IRC log for #minetest, 2016-08-07

Time	Nick	Message
00:00	shamoanjac	yeah
00:00	shamoanjac	yet it looks dirty
00:00	shamoanjac	I'm almost done with factions btw
00:00	shamoanjac	I see there is a chat handler
00:01	shamoanjac	I think I'll remove it for now as it's too entangled with lots of data from the ancient model
00:03	shamoanjac	alright, done
00:03	shamoanjac	stripped chatcommands down to 320 lines
00:03	thePalindrome	Dang son
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00:11	agrecascino	shamoanjac, push the latest factionsmod.lua to the repo and ill rewrite chatcommands.lua
00:12	shamoanjac	both are rewritten
00:12	shamoanjac	but I'm pushing
00:14	agrecascino	so should we make a reparser?
00:14	shamoanjac	there should be a "command" class or something
00:14	shamoanjac	that auto-checks whether the player, faction exist
00:15	shamoanjac	and whether privileges are done
00:15	shamoanjac	so that you only specify the action on success
00:15	shamoanjac	like
00:15	agrecascino	just make a SanityCheck(player,faction)
00:15	agrecascino	and have that return true or false
00:15	shamoanjac	not enough, muh privileges
00:15	shamoanjac	I was thinking of
00:16	shamoanjac	factionsmod.register_command("command", {
00:16	shamoanjac	privileges = {list},
00:16	agrecascino	ur dumb
00:16	shamoanjac	format = {"faction_name", "any", "player_name"},
00:17	shamoanjac	action = function(parameters, player)
00:17	shamoanjac	})
00:17	shamoanjac	it would auto check the correct formatting of the command, check the required privileges, and then execute action
00:18	agrecascino	shamoanjac, err\
00:18	agrecascino	no offence, but this is a lot
00:18	agrecascino	also
00:18	agrecascino	can someone donate me one of these https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/HP-HP9000-C8000-Workstation_33.jpg
00:20	shamoanjac	https://github.com/agrecascino/factions/pull/2
00:20	shamoanjac	it's not a lot m8
00:20	shamoanjac	I can do it in an hour tomorrow
00:20	shamoanjac	right now we gotta check that the mod works
00:20	shamoanjac	or even better, I'll go to sleep
00:21	shamoanjac	g'night
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00:30	Hijiri	haskell is great though
00:31	Hijiri	too bad shamoanjac isn't here for more language arguments
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00:43	betterthanyou710	testing
00:43	betterthanyou710	OldCoder can you read this?
00:43	OldCoder	betterthanyou710, yes
00:44	betterthanyou710	good
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06:12	Nosrick	Anyone about?
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06:30	Nosrick	Just for documentation's sake; I think I'm going to have to use register_on_hpchange to directly influence damage, as the engine currently handles ALL damage calculations, and they can't be touched directly except through on_hpchange.
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06:40	Nosrick	Aaaaand that only works for players
06:40	Nosrick	I don't think I can do this.
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06:50	Hijiri	Nosrick: are you looking for more than just attack damage?
06:50	Nosrick	Yes.
06:51	Hijiri	ok
06:51	Nosrick	I need to know a few things about the attacker, as well.
06:51	Hijiri	what damage sources other than attacks?
06:51	Nosrick	If I could combine the on_hpchange and on_punch, that'd be great.
06:51	Nosrick	It's not so much damage sources, as it is active effects.
06:51	Hijiri	what things that set hp
06:52	Nosrick	Need to know if the attacker has a certain effect going, so I can boost the damage received.
06:52	Hijiri	If those effects are implemented by you, you can handle that in your effect-handling code
06:53	Hijiri	maybe you can make it nicer by having some API that tracks the boosts for you
06:53	Nosrick	I'm using the playereffects API.
06:53	Hijiri	with repeating effects?
06:53	Nosrick	I'm not using them, but yeah, that's the one.
06:54	Hijiri	ok
06:54	Hijiri	Oh, the effects aren't applying damage
06:54	Hijiri	they are boosting it?
06:54	Nosrick	Correct.
06:54	Nosrick	Although...
06:54	Hijiri	the entities have to support your damage mechanism
06:55	Hijiri	I don't think there is a way around it
06:55	Hijiri	you can make a generic function that can be placed in an entity's on_punch callback, and reuse that
06:55	Nosrick	I could apply a 0 second effect that decrements the entity's HP on application
06:56	Hijiri	if you are replacing an existing entity you can call the on_punch with a modified damage, but I'm not sure that will work nicely with things like mobs redo with special handling of punches
06:56	Nosrick	(It's unresistable damage)
06:56	Hijiri	Nosrick: playereffects can't apply effects to entities
06:56	Hijiri	At least, as far as I know, but I'm pretty sure you can't
06:57	Nosrick	Funny, I'm sure I got my spells working on summoned (through the mobs API) entities.
06:57	Hijiri	are you replacing their on_punch?
06:57	Nosrick	Not yet.
06:57	Nosrick	But even if I did, I have no access to the damage caused.
06:57	Hijiri	I wouldn't expect it to not work, unless you were doing something like that
06:58	Hijiri	Nosrick: entity on_punch overrides normal punch damage
06:58	Hijiri	You can calculate the damage on your own from there
06:58	Nosrick	Oh, I see!
07:00	Hijiri	the problem with mobs from existing mob frameworks is that they do special things in their punch handling, like giving drops and calling death callbacks
07:00	Hijiri	so you need to make sure those get run also
07:00	Hijiri	(If you overwrite their on_punch)
07:01	Hijiri	at some point mobs redo mobs didn't support non-player punchers, but I don't know if that's still the case
07:01	Nosrick	How's this? http://pastebin.com/Xn0JUBZy
07:02	Hijiri	that should be momtest.on_punch(self, ...) or momtest:on_punch(puncher, ...) if you want that to be easily usable as a value
07:03	Hijiri	Nosrick: are your punch callbacks intended for calculating damage?
07:03	Nosrick	Yep.
07:03	Hijiri	the original purpose of punch callbacks is so special things can happen when punches happen, but not most damage calculations
07:03	Nosrick	Well, I will be doing extra things.
07:03	Hijiri	I was expecting you would calculate the damage there and just call the callbacks with the calculated damage
07:04	Nosrick	Which callbacks do I need to call? on_punch and...?
07:04	Hijiri	I mean the ones in your global table
07:05	Hijiri	my idea was that you write a "replacement on_punch" that you can put in an entity definition
07:05	Hijiri	in that case this would be the on_punch
07:06	Hijiri	this code seems weird to me because I would expect a fairly uniform treatment of punching, just augmented with whatever features you wanted (damage boosts)
07:06	Krock	Hijiri, have you been dicussing for 9 hours or did you take a break in between? Just wonder
07:07	Hijiri	Krock: break
07:07	Krock	oh, then it's fine
07:08	Hijiri	So I would have expected something similar to the way global callbacks are used from register_on_punchplayer from the base API, just using the specially-calculated damage instead
07:08	Nosrick	Oh, okay.
07:09	Hijiri	I'm actually not sure how I would do this
07:09	Hijiri	But I think replacing an entity's on_punch at least is necessary, because that is the only thing that can change what happens when a player hits an entity
07:10	Nosrick	Yeah, I think that's what I'm going to do.
07:10	Hijiri	punches don't come with a fixed damage, they come with tool capabilities that describe the way they damage
07:10	Nosrick	Yeah, I'm just writing out the damage calculation for it now.
07:10	Hijiri	so what you could do is call something behaving like the original obj:punch(), except with boosted tool capabilities
07:11	Hijiri	then you don't even need to do damage calculations, just modify the damage output described in the capabilities
07:11	Hijiri	that would require you to scan through the tool capabilities and find all the damage fields
07:12	Nosrick	Yup, doing so at the moment.
07:12	Hijiri	Ok, I think that is a good way to go
07:13	Hijiri	I guess this is sort of like a function decorator
07:13	Hijiri	or just a function on functions
07:13	Hijiri	endofunction on functions
07:21	Nosrick	for key, value in toolCapabilities do
07:21	Nosrick	damage = damage + (toolCapabilities.damage_groups[value] * min(0.0, max(1.0, (lastPunch / toolCapabilities.full_punch_interval))) * (self.armor_groups[value] / 100))
07:21	Nosrick	end
07:21	Nosrick	Well, that didn't work too well.
07:22	Nosrick	But there's my damage calculation.
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07:27	Nosrick	Any idea how to get the playereffects of another player?
07:28	Nosrick	Nevermind, I just RTFM
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07:37	Hijiri	Nosrick: I mean don't try to calculate your own damage
07:37	Hijiri	oh
07:37	Hijiri	wait
07:37	Hijiri	I did implicitly say that
07:37	Hijiri	if you are emulating punch
07:37	Hijiri	sorry
07:38	Hijiri	Nosrick: instead of checking if a player has a certain effect, you can have your effect set a flag somewhere for the player
07:38	Hijiri	That allows you to have multiple effects that set the same flag
07:39	Hijiri	(Even better, use a monoid instead of a flag and you can have both effects active at the same time :P)
07:43	Hijiri	Then in your damage calculations you can read the flag
07:43	Hijiri	if this is for damage boosts, I would advise using monoids, or something similar, so that you don't have to check for individual effects
07:44	Hijiri	It doesn't have to be monoids, but it should be something that lets you: Read the total damage boost of a given player, and contribute to the damage boost from multiple sources
07:44	Hijiri	checking for particular effects doesn't scale
07:45	Hijiri	maybe you aren't doing that, but that's what it sounded like
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07:49	Hijiri	I have to sleep, so I won't be able to respond for a while
07:49	Hijiri	I'll stay connected unless I lose connection, though
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08:13	Nosrick	Thanks, Hijiri. Sorry I didn't reply, wife needed the laptop.
