IRC log for #minetest, 2016-01-03

Time	Nick	Message
00:05	lemon	Emperor_Genshin, the exact opposite
00:05	lemon	it uses blocks to draw skybox
00:06	Emperor_Genshin	Ah i see
00:07	Emperor_Genshin	That's a very intriguing mod, nice job :)
00:07	lemon	thanks
00:09	MinetestBot	[git] RobertZenz -> minetest/minetest: Made it more clear that "[combine" does accept a list of files. a7c50a3 http://git.io/vutb7 (2016-01-03T01:05:04+01:00)
00:15	H-H-H	i think im being stupid but how the hell do you go down a ladder lol i can go up but not down
00:20	sofar	left shift
00:21	H-H-H	ahhhh ty
00:21	DFeniks	i think shift . or if in options some setting is checked then /use/ key . for me its e
00:27	H-H-H	left shift worked nicely ty
00:34	H-H-H	wow this village is more like a city lol
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01:06	swift110	hey guys
01:06	swift110	I am about to compile minetest
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01:09	dzho	hmb
01:14	swift110	ok just got lost
01:27	swift110	lol this was easy
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01:36	fireglow	=)
01:37	swift110	I did the one line compile lol
01:37	swift110	now to install tutorial
01:38	* swift110	spent forever on this last time
01:43	swift110	ok I dont understand how to install the tutorial
02:15	MinetestBot	[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Default: Remove normalmap textures 0472e61 http://git.io/vuqY8 (2016-01-03T02:12:22Z)
02:15	MinetestBot	[git] sofar -> minetest/minetest_game: Steel Trapdoor. e9a7782 http://git.io/vuqY4 (2016-01-03T02:11:40Z)
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02:16	kaeza	o/
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02:20	TrainWreck	hey guys
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02:21	Emperor_Genshin	Hi
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02:41	Hijiri	in the node search functions (e.g. find_nodes_in_area), how do I specify that any non-air node is fine?
02:42	Hijiri	I guess I could get all registered nodes and make a table with all their names
02:49	DFeniks	i wonder if opposite approach can be used
02:50	DFeniks	maybe search for air and if its not found do stuff
02:51	kaeza	It's probably better to just scan the whole area (via a for loop) and just ignore ai
02:51	kaeza	+r
02:51	* DFeniks	shrugs
02:54	kaeza	or you could give more info on what you are actually trying to do
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02:54	kaeza	and maybe find alternative methods
03:19	kaeza	!tell rubenwardy https://github.com/ChaosWormz/mt_terms_of_use
03:19	MinetestBot	kaeza: I'll pass that on when rubenwardy is around
03:45	Hijiri	I ended up doing something different from what I was going to do
03:46	Hijiri	I'm making an etheral jaunt spell, and I wanted a node to shunt the user to if they're in the ground or something
03:46	Hijiri	But I just made it choose a nearby air node (within 2 nodes), and otherwise kill them
03:46	Hijiri	in the ground when the materialize, I mean
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04:25	Emperor_Genshin	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13775&p=203359#p203359
04:25	Emperor_Genshin	Thinking about adding extra features.
04:26	Hijiri	Is it possible to change a player's punch damage
04:26	Emperor_Genshin	hmm, i believe so
04:27	Emperor_Genshin	but you may have to alter the default code
04:27	Hijiri	hmm
04:27	Hijiri	maybe I will try to see if I can hack it in without modifying default
04:27	Emperor_Genshin	that is if you are planning to change a players default punch damage
04:28	Hijiri	no, just temporarily
04:28	Hijiri	oh, by default you mean when holding no tool?
04:28	Emperor_Genshin	hmm, there may be a way to do that
04:28	Hijiri	because that's what I meant
04:28	Emperor_Genshin	yes
04:29	Hijiri	oh I see
04:29	Hijiri	there is an item ":"
04:29	Hijiri	I think this is the "empty hand item"
04:29	Emperor_Genshin	yes
04:29	Hijiri	so I can just reach in and override it
04:29	Hijiri	wait
04:29	Emperor_Genshin	yes, or add additional code
04:29	Hijiri	but that would change everyone
04:29	Emperor_Genshin	yes
04:29	Hijiri	I'd like to not have to change default, if possible
04:30	Emperor_Genshin	I think there is a possibility to change damage levels without touching the default code
04:30	Emperor_Genshin	look at torches for example
04:30	Emperor_Genshin	there are 3d torch mods already released
04:31	Emperor_Genshin	they change default 2d torches to 3d
04:31	Hijiri	they register a callback through on_place_node right?
