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| 00:00 |
est31 |
Sokomine, you online? |
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Soni |
does minetest work on BSD? |
| 00:11 |
est31 |
I think so |
| 00:11 |
Soni |
ok |
| 00:11 |
Soni |
osx is BSD right? |
| 00:14 |
VanessaE |
it is BSD-based |
| 00:14 |
VanessaE |
but it isn't "BSD" as such |
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Soni |
ok |
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Soni |
shove LuaJIT and Lua 5.3 into the same minetest |
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VanessaE |
just about as much as Android is Linux-based (kernel) but it isn't Linux, as such |
| 00:15 |
est31 |
?? |
| 00:15 |
est31 |
It is linux |
| 00:15 |
est31 |
but it isnt Gnu/Linux |
| 00:15 |
Soni |
(I mean, I can do it, why can't you?) |
| 00:15 |
VanessaE |
Minetest uses lua 5.1 and luajit is not quite 5.2 anyway |
| 00:15 |
est31 |
or Gnu+Linux as RMS calls it now |
| 00:15 |
Soni |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1277#issuecomment-76859912 |
| 00:15 |
VanessaE |
est31: well, not really. I mean, it violates just about every convention of Linux there is :P |
| 00:15 |
est31 |
VanessaE, why |
| 00:15 |
Soni |
VanessaE, the idea is to add a "lua-version" tag to stuff |
| 00:16 |
Soni |
that'd be used to select LuaJIT vs Lua 5.3 |
| 00:16 |
VanessaE |
est31: directory tree layouts, no shell by default, no multiuser (in the usual sense)... |
| 00:17 |
VanessaE |
Soni: as a general rule, we don't want something that will fragment the modding community |
| 00:17 |
VanessaE |
it has to be all one version-equivalent |
| 00:18 |
VanessaE |
an upgrade to 5.2 is probably doable as long as there are suitable shims to handle stuff luajit doesn't know about |
| 00:18 |
crazyR |
has anyone used the avgcolor.py script for the C++ mapper?? |
| 00:18 |
est31 |
android isn't the only distro thats not doing traditional directory tree. no shell is because you dont have a keyboard for touch devices. Android is multiuser. Its just disabled for phones. |
| 00:18 |
VanessaE |
crazyR: I tried it once. I don't recall it being particularly hard to use but I don't remember how to use it now |
| 00:18 |
Soni |
VanessaE, ok so like |
| 00:18 |
VanessaE |
est31: disabled on tablets too |
| 00:18 |
Soni |
why don't you just shove the 2 together somehow? |
| 00:18 |
VanessaE |
at least on older Android versions it was |
| 00:19 |
est31 |
yes |
| 00:19 |
VanessaE |
Soni: you can't just "shove" them together. |
| 00:19 |
est31 |
VanessaE, newest android has multiuser |
| 00:19 |
Soni |
VanessaE, it's called dlmopen |
| 00:19 |
Soni |
might be a pain to sync stuff between them but w/e |
| 00:19 |
crazyR |
VanessaE:ive got it running, but the only thing it keep printing out to shell is warning: cant find average color. seems to be taking along time too lol |
| 00:19 |
crazyR |
just wanting to find out if thats normal |
| 00:20 |
VanessaE |
crazyR: I'd say that's not normal ;) |
| 00:20 |
est31 |
VanessaE, introduced by 4.2 |
| 00:20 |
VanessaE |
but I may be wrong |
| 00:20 |
crazyR |
lol cheers |
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VanessaE |
est31: right, but the linux kernel is multiuser already, has been since...forever |
| 00:20 |
VanessaE |
another convention that android broke for no good reason |
| 00:20 |
est31 |
also android always did multiuser |
| 00:21 |
est31 |
it used multiuser for sandboxing |
| 00:21 |
VanessaE |
in any case, it's linux-based, but it's not Linux. :) |
| 00:21 |
est31 |
every app its own multiuser |
| 00:21 |
est31 |
user* |
| 00:21 |
VanessaE |
it's close enough I guess, but it ain't no Debian :) |
| 00:22 |
est31 |
that principle always existed on servers, and it was quite bad to break it on traditional gnu/linux desktop |
| 00:23 |
est31 |
or perhaps servers didnt have it always, but giving services on a server their own user is best practice now |
| 00:23 |
est31 |
and giving applications their own user is becoming practice too |
| 00:24 |
est31 |
per-application sandboxing just isn't possible with X11 |
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* est31 |
looks forward for wayland |
| 00:25 |
est31 |
but yes VanessaE its no Debian :). But Debian is also a bit more than just the kernel |
| 00:29 |
Chanku |
Hey |
| 00:31 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 00:46 |
Chanku |
Um...how do I install the latest version of minetest on debian? |
| 00:46 |
est31 |
VanessaE, you know whether Sokomine maintains their mods? |
| 00:46 |
est31 |
at least the markers mod |
| 00:46 |
est31 |
because you have an open PR, from Nov 30 |
| 00:47 |
VanessaE |
yes, she does |
| 00:47 |
VanessaE |
but she has to be poked from time to time also |
| 00:47 |
est31 |
don't like too verbose logging |
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est31 |
every time sb opens a marker formspec (or admin stone), an entry in the log is generated. 3 lines |
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est31 |
and it isn't even informative of any kind |
| 00:48 |
est31 |
its just some debug stuff. |
| 00:48 |
VanessaE |
it was probably just exactly that |
| 00:49 |
VanessaE |
debug stuff that was never removed |
| 00:49 |
est31 |
either it should be removed or made optional with default off |
| 00:51 |
VanessaE |
I'd say remove it entirely (only a change in ownership need be logged) |
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est31 |