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09:19	jan6	what are the minimal dependecies for building a minetest client from source?
09:20	aix	hi all
09:20	Krock	irrlicht and zlib
09:20	sfan5	and sqlite3
09:20	Krock	oh right, we don't have that bundled anymore
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09:30	aix	are there any remote bag mods?
09:30	aix	y'know, like a wifi chest but in the inventory
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09:52	Nosrick	You weren't kidding when you said the damage stuff in minetest is totally fucked
09:58	Nosrick	My on_punch function in my custom entity isn't calling at all.
10:01	Krock	Nosrick, punch a dropped item and you see that it works prefectly
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10:03	Nosrick	But my custom on_punch isn't in a dropped item
10:03	Nosrick	It's in a mob.
10:06	Nosrick	Ah, I see why.
10:07	Nosrick	The mob API I'm using doesn't have an on_punch callback.
10:08	Krock	So don't blame Minetest for it :P
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10:33	Nosrick	Damn it, I can't get my custom entities to hook into on_punch.
10:40	Nosrick	I think I'm going to have to write my own damn mob API.
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11:24	Nosrick	Is it possible to change an entity's on_punch function after initialisation?
11:24	T4im	should be possible, yea
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11:27	Nosrick	So I use minetest.add_entity() to spawn the entity, which returns an entity, but when I try to reassign its on_punch function, it crashes and tells me I'm trying to index into a userdata value. How do I get around this?
11:29	T4im	it returns an ObjectRef
11:30	T4im	not an entity
11:30	Nosrick	Ah.
11:30	T4im	for whatever reason entities don't inherit from objects
11:30	T4im	meaning you are looking for on_punch in a c structure, that doesn't have it
11:30	Nosrick	Why on earth does add_entity() return an ObjectRef?!
11:31	Krock	why shouldn't it?
11:31	T4im	you'll probably want object.get_luaentity()
11:32	Nosrick	Oh, so I need to get_luaentity(), then reassign its on_punch?
11:33	Nosrick	Where is get_luaentity() located?
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11:37	T4im	object:get_luaentity() *
11:37	T4im	in LuaEntitySAo
11:37	T4im	SAO*
11:43	Nosrick	Thanks!
11:43	Nosrick	I can't believe I missed that.
11:46	Nosrick	Different problem: it looks like add_entity() returns a copy?
11:47	Nosrick	As making changes to it seem to be discarded.
11:48	Nosrick	Will I have to look up the minetest.luaentities and replace it there?
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11:50	Megaf	G'Day folks
11:50	Nosrick	Hello!
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12:10	Laster	Hello everyone!@
12:10	Markow	hey
12:11	Laster	I try to install a mod to extend my minetest 0.4.14
12:11	Laster	on ubuntu 14.04
12:12	Laster	where does look Minetest for mods?
12:12	Laster	I mean in which map?
12:13	Laster	more as that is not written on http://wiki.minetest.net/Installing_Mods
12:14	T4im	each world you create will have a world.mt file in its directory (under .minetest/worlds) in which it saves which mods are loaded for that world
12:15	T4im	hm no, that stands on that page, too
12:15	T4im	not sure what you are missing? :D
12:15	Calinou	Laster: ~/.minetest/mods
12:15	Calinou	install your mods there
12:15	Calinou	(you can also "git clone" them directly, for easy updating)
12:16	Laster	on that page stands that it depends on the version you have
12:16	Laster	*too
12:16	Calinou	Laster: if you installed Minetest through compiling without RUN_IN_PLACE or with a package, it's almost certainly in ~/.minetest/mods
12:16	Calinou	you may have to create the folder
12:16	Calinou	(mkdir -p ~/.minetest/mods)
12:17	T4im	if you mean the "As of 0.4.7,", that's still the case, what is explained there
12:19	Laster	Thank you Calinou!
12:19	Laster	I think this wil worl!
12:20	Laster	*work
12:25	Nosrick	What's wrong with this line? I'm getting an "attempt to call table value" error: for key, value in ipairs(momtest.on_punch_callbacks) do
12:26	Nosrick	Actually, I don't think it's that line...
12:26	Nosrick	I think it's where I assign the table's value (supposed to be a function) to a local, and try to call it.
12:27	Krock	yes, must be another line because that looks fine
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12:29	T4im	momtest? O_o
12:30	Krock	dadtest
12:31	* T4im	imagines a game for becoming moms to train caring for children by having an entity that cries all the time and needs feeding... wait.. why do you want to override on_punch again?
12:31	* T4im	hides
12:33	* Krock	looks worried at T4im and tells him that his imagination creates too many strange elements
12:33	Nosrick	Oh, Master of Magic.
12:33	Nosrick	Not uh... moms.
12:34	T4im	ah
12:34	Nosrick	But there's another idea for a mod...
12:34	Nosrick	BABY PUNCHING!
12:34	Nosrick	As a frustrated mother
12:34	Nosrick	Wow, I think I'll stop now. That got really grim really fast.
12:35	Krock	For the case there's a horrible musical performed by strange chicken then you could throw tomatoes and babies at them
12:35	Krock	(if it was a normal musical you'd use tomatoes and eggs)
12:36	T4im	x) thanks for the explanation
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13:19	Nosrick	Why is minetest crashing and telling me that get_hp() is a nil value?
13:20	rubenwardy	try gethp?
13:20	rubenwardy	The api is a little inconsistent
13:20	thePalindrome	Also make sure you're operating on a player
13:20	rubenwardy	no, it's get_Hp
13:20	thePalindrome	Has the minetest bug where scripts can crash the game been fixed yet?
13:20	rubenwardy	and it works on lua entities as well
13:21	Krock	thePalindrome, that's not one bug.
13:22	Krock	there are many ways to crash the game, even without using the API functions
13:22	shamoanjac	trying to call a nil value usually results in the brown screen of death
13:23	thePalindrome	iirc the bug that was most annoying was when you had a variable of a different type than you thought
13:23	shamoanjac	I had many of those when I still didn't understand well the difference between foo:bar() and foo.bar()
13:23	thePalindrome	I do remember it involved type mismatches
13:23	thePalindrome	is there even a difference?
13:23	shamoanjac	yeah like when you got a "player" argument to a function
13:23	shamoanjac	so you try to call getpos()
13:23	T4im	foo:bar() == foo.bar(foo)
13:24	shamoanjac	but it turns out it was a player name, not a player ObjectRef
13:24	thePalindrome	Ah, I see
13:24	T4im	foo is then accessable as "self"
13:24	thePalindrome	#1794 is what I was thinking of
13:24	T4im	that is, unless you define it with another name when defining it with "."
13:25	T4im	if you define it with : it defaults to self
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13:25	shamoanjac	tfw I've rewritten 99% of agrecascino's work
13:25	shamoanjac	I feel somewhat bad
13:26	shamoanjac	not to talk about Sapier's original work which has pretty much disappeared
13:27	* thePalindrome	works on too many things at once
13:28	shamoanjac	9>You can't make a faction server right now as there are no proper mods out there
13:28	shamoanjac	ha ha ha!
13:28	shamoanjac	now with my rewrite it's usable
13:28	shamoanjac	and extendible
13:28	shamoanjac	with groups/permissions settings
13:29	rubenwardy	ctf_pvp_engine could be used to make a faction mod, with some slight modifications ;)
13:29	shamoanjac	rubenwardy, if you want to use what I've written, feel free to take a look at github.com/shamoanjac/factions
13:29	rubenwardy	although I don't recommend it, it's an old project which has some code weirdness
13:30	shamoanjac	or agrecascino's repo which is the original (but right now hasn't accepted my latest PR)
13:31	rubenwardy	Does your factions mod have diplomacy? Or are factions always at war? https://www.dropbox.com/s/5msi3fxyxkpjxpg/CTF_team_gui_diplo.png?dl=1
13:31	shamoanjac	there are alliances and enemies
13:31	shamoanjac	I haven't implemented the commands to set them though, but the functions are there
13:31	shamoanjac	there are about a hundred TODOs which are merely "add message here"
13:32	shamoanjac	registering a command is super easy, though
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13:33	shamoanjac	http://pastebin.com/RGYk2sU8
13:33	shamoanjac	uh I've forgot to remove a part of the code
13:34	shamoanjac	namely the 'if cmd == "version" then' part
13:35	shamoanjac	you can also make functions available only to certain privileges and faction permissions, and specify their format, to make sure the on_success() will be always called on a correctly formatted command
13:36	rubenwardy	have you seen chatcmdbuilder? http://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/chapters/chat_complex.html
13:36	rubenwardy	You can use patterns like cmd:sub("join :username :teamname", function(name, username, teamname)
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13:46	Nosrick	So apparently it isn't get_Hp()
13:46	Nosrick	Or get_hp()
13:47	rubenwardy	http://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/lua_api.html#get_hp
13:48	rubenwardy	lua_api.txt does say it is
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13:48	Nosrick	Yeah, I'm getting a nil value error on it.
