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Tiktalik |
hey guys, I just had an interesting idea for a mod |
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Tiktalik |
a mod that lets you trade away space for resources |
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Tiktalik |
as in, permanently |
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Tiktalik |
by using the thing, it would render part of your world eternally unusable and give you stuff |
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Hijiri |
sounds like there would be too much land to be balanced in singleplayer |
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Hijiri |
in multiplayer you would be taking away land that other people could use and it would be a race to the bottom |
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Hijiri |
Could be interesting to have a mod that gives you a permanent personal disability in exchange for something |
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Hijiri |
like making questionable pacts with evil things |
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Hijiri |
or you could replace some of your organs with cybernetics to sidegrade your body |
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[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Builtin: Change error to warning for light_source > 14 2b0492d https://git.io/viHeW (2016-09-21T06:54:22+01:00) |
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[git] everamzah -> minetest/minetest: Increase default font size by 1 aa64322 https://git.io/viHel (2016-09-21T06:53:53+01:00) |
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[git] rubenwardy -> minetest/minetest: Warn if container is not closed 95b79aa https://git.io/viHe8 (2016-09-21T06:52:04+01:00) |
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[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Builtin: Change error to warning for light_source > 14 5091cb5 https://git.io/viHe7 (2016-09-21T08:04:11+02:00) |
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[git] everamzah -> minetest/minetest: Increase default font size by 1 679c8de https://git.io/viHe5 (2016-09-21T08:04:11+02:00) |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy International Day of Peace! 😃 ☮ |
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buttatoes |
I need to modify my .config file so minetest works on my low memory mobile device |
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buttatoes |
I have about 200 Megabits to play with |
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Megaf |
Good morning |
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buttatoes |
good morning |
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buttatoes |
riots in the usa have me unnerved so I'm trying to focus on minetest |
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Megaf |
I can help you with the config file |
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Megaf |
Also, I further improve the server for mobile |
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Megaf |
!server Megaf |
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Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 6ms |
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buttatoes |
thanks for both. are you reducing server quality to achieve improvements? |
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Megaf |
buttatoes: by the way. Farming is totally fixed now. We can cook potatoes again |
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buttatoes |
thanks I enjoy potatoes :D |
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Megaf |
buttatoes: I reducing its performance in some aspects yes, but not overall gameplay quality |
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Megaf |
DMan is also on mobile, it's important for me that him and other mobiles players have a good experience. |
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buttatoes |
ok, I was afraid you were making changes just for me |
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Megaf |
Nope, but I often do make changes for a single person yes. |
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buttatoes |
The game crashes just as it starts to initialize nodes |
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Megaf |
daZe used to have a terrible internet connection. So for him I had reduced package size, the distance the server sends blocks and other changes. Totally worth it, he built amazing stuff |
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buttatoes |
nice |
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Calinou |
did you publish full mod source code so that Richard Stallman can play on your server? :) |
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buttatoes |
that's because you're a great admin Megaf. unlike calinou who shut down his light server |
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buttatoes |
:p joking |
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Calinou |
it was a waste of server resources to keep my server up |
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Calinou |
the world was a total mess, nobody protected their builds |
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Megaf |
Lol Calinou, he could actually join, I'd give my servers source code on request |
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buttatoes |
one day I'll get back into moding when I decide to be less lazy. maybe godot and blender too so I can bug calinou on all fronts |
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Megaf |
Heh |
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Megaf |
Oh man, how I wish I could install more ram on my phone |
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Megaf |
Because of terribly coded crap software like Skype that alone will eat all the ram itself |
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buttatoes |
yeah cheap phones suck but I can't see paying good money for something I could drop in the toilet |
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Megaf |
My phone is not cheap. Just not new :/ |
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Megaf |
