.com/en/hydro-series-h60-cpu-cooler + artic silver or 120GB SSD
13:19 exio4 kingston 120GB SSD *
13:19 Zeno` I have both
13:19 Krock I would buy a 64 KB Harddisk from 1980
13:19 Zeno` I'd probably got the SSD
13:20 Zeno` s/got/go
13:20 exio4 you have both?
13:20 Zeno` yep
13:20 exio4 I think I'll buy a ticket to your city instead
13:20 Zeno` what is your CPU and is it overclocked?
13:21 exio4 FX 6100, and yes, it is
13:21 exio4 4ghz right now, I had it at 4.2GHz in winter
13:21 Zeno` normal operating temps are..?
13:21 exio4 but right now, well, there are +35C outside
13:21 exio4 Zeno`, 30-35C in idle, 58-60C in full load
13:21 Zeno` I'd seriously get the SSD
13:22 Zeno` 60C full load is not "hot"
13:22 exio4 it is :P
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13:22 exio4 my CPU shutdowns at 65C iirc
13:23 sfan5 lol
13:23 exio4 well, not the cpu
13:23 Zeno` ok, my i7-4770k (not overclocked) with the h60 cooler is 30-35 idle
13:23 sfan5 my cpu can get as got as 90C when full load
13:23 exio4 you have intel CPUs
13:23 Zeno` maybe 45 under load
13:23 exio4 the last gens are known to get insanely hot
13:23 Zeno` thermal threshold is 100C
13:24 exio4 really Zeno`?
13:24 Zeno` yes
13:24 exio4 sounds pretty cool, 45C under load for an i7 is <40C for me :D
13:25 * Zeno` checks current temps
13:25 exio4 http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUDetail.aspx?id=772&amp;f1=&amp;f2=&amp;f3=&amp;f4=&amp;f5=&amp;f6=&amp;f7=&amp;f8=&amp;f9=&amp;f10=&amp;f11=&amp;f12=
13:25 exio4 was wrong, 70C, not 60C
13:25 exio4 er, 65C
13:25 Zeno` lol, current temp is about 58C
13:26 Zeno` (cpu load 100$ for the last 5 hours or more)
13:26 Krock exio4, no wonder. CPUs will get hotter and hotter if there's no better material to fabricate those.
13:26 Krock electrons eaily jump from one conductor to another
13:26 exio4 Krock, the thing is that we want smaller cpus, that perform better, and what not
13:27 Zeno` SSD is the better upgrade IMO
13:27 exio4 are they worth it? they don't seem like to tbh
13:27 Zeno` I used to think the same
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13:27 Zeno` until I got oen
13:27 Zeno` one*
13:28 exio4 k, I decided then, will order the H60 in a week, then I'll order the SSD in a month
13:28 exio4 are the guys from ISIS still accepting kidneys as payments for credits?
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13:31 Jordach Zeno`, ~35C here
13:31 exio4 H60 too?
13:31 Jordach exio4, stock cooling
13:32 exio4 what are your room temps?
13:32 Jordach 8C
13:32 Zeno` get the SSD first! (seriously)
13:32 jin_xi or ac
13:32 exio4 Jordach, 8C room temp doesn't compare well with 35C room temp, ya know :D
13:32 Jordach exio4, external temparature is 3C
13:33 Jordach ala outside
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13:33 exio4 outside we've got like 35C too!
13:33 exio4 \o/
13:34 exio4 we'll get a nice rain in a few hours, if everything goes well..
13:34 Jordach >GPU Temparature 18C
13:34 Jordach u fookin wat m8
13:34 exio4 mine's at 46C
13:34 exio4 idle load, using nouveau
13:35 Jordach mine's idle, using 344.75 Driver
13:36 exio4 I had 200MHz more in winter, and temps were lower than the ones I have right now
13:36 exio4 (what I get by using stock cooling ^)
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13:38 Jordach exio4, if the temps outside were negative (~-5c) i'd be under 10C
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13:41 exio4 tech is expensive ;_;
13:41 exio4 I already wasted over 10k ARS in my computer, and I don't have anything high-end grr
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14:30 Zeno` what do outside temps have to do with anything?
14:30 jin_xi more butterflies flipping your bits when temps rise
14:31 Zeno` I think ambient (in the room where the computer is) are relevant, but outside temps?
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14:32 Zeno` Happy Birthday, hmmmm
14:32 exio4 Zeno`, yeah, ambient/room temps are the ones that matter :P
14:34 shadowzone happy day-i-was-born-day, hmmmm
14:34 hmmmm my birthday is in august
14:34 shadowzone <Zeno`> Happy Birthday, hmmmm
14:35 shadowzone thanks for throwing meh off, Zeno`.
14:35 shadowzone but happy very belated birthday.