13:49	rubenwardy	please can you share your code?
13:49	Nosrick	target:set_hp(target:get_Hp() - damage)
13:49	rubenwardy	You're probably doing something wrong :P
13:49	Nosrick	set_hp() calls fine, apparently
13:49	rubenwardy	target:set_hp(target:get_hp() - damage)
13:49	rubenwardy	where do you get target from?
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13:51	Nosrick	target comes from an on_punch callback
13:51	Nosrick	So it's the self from there
13:51	rubenwardy	entity or node?
13:51	Nosrick	Entity
13:53	rubenwardy	you want self.object:get_hp()
13:54	rubenwardy	where self is from on_punch = function(self, hitter)
13:55	Nosrick	Should I change it to this, then? target.object:set_hp(target.object:get_hp() - damage)
13:55	rubenwardy	probably
13:56	rubenwardy	the reason get_hp threw an error and not set_hp was because get_hp was run first
13:57	rubenwardy	it goes: 1) get_hp 2) damage 3) minus 4) set_hp
13:57	Nosrick	Ah, I see.
13:57	Nosrick	It works now!
13:57	Nosrick	Sort of.
13:57	Nosrick	My damage calculations are wrong, but it works!
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14:19	shamoanjac	no rubenwardy, I hadn't seent it
14:22	rubenwardy	you don't need to use that structure
14:22	rubenwardy	you could do local cmd = ChatCmdBuilder("foo", function() end)
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14:22	rubenwardy	you could do local cmd = ChatCmdBuilder.new("foo", function() end)
14:23	rubenwardy	cmd:sub("bar :name", function(name, param_name) print(name .. " ran /foo bar " .. param_name) end)
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14:33	shamoanjac	sounds good
14:33	shamoanjac	however I've already rewritten all the functions and it took me a couple hoursd
14:33	shamoanjac	I'm not sure I want to spend another two hours re-writing the function declarations :P
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14:36	Nosrick	Why does my mob's on_punch callback go back to default on re-entering a world?
14:38	est	because thats the way its designed
14:38	est	you have to load it from static data
14:39	Nosrick	Ah, crap. That's handled by the API.
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14:45	Nosrick	Odd, there's nothing in the API that forces the on_punch back to its regular state.
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14:48	IhrFussel	"Invalid command" message is hard coded right?
14:49	Nosrick	This has been a huge pain in the ass.
14:52	shamoanjac	is there a reason a steel door couldn't be mined with a regular pickaxe?
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14:56	Darkside_	i don't know, probly same reason as for mese ore you need a steel pickaxe for that ;0
14:56	shamoanjac	yeah it was that
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14:57	IhrFussel	I think I can prevent "Invalid command" by changing return false to return true inside chat command handler when cmd_def is not defined
14:57	shamoanjac	any tips for optimized self-compiled Minetest?
15:00	thePalindrome	-O3 if you really want to
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15:05	burli	How can I reduce the default crafting filed to 2x2?
15:06	Darkside_	edit formspec code, im just a modding noobie ;)
15:07	thePalindrome	Yeah, you'd have to overwrite the default crafting screen
15:07	thePalindrome	Which would make it incompatible with unified inventory et al
15:07	Darkside_	and craft recipes as wel
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15:08	burli	any example how to do?
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15:08	est	http://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/lua_api.html#minecraft-like-player-inventory
15:09	burli	I'll try, thx
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15:10	shamoanjac	thePalindrome, I should put -O3 in the calls to GCC, right?
15:10	burli	just to make sure: is this compatible with minetest 0.4.14?
15:11	shamoanjac	no way to pass them on cmake or make?
15:11	thePalindrome	You'd have to edit the makefile to do that, and -O3 should be comptabile, but sometimes O3 causes issues
15:11	shamoanjac	ok
15:12	shamoanjac	for some reason when I compiled the 0.4.14 it made Minetest unable to run fullscreen at >10FPS
15:12	shamoanjac	when it could handle it at 25FPS before
15:13	shamoanjac	(with more render distance)
15:13	thePalindrome	iirc 0.4.14 added some new shader things, it's possible that some of the shaders were forced to use software rendering
15:14	thePalindrome	O3 isn't going to help with graphical performance :P
15:15	shamoanjac	no but I figured it could help with other parts
15:16	shamoanjac	not sure how I can make the shaders to use hardware rendering instead of software though
15:16	shamoanjac	my graphics card isn't even that bad
15:18	shamoanjac	well, I've just recompiled and now it runs smooth again
15:20	thePalindrome	Huh, weird. What's your driver/opengl support?
15:22	shamoanjac	Nouveau, and I can handle at least OpenGL 3.3
15:22	shamoanjac	quite sure I can run OpenGL 4 too
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15:26	thePalindrome	Hmmm
15:30	thePalindrome	afaik you either have 3.3 support or 4.3 support, depending on the driver. Nouveau can be a bit finicky, because nvidia made it so
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15:36	shamoanjac	is there really no method to get the world spawn position?
15:37	thePalindrome	Kindof
15:38	thePalindrome	iirc It's about 0,0,0 but with random offests
15:38	thePalindrome	It's on a per player basis
15:38	shamoanjac	ah, well
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15:41	thePalindrome	You might be able to, but it'd be a player method
15:41	shamoanjac	i have Ctrl+F "spawn" in lua_api.txt and I found nothing
15:41	shamoanjac	not for players, not worldwide
15:43	thePalindrome	hmm
15:44	Darkside_	should be somewhere in the mapgen sourcode if you mean trying to find were creation of the world starts i guess 0,0,0 at players pos at first login
15:46	Darkside_	i don't know, just put it up there let the genius ones reply on it to correct it ;)
15:46	burli	est, looks like this 2x2 crafting patch doesn't work with 0.4.14. Thx anyway
15:47	Krock	there's a mod that changes your inventory grid size
15:47	burli	that would be cool
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15:55	burli	Krock, do you have a link or a name? Can't find it
15:56	burli	And I also look for a simple workbench mod without any fancy stuff
15:57	Krock	you're looking for two times the same mod
15:57	rubenwardy	!mod workbench
15:57	MinetestBot	rubenwardy: Workbench - 3x3 4x4 5x5 [workbench] by cornernote - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=3275
15:57	rubenwardy	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=14085
15:57	rubenwardy	use that last link, burli ^^
15:58	rubenwardy	oh wait, different thing
15:58	T4im	https://github.com/minetest-mods/workbench ?
15:58	burli	I know the xdecor workbench. But I dont need the cut feature or anything
15:59	Krock	!crafting
15:59	Krock	!mod crafting
15:59	MinetestBot	Krock: Mini Trees (now has seeds and crafting!) [minitrees] by 12Me21 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=5387
15:59	Krock	noo
15:59	Krock	!mod crafting]
15:59	MinetestBot	Krock: Crafting [crafting] by BlockMen - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=5641
15:59	Krock	this one changes it to 2x2
15:59	rubenwardy	your mod search really should prioritise the basename over appearance in the title
15:59	T4im	!mod coffee
15:59	MinetestBot	T4im: Could not find anything.
16:00	T4im	:(
16:00	T4im	still no coffee mod
16:00	rubenwardy	T4im, https://github.com/rubenwardy/coffee
16:00	Krock	rubenwardy, yeah..
16:00	T4im	oh
16:00	T4im	<3
16:00	rubenwardy	currently only espressos and lattes
16:00	T4im	with kopi luwak crafted out of nyancat + coffee? :3
16:01	Krock	DO NOT USE nyancats in crafting recipes!
16:01	Krock	poor cats
16:01	T4im	well maybe not crafted, fed to them then
16:01	rubenwardy	food has nyancat juice
16:01	T4im	kopi luwaki is that coffee where the beans were fermented by cats
16:02	T4im	luwak*
16:02	T4im	very expensive coffee
16:02	Krock	eeks
16:02	T4im	~50â‚¬ per cup
16:02	rubenwardy	so: milk in furnace gives steamed milk, coffee bean in espresso machine gives espresso, 2xEspresso + milk + drinking glass = latte
16:02	T4im	> â‚¬500 per KG if you buy it in bulk
16:03	shamoanjac	that's the price of an average glass of water in Paris
16:03	shamoanjac	:P
16:03	T4im	heh
16:03	rubenwardy	I really should finish and release that coffee mod
16:03	Krock	where can I buy Dihydrogen-Monoxide?
16:03	* T4im	is waiting for one since a few years
16:03	shamoanjac	does the coffee do something?
16:04	burli	Krock, I know that mod, but doesn't work with 0.4.14
16:04	Void7	Krock: you really want to buy the #1 killer of sharks?
16:04	burli	afk
16:04	T4im	it's coffee, drink it, shamoanjac :p
16:04	shamoanjac	Krock, Dihydrogen-Monoxide is toxic
16:04	shamoanjac	look at this page
16:04	Krock	Void7, yes but I want to use it to kill people
16:04	shamoanjac	there's a government conspiracy
16:04	Void7	Krock: you can probably find it in every paper cup
16:04	shamoanjac	http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html
16:04	Calinou	"Easy conspiracies to shine in society"
16:04	Krock	they already sell it in the subway bread but I don't want to extrct it from there
16:05	shamoanjac	Monsanto keeps patents on the production of DHMO
16:05	Void7	"* DHMO is a major component of acid rain."