Peace JamesTait ! 😠|
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buttatoes |
AFK, little doggy attack |
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Megaf |
Must have been a devastating attack. |
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Megaf |
man, mozilla nightly, version 51, is so much faster then chrome, it's crazy |
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Megaf |
version 52 actually |
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Megaf |
52.0a1 (2016-09-20) (64-bit) |
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CWz |
Megaf, I am at version 38 |
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CWz |
*48 |
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Megaf |
CWz: that's the stable isnt it\/ |
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Megaf |
? |
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CWz |
yeah |
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* CWz |
wonders where's the nightly ppa |
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Megaf |
I just get the tarball from mozilla |
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Megaf |
Minetest doesnt work on my phone, it crashes upon launch |
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Megaf |
Minetest has stopped |
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Megaf |
I think it's not built for Intel, just ARM, my phone has Intel CPU |
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Megaf |
lol, I have no idea why or where is coming from but the audio the the Elephants Dream has just begun playing on my laptop |
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Calinou |
Megaf: yeah we don't have x86 builds currently, IIRC |
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Megaf |
I just have Quassel, GNOME terminal and Firefox open, and in firefox just messenger.com web.skype.com and gmail open |
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Megaf |
very very very weird |
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Megaf |
I have the web IDE open too, and installed the firefox OS simulator |
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Megaf |
still, nothing explains The Elephants Dream audio playing in the background |
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* Megaf |
is confused |
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Calinou |
once I visited a website and My Little Pony fan music started playing |
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Calinou |
._. |
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Megaf |
"Listen to the sounds of the machine" |
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Megaf |
Calinou: I don't have regular websites opened |
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Megaf |
maybe it's just an easter egg in firefox dev? |
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Calinou |
I use Firefox Developer Edition, no issues with that :P |
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Megaf |
Calinou: closed the IDE and the audio stopped |
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Megaf |
how crazy is that |
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Fixer |
Calinou: you was in headphones? |
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Calinou: when I start the Firefox OS 2.6 TV the Elephants Dream audio begins to play |
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Fixer: I always have headphones on desktop PC |
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Megaf |
Freeminer doesnt work either, same thing, "Unfortunetally Freeminer has stopped" |
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Megaf |
proller: ^ |
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Megaf |
just a second after lunch or launch |
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Megaf |
!g lunch |
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MinetestBot |
Megaf: Problem getting data from Google. |
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Megaf |
lunch and lunch, hm |
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proller |
yet another bug 8( |
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Calinou |
Google has no problem getting data from you though 8) |
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Volkj |
hi all, based on your server's management, how do you felt data safety in databases back-end like redis and leveldb compared to default's sqlite? |
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Megaf |
I feel pretty good with sqlite |
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Volkj |
my experience on leveldb, outside faster mapgen on singleplayer, gave me a corrupted map while testing a mod that crashed minetest for its errors. Hoping it wasn't related |
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yusf[m] |
I'm good with SQLite on 10 player server |
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Megaf |
sqlite is pretty reliable |
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Megaf |
in events of crashes |
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Calinou |
SQLite has synchronous stuff that makes it nuclear-bomb-proof, but also slow |
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Calinou |
if you disable it, it can be up to 50 times faster |
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Calinou |
(sqlite_synchronous = 0) |
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STHGOM |
nuclear bomb proof? |
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* Megaf |
uses 1 |
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Megaf |
very save against server crashes, not so safe against OS crash, but safe enough still |
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Megaf |
0 still somewhat safe against server crash but not safe at all against OS crash |
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Megaf |
2 = bomb proof, chances to corrupt the map are very small |
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Megaf |
I actually crashed my server a lot in around 3 years that I used 0, never corrupted the map, and had some ugly OS crashes too, map still fine |