VanessaE, could you update the areas mod on your servers? |
| 01:46 |
VanessaE |
sure |
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est31 |
great, patch from me landed there yesterday, and as it didn't autoupdate, I asked :) |
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VanessaE |
ok, it's staged. |
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Chanku |
Hey |
| 02:34 |
_schism_ |
question. other than the wiki is there an idiots guide to minetest? |
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Chanku |
How can I install the latest minetest package (which would be 0.4.10) on debian? |
| 02:42 |
est31 |
Chanku, latest minetest package is 0.4.12 |
| 02:43 |
Chanku |
Ik |
| 02:43 |
est31 |
or, better, latest minetest is 0.4.12, and latest package is 0.4.11, sadly |
| 02:44 |
Chanku |
However The latest version I can find on Debian, is 0.4.10 |
| 02:44 |
est31 |
yes because debian is in a freeze currently, and their packagers are a bit slow. |
| 02:44 |
est31 |
they are informed though |
| 02:44 |
est31 |
and experimental also has a 0.4.11 package I think |
| 02:45 |
Chanku |
Ah |
| 02:45 |
Chanku |
I was looking at sid. |
| 02:45 |
est31 |
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=778853 |
| 02:47 |
Chanku |
So how would I get the package from experimental? |
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luizrpgluiz |
hi all |
| 02:49 |
est31 |
Chanku, easiest is you install the ppa |
| 02:49 |
est31 |
https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable |
| 02:50 |
Chanku |
isn't ppa for ubuntu? |
| 02:50 |
est31 |
ubuntu == debian in this case |
| 02:51 |
VanessaE |
a PPA is just the ubuntu term for someone's personal apt repo, that's all |
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VanessaE |
it's still apt and deb packages |
| 02:56 |
est31 |
and also it doesnt depend on ubuntu stuff |
| 02:56 |
est31 |
so if you install it on debian, your computer won't explode :D |
| 02:58 |
VanessaE |
usually, worst that will happen is that apt will warn you when a package (whether it's minetest or some other PPA/apt repo) can't be installed due to unsatisfied dependencies. |
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Sokomine |
est31: yes? what's up? |
| 04:00 |
est31 |
Sokomine, see my issue for your markers mod on github |
| 04:01 |
est31 |
Sokomine, see now, sorry haven't created ut |
| 04:01 |
est31 |
it* |
| 04:01 |
Sokomine |
hmm. exiting formspecs? |
| 04:01 |
Sokomine |
perhaps an issue with the global variable handling? |
| 04:01 |
est31 |
dunno |
| 04:02 |
est31 |
but doesnt appear with other mods |
| 04:02 |
est31 |
only yours |
| 04:03 |
est31 |
whats printed is like { |
| 04:03 |
est31 |
quit = "true" |
| 04:03 |
est31 |
} |
| 04:03 |
Sokomine |
ah |
| 04:05 |
Sokomine |
any more information? something right before/after that? |
| 04:08 |
est31 |
Sokomine, no nothing |
| 04:08 |
est31 |
but, there is other output too |
| 04:08 |
est31 |
e.g. when you press ok buttons the output is like { |
| 04:08 |
est31 |
quit = "true", |
| 04:08 |
est31 |
abort = "OK" |
| 04:08 |
est31 |
} |
| 04:09 |
est31 |
pressing esc only has the quit line |
| 04:09 |
est31 |
and when you exit a marker it also has a info = "This marker\ |
| 04:09 |
est31 |
can only be used by\ |
| 04:09 |
est31 |
aliwer9696, who\ |
| 04:09 |
est31 |
placed the markers.", |
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est31 was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com. |
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Sokomine |
ok. i'm checking |
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Sokomine |
est31: are you running on a higher debug log level? |
| 04:35 |
Sokomine |
est31: i can't reproduce it locally |
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est31 |
there are log levels? |
| 04:40 |
est31 |
it doesnt have any log level at all btw |
| 04:40 |
est31 |
its just bare print() - style |
| 04:42 |
Sokomine |
there are log levels, yes. hmm |
| 04:42 |
Sokomine |
are you sure you do have the most current version? |
| 04:42 |
Sokomine |
i'll need to fix something there anyway and will upload a new version soon (wiithin the hour) |
| 04:42 |
est31 |
there is no ACTION[ServerThread]: before |
| 04:42 |
est31 |
you should look at your PR's too |
| 04:43 |
est31 |
Sokomine, I'm running version of Tue Jan 28 00:56:15 2014 |
| 04:43 |
est31 |
commit 2c9fe6cb869b1d7e753e734717b44b9efb4dce84 |
| 04:50 |
Sokomine |
of markers or of mt? |
| 04:50 |
est31 |
markers are latest version, mt is at 0.4.12 |
| 04:50 |
est31 |
areas are current HEAD too |
| 04:56 |
est31 |
ok, thats weird, I can't reproduce it in my local build too |
| 05:02 |
est31 |
wow |
| 05:02 |
est31 |
its not your mod, its the currency mod causing this |
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* est31 |
summons VanessaE |
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est31 |
Still Sokomine could you consider to review the pull requests? |
| 05:03 |
Sokomine |
strange |
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est31 |
VanessaE, see my pull to your currency repo |
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est31 |
https://github.com/VanessaE/currency/pull/2 |
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fireglow |
hi est31, hi Sokomine :) |
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est31 |
hi fireglow |
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stormchaser3000 |
i just found a german ad on the general discussion section |