04:31	Emperor_Genshin	without having to touch the default code
04:31	Hijiri	I mean register_on_place_node
04:31	Emperor_Genshin	perhaps
04:31	Hijiri	ok, I found
04:31	Hijiri	register_on_punch_player
04:32	Hijiri	register_on_punchplayer*
04:32	Hijiri	It doesn't give the itemstack used, but I can check the puncher's wielded item
04:33	Emperor_Genshin	yes, which is what you want to look for
05:01	Hijiri	does it ever happen that a minetest.after callback never gets executed
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05:14	Emperor_Genshin	hmm, haven't bothered trying that, but yes perhaps it happens
05:15	Hijiri	maybe a better question is, can afters get delayed by tens of seconds
05:15	Hijiri	because I think that's what I'm seeing
05:15	Hijiri	and if that's happening does it mean my server is slow or something
05:19	Emperor_Genshin	maybe
05:19	Emperor_Genshin	server slowing down due to that, probably.
05:19	Emperor_Genshin	depends on the processes
05:42	Hijiri	well I was updating HUD every tick, maybe it will improve now that I made it do less
05:46	Hijiri	nope, it's happening again
05:47	Emperor_Genshin	=/
06:01	Hijiri	where is minetest.after defined?
06:04	Emperor_Genshin	Hijiri, look here, perhaps this will help http://dev.minetest.net/Main_Page
06:06	Hijiri	if you mean the wiki page for minetest.after, it doesn't say where it's defined
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06:13	Hijiri	Emperor_Genshin: ^
06:14	Emperor_Genshin	Hmm, I think you may need to talk to a core dev for more info then =/
06:17	GabeN	What if Minetest was bought out by Valve xD
06:17	GabeN	"Minetest episode 1"
06:17	* kaadmy	sighs at THE LORD GABEN
06:17	kaadmy	Minetest 0.4.12.5 ;)
06:18	Emperor_Genshin	lol
06:18	GabeN	Minetest thr...
06:18	GabeN	thr...
06:18	GabeN	four
06:18	kaadmy	or 0.4.12.999
06:19	* GabeN	attacks kaadmy with steam deals.
06:19	* kaadmy	hold up BS shield
06:19	GabeN	Bye-bye, Half life 2 episode 2.9
06:19	* GabeN	destroys it
06:20	GabeN	There we go.
06:20	GabeN	Worth the weight.
06:20	* GabeN	goes back into the heavens
06:20	kaadmy	how this this channel get taken over by LORD GABEN
06:21	GabeN	kaadmy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqZ667vQHnI
06:21	kaadmy	how many fingers do i one one hand have if cut off 2 fingers?
06:21	GabeN	uhh...
06:21	GabeN	Half life 2?
06:41	Emperor_Genshin	Dreamcast 2
06:41	Emperor_Genshin	kek
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07:12	Thomas-S	hi
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10:27	MBB	hi
10:27	everamzah	hi
10:27	MBB	can somebody help me?
10:27	VanessaE	hi
10:27	VanessaE	maybe :)
10:28	MBB	how host the forum?
10:28	MBB	who
10:28	VanessaE	c55 does I think
10:28	MBB	thanks
10:28	VanessaE	why?
10:29	MBB	i have vergotten my paswort and can't login too my email adress too
10:29	MBB	I didnt used the forum for long time
10:29	VanessaE	any forum admin and most moderators can reset your password
10:30	VanessaE	but you'll have to come up with some way to prove your identity
10:30	MBB	oh
10:31	VanessaE	and this, ladies and gentlemen, is why you should register using an email address that you access regularly.
10:31	VanessaE	:)
10:31	MBB	how
10:31	VanessaE	too late now.
10:31	VanessaE	what was your forum username?
10:32	MBB	you can ask jbb in the forum hnes my big brother and made the fachwerk mod
10:32	MBB	mbb
10:33	VanessaE	do you remember when you were last on?