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15:11 Jordach uhoh
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15:15 Calinou Jordach, Borderlands 4: https://lut.im/fjgDxhIq/k83xqcru
15:15 Jordach https://i.imgur.com/ovShd6G.png mmm dat cobbled
15:16 Calinou looks blurry
15:17 Jordach <- can't draw cobble but can draw wood planks
15:20 * Jordach finds Esteban's cobble texture
15:26 Jordach here's Esteban's texture by comparison https://i.imgur.com/oq8tokl.png
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15:29 hmmmm i don't have access to http://minetest.net
15:30 hmmmm a login
15:30 shadowzone what for?
15:30 shadowzone oh..
15:32 Jordach hmmmm, what do you need changing
15:32 hmmmm the links on the download page
15:32 shadowzone releasing 0.4.11 I think
15:32 Jordach to 0.4.11, no?
15:32 hmmmm yes
15:33 Jordach links please
15:34 Jordach oh, there aren't any builds
15:36 hmmmm http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog#0.4.10_.E2.86.92_0.4.11        https://github.com/minetest/minetest/releases/download/0.4.11/minetest-0.4.11-win32-mingw.zip        https://github.com/minetest/minetest/releases/download/0.4.11/minetest-0.4.11-win64-mingw.zip
15:36 hmmmm there's no android build or MSVC builds (yet)
15:36 hmmmm the key people are missing in action
15:36 hmmmm i'm going to start doing all the builds myself...
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15:37 hmmmm we'll update the release on github as we get those versions
15:37 hmmmm i think we can use Krock's 32 bit MSVC build - need to talk to him
15:37 Krock .. it doesn't have leveldb, thus, it's incomplete
15:38 hmmmm :/
15:39 shadowzone I got the dirty build
15:40 Krock but you can point on that release if you want - it contains an ugly "-dev_" in the title and doesn't contain MTG... :/
15:40 hmmmm ehh =/
15:40 hmmmm what's MTG?
15:41 shadowzone Minetest_Game, I think.
15:41 Krock ^
15:41 hmmmm oh
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15:41 hmmmm sorta thought you meant magic the gathering or something
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15:42 Jordach removed the mentions of MSVC until we get those builds
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15:49 hmmmm https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&amp;t=10835
15:50 shadowzone I already pulled that
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15:52 shadowzone WHOOHOO!
15:52 shadowzone - Don't expect it to work as well as a finished game will.
15:52 shadowzone - Please report any bugs. When doing that, debug.txt is useful.
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16:00 Johnsen2 Shadowzone, you tricker
16:01 Johnsen2 You tricked me!
16:01 shadowzone Johnsen2: wrong channel
16:01 shadowzone ?
16:01 * Jordach purrs at Calinou
16:03 MinetestBot [git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Uncomment version patch field 3ea5ed4 http://git.io/HraPGQ (2014-12-26T11:02:26-05:00)
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16:12 Krock I ninja'd the official minetest release... released it 1 day too early :3
16:12 Krock kinda funny
16:13 Krock Oh well.. Fess did it too
16:13 exio4 http://i.imgur.com/N8uTzsd.png a nice plot
16:14 exio4 magenta is when my network fkd up, red is max latency, green is low latency, three hours period
16:14 Krock long uptime.
16:16 exio4 uh, totally
16:16 exio4 what uptime
16:16 sfan5 exio4: r u having fun with ur network?
16:17 exio4 much fun me having
16:18 * kaeza hugs exio4
16:18 * kaeza meows at sfan5
16:18 * exio4 hugs kaeza back
16:19 * [ElectronLibre] likes the way his 0.4.11 client shows Minetest 0.4.10-**-dirty in the top right corner.
16:20 * Krock tells [ElectronLibre] to delete version.obj in the compiling folder
16:20 [ElectronLibre] I didn't compile it, I downloaded it.
16:20 Krock ah
16:21 [ElectronLibre] MinGW binaries are released, there is a problem with MSVC apparently :/
16:22 Krock still possible to use those from the Builds forum - there's just no official release - yet
16:23 [ElectronLibre] Yes, but to be honest, I compiled my own minetest 5 hours ago, and it works, so I'm fine. (and when MSVC will agree to work fine I will download the official release)
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16:23 someguy_irc foxy.
16:23 someguy_irc lel
16:28 Johnsen2 Someguy
16:28 Johnsen2 Hey someguy i got an question
16:29 kaeza "don't ask to ask, just ask"
16:30 VanessaE ElectronLibre: where did you download that 0.4.11 build from?
16:30 jin_xi ugh. chillax
16:31 ElectronLibre Here VanessaE => minetest.net/download :/
16:34 shadowzone I just git pulled and compiled
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16:36 Johnsen2 ~Shadowzone.
16:36 Johnsen2 Shadowzone. you don't even know a admins job :/
16:36 Johnsen2 kaeza, XD
16:36 Johnsen2 Brb
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17:07 * Calinou reached 500 games on Lichess
17:07 jin_xi whats your win ratio?