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Megaf |
(as far as I know) |
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Megaf |
but in the past, with other server, I got corruption even using 2 |
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STHGOM |
so what happens to a corrupted map? |
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Megaf |
so there's luck too |
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Megaf |
STHGOM: sometimes the server will not even start, will just throw an error |
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STHGOM |
ouch |
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moparisthebest |
does anyone know if there is a way to increase the spawn rate for mobf, or the animals_modpack thing? |
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moparisthebest |
I'm assuming at expense of CPU but I'm fine with that |
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Megaf |
I'm not really sure if actually managed to fix the map |
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Megaf |
I had other server that would crash every single time a player walked near the part of the map that was corrupted. This was using LevelDB |
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Volkj |
seems map corruption goes by luck, or better: speed or reliability, choose one |
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Volkj |
sqlite as more secure but slower, leveldb as faster but more insecure - at least i got that |
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Megaf |
It's kind like that yes |
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moparisthebest |
wouldn't redis be better than both? |
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Megaf |
And lots of tools will only work if your map is sqlite |
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Megaf |
moparisthebest: what would happen if there's any hickup between server and db server? |
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Megaf |
Minetest is extremely sensitive |
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moparisthebest |
why would there be? |
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moparisthebest |
redis has proven rock solid on loads far higher than minetest could ever be |
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moparisthebest |
and a TCP connection to localhost is as reliable as writing to the filesystem surely? |
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Megaf |
I don't know |
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moparisthebest |
in my opinion redis is perfect for this kind of thing |
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Megaf |
I'm actually curious in trying PostgreSQL on a different server over the internet |
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Megaf |
Redis takes its speed from RAM. It's good if you have loads of it |
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Megaf |
I don't |
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moparisthebest |
ram is cheap |
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Volkj |
redisdb security however... it isn't a set-and-forget db |
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moparisthebest |
but yea, different use cases |
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moparisthebest |
why not Volkj ? listen on localhost and done? |
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Volkj |
yup moparisthebest, needs a bit of attention, giving a pair of links for more http://antirez.com/news/96 https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-secure-your-redis-installation-on-ubuntu-14-04 |
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moparisthebest |
Volkj: but neither is any concern if you just listen on localhost |
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Megaf |
So I just installed win10 on my laptop |
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Megaf |
It's terrible. I had forgotten how slow and frustrating windows is |
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Megaf |
Spend a |
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Krock |
nothing more to expect on a P4 |
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Megaf |
Spend a lot of time in the privacy area just disabling things. Then I disabled a lot of auto start crap |
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nm0i |
Then disable windows10 |
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Krock |
remove ntldr in C:\ |
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Megaf |
And windows update just stays on searching for updates |
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Megaf |
And when I go to reboot/shutdown I get that "please wait, installing updates" |
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KaadmY |
wait |
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Megaf |
And the same when I start the laptop |
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KaadmY |
you need to update to reboot..? |
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moparisthebest |
I have a small map on a server (max_block_generate_distance = 500) can I set anything in the server or client to make it send the client basically all blocks at once? |
| 17:00 |
moparisthebest |
rather than having to fly around to load the whole map? |
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KaadmY |
i think map_block_generate_distance is in 80x80x80 chunks |
| 17:01 |
KaadmY |
that's just what i remember, might be wrong |
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Megaf |
moparisthebest: max block send distance 500 |
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moparisthebest |
the map is generated, but it's not all sending |
| 17:01 |
Megaf |
That's the option you want |
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moparisthebest |
max_block_send_distance = 500 |
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Krock |
moparisthebest, that's insane. change back to 10 |
| 17:01 |
moparisthebest |
that is set, but it's still not loading |
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Volkj |