10:33	MBB	hmm
10:34	MBB	november2015 probably
10:34	VanessaE	yes.
10:34	MBB	tright
10:36	VanessaE	dammit where is it...
10:40	MBB	you could visit my website (its linked on the forum) and then I cnahe something and you watch again. That coukd proof my identitiy
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10:48	JBB	hi
10:48	JBB
10:49	VanessaE	ah, found what I was looking got
10:49	VanessaE	for*
10:49	MBB	:D
10:53	VanessaE	all right, I guess that's enough info
10:53	VanessaE	/msg me your new email address please
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11:10	* giho	has managed to build mintest with gcc 5.3.0
11:10	giho	So much pain...
11:11	nrzkt	giho, no problem for me on epixel, my mt fork, what did you do ?
11:11	giho	These c++ abi changes always kill me...
11:11	giho	You have to rebuild whole tree of c++ dependencies for minetest.
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11:12	nrzkt	minetest didn't use c++ ABI changes
11:13	nrzkt	it's C++03 neither C++11 nor C++14 :)
11:13	giho	gcc did stuff on its own.
11:13	nrzkt	what error did you have ?
11:13	nrzkt	and what's your distro ?
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11:16	giho	Too many. And I don't think its MT concern, It's new gcc.
11:16	giho	gentoo ~amd64
11:17	nrzkt	no problem on Archlinux AMD 64 for me
11:17	nrzkt	did you get compilation errors ?
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11:17	giho	Yes
11:17	giho	Which is your native? Wrom what i gathered from gentoo channels it depends on arch.
11:18	giho	Ah, archlinux. You probably just use generic.
11:20	giho	Will it build on your cpu with native optimization?
11:20	giho	s/wrom/from/
11:23	nrzkt	you build with -march=native -mtume=native ?
11:24	nrzkt	i retry with it now, but i don't use that on my debug builds
11:24	giho	Its also very likely archlinux uses --with-default-libstdcxx-abi
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11:32	Samson1	Do any of you have anything to do with the (MINETEST ITALIA) server??
11:33	Samson1	If any one does then I need to have a word, I am trying not to lose my temper at the moment
11:34	VanessaE	no idea who runs it
11:35	VanessaE	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=13591
11:35	VanessaE	maybe this helps.
11:36	VanessaE	(the guy has at least three forum topics for it)
11:36	VanessaE	er, two
11:37	Samson1	Okay,
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11:38	Samson1	VanessaE, The reason why I am so angry is because I was banned for nothing
11:39	Samson1	I have already sent a complaint to Yngwie 123
11:40	Samson1	VanessaE, This is why I was banned "Access denied. Reason: Banned: Expires: the end of time, Reason: II" what does that mean?
11:41	VanessaE	it just means that the moderator who banned you didn't set an expiration date.
11:41	VanessaE	(by default, xban2 bans never expire)
11:41	VanessaE	but what the "II" means, I have no clue
11:42	Samson1	Okay
11:43	Samson1	Would you like me to tell you what I was doing before I was banned?
11:43	VanessaE	no
11:43	VanessaE	I have no connection to that server, so better you should take it up with the owner (which you did)
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12:05	CWz	Samson1, honestly if they banned you for no given reason, i'd say there is no reason to go back
12:06	CWz	they probably hired an immature abusive moderator which is very common in minetest
12:06	CWz	and minecraft as well
12:07	Samson1	Very common
12:08	Samson1	There is a channel called MrCubey, MrCubey ownes a website along with someone who was called VK222u but they have changed there name,
12:09	Samson1	CWz, Well, MrCubey seems to think "I am the server owner so I will do what I like.." and VK222u seems to think he's god I am not joking
12:10	Samson1	It's ridicules
12:10	Samson1	But if you ever want a good Moderator then consider Bron
12:16	Thomas-S	bye
12:23	VanessaE	Samson1: well you can always try out my servers
12:23	VanessaE	I have a bunch of them
12:24	Samson1	VanessaE, I know:D
12:24	Samson1	VanessaE, You have some of the best servers out there
12:24	VanessaE	thanks :)
12:24	Samson1	:)
12:24	VanessaE	I have good admins/moderators, which is a big part of it
12:26	VanessaE	(of course, having mostly good players goes without saying :) )
12:33	Samson1	Yes
12:34	Samson1	I find it so hard too find good Moderators
12:34	Samson1	I have not found any one fit for being an Admin
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14:40	MinetestBot	[git] gregorycu -> minetest/minetest: Add MinSizeRel and RelWithDebInfo to MSVCBuildDir check 09a6910 http://git.io/vuYL6 (2016-01-03T15:38:20+01:00)
14:40	MinetestBot	[git] gregorycu -> minetest/minetest: Prevent technically unsafe access with empty vector 87dcee6 http://git.io/vuYLi (2016-01-03T15:37:49+01:00)
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14:57	H-H-H	hi guys does the technic mod have its own irc chan?