16:05	Krock	Thousands of people die each year - caused by DHMO
16:05	Void7	"* Often associated with killer cyclones"
16:06	Void7	"* [DHMO is used] in community swimming pools to maintain chemical balance"
16:06	shamoanjac	Brazilian farmers are found to be at increased risks of suffering several acute diseases due to exposure to DHMO
16:06	shamoanjac	and compounds that contain DHMO
16:06	shamoanjac	is this what you want your coffee to be?
16:06	shamoanjac	a man-killer?
16:07	Void7	"...that athletes regularly ingest large quantities of DHMO in an effort to gain a competitive edge over an opponent."
16:07	shamoanjac	http://bandhmo.org/
16:08	shamoanjac	3>Dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO) is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and sickens over 4 billion and kills over 2 million people every year
16:08	Void7	"the chemical separation of dihydrogenoxide from the hazardous oxygendihydride is extremely difficult."
16:08	shamoanjac	3>Ahmadinejad: A rain of DHMO if Israel attacks nuclear facilities
16:09	Krock	DHMO was also found as a cause for the nuclear power station in fukushima
16:10	Void7	>3Dihydrogen Monoxide has been found in our rivers, lakes, oceans and streams
16:10	Void7	but srsly why does this discussion exist
16:10	Void7	we all know that DHMO is very toxic/deadly
16:10	Krock	but that's no wonder because DHMO is another waste product of nuclear power stations
16:11	T4im	why do you guys copy an age old gag here? people can read the website and the wikipedia article etc without irc :P
16:11	Krock	T4im, what are you talking about. this is serious
16:11	T4im	no need to paste every line though
16:11	Krock	http://www.overclockers.com.au/pic.php?pic=images/newspics/29jul16/32.jpg
16:11	shamoanjac	looks like T4im is part of the globalist Monsanto-Rotschild conspiracy
16:12	Krock	Oh my god the illuminati are back
16:12	shamoanjac	the trails of planes contain DHMO
16:12	shamoanjac	lol
16:12	* T4im	lives off that stuff
16:13	Darkside_	lol so this is what people do these days? back in the day people went to church on sunday ;D
16:13	Krock	but not at 6 pm
16:13	shamoanjac	vesper mass
16:13	T4im	there are plenty of minetest churches in several worlds
16:13	shamoanjac	well that's at 5pm
16:13	T4im	you can go virutally
16:13	T4im	virtually*
16:14	Krock	meat the virual godot
16:14	Krock	*meet god
16:24	rubenwardy	T4im, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=15321
16:24	rubenwardy	!titke
16:24	rubenwardy	!title
16:24	MinetestBot	rubenwardy: [Mod] Coffee [0.1][coffee] - work in progress / prototype - Minetest Forums
16:28	Darkside_	im on youtube looking for minecraft griefing Team Avolition the episode in wich Storm_Surge drowns and dies in church before they grief the server :D
16:29	T4im	rubenwardy: maybe support the coffee maker in homedecor via item override? .D
16:29	Calinou	it's cool we don't have griefing teams on Minetest :P
16:30	rubenwardy	T4im, didn't know such a thing existed. Will investigate at some point
16:33	Krock	Calinou, do we have builder teams in Minetest?
16:36	Calinou	not sure :p
16:38	Darkside_	lol that minecraft suffocating sound should be added to mt ;)
16:39	Krock	I doubt it has a license
16:40	Darkside_	hmm i can buy a microphone and recreate the sound on my pc lol
16:43	Nosrick	What table do I need to access to get my hands on the registered entities?
16:43	Nosrick	minetest.luaentities?
16:43	Nosrick	No wait, it's minetest.registered_entities.
16:44	Krock	you can find these tables in builtin/game/register.lua for the case your lua_api.txt file is corrupted and you have no internet connection to check it online
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16:49	Nosrick	Oh, I didn't realise I had the lua source available. Which makes sense, now that I think about it.
16:54	Darkside_	:)
17:01	Nosrick	Is anyone familiar with the mobs-redo API?
17:08	Nosrick	Also, it looks like my damage calculations are wrong, because the tool capabilities passed in are always empty.
17:23	Nosrick	Any idea why this wouldn't do any operations?
17:23	Nosrick	for key, value in ipairs(toolCapabilities.damage_groups) do
17:23	Nosrick	print("Damage before calculations: " .. value)
17:23	Nosrick	damage = damage + (value * punchTimePercent * (target.armor_groups[key] / 100))
17:23	Nosrick	end
17:23	T4im	you know about github gists? :P
17:23	Nosrick	I... do not.
17:24	T4im	https://gist.github.com
17:24	Nosrick	Sorry, I'm not a smart man.
17:24	T4im	but i guess damage_groups is not a list, is it?
17:25	shamoanjac	Nosrick, I think you have to use pairs() instead of ipairs()
17:25	Nosrick	What's the difference?
17:25	shamoanjac	for i in ipairs(list) do
17:25	shamoanjac	foo(list[i])
17:25	shamoanjac	end
17:25	shamoanjac	basically, ipairs gives you a list of indexes
17:26	Nosrick	Ah, I see.
17:26	shamoanjac	https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8955085/should-i-use-ipairs-or-a-for-loop
17:26	T4im	it also gives you the entry as second parameter
17:26	Nosrick	Changing it to pairs causes it to do stuff. It crashes now!
17:26	Nosrick	Which is a start.
17:26	Nosrick	Thanks, guys.
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17:30	Nosrick	Why would object.get_armor_groups() fail as a nil value?
17:30	T4im	ipairs will run all entries numerically like 1,2,3,4... until nil in order (so if you have a hole, it won't continue numeric indexes after that)
17:30	Nosrick	Oh, I see.
17:30	Nosrick	But pairs takes all of them?
17:30	T4im	pairs will iterate through key-value pairs, but does not guarantee order
17:30	shamoanjac	object:get_armor_groups()
17:30	Nosrick	(And I'm really sorry for all the questions, I promise my mod will be worth it)
17:31	shamoanjac	try that
17:31	Nosrick	I have; it still fails.
17:31	T4im	pairs will indeed iterate through everything, yea
17:31	shamoanjac	don't worry Nosrick, I've been asking every single line of code in here for the week before my banners mod was released lel
17:32	shamoanjac	(which was before yesterday)
17:32	GNU[BDC]	\0/
17:32	T4im	hey, any of you guys know sources for good open source 80s synth tracks? tron-style, stranger things etc?
17:33	Nosrick	Can you make music?
17:33	* T4im	cannot
17:33	Nosrick	Because if you can, use LMMS. It's got a great bunch of cheesy 80s style synths.
17:33	Nosrick	Ah, damn.
17:33	T4im	:(
17:33	Nosrick	Learn!
17:33	T4im	heh
17:33	Nosrick	I've been learning a bit of music theory here and there for the past few weeks.
17:34	Nosrick	And I'm tone deaf.
17:34	Nosrick	So if I can do it, so can you. ;)
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17:35	Nosrick	Krock!
17:35	Krock	Krock!
17:35	Calinou	Krock!
17:36	Nosrick	Let's hope he has sound enabled.
17:36	Nosrick	>shouting his own name
17:36	Nosrick	I didn't even notice lol
17:36	Krock	Sound is, but no message alert sound set
17:36	Nosrick	Probably for that exact reason? :P
17:37	Krock	no, it's easier to delay a discussion when I get no sound alert
17:37	Krock	this is IRC, so it can wait for smoe minutes if I don't want to answer
17:37	Krock	*some
17:38	Nosrick	That's true.
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17:40	agrecascino	shamoanjac, hey
17:40	T4im	you are not really running your irc client as root, are you? :o
17:41	agrecascino	T4im, hell yeah i am
17:41	T4im	hey, there are open unprotected company VNC's out there running their desktop on root, so i am ready to believe everything :P
17:42	agrecascino	T4im, my vnc server has now auth
17:42	agrecascino	but has lightdm running
17:42	shamoanjac	hey agrecascino
17:42	* T4im	should take a look at vnc roulette again, that was fun, sad, but fun
17:42	shamoanjac	I've reworked the commands system to what I said yesterday
17:42	shamoanjac	I'm fixing bugs rn\
17:42	agrecascino	?
17:42	agrecascino	oh
17:42	Nosrick	Apparently get_armor_groups() takes an argument of userdata?
17:43	shamoanjac	http://pastebin.com/RGYk2sU8
17:43	shamoanjac	this is what it looks like, except I had forgotten to remove the inner if in that one
17:43	Krock	"This page is no longer available. It has either expired, been removed by its creator, or removed by one of the Pastebin staff."
17:43	agrecascino	shamoanjac, i feel worthless
17:43	T4im	use gists :P
17:43	shamoanjac	ah yeah I set the pastebin to last for an hour
17:44	T4im	you can remove gists too, but at least until you do, they are versioned and syntax highlighted
17:44	Nosrick	Versioned
17:44	agrecascino	use susepaste
17:44	Nosrick	Are you serious?
17:44	shamoanjac	agrecascino, there are a hundred TODOs for you to complete
17:44	T4im	yea, until you delete them
17:44	agrecascino	http://paste.opensuse.org
17:44	T4im	they are like miniature-git repos
17:44	shamoanjac	which are merely error messages
17:44	shamoanjac	but still
17:45	Nosrick	MY DAMAGE CALCULATIONS WORK!
