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MinetestBot |
[git] HybridDog -> minetest/minetest_game: allow overriding papyrus and cactus grow functions fe3c5a7 http://git.io/vfyHi (2015-04-27T01:09:32+01:00) |
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luizrpgluiz |
hi |
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AndroidKris |
VanessaE: tried that git bisect and didn't find anything. Doesn't seem to matter what commit I roll back to, i can't use --drawalpha. Which means it's not a bug, but something on my pc. |
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or rather, more than likely something NOT on my pc.lol. |
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jojoa1997 |
Hi |
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Wayward_Tab |
Greetings |
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est |
the issue is that the answer of this question depends on the mod used |
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est |
arrr |
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est |
this comes when you type upwards arrow + enter without looking |
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AndroidKris |
lol |
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AndroidKris |
lol |
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MinetestBot |
[git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Replace PRNG assertions with PrngException cd1d625 http://git.io/vfSae (2015-04-27T01:24:37-04:00) |
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[git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Noise: Fix PcgRandom::randNormalDist() when range contains negative numbers 415167b http://git.io/vf9e0 (2015-04-27T04:05:25-04:00) |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Tell a Story Day! :-D |
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exio4 |
well |
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exio4 |
Zeno`: ^^^ here ;P |
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Zeno` |
thanks, but probably won't be enough :D |
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Zeno` |
I'll backup the database and give it somebody |
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Zeno` |
I have no regrets... it was awesome fun :D |
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exio4 |
Zeno`: I wonder why you are paying so much for it |
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exio4 |
Zeno`: o.O that's expensive |
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Zeno` |
I dunno |
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exio4 |
(considering an ovh dedi is a few euros..) |
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Zeno` |
when the server started I had average 18 players at any time and up to 30 |
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Zeno` |
so it was needed |
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Zeno` |
not now though |
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exio4 |
but tht doesn't seem to need a dual-cpu xeon with 64gb of ram |
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Zeno` |
it was before I optimised minetest and minetestserver as well heheh |
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Zeno` |
actually I dunno what I have... |
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* Zeno` |
looks |
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Zeno` |
6 cores |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Revert the upper-case PROJECT_NAME nonsense that was part of #2402 4ea5a96 http://git.io/vfHAA (2015-04-27T16:24:49+02:00) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Revert "Only lowercase project name at compile time" 558d715 http://git.io/vfHAx (2015-04-27T16:24:49+02:00) |
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Zeno` |
model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2630L 0 @ 2.00GHz |
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sfan5 |
ಠ_ಠ|
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sfan5 |
Zeno`: you need a cpu that good for minecraft not minetest |
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Zeno` |
Mem: 2048 |
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exio4 |
that doesn't look like a deal |
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exio4 |
I think you've been scammed Zeno` |
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Zeno` |
probably :) |
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exio4 |
writing runtimes is fun |
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exio4 |
I should decide on a bytecode and then write an optimized interpreter for that one |
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Zeno` |
a bytecode... hmmm |
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exio4 |
Zeno`: tasty, isn't it? |
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Telesight |
What are the requirements for setting up a 20 perons (public) server: CPU, RAM ...? |
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Krock |
more than singlecore is useless for a single minetestserver |
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Telesight |
@Krock Those days cpu' s are mutlicore ;-) So that would be good enough? |
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Krock |
a 2x RPI for 10 prople |
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Krock |
*20 people |
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rom1504 |
how much ram does a 2x rpi have ? |
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rom1504 |
1gb ? |
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Calinou |
raspberry pi 2? |
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Calinou |
according to Wikipedia, it has 1 GB |
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Calinou |
Raspberry Pi 1 B+ has 512 MB |
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Telesight |
Ah you are talking about a Rasperry pi, I am talking about i3, * GB RAM, 120 GB SSD ;-) |
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Krock |
A minetestserver on windows with 15 players uses about 50 MB RAM and up to 40% CPU of a 2.4 GHz (@2) core |
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Krock |
Dunno about linux |
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Krock |
s/core/CPU/ |
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Telesight |
@Krock So it does not need heavy material to setup a 20 persons server |
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Krock |
I'm not @, MinetestBot is. |
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Calinou |
I had 17 players on my VPS, which has 4 vCores, 4 GB RAM, 200 GB HDD, 100 Mb/s effective bandwidth |
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Calinou |
no lag |
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Krock |
"no lag" doesn't exist. there's always lag. |
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Telesight |
Calinou: Ok that is what is in my home server |
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Calinou |
Krock, well, little lag then :P |
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exio4 |
Krock: no noticeable lag |
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Telesight |
ok,ok, minimal lag I understand ... |
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exio4 |
Telesight: you have 100Mb/s of bandwidth at home? ;_; |
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Calinou |