| 07:29 |
stormchaser3000 |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11378 |
| 07:30 |
stormchaser3000 |
for shoes |
| 07:32 |
stormchaser3000 |
and here is some more spam |
| 07:32 |
stormchaser3000 |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11376 |
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stormchaser3000 |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11377 |
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stormchaser3000 |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11375 |
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stormchaser3000 |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1137 |
| 07:38 |
Menche |
oh my, spams |
| 07:39 |
* Menche |
wonders if stormchaser3000 still has something against #voxelands |
| 07:39 |
est31 |
stormchaser3000, you might have copied a wrong url for the last topic |
| 07:39 |
stormchaser3000 |
yeah oops |
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stormchaser3000 |
Menche: i would assume so. |
| 07:41 |
Menche |
wut? |
| 07:42 |
stormchaser3000 |
well voxelands is a lot harder to customize than minetest |
| 07:43 |
stormchaser3000 |
or freeminer |
| 07:43 |
stormchaser3000 |
at least sometimes |
| 07:44 |
* stormchaser3000 |
looks at the latest voxelands source code |
| 07:44 |
Menche |
can always make suggestions, we're just trying to be a game rather than a be-anything engine :) |
| 07:45 |
est31 |
if it is easier to customize, then the main reason for the fork is gone |
| 07:45 |
Menche |
? |
| 07:45 |
est31 |
Menche, http://voxelands.com/about.html |
| 07:46 |
est31 |
especially the text around the c55 quote |
| 07:46 |
Menche |
I see nothing about ease of customization being a focus |
| 07:47 |
est31 |
its quite the opposite |
| 07:47 |
Menche |
ok... |
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est31 |
the fact that minetest became moddable was the main reason because they forked off |
| 07:48 |
est31 |
dunno why |
| 07:48 |
Menche |
not really |
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stormchaser3000 |
est31: the minetest mossing api is complete crpa |
| 07:48 |
stormchaser3000 |
modding* |
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stormchaser3000 |
and changes a lot |
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stormchaser3000 |
and the engine code is messy as crap |
| 07:49 |
Menche |
it was forked because the leader (darkrose) didn't like how *everything* had become part of modding |
| 07:49 |
Menche |
mainly |
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est31 |
so, thats exactly what I said |
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Menche |
no, it isn't |
| 07:50 |
Menche |
she's okay with moddability; she just doesn't want to kick out all of the game content |
| 07:50 |
Menche |
voxelands is it's own game, first and foremost. darkrose is not particularly against adding the capability to extend that game. |
| 07:51 |
est31 |
its not kicked out its abstracted, to enable freedom |
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est31 |
ah thats where darkrose disappeared |
| 07:53 |
est31 |
wondered why she is listed as minetest contributor |
| 07:53 |
Menche |
the two projects have different focuses. minetest focuses on being an engine on which any game can be built; voxelands focuses on being a game. |
| 07:54 |
Menche |
there's still plenty of her code in minetest. I believe much of the basic formspec and nodebox work is hers. |
| 07:55 |
est31 |
dont saying she shouldnt be listed |
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* stormchaser3000 |
decides to try to lear c++ |
| 07:58 |
stormchaser3000 |
learn* |
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est31 |
hi alket |
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alket |
hi est31 |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all; happy "What If Cats and Dogs Had Opposable Thumbs?" Day! :-D |
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Salbei |
Hi |
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Salbei |
VanessaE: I have an other error on pipeworks :) |
| 12:04 |
Salbei |
http://pastebin.com/2d79Kbiq |
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Salbei |
I use Protector Redo on my server. Maybe it make conflicts? |
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crazyR |
the mapper keeps throwing this error: "Exception: Failed to open Database: IO error: world/map.db/LOCK: No such file or directory" even when minetest is stopped and nothing has the db open... what could cause a leveldb database to remain locked even when not in use |
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mazal |
Is there a way to let flowers multiplay ? |
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mazal |
multiply even |
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luizrpgluiz |
hi all |
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alket |
hi |
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Azhbark |
hello guys :) |
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Azhbark |
i am new to minetest and have played around for some time :) but i have not seen any animals in the game.. is that right no animal in the game ? |
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mobiker |
Azhbark: It depends on which server you are connected. is a proper or shared server ? |
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Azhbark |
mobiker> it is in singleplayer |