17:45	Nosrick	WOOHOO
17:46	Nosrick	Now to see if Heroism boosts damage.
17:46	agrecascino	Nosrick, what does your framework do?
17:46	Nosrick	Damage boosts and stuff
17:47	Nosrick	Except it doesn't seem to want to work.
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18:04	shamoanjac	if #self.global_privileges > 0 then
18:05	shamoanjac	what's wrong with this ^
18:05	shamoanjac	why does it complain about it being nil
18:05	shamoanjac	when it's {}
18:05	shamoanjac	pls don't tell me {} == nil
18:05	shamoanjac	pls don't tell me #{} ~= 0
18:05	shamoanjac	please Lua don't be like that
18:07	shamoanjac	holy fucking shit
18:07	shamoanjac	why are empty table nil values?
18:07	Nosrick	It is, isn't it?
18:07	shamoanjac	what's the fucking point
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18:08	shamoanjac	it just makes my life harder
18:08	shamoanjac	it forces me to add indentation levels
18:08	KaadmY	because "lua is EASY"
18:08	KaadmY	which is also why there isn't a continue keyword
18:08	KaadmY	because "easy"
18:08	shamoanjac	is {} == nil
18:08	Nosrick	There isn't?
18:08	shamoanjac	for real???
18:08	KaadmY	likely
18:08	KaadmY	Nosrick: nope
18:09	Nosrick	wat
18:09	Nosrick	WHY LUA
18:09	Nosrick	WHY
18:09	KaadmY	http://lua-users.org/wiki/ContinueProposal
18:09	shamoanjac	the lack of continue is annoying
18:09	shamoanjac	but the design decision of {} == nil
18:09	shamoanjac	that's
18:09	shamoanjac	fucking
18:09	shamoanjac	retarded
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18:09	Nosrick	Not half, eh?
18:10	shamoanjac	now what do I do? add yet another check and yet another indentation level?
18:12	Krock	great. They won't add "continue" instead they add the spaghetti-keyword "goto"
18:13	shamoanjac	local language ruins everything
18:13	Nosrick	Why is table.insert doing nothing?
18:14	shamoanjac	NIL VALUES LOL
18:14	shamoanjac	probably because it doesn't get called
18:14	Nosrick	But I'm calling it without any conditions.
18:14	shamoanjac	uh
18:14	shamoanjac	idk
18:15	T4im	Nosrick: insert like remove only works on the sequential numeric part of the table
18:15	T4im	and like ipairs
18:15	Nosrick	Are you fucking serious
18:15	T4im	i am cobbly serious
18:15	Nosrick	I just want to put a value into a table and find it with pairs later.
18:16	T4im	you can do that, as long as you don't assign it to a key
18:16	T4im	if you assign it to a key, then forget about insert remove and ipair
18:16	T4im	and use the key to access it
18:17	T4im	either or :)
18:17	T4im	if that's not the problem, show the code, maybe its something else
18:17	T4im	i just assumed, since you already had troubles with that :P
18:17	Nosrick	table.insert(momtest.on_punch_callbacks, functionToRegister)
18:17	Nosrick	This is literally it.
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18:18	Nosrick	When I later iterate over it with pairs, I get nothing!
18:18	T4im	and on_punc_callbacks is a { function()end, function()end, function()end } structure?
18:18	Nosrick	I believe so, yes.
18:18	T4im	or a { name = function()end } one?
18:18	Nosrick	I think it's a function()end one.
18:19	T4im	then insert should work
18:19	Nosrick	But it doesn't. :(
18:19	T4im	as will momtest.on_punch_callbacks[#momtest.on_punch_callbacks + 1] = functionToRegister btw
18:20	Nosrick	I'll try that.
18:20	T4im	the problem is likely somewhere else
18:20	T4im	functionToRegister being nil for example
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18:24	Nosrick	I don't think it can be. The function is a globally defined one.
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18:27	Nosrick	I also just tried it with an anonymous function, but that didn't work either.
18:27	Nosrick	Apparently it's nil?
18:27	Nosrick	How can that be?
18:29	shamoanjac	isn't there color in Minetest chat?
18:29	Krock	restricted to mods AFAIK
18:30	T4im	enough support to color chatcommand outputs
18:30	T4im	and formspecs
18:31	T4im	no console output yet :(
18:32	Nosrick	Wait, can't you just use print()?
18:32	Nosrick	That's what I've been doing so far.
18:32	T4im	print is just for debug output
18:33	T4im	and i meant no color for console output
18:33	Nosrick	Ah, right.
18:33	T4im	you can do console output with io.write
18:33	T4im	stdout that is
18:33	* thePalindrome	can do color in stdout
18:33	thePalindrome	Bow to the penguin!
18:33	T4im	but not with the existing color functions
18:33	Nosrick	So why would the function I pass into a table be nil?
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18:34	thePalindrome	Are you executing the function?
18:34	thePalindrome	func is the function object, func() is the return of the function
18:34	Nosrick	No, just trying to register it as an on_punch callback.
18:34	T4im	Nosrick: without seeing the code we can just guess
18:35	Nosrick	https://gist.github.com/Nosrick/7aa9848c8cbef364e3a608dc06c7f667
18:35	KaadmY	\0332J\033[0;0H\033[31;01mOf course I can use colors, such as \033[34mblue\033[31;01m in stdout text!\033[00m
18:36	shamoanjac	love ur mom
18:36	shamoanjac	you should really change the name lel
18:36	T4im	Nosrick: "." and ":" ;)
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18:37	T4im	if you define a function with ":" the first parameter is always "self"
18:37	T4im	so you assign the function to self and check a nil parameter
18:37	T4im	if you call a function with : then you pass the table to the first parameter
18:38	Nosrick	I'm still pretty new to Lua. Which one do I change?
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18:39	T4im	well, you can do either, but in this case I'd recommend just change line 1 to a dot
18:39	T4im	since you don't need "momtest" as "self"
18:40	T4im	":" becomes very practically once you started with lua metatables :D
18:40	shamoanjac	heh
18:40	Nosrick	Ah, I see!
18:41	T4im	but "function momtest:registerOnPunch(functionToRegister)" is identical "function momtest.registerOnPunch(self, functionToRegister)"
18:41	T4im	to see what the problem is :)
18:43	Nosrick	I think that's it working.
18:44	T4im	hm btw, i recommend adding a .gitignore that ignores the eclipse .project etc files
18:44	T4im	since many entries are specific to your setup
18:44	T4im	like "E:/minetest-0.4.14/mods/minetest_playereffects"
18:46	T4im	here, you can take this one https://raw.githubusercontent.com/minetest-mods/xdecor/master/.gitignore
18:46	Nosrick	Thank you. :)
18:50	Nosrick	Okay, so I'm passing time_from_last_punch into a function, and it says it's a table.
18:52	Krock	cargocasting!!!
18:52	Nosrick	Cargocasting?
18:52	Krock	when you copy code and don't understand what it actually does because it's magical
18:53	T4im	culting*
18:53	Krock	oops
18:53	Nosrick	I didn't copy it, though, that's the strangest thing.
18:53	Krock	typecast and cargocult
18:54	shamoanjac	3if 6infaction3 and not 6player_faction 3then
18:54	shamoanjac	if infaction = true
18:54	shamoanjac	and player_faction = nil
18:54	shamoanjac	why the fuck doesn't this run
18:54	Nosrick	It's taking the time_from_last_punch from the vanilla on_punch function, and passing it into my function. It then becomes a table.
18:54	Krock	* ==
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18:54	T4im	Nosrick: it sounds like you :/. switched something again
18:55	T4im	if you call something with : then the table in front of it is passed as first argument
18:55	shamoanjac	no Krock it's not that
18:55	shamoanjac	the only actual line is the one I've written with colors
18:55	Nosrick	Oh, bloody buggery, that's exactly it, I think.
18:55	T4im	if you define something with : then it sets "self" as first parameter expecting something to call it with ":" to get the table as "self
18:55	Nosrick	Because the parameter BEFORE the last parameter is a TABLE!
18:56	T4im	you can mix : and . but then you have to handle the first parameter explicitly where you used "."
18:56	Nosrick	Haha, that was it!
18:56	shamoanjac	ah right, it's self.infaction
18:56	Nosrick	I swear, I'll get used to this stuff eventually.
18:56	T4im	for the sake of argument, let's assume "" in lua is of type "strings" (not quite correct, but close enough)
18:57	T4im	strings.rep("b", 3) -> bbb
18:57	T4im	or
18:57	T4im	"b":rep(3) -> bbb
18:57	Nosrick	Ah, I see.
18:57	Nosrick	Thank you!
18:57	Krock	shouldn't it be ("b"):rep(3) ?
18:57	T4im	oops
18:57	T4im	yes
18:58	T4im	it's essentially doing this: ("b").rep("b", 3)
18:58	T4im	and because enything you call on ("b") is directed to strings, that works
19:00	Hijiri	shamoanjac: {} is not nil
19:00	Hijiri	you are getting an error because # has higher precedence than . (I think)
19:01	shamoanjac	that makes more sense
19:01	shamoanjac	trying...
19:01	Hijiri	tables are identified with their location, as I mentioned during our argument
19:02	Hijiri	so actually every fresh {} will be unequal from each other
19:02	T4im	yea, new identity
19:02	Hijiri	you can (ab)use it to make short-lived unique identifiers
19:02	T4im	it's mostly (ab)used to reserve memory unintentionally until minetest is closed though
19:03	T4im	;)
19:03	Nosrick	Well, this is irritating.