P4 still go strong, on their limits (and heat) |
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Megaf |
But you cave to increase the |
| 17:02 |
Megaf |
The.. |
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KaadmY |
that's 40k nodes btw |
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Krock |
Volkj, well then. Celeron D family |
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moparisthebest |
also max_forceloaded_blocks = 500, max_simultaneous_block_sends_per_client = 1000, max_simultaneous_block_sends_server_total = 4000 |
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Krock |
gawd |
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KaadmY |
which is larger than the entire world |
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Megaf |
Emerge queue or something |
| 17:02 |
Megaf |
3 lines. One of them is disk only |
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moparisthebest |
max_packets_per_iteration = 10240 |
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moparisthebest |
ah emerge queue, let me try that |
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Volkj |
Krock: northwood here, minetest takes half an hour to compile but it's acceptable, kinda |
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Megaf |
Set to like 20000 to all 3 lines |
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Megaf |
Simultaneous per client can be 4 |
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Krock |
Volkj, took 20 mins with the 3.06 GHz one I had |
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Krock |
now it's near to 8 mins with the AMD Athlon 64 4000+ |
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Krock |
(same setup) |
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est |
Megaf: you made me start my windows VM |
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Megaf |
est: whoops |
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est |
I regularly update all things there to not get a virus the instant i start it |
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est |
seems firefox is broken, and I guess its win10's fault |
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Megaf |
I'd use VM but my CPU is too slow for that |
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Krock |
> regularly update all things |
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* Krock |
uses Win XP |
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* Krock |
laughts |
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Megaf |
Firefox stable, opera and chrome going well here on win10 |
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est |
Megaf: do you have enabled virtual extensions? |
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moparisthebest |
I assumed everyone in #minetest would be using linux, why *wouldn't* you be using linux? :/ |
| 17:05 |
Megaf |
Debian gnome installed faster then win10 and with only a single reboot after the install was completed. Cool! |
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Megaf |
est: I guess so. CPU have the guts for that |
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moparisthebest |
do I set all these values in minetest.conf on the server only? or do I need to set something on the client |
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moparisthebest |
it's still only loading around 25% of the map |
| 17:06 |
Megaf |
All server side moparisthebest |
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est |
Megaf: its a setting in the bios, and usually disabled |
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Megaf |
est: this laptop bios is pretty helpless |
| 17:09 |
Megaf |
Not many options there |
| 17:09 |
Megaf |
And uefi |
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| 17:11 |
Megaf |
JFS and XFS are so much faster than Ext4 on normal use. |
| 17:11 |
moparisthebest |
this is what I have set now: |
| 17:11 |
moparisthebest |
emergequeue_limit_diskonly = 5000,emergequeue_limit_generate = 5000,emergequeue_limit_total = 5000,map_generation_limit = 500,max_block_send_distance = 5000,max_forceloaded_blocks = 5000,max_packets_per_iteration = 102400,max_simultaneous_block_sends_per_client = 10000,max_simultaneous_block_sends_server_total = 40000 |
| 17:11 |
Megaf |
And less CPU intensive |
| 17:11 |
moparisthebest |
and it still only loads ~25% of the map :/ |
| 17:11 |
Megaf |
Moparisthebest that's a mess |
| 17:12 |
Krock |
moparisthebest, how about the client? does it have set the setting of maximal loaded blocks to unlimited? |
| 17:12 |
Megaf |
Wait till I have IRC in my laptop and I will help you out. I'm on the tablet |
| 17:12 |
Krock |
btw: pastebin.com |
| 17:12 |
moparisthebest |
under advanced settings in client I have mapblock limit set to -1 |
| 17:12 |
swift110 |
cool |
| 17:13 |
moparisthebest |
anything else? |
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moparisthebest |
https://www.moparisthebest.com/paste/?2305aa896aa30394#IS6ZXppe4AiYemq65/dtKSWhlMrxWiNvVyko5+IE1bs= |
| 17:14 |
moparisthebest |
that's the same config except without the | tr '\n' ',' |
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| 17:16 |
Krock |
moparisthebest, I'm not using linux (yet) because the directory structure is way different |
| 17:16 |
Krock |
same with commands) |
| 17:16 |
Krock |
( |
| 17:17 |
Megaf |
Actually that's because you use dos commands |
| 17:17 |
Megaf |
Power shell is closer to bash |
| 17:17 |
Megaf |
But I know the feeling |
| 17:17 |
KaadmY |
i use dos and bash |
| 17:17 |
KaadmY |
more used to bash though |
| 17:17 |
Megaf |
Using Solaris was a pain in the butt |
| 17:18 |
moparisthebest |
it takes some getting used to but it's worth it, and windows is the odd one out there too |
| 17:18 |
Megaf |
I wonder how easy is to add password to grub |
| 17:18 |
moparisthebest |
commands/directory structure etc are the same EVERYWHERE ELSE besides windows |
| 17:19 |
Krock |
no, they're everywere different but in windows |
| 17:19 |
est |
i like having windows 10 with the bliss background |
| 17:19 |
Krock |
(and reactOS, which is windows-alike) |
| 17:19 |
est |
bliss image makes me nostalgic of my first own computer |