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ElectronLibre |
With default minetest_game, there are no mobs, so no animals. |
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mobiker |
Azhbark: I believe that you will need to install a mod that has animals available |
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mobiker |
Azhbark: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=629 |
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Azhbark |
yea i saw all the Mods and subgames, but did not know what to install |
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mobiker |
Azhbark: This may help you |
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mobiker |
Azhbark: http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Installing_mods |
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Azhbark |
Thanks for the help ElectronLibre and mobiker... i will go do somw reading... thanks guys :) |
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Azhbark |
some* |
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luizrpgluiz |
static_spawnpoint no longer works |
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cd100 |
what is static_spawnpoint? |
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luizrpgluiz |
If this is set, players will always (re)spawn at the given position |
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cd100 |
thx |
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luizrpgluiz |
minetest.conf |
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[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Send Player HP when setHP (or a setHP caller) is called instead of looping and testing the state change. 64ff966 http://git.io/xoz8 (2015-03-03T16:06:04+01:00) |
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[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Send Breath packet on event, don't check it at each AsyncRunStep 7e56637 http://git.io/xoym (2015-03-03T16:33:20+01:00) |
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codehero: hi |
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[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Remove unused m_wielded_item_not_sent 038d3a3 http://git.io/xKCu (2015-03-03T17:36:54+01:00) |
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crazyR: The world dir or the LevelDB dir doesn't exist. |
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crazyR: (or your backend is set incorrectly in world.mt) |
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btoohtpick |
What's the trick to run two minetestserver instance on same machine? |
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ElectronLibre |
Shell a : $./minetestserver --port 30000 etc... Shell b: $./minetestserver --port 30001 |
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RobbieF |
Hello |
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Krock |
hi |
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RobbieF |
Thinking about featuring Minetest on http://www.category5.tv |
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Krock |
Aah.I hate those crying zombies. |
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Krock |
that's a site like http://shafou.com/ |
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RobbieF |
what's that? I don't have flash. |
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RobbieF |
No our site is a Tech TV network. |
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RobbieF |
LOL |
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RobbieF |
#category5 on here |
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Krock |
I know. jk |
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RobbieF |
:) |
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RobbieF |
Thought I'd pop into IRC since it's hard to tell who to reach out to for media relations... is there someone in development that would do an interview?... |
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Krock |
developement? #minetest-dev |
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Krock |
Hi Calinou |
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Calinou |
Krock, hi |
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Calinou |
I saw the news about Gitorious being shut down |
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Calinou |
thankfully, folks around here are starting another free Git hosting place |
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Calinou |
(GitLab is at least partially proprietary) |
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Calinou |
I'll have to move before June 1st |
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Krock |
first mediacrush then gitorious |
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RobbieF |
Thanks Krock |
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Krock |
and then GitLab? I don't know |
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Calinou |
GitLab seems more profitable |
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Krock |
sadly, there aren't many services with a future |
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Calinou |
there is GitHub… *insert Jordach troll face here* |
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Krock |
you just could use GitHub or ... SVN? |
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Calinou |
SVN is way worse than Git, and there is no big hosting other than SourceForge (which sucks too) |