many people have 250 Mb/s up in France |
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Calinou |
Telesight, read and apply those settings: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1825 |
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Calinou |
they help a lot, especially active_block_range = 1 |
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Telesight |
Yes, 100 Mbps up and down ... |
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exio4 |
;_; |
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exio4 |
I have (1/100) of that |
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exio4 |
not even (1/10) |
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Telesight |
Glassfiber gives lightspeed ;-) |
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Calinou |
dozens of thousands of people have 1 Gb/s down, 250 Mb/s up in France |
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Krock |
dozens of thousands? and how many people live there in france? |
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Telesight |
Calinou: THanks I will read it. Does it take a whole study to run a server, or is it well doable? |
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Calinou |
it's doable but here are a few recommendations: |
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Calinou |
1. don't install too many mods |
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Calinou |
2. run server as limited user (do not run it as root) |
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Calinou |
3. keep server software up to date |
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Telesight |
CAlinou: Ok but no special code knowledge ... |
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Calinou |
you don't need to know how to code to host a server |
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Calinou |
what operating system do you use? |
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Telesight |
It will be Ubuntu server ... |
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Calinou |
how do you plan to admin it? physical access, SSH, ? |
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Telesight |
Calinou: I build it with my bare hands ;-) |
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xenkey |
er |
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Telesight |
So the access is no problem ... |
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Calinou |
well, all you need is build and run minetestserver |
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Calinou |
edit the minetest.conf first appropriately |
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Calinou |
be sure to forward port 30000 in UDP |
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xenkey |
I'm writing a new blog post. I'm thinking about making a tutorial for minetest. Any suggestions? |
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Calinou |
my blog has no real posts yet :D |
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Calinou |
also thinking about Minetest tutorial (performance optimization), but might as well post it on wiki |
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MinetestBot |
[git] mich1 -> minetest/minetest: Add Russian comment translation to minetest.desktop 9179081 http://git.io/vfQQQ (2015-04-27T18:14:58+02:00) |
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xenkey |
I was thinking about the wiki |
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xenkey |
I'm going to cluster minetest |
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xenkey |
Somehow |
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xenkey |
Bu separating the parts onto as many servers as possible |
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xenkey |
That's Minetest, Redis, cURL media |
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Calinou |
my server still uses SQLite :P |
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Calinou |
no cURL either |
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xenkey |
Hm |
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xenkey |
I'm gonna read the wiki and see what's new |
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xenkey |
At the risk of sounding like a kid, does anyone want to start a server with me? |
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Telesight |
xenkey: on what do you want ot build that server? Bare metal, VPS..... |
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xenkey |
I still have 10 bare metal clusters so I'll experiment distributing minetest |
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Telesight |
In your home? .... |
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xenkey |
No! |
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xenkey |
I bought them |
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xenkey |
http://a.uguu.se/cgobbh_tmp.uycIDOq3wB.png |
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Telesight |
I already thought you are a little strange ;-) |
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xenkey |
These are dev only servers |
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xenkey |
I have three main servers |
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xenkey |
Two Debian and one FreeBSD |
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Krock |
are you crazy, xenkey? |
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xenkey |
Very. |
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xenkey |
They're free |
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Telesight |
Your whole income goes to PVS' s ... |
| 16:40 |
xenkey |
They're free... |
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xenkey |
All of them |
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Krock |
*VPS |
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Krock |
xenkey, but the power costs... |
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xenkey |
Personal Virtual Server works |
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Telesight |
Sorry PVS ... |
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xenkey |
lol |
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xenkey |
Private even |
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Telesight |
1kWatt/h |
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xenkey |
They ain't billing me that |
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xenkey |
Perhaps 10 was a bit crazy |
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Telesight |
xenkey: Are you planning to build a server? |
| 16:44 |
xenkey |
Yes |
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Telesight |
hmmm, let me think ... |
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Telesight |
I do have plans too, but have not setup the hardware and more important the security .... |
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Telesight |
That is the disadvante of a homeserver ... |
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Telesight |
disadvantage |
| 16:47 |
Krock |
set up a FTP server on our machine, portforward it and give R/W access to public |
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Krock |
that's security, yeah. |
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xenkey |
That's smart krock |
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xenkey |
I think I'll do that |
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Telesight |