| 17:20 |
est |
it had win xp |
| 17:20 |
est |
and the bliss image |
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moparisthebest |
the commands and directory structure are the same on linux/various bsds/mac/solaris etc etc |
| 17:20 |
moparisthebest |
and windows/react are the odd ones out |
| 17:21 |
Krock |
est, I've seen an article about this hill about six months ago. It's not beautiful anymore. Brown grass (wheat?) everywhere |
| 17:21 |
Krock |
but it looked so great back then |
| 17:21 |
est |
yeah |
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moparisthebest |
meh yea I give up on these settings now, I'll take you up on your offer Megaf and wait until you get on a laptop, thanks! :) |
| 17:24 |
Megaf |
Almost there |
| 17:26 |
Megaf |
Now, what's my quassel core password?? |
| 17:26 |
Megaf |
Calinou: ^ |
| 17:26 |
Krock |
magafissocool123 |
| 17:26 |
Krock |
there, your pass |
| 17:31 |
Megaf |
moparisthebest: on laptop now |
| 17:31 |
Megaf |
:) |
| 17:31 |
* Megaf |
opens the webbrowser |
| 17:32 |
Megaf |
this is totally broken here https://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-linux/ |
| 17:32 |
Megaf |
no CSS |
| 17:32 |
Megaf |
and Java Script doesnt seem to be running either |
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moparisthebest |
Megaf: here is most of the config https://www.moparisthebest.com/paste/?2305aa896aa30394#IS6ZXppe4AiYemq65/dtKSWhlMrxWiNvVyko5+IE1bs= any ideas? |
| 17:32 |
sfan5 |
skype for linux doesn't work |
| 17:33 |
sfan5 |
since ages |
| 17:33 |
Megaf |
moparisthebest: hold on, I will give you the lines that are important and you adjust there |
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| 17:39 |
Megaf |
moparisthebest: this should do http://paste.debian.net/plain/832472 |
| 17:39 |
Megaf |
it will use a lot of RAM in server and client side |
| 17:40 |
Megaf |
you have to wait until everything loads though, minetest is terrible in parallel stuff, so it takes a while |
| 17:45 |
Volkj |
2¢ idea on multithread: one thread per sqlite file, for map chunk of 1000x1000 wide |
| 17:47 |
Krock |
did you mean 1000^3 wide? |
| 17:48 |
Volkj |
usually people don't build so much on height, more widely - 1000x1000 wide including all the heigh from bottom to top |
| 17:49 |
Volkj |
just a though, would give multiple sqlite files but multithread would be useful on servers |
| 17:50 |
Megaf |
[18:48:54] <Volkj> usually people don't build so much on height, more widely - 1000x1000 wide including all the heigh from bottom to top |
| 17:50 |
Megaf |
eh.. Don't go to my server then |
| 17:50 |
Megaf |
we have stuff ranging from -20000 to +25000 |
| 17:51 |
Megaf |
yes, people actually dug that deep, people are crazy |
| 17:51 |
Volkj |
it won't give every file of little size, but at least it's better than a single big file |
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| 17:53 |
Volkj |
Megaf: wondering how much the spawn rate of ore is influenced by that depth, but it really depends on the mapgen used (and tweaked by servers) |
| 17:54 |
Megaf |
Volkj: I don't think it affects that much |
| 17:54 |
moparisthebest |
Megaf: no that didn't load it all either :/ |
| 17:54 |
est |
wohoo |
| 17:54 |
est |
its just awesome how slow windows update is |
| 17:54 |
Volkj |
yup, i use to find more mese on lower depths than >20k |
| 17:55 |
est |
if they managed to get windows update fast, people wouldnt hate it as much |
| 17:55 |
Megaf |
moparisthebest: is the server public? |
| 17:55 |
est |
chrome updates are super super fast |
| 17:55 |
Megaf |
[18:55:26] <est> its just awesome how slow windows update is |
| 17:55 |
est |
noone really has a problem with chrome updates |
| 17:55 |
moparisthebest |
Megaf: it *can* be, but not that fast upload speeds, I was testing it over lan |
| 17:55 |
Megaf |
I was looking at windows 10 privacy things, and saw the windows update is now p2p, over local network and internet |
| 17:56 |
Megaf |
so if you download an updated, it will seed to other windows machines |
| 17:56 |
est |
yeah but you can disable it |
| 17:56 |
Megaf |
you can make it p2p on the internal network only yes |
| 17:56 |
Megaf |
but p2p on the internet is slow enough already |
| 17:56 |
Calinou |
<Megaf> And when I go to reboot/shutdown I get that "please wait, installing updates" |
| 17:56 |
Calinou |
yeah, it does that a lot |
| 17:57 |
Calinou |
Windows Update is not known to be particularly fast or stable or anything |
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agaran |
lol |
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Volkj |
Calinou: tried gnome-software for updates, a button named "reboot and update" appeared. Gnome-software uninstalled |
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Calinou |
Volkj: it's fine to ask for a reboot after updating |
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Calinou |
what is not fine is 1) rebooting without user consent, 2) applying updates without user consent |
| 17:58 |
Calinou |
(Windows 10 does both) |
| 17:58 |
Megaf |
not the win10 I installed |
| 17:58 |
Megaf |
I guess not at least |
| 17:58 |
Megaf |
because I told it to notify first |
| 17:58 |
Calinou |
Windows 10 can reboot if you're not in "activity hours", by defaut between 8:00 and 17:00 |
| 17:58 |
Megaf |
Ok, managed to install Skype 4 here |
| 17:59 |
Megaf |
works well |
| 17:59 |
Volkj |
sadly yes. Was like a nightmare on every patch Tuesday , checking every patch to not get an hidden updater |
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agaran |
Calinou: win10 does lot more than just those two.. |
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moparisthebest |
ok Megaf burtrum.org port 30000 should be open now |
| 18:05 |
Megaf |
so, full Debian 8 + Jessie-backports GNOME install (Including Inkscape, GIMP, LibreOffice)+ Skype (and it's 32 bit deps) + Quassel (And deps, like VLC), + Opera + Firefox + Chrome = 5.3 GB. Windows 10 install + Chrome + Firefox + Opera + Skype (No graphical/office tool, no nothing, just clean install) = 11 GB |
| 18:06 |
Megaf |
amazing isn't it? |
| 18:06 |
Megaf |
I was actually expecting windows to use much more |
| 18:07 |
Megaf |