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17:13 Calinou 296 won (of 506): 58,5 %
17:13 Calinou 191 losses, 19 draws
17:13 jin_xi nice
17:14 exio4 what
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17:34 Calinou lut.im can actually do hotlinking :o
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17:47 harrison Salvinorin A decreases mortality and improves neurological outcome in a neonatal mouse hypoxia model
17:48 exio4 uh what
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17:53 Wayward_One o.o
17:54 harrison http://itranspopmed.org/?p=443 is what
17:55 harrison tl;dr =n ,09SALVIA SAVES BABY MICE
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18:27 redstonecraftpl hi
18:30 * Calinou increased his view range to 120
18:31 * sfan5 does not care
18:31 Calinou this is possible thanks to zeno :p
18:31 * mitrom cares a lot
18:33 exio4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMK0prafzw0
18:42 Jordach time to update
18:42 Jordach pff
18:42 Jordach sfan5, new build pls
18:46 * Jordach rebuilds the server
19:02 * Krock gives Jordach a screwdriver
19:10 sfan5 Jordach: the official 64bit build is by me
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19:13 AgentFire What is the minetest app for android?
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19:17 Calinou AgentFire, it is on minetest.net/download
19:18 acerspyro export CXXFLAGS=-O0
19:18 acerspyro Is that how you disable optimization?
19:19 VanessaE the minetest apk is not up-to-date yet
19:19 VanessaE it's still 0.4.10
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19:20 acerspyro VanessaE, o/
19:20 acerspyro I got crashes.
19:21 VanessaE sorry to hear
19:21 Jordach ^_^
19:21 VanessaE I presume you've updated to 0.4.11 already?
19:21 acerspyro yes
19:21 acerspyro I got the .zip from the repo
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19:21 acerspyro And I've been trying to debug it
19:22 VanessaE hrm
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19:22 acerspyro But now, my grandfather wants me to help him outside.
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19:31 AgentFire Calinou: Does the link take me to the google play store?
19:31 Calinou no
19:31 Calinou it is just an .aplk
19:31 Calinou .apk*
19:33 AgentFire Calinou: So the Google Play store does not have Minetest?
19:33 exio4 \o/
19:33 Calinou not the official on
19:33 Calinou +e
19:33 Calinou it costs money and time to put it there
19:34 AgentFire Alright, I suppose that makes sense. But downloading the APK won't damage my tablet, right?
19:35 Calinou no
19:35 Calinou you need to enable Unknown sources
19:36 Calinou else the APK will not install :P
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20:22 * ElectronLibre has just realized that the debug line showed by pressing F5 now shows the itemstring of the node you're pointing at, and the texture image of the face you're poiting *-*
20:23 exio4 hi ElectronLibre
20:24 ElectronLibre Hello exio4.
20:25 ElectronLibre Little problem: It shows the TOP texture(s) of the node you're poiting at. I should see if I can modify that..
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21:00 Megaf Hi
21:26 sfan5 Jordach: https://sfan5.pf-control.de/minetest-builds/minetest_64/minetest-0.4.11-win64.7z
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21:42 redstonecraftpl Any new version?
21:42 redstonecraftpl ok, i see
21:43 redstonecraftpl VanessaE server still support 0.4.11?
21:47 VanessaE of course
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21:47 VanessaE 0.4.11 is the newest version
21:47 VanessaE just released today so yeah
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21:58 redstonecraftpl bye
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21:58 Tg1 Does anyone know when the New Stable version will be in the Ubuntu Software Center?
21:59 sfan5 that usually takes some time
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22:03 Tg1 ah okey
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22:38 hmmmm well
22:38 hmmmm it was released on the 24th, just announced today
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23:04 acerspyro I can't get rid of those <optimized out> thingies in the debug trace
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23:08 acerspyro I know I need to use -O0, but I'm somehow doing it wrong.
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23:11 luizrpgluiz hi
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23:27 acerspyro sfan5, can you help? I'm desperate.
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23:38 acerspyro ARGH!
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23:40 acerspyro Should I go in #minetest-dev to debug?
23:41 mitrom No
23:42 Jordach you want a +q? that's how you get them
23:42 acerspyro +q?
23:42 Jordach quieting
23:42 n4x quiet
23:42 acerspyro ah
23:42 n4x basically force you to shut up said in a nice way
23:43 acerspyro So, um, wat do?
23:44 Jordach live with it (most developers in there have the Arch Linux way of living, RTFM or GTFO)
23:45 acerspyro Jordach, oh, I didn't find the wiki section about debugging
23:45 acerspyro Or I have, and it wasn't helping.
23:45 acerspyro link?
23:47 Jordach there isn't
23:47 Jordach the lazy devs over in -dev can't usually bother by creating useful information
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23:56 Jordach wow the developer of aseprite is a backstabbin little twat
23:57 shadowzone How?
23:58 Jordach $10 for GPL software without providing the software for free
23:59 Jordach older versions did not have this restriction
23:59 shadowzone weird

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