14:59	Ingar	rv
15:02	bas080	H-H-H: minetest-technic
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15:03	H-H-H	ty :)
15:04	gregorycu	Do mods generally write to their own mod folder for any reason?
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15:05	adicto	gregorycu: depends. you can also write to world folder which is better if the data is world specific
15:05	gregorycu	I am working on https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3204
15:05	gregorycu	Trying to determine if mods write to that folder, or if it's unusual
15:05	gregorycu	that = their
15:09	bas080	i think it should be simpler. Basicly it should unzip or untar and after that it should work
15:10	bas080	it's also a pain for beginners to have to make sure the folder name has the same name as the mod prefix.
15:11	bas080	one of the most faq
15:18	gregorycu	And then delete the files afterwards?
15:19	gregorycu	Or keep the files and delete the zip
15:19	gregorycu	Or keep both?
15:20	Fixer	._.
15:21	gregorycu	I'd prefer not to change the filesystem
15:21	Fixer	gregorycu, could be, this needs investigation, try mg_villages (it should write smth)
15:21	gregorycu	Yeah
15:21	gregorycu	I was thinking about it
15:21	gregorycu	Writes to the filesystem by the mod could be real
15:22	gregorycu	So it actually creates a file
15:22	gregorycu	So the mod would be the virtual filesystem + actual files that have been created...
15:22	gregorycu	I don't know
15:28	rubenwardy	gregorycu, IMO they shouldn't be allowed to, but some do, so don't break compatibility
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15:33	lemon	https://neboard.me/media/files/1451827891537.ogg
15:34	kahrl	rubenwardy: arguably it's not a break of compatibility if a mod doesn't work in zip format but still works if installed as a directory, like before
15:35	rubenwardy	Yeah
15:35	rubenwardy	I know
15:35	rubenwardy	Just don't change mod security
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15:39	Thomas-S	hi
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16:02	H-H-H	anyone able to help me set up a simple technics motor frame so i can atleast figure out how they work
16:11	lemon	I can.
16:17	kaadmy	motor frames are neat
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16:17	kaadmy	i've made self-moving structures before
16:18	kaadmy	and automated tunnel diggers
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16:32	lemon	though those self-moving structures luck rotation
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16:42	lafr	salbei?
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17:11	giho	http://me0w.net/pit/1451841083
17:12	giho	I want monospace font (probably not) :(
17:12	kaadmy	eh
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17:38	AzureDiamond	I'm trying to register my nick but nicksevr just says i'm already logged in...
17:40	xenkey	Hi
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17:40	xenkey	Which mod makes torches damage the player?
17:40	AzureDiamond	hi
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18:36	exio4	is there any "library" for making minetest maps?
18:39	exio4	I need to generate the barebones of my city, and quite a lot of stuff around it
18:39	sfan5	nope
18:39	exio4	my idea was generating the basic "schema" of it, iow, river / roads, and then annotate important reference places on it in that stage
18:40	sfan5	your best bet is using WorldEdit schematics for smaller structures
18:40	exio4	sfan5, is there documentation on the map format?
18:40	sfan5	or MTS schematics for bigger structures
18:40	sfan5	and importen them then
18:40	exio4	what'd be the practical limit of mts schematics?
18:41	exio4	could I import 5000x5000x100 blocks with them?
18:41	sfan5	exio4: we have some kinda outdated mapformat.txt file somewhere but the mapformat is not easily implemented and if you actually want a working prototype i'd suggest not trying to use the map fmt directly
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18:41	sfan5	theoretically yes
18:41	sfan5	it will probably work
18:41	exio4	inb4 you'd need about 50 gb of ram, but..