What is "our"? |
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Krock |
What a wonderful world. |
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xenkey |
^ |
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Krock |
Telesight, that's a word and is pssesion word for the personal form "we" |
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xenkey |
rekt |
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xenkey |
anyway |
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xenkey |
i'd better get on it |
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Telesight |
Krock, I meant which machine? |
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xenkey |
your machine |
| 16:49 |
xenkey |
he clearly meant your |
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Krock |
the 'y' was missing |
| 16:49 |
xenkey |
an arbitrary machine |
| 16:49 |
Krock |
blame keyboard |
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Telesight |
Ah,ok typo ... |
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xenkey |
Anyone want to watch me set it up? |
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xenkey |
I'll broadcast a show :) |
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Telesight |
But my homeserver is on my lan ... |
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xenkey |
Would never have thought that |
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xenkey |
I'd use two routers |
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xenkey |
I terminated 7 servers... |
| 16:52 |
Telesight |
My server is at the moment not exposed to the internet, but if i will setup a mintestserver I have to but only with enough security |
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Telesight |
I think I will setup a subnetwork ... |
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xenkey |
I've put the redis server and minetest server on different nodes |
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xenkey |
anything else i can separate? |
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xenkey |
I have one more place to fill |
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sofar |
backups? |
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xenkey |
so much effort to do backups like that |
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proller |
one server per player |
| 17:26 |
xenkey |
wow |
| 17:26 |
xenkey |
10 player max.... |
| 17:26 |
xenkey |
How would that work |
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xenkey |
I bet I could write a mod to synchronize the players |
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Telesight |
Xenkey: What server os do you use? |
| 17:26 |
xenkey |
If minetest wasn't modded in lua, I probably could :P |
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xenkey |
Telesight: They're all Debian 7 although I ran a server on an Arch Linux server before |
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xenkey |
I'd use FreeBSD but my host doesn't offer it |
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xenkey |
They have a massive Coming soon (tm) sign for it though |
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Telesight |
Ah, ok |
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Telesight |
So the setup will be nearly the same as on Ubuntu server |
| 17:33 |
xenkey |
Pretty much |
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rubenwardy |
Hi all! |
| 17:38 |
xenkey |
Hi rubenwardy! |
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Calinou |
Debian 8 is out, upgrade already :P |
| 17:42 |
Krock |
Amazing idea. 1 server per player, then sync all worlds, so every player can play alone but watch the buildings of the other 9 players |
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xenkey |
Ew |
| 17:42 |
xenkey |
Krock: That'd be nice |
| 17:42 |
xenkey |
10 player max for me though :3 |
| 17:43 |
Krock |
increase it to 2 players per server if required |
| 17:43 |
xenkey |
Bit of a waste though |
| 17:43 |
xenkey |
I always use » as my shell prompt |
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xenkey |
Even in illustrations |
| 17:44 |
xenkey |
Some people use $ and #, I just assume they're smart enough to know if you run it as root or not and go the simple » way |
| 17:44 |
xenkey |
→ works too |
| 17:44 |
Calinou |
$ and # are obvious, » isn't |
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xenkey |
Exactly |
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rubenwardy |
Is the $ important then, in terms of su? |
| 17:45 |
xenkey |
It started off with me redacting half of my prompt because I didn't want people to see my username |
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xenkey |
$ is typically the normal user and # is root |
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Calinou |
pinkie-pie xenkey-pc:$ |
| 17:48 |
Calinou |
that must be it |
| 17:48 |
xenkey |
ew |
| 17:48 |
xenkey |
a dash |
| 17:49 |
Calinou |
rainbowdashxenkey-pc:$ then :3 |
| 17:49 |
xenkey |
THERE'S STILL A DASH |
| 17:49 |
xenkey |
rainbowdashxenkey-pc:$ |
| 17:49 |
Calinou |
dashiexenkeypc:$ :3 |
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xenkey |
> pc |
| 17:50 |
Calinou |
dashiexenkaymac then |
| 17:50 |
Calinou |
</troll> |
| 17:50 |
Calinou |
lol xenkay |
| 17:50 |
Calinou |
didn't do that intentionally |
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xenkey |
C:\Users\Xenpie> |
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xenkey |
http://a.uguu.se/jnkvta_tmp.0rZLB0IEdU.png |
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xenkey |
you forgot the path in all of them |
| 17:51 |
xenkey |
userhost:[path]$ |
| 17:51 |
Calinou |
screenfetch looks very nice, installing it |
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xenkey |
xengay:~$ |
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sfan5 |
>dejavu sans in a terminal |
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Calinou |
I use a custom liquid prompt |
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xenkey |
You didn't know about screenfetch?! |
| 17:52 |
Krock |
You abuse the windows logo |
| 17:52 |
xenkey |
sfan5: ... |
| 17:52 |
Calinou |
https://lut.im/KUxH0w6r/100YWjQG |
| 17:52 |
xenkey |
sfan5: That's my GTK font |
| 17:52 |
xenkey |
Calinou: Nice colour scheme |
| 17:52 |
Calinou |
I use Noto Sans as system font |
| 17:52 |
Calinou |
my personal site uses Roboto |
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xenkey |
Noto is quite nice |
| 17:52 |
Calinou |
the console font is Liberation Mono |
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sofar |
xfce4++ |
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xenkey |
I prefer PragmataPro for my terminal one |
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xenkey |
I hate desktop enviromnents |
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Calinou |
InconsolataLGC is rather nice too |
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sfan5 |
why does every have so many packages installed? |
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sfan5 |
% pacman -Q | wc -l |
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sfan5 |
1188 |
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sfan5 |
everyone* |
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sofar |
that's how Linux works... |
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Calinou |