oh, and on Windows I'm missing a lot of drivers. On Debian I installed all drivers and firmwares already |
| 18:07 |
Megaf |
moparisthebest: hold on, downloading minetest |
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Megaf |
moparisthebest: joining |
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moparisthebest |
and the blocks are already generated, and the database is redis |
| 18:08 |
moparisthebest |
it loads them fairly fast but I have to fly over them to get them to load, that's what I'm trying to avoid |
| 18:08 |
Megaf |
hows you CPU use there? |
| 18:09 |
moparisthebest |
< 50% of one core now, and that's 4 cores |
| 18:09 |
moparisthebest |
it's not a very powerful server, intel avalons which are like atoms |
| 18:09 |
Megaf |
ok, again, mt is terrible in parallel stuff |
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Megaf |
moparisthebest: just joined |
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Megaf |
moparisthebest: /grant Megaf fly,fast |
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moparisthebest |
done |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Update library versions in buildbot 9fa562f https://git.io/viQoq (2016-09-21T20:16:31+02:00) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Don't use ZLIB_WINAPI if the required DLL is not provided to CMake af4c210 https://git.io/viQom (2016-09-21T20:16:31+02:00) |
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Megaf |
!server Megaf |
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MinetestBot |
Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/10, 0/3 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms |
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| 18:38 |
moparisthebest |
anyone know how to set a hotkey to ' |
| 18:38 |
moparisthebest |
when I try it sets it to - instead? |
| 18:40 |
sfan5 |
irrlicht doesn't seem to have a keycode for that |
| 18:40 |
sfan5 |
or maybe it does but it's not called after the character |
| 18:40 |
sfan5 |
s/called/named/ |
| 18:40 |
moparisthebest |
that sucks for people using the dvorak keyboard layout where ' is where Q is on a qwerty |
| 18:40 |
agaran |
sfan5: is possible to have clipboard working in minetest? so I can paste from X clipboard or cut like seed from chat/output in console in MT and paste in xterm? |
| 18:40 |
moparisthebest |
oh, let me try editing the .conf with the keycode name directly |
| 18:40 |
sfan5 |
have you tried editing the config to set it to KEY_KEY_Q |
| 18:40 |
sfan5 |
? |
| 18:41 |
moparisthebest |
well I need it to be ' I'll find the name though |
| 18:41 |
sfan5 |
agaran: complaing to irrlicht |
| 18:41 |
sfan5 |
it works on windows |
| 18:41 |
agaran |
sfan5: ok |
| 18:41 |
sfan5 |
moparisthebest: http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/docu/_keycodes_8h_source.html have fun |
| 18:43 |
moparisthebest |
sfan5: it doesn't just use standard keycodes and such? :/ |
| 18:43 |
sfan5 |
what are "standard keycodes" ? |
| 18:44 |
moparisthebest |
like the input any operating system would give you |
| 18:44 |
agaran |
moparisthebest: it varies with OS.. irrlight talks on few.. |
| 18:45 |
Megaf |
hm, gnome web is pretty much useless as a web browser |
| 18:45 |
sfan5 |
well it varies by OS |
| 18:46 |
sfan5 |
so obviously irrlicht can't just use what it gets without processing |
| 18:46 |
moparisthebest |
at some layer it has to talk to the OS though ? also I'd assume all OS's have support for the ' key ? |
| 18:46 |
sfan5 |
otherwise windows and linux wouldn't really work with the same code |
| 18:46 |
sfan5 |
obviously OSs support the ' key |
| 18:46 |
sfan5 |
you just have to find out which irrlicht keycode that it |
| 18:46 |
sfan5 |
some are named quite strangely |
| 18:47 |
sfan5 |
so it might be one of the KEY_OEM_* ones |
| 18:47 |
moparisthebest |
it seems like it's not handled if I go by the ui |
| 18:47 |
moparisthebest |
because it puts a '-' in there and maps it to the literal - key instead |
| 18:47 |
Megaf |
hm, there's more people here using Dvorak |
| 18:47 |
Megaf |
just can't remember who right now |
| 18:48 |
Megaf |
be right back, going to windows |
| 18:48 |
moparisthebest |
actually sfan5 KEY_OEM_7 = 0xDE, // for US "'"" |
| 18:49 |
moparisthebest |
maybe that's it, trying now |
| 18:50 |
moparisthebest |
NOPE |
| 18:51 |
moparisthebest |
oops sorry for the caps lock |
| 18:51 |
moparisthebest |
so irrlicht doesn't use SDL or another library to handle input? it does everything itself? |
| 18:54 |
moparisthebest |
what is that keycode supposed to map to? |
| 18:57 |
moparisthebest |
for example /usr/include/linux/input.h says #define KEY_A 30 |
| 18:58 |
moparisthebest |
irrlicht says KEY_KEY_A = 0x41, // A key |
| 19:03 |
sfan5 |
moparisthebest: irrlicht has it's own keycode because it needs to work crossplatform |
| 19:03 |
sfan5 |
keycodes |
| 19:03 |
sfan5 |
also yes |
| 19:04 |
sfan5 |
irrlicht is a game engine library itself |
| 19:04 |
sfan5 |
it doesn't use sdl |
| 19:04 |
moparisthebest |
it looks like there is an SDL driver though? also a Linux one |
| 19:04 |
moparisthebest |
ah digging into the source code I see what I think is the cause... |
| 19:05 |
sfan5 |
yes but the SDL driver adds more complexity because you're going through yet another layer |
| 19:07 |
moparisthebest |
sfan5: is there a way to tell which driver it's going through? |
| 19:07 |
moparisthebest |
when I'm running it? like is it a runtime or compiletime choice? |
| 19:08 |
sfan5 |
no idea |
| 19:08 |
sfan5 |
but i guarantee you it's not running via SDL |
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moparisthebest |
source/Irrlicht/CIrrDeviceLinux.cpp line 1065 has some questionable looking key code |
| 19:09 |
moparisthebest |
do you know how I could turn on the logging? |
| 19:10 |
sfan5 |
what logging? |
| 19:10 |
sfan5 |
anyway i found it |
| 19:10 |
moparisthebest |
so things like os::Printer::log("Could not find EKEY_CODE, using orig. X11 keycode instead", core::stringc(event.xkey.keycode).c_str(), ELL_INFORMATION); would print ? |
| 19:10 |
sfan5 |
oh that, no idea |
| 19:10 |
sfan5 |
' is U+0027 |
| 19:10 |
sfan5 |
% grep U+0027 /usr/include/X11/keysymdef.h |
| 19:10 |
sfan5 |
#define XK_apostrophe 0x0027 /* U+0027 APOSTROPHE */ |