19:03	Nosrick	Only Players have the is_player() function.
19:03	Nosrick	So I can't get call it on mobs.
19:03	Hijiri	there is is_player on all SAOs
19:03	Hijiri	it would be pointless if they were only on players
19:04	Hijiri	more accurately there is is_player on all ObjRefs
19:04	Hijiri	ObjectRefs
19:05	Nosrick	I tried that, but got a nil value.
19:05	T4im	Nosrick: ":" for calling things on ObjecrRefs
19:05	thePalindrome	is_player() returns nil for objectrefs
19:05	T4im	x)
19:06	T4im	nosrick: use ":" for calling things on objects, and "." for namespaces
19:06	Nosrick	Ah, thank you.
19:06	Nosrick	"Attempt to call 'is_player' (a nil value"
19:06	Nosrick	Why might that be?
19:07	Hijiri	I don't know, paste your code
19:07	T4im	are you calling it on the luaentity instead of the objectref?
19:07	Hijiri	(on a paste site)
19:07	T4im	you might have to do entity.object:is_player()
19:07	Nosrick	That's probably it.
19:07	Nosrick	As it's a self reference.
19:09	Hijiri	the self in entity callbacks is always a luaentity
19:09	Nosrick	Ah, okay.
19:09	Nosrick	Well, doing .object worked, either way.
19:09	Nosrick	Heroism now triggers!
19:10	Nosrick	Bonus damage, ahoy!
19:10	T4im	and if you want to make that proper log msg's look into minetest.log()
19:10	T4im	:)
19:10	Nosrick	Nah, I'm just debugging.
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19:18	agaran	something like table.empty() would be neat..
19:18	agaran	i mean to check if table is empty
19:19	T4im	#mytable?
19:19	T4im	and next(mytable)
19:19	T4im	depending what type of table
19:19	T4im	i.e. that already exists :P
19:19	agaran	hmm.. returns 0 when there are no elements.. oh, I did not even know about next()
19:19	T4im	next is for key-balue pairs
19:20	T4im	essentialyl what pairs() uses
19:20	agaran	I mostly use pairs (or ipairs)
19:20	rubenwardy	wouldn't next() work on either?
19:20	T4im	it returns nil when there are no further left or the, well, next element (no guarantee of order)
19:20	T4im	hm
19:20	T4im	yea
19:20	rubenwardy	as arrays are just dictionaries with numeric indice
19:20	rubenwardy	+s
19:20	T4im	but if it's just a list, then # would probably be faster
19:21	T4im	since it's just a lookup of an index variable
19:21	T4im	not quite sure how next() handles it internally
19:21	rubenwardy	true
19:21	Hijiri	if next() is constant time it could be faster asymptotically
19:21	Hijiri	since # takes log time to find the highest index
19:21	T4im	hm?
19:22	Hijiri	I think it uses an exponential search
19:22	T4im	afaik # just looks up an index variable and doesn't search
19:22	rubenwardy	# could be constant time if the size is prestored
19:22	T4im	that variable is also used to assign the next entry for example
19:22	Hijiri	I thought it wasn't prestored
19:22	T4im	i think you could even access it before as "n"
19:22	T4im	i.e mytable.n x)
19:23	Hijiri	before, as in not anymore?
19:23	agaran	now you are speaking about lua magic, right?
19:23	T4im	i think it was deprecated, but let me look when, since 5.1. isn't so new either, everythign is possibel x)
19:23	Hijiri	lua size operator has strange behavior on tables with holes, because of its search algorithm
19:24	shamoanjac	how can Lua complain about a "global variable" being nil if it's clearly complaining about self.<variable> ?
19:24	Hijiri	shamoanjac: I think calls using : will search global variables if indexing the table finds nothing
19:24	Hijiri	maybe, I don't remember
19:24	T4im	ah, here, 5.0 removed the reference
19:24	shamoanjac	uh
19:24	shamoanjac	but my table does exist
19:25	T4im	so the index is accessable only by "#"
19:25	Hijiri	http://www.freelists.org/post/luajit/table-is-not-O1,9
19:25	shamoanjac	invited_players = {}
19:25	shamoanjac	it's right there
19:25	shamoanjac	reeeeeeeeee
19:25	Hijiri	T4im: it's not an index, # has to compute the length
19:25	T4im	wouldn't that mean they removed the index entirely?
19:25	T4im	why would they do that :o
19:25	Hijiri	maybe it's a different index
19:25	Hijiri	for the total number of keys, rather than "array length"
19:26	Hijiri	I don't know exactly how the table is represented so I don't know whether it would make sense to have that
19:27	T4im	well, since insert, remove, ipairs all stop on a hole anyway, having a field increase or reduce on removal/insertion and # return wouldn't be the craziest idea
19:28	T4im	i don't think that # counts pass holes either, does it?
19:28	Hijiri	# is undefined for arrays with holes
19:29	T4im	past*
19:29	Hijiri	if you use exponential search, the search might find some non-nil value that is after some holes
19:29	agaran	so if array is list of nets, then if one net gets empty I should not remove it but instead assign empty array there, to preserve slot but with empty content?
19:29	Hijiri	It looks like the array portion has a preallocated amount though, so it probably uses ordinary binary search because it already has bounds
19:29	Hijiri	that could still find the wrong length if there are holes though
19:30	Hijiri	agaran: you could keep track of size yourself
19:30	Hijiri	or keep the list dense
19:30	T4im	actually it's defined: "The length of a table t is defined to be any integer index n such that t[n] is not nil and t[n+1] is nil"
19:30	Hijiri	oh
19:30	agaran	Hijiri: it is not problem with size in that case, but that I use ipairs() extensivelly.. so I want to keep them dense
19:30	Hijiri	well it's not fully-defined
19:31	Hijiri	but it's more defined than I implied
19:31	T4im	well there are more details where that stands
19:31	Hijiri	agaran: you could not rely on ipairs as much
19:31	agaran	Hijiri: true, but that need to get some better idea as an replacement
19:32	Hijiri	If it's a map from network IDs to network infos, you could just use pairs
19:32	T4im	no preallocation, Hijiri, but i think it indeed allocates for the array and the hash part individually, but not 100% sure about htat
19:32	T4im	it doubles the allocation each time it runs out
19:32	Hijiri	T4im: this SO answer: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/23590885/why-does-luas-length-operator-return-unexpected-values says it preallocates the next power of 2
19:32	Hijiri	yes
19:33	Hijiri	agaran: If it is a map from IDs to infos you also don't want to compact the list, because the IDs will change
19:33	Hijiri	I don't know if that is how it is set up though
19:34	agaran	Hijiri: yep.. that too.. need to think how to do it in good way
19:34	Hijiri	you can have a separate map mapping IDs to actual indices in the dense list
19:34	Hijiri	then when you move things around you can change that
19:34	T4im	maybe this is another terminology problem, but wouldn't that be post allocation? I'd expect preallocation to be what you can do on the C side, "give me a table with 10 allocated entries" kind of thing
19:35	T4im	which is not exposed to lua, interestingly, although the functionality exists
19:35	agaran	basically I have list of nets, using index as netnumber that is kept in metadata of nodes that belong to that.. hmm.. two lists, but then searching for certain net-number may be slowish a bit?
19:35	Hijiri	T4im: I don't think preallocation is a technical term, but if we take its meaning as "allocating beforehand", then it is preallocating 2^whatever spaces
19:36	Hijiri	Would it not be preallocation if it was C saying to "give me a table with 2^whatever entries"?
19:36	Hijiri	(in some helper functions)
19:36	agaran	maybe I just try to keep current state, and if problems arise I'll try to work with them, because now I may get stuck in premature optimization..
19:36	T4im	lua_createtable allows you to allocate more than 1 for an empty table, that's what i meant with preallocation
19:36	Hijiri	agaran: not two lists
19:37	Hijiri	agaran: One list to actually hold the nets, and another table that maps IDs to list indices
19:37	Hijiri	T4im: alright
19:37	T4im	"Creates a new empty table and pushes it onto the stack. The new table has space pre-allocated for narr array elements and nrec non-array elements."
19:37	Hijiri	that description doesn't say that it is the only valid usage of the term "pre-allocation", though
19:37	Darkside_	almost sounds like partitioning a hardrive
19:37	T4im	well, my point being, on the lua side you can't quite do that :/
19:38	agaran	Hijiri: hmm, that makes sense but I need to understand how I can code that..
19:38	Hijiri	T4im: was there a point to that point?
19:38	Hijiri	my original reason for mentioning preallocation was to say that the length search already knows the bounds of the array
19:38	Hijiri	it doesn't matter if lua can do it
19:39	Hijiri	agaran: keep track of the last index (or you can calculate it using #), and when you insert a new element, insert into the list, but also make an entry in the map from the ID to the index
19:39	Hijiri	you will also need to keep track of which indices go to which network IDs
19:39	Hijiri	this can be in the network infos, or you could keep yet another table
19:39	Hijiri	another table would slightly increase memory usage, but would be faster
19:40	Hijiri	but also it would be uglier, though you will probably be abstracting this with functions anyway
19:40	agaran	Hijiri: I'll try, sounds promising and I guess since I have helpers already to add/remove net it is not that bad
19:41	Hijiri	agaran: alright, good luck
19:41	agaran	Hijiri: luck will be needed, some lua skills improvement I guess as well might help
19:42	Darkside_	this channel helps learning and understanding it a bit :)
19:42	Darkside_	and there guides too :)
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19:54	T4im	seems like next() also isn't O(1) either
19:55	* T4im	headscratches
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20:01	Nosrick	I have a cunning plan
20:02	Nosrick	I can iterate over the registered entity list, and change their on_punch to include my on_punch.