http://openfontlibrary.org/en/font/inconsolata-lgc |
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Calinou |
sfan5, lots of dependencies for games and development |
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xenkey |
sfan5: is that how many you have? |
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sfan5 |
xenkey: yes |
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xenkey |
are you kidding |
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sofar |
a base Linux is 300pkgs minimum, more like 700-800 if you have graphical programs |
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sfan5 |
no |
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xenkey |
sfan5: http://a.uguu.se/katkcm_tmp.k4xHpSzABN.png |
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Krock |
I'm sure there's an u16 package to increase the pacman level count to 65500 |
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sfan5 |
xenkey: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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xenkey |
snap i guess :P |
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sofar |
You can't even boot Linux in less than 70 or so packages |
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sfan5 |
Calinou: arch doesn't have seperate -dev packages so.... |
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Calinou |
I wish Debian didn't either :( |
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Calinou |
it bloats the package database |
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xenkey |
It has -git ones though |
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Calinou |
I like the idea of -git packages |
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Calinou |
but Debian is strongly opposed to it |
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xenkey |
and -svn |
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xenkey |
and -hg... |
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Calinou |
and -fossil and -darcs and -perforce |
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xenkey |
-git ones are only in the AUR |
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xenkey |
lol |
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Calinou |
and -cvs!!!! |
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xenkey |
yes |
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xenkey |
can't forget cvs |
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xenkey |
minetest be installed! |
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xenkey |
tfw sfan5 is a clone of me |
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sfan5 |
ikr |
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xenkey |
Uh my redis is a bit open to the world... |
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xenkey |
Who wants to use my redis server |
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xenkey |
This is why we don't advertise domains before we are done configuring... |
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xenkey |
Oh |
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xenkey |
I can remove the external IP address |
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xenkey |
Well a whole lot of use that effort was |
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Zytum |
hi |
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Zytum |
Can anyone explain me ow create a platform moved by a lever? |
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Zytum |
pleade |
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Zytum |
please |
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est31 |
Zytum look at mesecons mod |
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xenkey |
Isn't there an option for the Redis password? |
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Zytum |
I'll take a tour |
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xenkey |
Well redis is a pain |
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xenkey |
No password support at all? |
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sofar |
better tunnel it ;) |
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xenkey |
ew |
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xenkey |
ugh |
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xenkey |
ip fuckin' tables |
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xenkey |
hate this |
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Krock |
Why not use sqlite3? |
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sofar |
that's what you get by moving the DB off your server |
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xenkey |
Krock: because the sole purpose of me starting this server is to test out redis! |
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Krock |
Okay, it must be tested somewhen. |
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Zytum |
I can't !!! |
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sofar |
if you want to test redis, does it have to be on a remote server? why not just run it on 127.0.0.1 ? |
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sofar |
saves you all the iptables mess |
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xenkey |
$ sudo pacman -S redis-server |
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xenkey |
sudo: pacman: command not found |
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xenkey |
... |
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xenkey |
sofar: That's no fun |
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Hijiri |
Zytum: can't what |
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Zytum |
create a bridge lever |
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Zytum |
I read a little, I download mod, activted in my map and I can't |
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Zytum |
but nevermind, I'll try another day |
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sofar |
try messing around with pistons and move blocks |
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sofar |
play around a bit |
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bobgreen |
Hi! How is everyone? |
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Krock |
Hi! And! Bye! |
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bobgreen |
Lol, ha! |
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xenkey |
iptables -I INPUT -p tcp -s 127.0.0.1 --dport 6379 -j ACCEPT |
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xenkey |
why do i have to do this |
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Zytum |
bye! |
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xenkey |
guys |
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xenkey |
IT WORKS! |
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xenkey |
Anybody want to test it? |
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jojoa1997 |
test what |
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xenkey |
My Redis server |
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xenkey |
Should I bring Zenith back? |
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xenkey |
I can insert the map from my home connection if I add a firewall rule :3 |
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http://a.uguu.se/yjnufl_tmp.uHCpnMhiT3.png |
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AndroidKris |
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