18:42	exio4	sfan5: the map format isn't easily implemented -- any reason why?
18:42	rubenwardu	ooops
18:42	rubenward	damn
18:42	rubenwardy	there we are
18:42	sfan5	exio4: well uhh
18:42	exio4	sfan5: I thought it was relatively simple :p
18:42	rubenwardy	new keyboard
18:43	sfan5	there is no good documentation
18:43	exio4	sfan5: but isn't it mostly a chunk_pos -> chunk_data map?
18:44	sfan5	yes
18:45	sfan5	exio4: here, have fun https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/world_format.txt#L247
18:47	exio4	uhhh
18:47	exio4	now I see why you say that
18:51	exio4	why isnt there a simpler format sfan5
18:52	sfan5	exio4: you can use mts schematics as i said: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/1384108f8c32f309852c1d1665a613f2a3e3fcc2/src/mg_schematic.cpp#L339-L360
18:53	exio4	looks nicer
18:54	sfan5	it is
18:54	sfan5	way nicer
18:58	exio4	thanks sfa5
18:58	exio4	sfan5 *
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19:01	exio4	the last commit in my local copy of github.com/minetest/minetest
19:01	exio4	Date: Sun May 31 06:23:10 2015 +0200
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19:13	xenkey	Do i need to clear my cache if a server changes a texture in order to see the new texture?
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19:15	red-001	no
19:15	red-001	the server needs to restart
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20:14	exio4	o.O
20:14	exio4	minetest compiled faster than the last time I had compiled it
20:22	exio4	hahah, 3FPS
20:22	Fritigern	How long go was that?
20:23	exio4	Fritigern: 7 months
20:23	Thomas-S	bye
20:23	Fritigern	And how long does it usually take you to build MT?
20:23	exio4	it took less than 1m30s
20:23	exio4	last time, I remember it was around the 1m45s range
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20:25	Fritigern	That's still nothing. I frequently compile a second life viewer, and a clean compilation would take me 2 hours on a dual core with 4Gb. Takes me some 20 minutes nowadays though. :-)
20:25	exio4	I have a FX6100
20:25	exio4	not an insane beast
20:27	Fritigern	Mine is an i7 X990 @ 3.47GHz
20:28	exio4	damn
20:28	exio4	oh, dual core
20:28	Fritigern	No. 6 cores, but thanks to hyperthreading they are treated like 12
20:29	exio4	ah
20:29	Fritigern	The 2 hours of compile time was on an old PC
20:29	exio4	I should go to sleep
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20:33	exio4	what's the probability in schematics?
20:34	swift110	how do I get the tutorial in game for minetest
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20:38	sofar	exio4: 0-255, where 255 = 100%
20:39	CWz	what does this mean? "maximum step interval exceeded, lost movement details!"
20:39	sofar	swift110: it's a downloadable thing, you have to put it in /worlds/ I think
20:39	sofar	Fritigern: I have the exact same cpu
20:39	sofar	2 of them, even
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20:52	sfan5	exio4: backstory: schmeatics are used by the mapgen for placing "decorations", you can have e.g. a tree where leaves only appear with a specific probability (i think we're using smth. different for trees tho)
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20:53	swift110	sofar i folled its instructions but i still dont have it
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21:15	exio4	sfan5: I see
21:27	exio4	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/mg_schematic.h#L56 <- what does this mean?
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21:34	exio4	hm, I guess..
21:40	exio4	I checked the code
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22:17	paramat	schems have per-node force-placement, essential for trees
22:18	paramat	that's what line 56 means
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22:38	sfan5	paramat: force placement = overriding already existing nodes
22:39	sfan5	?
22:39	paramat	yes
22:39	paramat	there is also a global force-place setting for a schem
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22:58	VanessaE	exio4: regarding your map, if all you wanted was an overview image, you could fake it by using the regular minetestmapper util, with a colors.txt that only includes specific nodes in it, e.g. only the stuff that makes up your buildings, streets, etc. but excluding things like grass or trees.
22:59	VanessaE	(or stone or ores)
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23:04	exio4	VanessaE: hm? no, the idea is generating a schematic based on a map
23:04	exio4	:P
23:04	VanessaE	ohhh
23:05	VanessaE	well you mentioned annotating it etc.