20:02	T4im	quick microbenchmark next vs # https://i.imgur.com/sOWRVlt.png up to tablesize of 1000
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20:04	Hijiri	I see, I guess I was wrong
20:04	Hijiri	well not technically, since I qualified my statement
20:05	T4im	you were right about "#" x)
20:05	T4im	just next seems to be pretty much doing the same thing
20:05	Hijiri	yeah, and probably has extra overhead from being a function call
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20:06	Hijiri	though in LuaJIT that might be optimized away (?)
20:07	T4im	possible, next does return more than an index though, it returns the actual entry
20:07	T4im	so there might actually be more work involved
20:07	T4im	but negligible
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20:08	Hijiri	I don't think it would be more work. In the case of # you need to check if something is nil, so you end up grabbing the element anyway
20:08	T4im	ok, true
20:09	T4im	well, about half of that difference is actually from accidentally doing a global lookup on next, but even with it getting from the stack it looks pretty much the same (just a bit closer together)
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20:44	agrecascino	hey shamoanjac, is the rewrite finished?
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20:52	shamoanjac	hey agrecascino
20:52	shamoanjac	I'm fixing bugs
20:53	shamoanjac	you know how Lua can be with nil values
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20:53	agrecascino	shamoanjac, every language needs static typing
20:53	shamoanjac	yeah but
20:53	shamoanjac	Lua has been especially harsh on me today
20:54	agrecascino	make function for compairing to
20:54	agrecascino	comparing*
20:54	agrecascino	nil
20:57	Nosrick	Anyone here ever played Master of Magic?
20:57	Darkside_	https://github.com/minetest-mods/lightning nice mod :) merged it with my own mod removed some lines of code for register_node fire:dying_flame to stop crash at startup
20:58	Darkside_	merged another random_audio mod for extra thunderstorm sound effects, now i got nice thunderstorms with lightning going on :)
20:59	Darkside_	Sofar did a nice job on that mod :)
21:00	Nosrick	I might use it for lightning bolts in my mod.
21:05	Darkside_	it looks realy nice at night time as it lights up whole the sky, and you can actually get hit by lightning and be killed if low on hearts wich is a nice feature ;)
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21:06	Hijiri	I thought it was a bit jarring when it occurs during daytime
21:08	Darkside_	seems to function perfectly fine on mt 0.4.14 win32 emulated in linux :)
21:09	thePalindrome	?
21:09	thePalindrome	Why would you run it through wine? You a masochist or something?
21:09	thePalindrome	You probably use systemd too :P
21:10	shamoanjac	poettering
21:10	shamoanjac	putting the D in systemD
21:11	thePalindrome	Hey, my system doesn't have the d
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21:12	Darkside_	Microsoft windows is not working for me anymore got so sick of it now playing with Linux :)
21:12	thePalindrome	Minetest has a linux binary, besides, you should use your package manager :P
21:14	Darkside_	i hated those pop-up balloons in windows most of all, always stating the obvious :/
21:14	thePalindrome	heh
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21:15	Nosrick	I'm confused. I'm getting an attempt to call a nil value on a player object, when trying to call get_player_name()
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21:15	Nosrick	I've tried using . and :
21:16	shamoanjac	maybe player is nil
21:16	Nosrick	I've got a check for that.
21:16	Nosrick	It passes.
21:16	shamoanjac	maybe player is a string
21:16	shamoanjac	not an ObjectRef
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21:16	agrecascino	try player.object?
21:16	shamoanjac	that's like the single most common source of calling nil values in my sources
21:16	shamoanjac	treating player strings as player objects
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21:17	shamoanjac	or faction strings as faction tables
21:17	Nosrick	Tried player.object, that's nil.
21:17	Nosrick	I think I see what I did wrong. Somewhere down the line, there's a : when there should be a .
21:17	Nosrick	So a self is polluting my parameters.
21:18	Nosrick	Yup, that was it!
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21:40	Darkside_	minetest.register_node("darkcraft:bloodstone", "darkcraft:witchstone", "darkcraft:goblinstone", {
21:40	Darkside_	i wonder if node registration can be nested like that, gonna try it soon
21:43	Hijiri	no
21:44	Darkside_	node description is gonna be difficult to add for each single node that way too, i would not know how heh
21:46	shamoanjac	question
21:46	shamoanjac	if I do
21:46	shamoanjac	factions.chunks[chunkpos] = self.name
21:46	shamoanjac	and the line right after than, I check #(factions.chunks)
21:46	shamoanjac	why is it 0?
21:46	shamoanjac	knowing that self.name isn't nil (checked)
21:49	Nosrick	Because it might have holes in it
21:49	Nosrick	I think
21:49	Nosrick	I'm not sure #table deals well with holes.
21:51	shamoanjac	3>factions.chunks[chunkpos] = self.name
21:51	shamoanjac	oops
21:51	shamoanjac	3>the length of a table t is only defined if the table is a sequence
21:51	shamoanjac	well
21:51	shamoanjac	ok
21:51	shamoanjac	nice, how do I check my bug now
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21:53	shamoanjac	values are not being stored in my table
21:53	shamoanjac	just, why
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21:58	Nosrick	How are you inserting them?
21:58	shamoanjac	factions.chunks[chunkpos] = self.name
21:58	shamoanjac	like that
21:59	Nosrick	And trying to access them in the same way doesn't return anything?
21:59	shamoanjac	yep
21:59	shamoanjac	it returns nil
21:59	Nosrick	Weird.
21:59	shamoanjac	I'm trying to see if the keys really match
22:00	shamoanjac	but so far it seems they are
22:00	Nosrick	Run this on your table: https://gist.github.com/Nosrick/94e6a811a9b225bcebf6540b028e20d7
22:00	shamoanjac	as an anectod the keys are tables of 2 floats
22:00	Nosrick	>floats
22:00	shamoanjac	coordinates
22:00	Nosrick	There's your problem.
22:00	shamoanjac	it shouldn't
22:00	shamoanjac	someone here said keys could be anything
22:00	Nosrick	If I recall correctly, Lua doesn't actually have a very good float comparison.
22:01	shamoanjac	I guess I'll have to translate to a string every time
22:01	Nosrick	That might be the best way to do it.
22:01	Nosrick	If that doesn't work, it could be down to tiny rounding errors.
22:01	Nosrick	I think Python has the same problem.
22:01	Nosrick	And so does Godot.
22:01	sfan5	shamoanjac: i have never seen anyone use anything else than integers or strings as table indexes
22:02	sfan5	i would not rely on e.g. floats to index a table
22:03	Hijiri	shamoanjac: # gets the size of the "array" part of the table, which is the numerical keys part
22:03	Hijiri	and the length may not be too useful if there are holes in the array part
22:04	Hijiri	integer keys
22:04	shamoanjac	yay it works
22:04	Nosrick	Congrats!
22:04	shamoanjac	yeah that's what I read in the 5.2 doc
22:05	shamoanjac	kinda sucks
22:05	Nosrick	So did you use strings in the end?
22:05	shamoanjac	yes
22:05	Nosrick	Excellent.
22:05	shamoanjac	not a big fan of the solution, but heh, if it does the trick...
22:05	Hijiri	also the issue here isn't with floats but with using tables as keys
22:06	sfan5	tables as keys?
22:06	sfan5	wat
22:06	Hijiri	table values in lua are references to tables, so to be equal they have to point to the same table
22:06	sfan5	could have told you from the start that it doesn't work
22:07	Hijiri	If you later construct another table with the same contents it will be a different table and using it as an index will take you somewhere else
22:08	shamoanjac	this language lacks tuples
22:08	sfan5	you would have exactly the same problem with tuples
22:08	agrecascino	shamoanjac,
22:08	sfan5	what it lacks is a way to hash objects
22:08	shamoanjac	no, tuples are immutable
22:08	sfan5	which could then be used to index tables
22:08	shamoanjac	(at least in Python)
22:08	sfan5	they may be
22:08	shamoanjac	agrecascino,
22:08	agrecascino	the math i did to get chunks previously was math.floor(pos.x/16.0),math.floor(pos.y/16.0)
22:09	shamoanjac	yes, I've got that
22:09	sfan5	but creating two tuples with the same contents can still yield different objects
22:09	shamoanjac	now I think I've deleted the part where you cannot edit on the claimed chunks lel
22:09	sfan5	!c id((1, 2, 3))
22:09	MinetestBot	NameError: name 'id' is not defined
22:09	shamoanjac	yeah but the hash() is the same
22:09	sfan5	!py id((1, 2, 3))
22:09	MinetestBot	139660257270088
22:09	sfan5	!py id((1, 2, 3))
22:09	MinetestBot	139660257166248
22:09	agrecascino	!c print("kill yourself")
22:09	MinetestBot	NameError: name 'print' is not defined
22:09	Void7	sfan5: hash?