| 19:11 |
sfan5 |
% grep XK_apostrophe <(wget -qO- https://raw.githubusercontent.com/zaki/irrlicht/master/source/Irrlicht/CIrrDeviceLinux.cpp) |
| 19:11 |
sfan5 |
KeyMap.push_back(SKeyMap(XK_apostrophe, KEY_OEM_7)); |
| 19:11 |
moparisthebest |
can I put that in minetest.conf directly somehow? |
| 19:11 |
moparisthebest |
that's not the right key though, somehow, it doesn't work anyhow |
| 19:13 |
sfan5 |
KEY_OEM_7 is the format for minetest.conf, yes |
| 19:13 |
sfan5 |
then you'll need to figure out how dvorak and X11 work together |
| 19:13 |
moparisthebest |
yea that doesn't work though |
| 19:14 |
moparisthebest |
pressing ' sends the right keycode otherwise I couldn't type ' |
| 19:14 |
moparisthebest |
can you set a hotkey to the ' key with your keyboard layout? it doesn't work with regular qwerty either, for me |
| 19:16 |
sfan5 |
no |
| 19:16 |
sfan5 |
the problem is that irrlicht receives the shift independent from the pressed key |
| 19:16 |
moparisthebest |
there is no shift with that key though |
| 19:16 |
moparisthebest |
if I run xev, it shows X gets it correctly |
| 19:17 |
moparisthebest |
state 0x10, keycode 48 (keysym 0x27, apostrophe), same_screen YES, |
| 19:17 |
moparisthebest |
XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (27) "'" |
| 19:17 |
moparisthebest |
XmbLookupString gives 1 bytes: (27) "'" |
| 19:17 |
sfan5 |
i use qwertz |
| 19:17 |
sfan5 |
is qwerty that different? |
| 19:18 |
moparisthebest |
it's not a keyboard layout issue even, it's just that the ' key does not work |
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moparisthebest |
with minetest/irrlicht |
| 19:18 |
sfan5 |
for me it's a keyboard layout issue |
| 19:18 |
sfan5 |
since ' uses shift |
| 19:18 |
moparisthebest |
what is it if you don't hold shift? |
| 19:18 |
sfan5 |
also xev probably handles keys differently than irrlicht |
| 19:18 |
sfan5 |
actually no ignore that |
| 19:18 |
sfan5 |
a # |
| 19:18 |
moparisthebest |
xev just prints what X gets |
| 19:18 |
moparisthebest |
can you use that as a hotkey? |
| 19:19 |
agaran |
how to specify other prefix than /usr/local when compiling minetest? |
| 19:19 |
sfan5 |
it turns into - and doesn't work |
| 19:19 |
sfan5 |
so no |
| 19:19 |
sfan5 |
that's definitely a bug |
| 19:19 |
moparisthebest |
yep that's what happens to me too sfan5 |
| 19:19 |
sfan5 |
agaran: -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr iirc |
| 19:20 |
sfan5 |
KeyMap.push_back(SKeyMap(XK_numbersign, KEY_OEM_2)); |
| 19:20 |
sfan5 |
hm |
| 19:20 |
sfan5 |
while minetest.conf says keymap_zoom = - |
| 19:20 |
sfan5 |
(why isn't it using the irrlicht name, is that new?) |
| 19:20 |
agaran |
sfan5: thx, let's see.. :) |
| 19:21 |
moparisthebest |
and yea you are right if KeyMap.push_back(SKeyMap(XK_A, KEY_KEY_A)); is right then it *looks* like KeyMap.push_back(SKeyMap(XK_apostrophe, KEY_OEM_7)); would be right |
| 19:21 |
moparisthebest |
except the whole not working thing :) |
| 19:21 |
sfan5 |
uh |
| 19:21 |
sfan5 |
it doesnt accept KEY_OEM_2 |
| 19:21 |
sfan5 |
now *that* could be an mt bug |
| 19:22 |
moparisthebest |
what if you put it in the config file manually? |
| 19:22 |
sfan5 |
it interprets it as "K" |
| 19:22 |
sfan5 |
as in KEY_KEY_K |
| 19:22 |
sfan5 |
oh that explains it |
| 19:22 |
sfan5 |
man who wrote this shitty code stuff |
| 19:23 |
sfan5 |
moparisthebest: "-" means that minetest has no idea what key you're taking about |
| 19:23 |
moparisthebest |
ah yep mine does the same |
| 19:23 |
sfan5 |
an error |
| 19:23 |
moparisthebest |
that's what I thought, but turns out pressing the - key makes it do it anyway :) |
| 19:24 |
moparisthebest |
ha you know the worst part? |
| 19:24 |
moparisthebest |
all that code diving, and turns out I can literally set |
| 19:24 |
moparisthebest |
keymap_drop = ' |
| 19:25 |
moparisthebest |
in minetest.conf and it *just works* :) |
| 19:25 |
moparisthebest |
but yea, that's some funky behavior |
| 19:25 |
sfan5 |
my god this code is horrible |
| 19:25 |
sfan5 |
if it wasn't so late i would start re-writing it this instant |
| 19:26 |
moparisthebest |
I take it it has a hard-coded list of the keys, and if it doesn't match one, it puts - |
| 19:26 |
moparisthebest |
but then parsing it if it doesn't recognize it it just takes the first character? |
| 19:26 |
moparisthebest |
something along those lines anyway? |
| 19:27 |
sfan5 |
i dont even know |
| 19:28 |
sfan5 |
keycode.cpp:260-295 |
| 19:28 |
moparisthebest |
the other thing that wouldn't work was the / key for command |
| 19:28 |
sfan5 |
;_; |
| 19:28 |
moparisthebest |
but that works too if you just set it to a literal / |
| 19:28 |
sfan5 |
yes what you're doing works because of the |
| 19:28 |
sfan5 |
bool KeyPress::operator==(const KeyPress &o) const |
| 19:28 |
sfan5 |
and |
| 19:29 |
sfan5 |
// it's not a (known) key, just take the first char and use that |
| 19:29 |
sfan5 |
(line 291 - 295 in keycode.cpp) |
| 19:30 |
moparisthebest |
ah so explains both why - gets put in there and why it ends up using the literal - key |
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moparisthebest |
yea, that's an, interesting, way to do it |
| 19:31 |
moparisthebest |
though I see why, irrlicht didn't provide human readable names for the codes except for in the comments |
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moparisthebest |
if it did, it'd just use that and be done |
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moparisthebest |
I guess maybe it didn't because those some could need localization? idk |
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sfan5 |
yeah keycode.cpp deals with 1) parsing KEY_KEY_A into data 2) describing keys with human readable stuff 3) comparing keys |
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moparisthebest |
so the actual fix for those two keys is replacing "-" in that lookup array with "'" and "/" |
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moparisthebest |
but of course that's right for my keyboard, and not yours |
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moparisthebest |
fun. stuff. |
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moparisthebest |