23:05	VanessaE	guess I misread.
23:07	VanessaE	that said, you COULD use the mapper, generate the image, and then use one of those image-import mods to build the barebones world
23:07	VanessaE	but you'd need to do a LOT of matching up of colors -> nodes and make sure the shading/gradations are turned off in the mapper
23:08	VanessaE	but that wouldn't get you anything like what you want
23:08	VanessaE	MT schematics could handle it, but Worldedit can't save anything particularly big
23:09	exio4	image-import mods is what I need
23:09	sfan5	> make sure the shading/gradations are turned off in the mapper
23:09	sfan5	thats pretty easy
23:10	VanessaE	exio4: ok but just note that it won't have any height data, so you'll end up with a one-node-thick "map".
23:10	exio4	VanessaE: that's exactly what I don't need :P
23:10	VanessaE	sfan5: that ^^^^ seems like something the overview mapper ought to have at some point
23:11	exio4	my idea was two images of the same size
23:11	sfan5	exporting height data?
23:11	VanessaE	sfan5: yeah.
23:11	exio4	one would represent nodes, the other one would be the height map
23:11	sfan5	what you want is a custom mapgen
23:11	exio4	do I?
23:11	VanessaE	sfan5: no. there's a mod for that.
23:11	sfan5	ok maybe not
23:12	sfan5	oh you want the other way around
23:12	sfan5	my bad
23:13	VanessaE	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=12666
23:13	VanessaE	there it is.
23:13	exio4	sfan5: one thing, I wanna know if I am doing this correctly, the "Name-ID table" is basically a list of node names like default:air default:dirt, right?
23:13	VanessaE	takes a heightmap and a color map
23:13	VanessaE	exactly what exio4 needs.
23:13	sfan5	exio4: yes
23:13	VanessaE	so now there just needs to be some way to tell the minetestmapper to export height data to a separate image while it's creating the color map
23:14	exio4	damn
23:14	sfan5	VanessaE: it would be waaay easier to just have it output it on stderr and then stich that together with a quick python script
23:15	sfan5	s/output it/output the height data/
23:15	VanessaE	perhaps
23:15	VanessaE	but that would be a shitton of output
23:15	nanovad	;d
23:15	sfan5	you don't need to read it all
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23:25	exio4	is there any short way to approximate the mem usage of a AxBxC schematic?
23:27	VanessaE	not precisely, but because worldedit collects all nodes to be saved into a table first, and 170x80x170 is too big to //save if you're using LuaJIT (out of memory error due to > 1 GB), you can do some basic math that way.
23:28	exio4	I am talking about MTS schematic
23:28	VanessaE	I know. WE can save schematics too
23:28	exio4	ehm, I am taling about loading
23:28	exio4	sorry
23:28	VanessaE	ohhh
23:29	exio4	talking*
23:30	sfan5	exio4: wild guess: size of mts header and uncompressed block data multiplied by 2.75
23:30	sfan5	it will certainly not be 1
23:30	sfan5	all of that needs to be loaded into memory
23:30	sfan5	and written to the map
23:31	sfan5	which will obv take space too
23:31	exio4	XYZ*5
23:31	exio4	bytes, right?
23:31	sfan5	why 5
23:31	exio4	making sure there'll be enough
23:32	exio4	hmmm, 5km x 5km x 100m would be about 10~ gb
23:33	exio4	that's not a big part of the map I want do convert
23:33	sfan5	à² _à²
23:33	exio4	I don't even think I'll be able to fit everything in a minetest map w/o scaling it :/
23:34	sfan5	what do you want to convert
23:34	sfan5	argentina?
23:35	exio4	no, my city, a little bit of the river, and some neighbor cities
23:35	exio4	it'd be about 50km x 50km x 400m, I think
23:37	exio4	(I was planning a 1m^3 - 1block scale, but it seems to be too much)
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23:53	sofar	sfan5: any hopes we can get worldedit to place node metadata as well?
23:53	sofar	exio4: Minecraft to minetest?
23:54	exio4	sofar: wut
23:54	sofar	or are you trying to import an actual topography?
23:57	exio4	sofar: I want to import my city
23:58	exio4	well, a bit of the river, etc
23:58	sfan5	sofar: what do you mean

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