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Krock |
open your own Git server :P |
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Calinou |
costs money |
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Krock |
playing minetest costs money. depends on the price of a kWh |
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Calinou |
yeah, but my connection is too slow to self-host. |
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Calinou |
if I had optic fiber, I would self-host a lot of things, I believe. |
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Calinou |
right now, the only option is to rent a VPS |
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Calinou |
one that will also let me host game servers will cost me about 10 €/month |
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Calinou |
that's 120 € per year :( |
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Krock |
at least they don't want a 13th monthly wage |
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Calinou |
https://notabug.org/ |
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Calinou |
check out this for now |
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Krock |
that's git. |
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Krock |
looks kinda new |
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exio4 |
Calinou: you can get a kimsufi dedi (or online.net) for like half of that |
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Calinou |
Krock, it uses Gogs <http://gogs.io> |
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Calinou |
a Git service written in Go |
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exio4 |
lol Go |
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exio4 |
the joke programming language |
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marktraceur |
You say that like there's only one |
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marktraceur |
Or like Go is the best example |
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Krock |
looks like python and java mixed thogether |
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marktraceur |
But come on. Whitespace? Brainfuck? Befunge? |
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marktraceur |
Perligata? |
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marktraceur |
Actually Perligata is kind of awesome. |
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exio4 |
Krock: it's type system is even more limited Java's |
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exio4 |
"because it's simple" they said |
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marktraceur |
http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/papers/HTML/Perligata.html/ |
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whtemple1959 |
hello room |
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ElectronLibre |
Hello. |
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shadowzone |
Hello |
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whtemple1959 |
miner_48er: I have come seeking your wisdom |
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Jordach |
everyone to the shelters |
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* shadowzone |
hides under a cat |
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shadowzone |
wait.. is this sfan5? |
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Jordach |
meow |
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* ElectronLibre |
try to make his place into the shelter. |
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ElectronLibre |
No shadowzone apparently you sat on Jordach's tail. |
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shadowzone |
XD |
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* Jordach |
looks at his kitten mod |
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* ElectronLibre |
remembers he must tell Jordach that we solved the overspawning problem on MinetestForFun's server about his kittens. |
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Jordach |
ElectronLibre, ooh |
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ElectronLibre |
Now they spawn correctly :). |
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Miner_48er |
whtemple1959 what is your question? |
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ElectronLibre |
He is gone. |
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Jordach |
people these days |
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Jordach |
impatient :P |
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shadowzone |
It's so cold outside, I actually saw a gangster pull his pants up. |
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ElectronLibre |
shadowzone, so it must be very cold. |
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Jordach |
is this the ghetto? |
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Jordach |
might start seeing tumbleweaves |
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shadowzone |
Jordach: go I hope not |
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shadowzone |
*god |
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Jordach |
shadowzone, two girls enter: one weaves |
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shadowzone |
o.O |
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livethetruth |
hello all |
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