22:09	shamoanjac	so I thought Lua would just hash() the tuples
22:09	sfan5	^ shamoanjac same tuple different object
22:10	Hijiri	sfan5: it would depend on the semantics of lua tuples
22:10	Void7	!py hash((1, 2, 3))
22:10	Hijiri	they don't exist so we can't day anything about them
22:10	Hijiri	say*
22:10	agrecascino	!c
22:10	MinetestBot	agrecascino: Nothing to calculate.
22:10	shamoanjac	I've used tuples a couple times as map keys
22:10	sfan5	i'd expect them to implement it the same as python
22:10	sfan5	shamoanjac: yes
22:10	agrecascino	!py prnt("kys")
22:10	sfan5	but what you need is not only immutable tuples
22:10	agrecascino	!py prnt("kys")
22:11	sfan5	you also need hashing of objects
22:11	shamoanjac	!py """Test"""
22:11	shamoanjac	yeah
22:11	Hijiri	sfan5: Does equaltiy for tuples in python use id?
22:11	sfan5	no
22:11	shamoanjac	that would be is
22:11	sfan5	!c (1, 2, 3) == (1, 2, 3)
22:11	MinetestBot	True
22:11	agrecascino	i should really actually hold my keyboard while typing
22:11	sfan5	!c (1, 2, 3) id (1, 2, 3)
22:11	MinetestBot	SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
22:11	sfan5	!c (1, 2, 3) is (1, 2, 3)
22:11	MinetestBot	False
22:11	sfan5	^ Hijiri
22:11	Hijiri	Lua tables follow that equal keys give the same value
22:11	Hijiri	so if tuples were similar it would do that
22:13	Hijiri	well maybe not if the __equal metamethod is used, but if tuples are primitive and use primitive ==, it should work like I meant
22:13	shamoanjac	agrecascino, how did you add protection for claiming?
22:14	shamoanjac	I can't find that line anymore
22:14	agrecascino	shamoanjac, err
22:14	Hijiri	You could even have tuple interning since they are immutable like strings
22:14	Hijiri	though that would differ from python
22:14	agrecascino	old_is_protected = minetest.is_protected
22:14	agrecascino	function minetest.is_protected(pos,name)
22:14	agrecascino	local player = minetest.get_player_by_name(name)
22:14	agrecascino	if factionsmod.testifallowed(pos,player) ~= true then
22:14	agrecascino	return true
22:15	agrecascino	end
22:15	agrecascino	return old_is_protected(pos,name)
22:15	agrecascino	end
22:15	Hijiri	use a paste site
22:15	Hijiri	shouldn't that be local old_is_protected
22:15	Hijiri	unless that is a table key or something
22:15	agrecascino	it should
22:16	shamoanjac	k thanks
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22:20	shamoanjac	ONCE AGAIN
22:20	shamoanjac	SELF.FIELD IS A NIL VALUE
22:20	shamoanjac	EVEN IF CLEARLY DECLARED
22:21	shamoanjac	oops no it wasn't
22:21	shamoanjac	lel
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22:34	popbob	eya, just a quick question, what's the purpose of minetest? Like we already have minecraft? im curious :)
22:34	xunto	popbob: mincraft is proprietary
22:34	popbob	So mostly for open-source crossplatform freedom? :)
22:35	xunto	Minecraft still have no modding api, as i know)
22:35	popbob	yea, that's pretty cool :P
22:35	xunto	popbob: mostly, I think, but it gives a lot.
22:36	popbob	Just played my first world, seems pretty cool, got a much better 'base' than minecrafts terrible java 'engine' I guess you could say
22:36	shamoanjac	agrecascino, claiming is now working
22:36	xunto	popbob: I even made some fixes myself. I wouldn't do it for minecraft, as example
22:36	shamoanjac	so do most commands
22:36	shamoanjac	now I just have to fix the load() function
22:37	xunto	popbob: but it's not ready yet(
22:37	xunto	Far from ready.
22:37	popbob	yea, I like it though :)
22:38	xunto	But it fits good for our comming roleplay server. So, I already like it. :D
22:39	popbob	hmm I like the idea behind it, I only know python though :c lol
22:40	xunto	You will hate lua after python if you try modding api :D
22:41	shamoanjac	can confirm
22:41	popbob	hahaha
22:41	agrecascino	shamoanjac, now we just need to make aconverter
22:41	shamoanjac	until now I had only used Python for scripting
22:41	shamoanjac	and some bash
22:41	shamoanjac	yes
22:45	agrecascino	shamoanjac, is the latest version on the github
22:45	agrecascino	?
22:47	shamoanjac	no
22:47	shamoanjac	and don't use the one I've PR'd, it's full of syntax errors
22:48	shamoanjac	not to mention the million bugs I've fixed the last hours
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23:02	shamoanjac	now for some reason chunks are being stored as booleans
23:02	shamoanjac	oh, right
23:02	shamoanjac	AH
23:02	shamoanjac	GOT IT
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23:03	shamoanjac	get rekt Lua
23:03	shamoanjac	I beat you once again
23:03	shamoanjac	with your nils
23:03	shamoanjac	and your tables
23:03	shamoanjac	.\|.
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23:32	Nosrick	Quick question: how do I override the player's on_punch function?
23:33	shamoanjac	as a quick guess
23:33	shamoanjac	minetest.get_player_by_name("name").on_punch = function(whatever) [...]
23:34	shamoanjac	there must be a better way, though
23:35	Nosrick	I'm doing it on player join. Is that wise/safe?
23:35	shamoanjac	I'd say yes
23:35	shamoanjac	3>factions.lua:102: attempt to call method "on_unclaim_chunks"
23:36	shamoanjac	3>line 102 is "self:on_unclaim_chunk(chunkpos)"
23:36	shamoanjac	4just
23:36	shamoanjac	is it just not taking my file
23:40	shamoanjac	oh, I think I know
23:40	nuzzle	and that's why
23:40	prrpx	and that's why
23:41	prrpx	dynamically typing is a bad idea
23:41	shamoanjac	since I save the factions by serializing them, and I don't use metatables
23:41	shamoanjac	THEN
23:41	prrpx	and lua is a shit
23:41	prrpx	do you feel the pain now
23:41	prrpx	can you feel the pain
23:41	shamoanjac	THEN THE FUNCTIONS CODE IS SAVED
23:41	shamoanjac	SO I HAVE TO DELETE FACTIONS TO MODIFY A FUNCTION
23:41	shamoanjac	UNLESS I USE METATABLES
23:41	shamoanjac	I didn't want to
23:41	shamoanjac	I guess I have no choice
23:41	T4im	just use metatables then, its not rocket science
23:41	prrpx	can you feel the pain of dynamic typing
23:41	prrpx	can you feel the pain of _G
23:41	T4im	x)
23:42	prrpx	can you feel the pain of TABLES
23:42	shamoanjac	wtf i hate lua now
23:42	prrpx	how can you not like lua tables
23:42	prrpx	tables can do anything
23:42	T4im	everyone hates lua, i bet the lua developers hate it
23:42	T4im	no reason to give up
23:42	prrpx	T4im: there are only two lua developers
23:42	shamoanjac	why is Lua chosen for games?
23:42	prrpx	they're working in a bubble
23:43	prrpx	and don't give a shit about anyone else
23:43	shamoanjac	Lua = Portuguese = Brazil = StephenLynx = JavascriptChan
23:43	thePalindrome	Lua was chosen for the scripting language because it's cross-platform, safe, and not complete garbage
23:43	shamoanjac	I have some objection in respect to the "not complete garbage" part
23:44	T4im	you know the metatables are one of the nice things about it, shamoanjac :D
23:44	xunto	Just like python
23:44	prrpx	should've gone for lisp
23:44	prrpx	emacs lisp
23:44	shamoanjac	^
23:44	shamoanjac	Scheme
23:44	prrpx	scheme is a mess
23:44	shamoanjac	stfu
23:44	prrpx	common lisp
23:44	prrpx	newlisp
23:44	shamoanjac	SICP = Scheme
23:44	prrpx	yea scheme has
23:44	shamoanjac	GNU Image Manipulation Program = Scheme
23:44	prrpx	literally a hundred standards tho
23:44	shamoanjac	Audacity = Scheme
23:44	shamoanjac	MIT Scheme
23:44	shamoanjac	obviously
23:45	shamoanjac	because Stallman
23:45	shamoanjac	RECAREDVS MATHEVS STALLMANVS REX SOFTVVARVM LIBERA
23:50	Hijiri	Nosrick: register_on_punchplayer
23:50	Hijiri	players don't have an on_punch like entities do
23:51	Nosrick	Ah, thank you!
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23:53	agrecascino	why don't we just add a c++ api
23:54	agrecascino	and somehow compile on runtime
23:55	prrpx	haven't u heard
23:55	prrpx	c++ is obsolete
23:56	prrpx	also, sounds like a pain in the ass
23:56	agrecascino	rewrite it in borrow checker the language
23:56	prrpx	considering c++ ABI is a bi-itch
23:56	agrecascino	AMI RITE GUIS IS 2016
23:56	prrpx	RIIR 4 life dude
23:57	agrecascino	i really love having a language where i want to die in the process of making global variables
23:58	thePalindrome	Not to mention that if you do that most minetest mods will be linux only
23:58	thePalindrome	Because windows is for dweebs
23:58	thePalindrome	It's also harder to sandbox

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