still it should probably fallback to machine-readable KEY_OEM_7 or whatever versus not-working '-' ? |
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sfan5 |
yes it should |
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sfan5 |
i've decided |
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sfan5 |
fuck it |
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sfan5 |
i'm rewriting keycode.cpp |
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moparisthebest |
ha sfan5 sorry about that :P |
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agaran |
recompiled dev release (not a head.. rather a bit old but post 4.14) and it seems to work bit more smoothly than release but maybe thats because of more optimal flags when compiling on same host |
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Calinou |
yeah the difference is usually less than 1% faster |
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Calinou |
when compiling yourself vs using a pre-made build |
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agaran |
Calinou: i did recompile to check if it helps for random teleport to -xmax,y,-zmax |
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sfan5 |
moparisthebest: https://github.com/sfan5/minetest/tree/keycode_rewrite |
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sfan5 |
night~ |
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redblade |
hi |
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redblade |
i've been noticing a phenomenon lately on my server |
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redblade |
i'm wondering if there's an unofficial client that's doing this |
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redblade |
people join and follow this pattern: NameXXX or NameYYYY |
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redblade |
as their username |
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redblade |
sometimes i've seen duplicate usernames with different numbres |
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redblade |
i'm wondering if anyone had more info |
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redblade |
i'm guessing it's an unofficial client |
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Fixer |
redblade: unofficial client |
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redblade |
what's it called? |
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redblade |
do we know? |
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Fixer |
redblade: i'm not sure, could be "Exploration" smth |
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Fixer |
redblade: minetest android clone |
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redblade |
are these accounts a danger? my server is currently 0.4.14-dev |
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redblade |
i upgraded to dev when the tree griefer bug was fixed |
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Fixer |
redblade: don't think so |
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redblade |
exploration is a commercial version of "exploration lite" |
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redblade |
oh god |
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redblade |
i dont know if this is minetest but |
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redblade |
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.playcoolzombiesportgames.mine.craft.pocket.lite.exploration.voxel.story.ExplorationLite.adventure.world.girl.girls.princess |
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redblade |
Girls Craft: Mine Exploration |
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redblade |
Great game for girls! Feel like a princess! Play one of the best free games for teenage girls! |
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redblade |
Build whole city with SPA, Nail Salon, Pet Shop, Make-up & beauty salon! |
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Fixer |
redblade: don't bother, there are lots of them |
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redblade |
I HATE THIS APP THERE ARE NO CUTE ANIMALZ!!! PLUS the castle is HUGE and it has 1 room with a tree in it. ARE U SERIOUS!! Plz make it better! |
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redblade |
So annoying This is an annoying game and each time I press the menu it freezes and came up an ad also why don't they just give us the entire block so annoying |
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redblade |
coming soon: |
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redblade |
Multiplayer - girls game edition |
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redblade |
Crafting items and weapons (maybe it isn't minetest then?) |
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redblade |
there was someone on the message board who had a github for imitations, i gotta go find it |
| 23:12 |
redblade |
This other game entitled "Cute Craft Exploration: Girls" has the exact same description |
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redblade |
but instead of being developed by "Play Cool Zombie Sport Games", it's developed by "Tiny Dragon Adventure Games: Craft, Sport & RPG " |
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redblade |
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tinydragonadventuregames.mine.craft.pocket.lite.exploration.minecraft.voxel.cat.creative.build.world.girl.girls.cute.cube |
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redblade |
Worldcraft: Exploration 3D |
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redblade |
Craft Exploration Survival |
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redblade |
there are dozens of similarly named "exploration" games |
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redblade |
review for "megacraft": |
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redblade |
HE STOLE!! He stole off exploration craft!thats the original game!! |
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Fixer |
it is known |
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Fixer |
fuck them |
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CanadianLuv |
Anyone online |
