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D'où ça sort, le kalite? J'ai cherché dans toutes les langues. Aucune idée de ce que c'est. L'idée, c'était d'écrire un mod afin d'en utiliser davantage. Je ne sais plus où stocker ça. |
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Persi[m] |
LevierMRQ: I'm not sure if I understand your question, but if your server has the appropriate mod you should be able to find it in stone blocks |
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OldCoder |
"Hence it comes out, the untranslatable? I searched in all languages. No idea what it is. The idea was to write a mod to use more. I do not know where to store it." |
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OldCoder |
Hm |
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MinetestBot |
[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Default: Remove unnecessary leaf 'visual scale' 02a82c9 https://git.io/vXLmR (2016-10-29T14:44:00+01:00) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Default: Remove 'player falling damage' sound 89b9c3e https://git.io/vXLm0 (2016-10-29T14:42:47+01:00) |
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PureTryOut[m] |
is there anyway to make sure my mod is the last one to be loaded? |
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red-001 |
no |
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PureTryOut[m] |
darn |
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red-001 |
why? |
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red-001 |
you could use minetest.after if it doesn't need to register new nodes,texture,etc |
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PureTryOut[m] |
is that reliable? |
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PureTryOut[m] |
hmm maybe I know a workaround which will do the job... |
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red-001 |
what are you trying to do? |
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PureTryOut[m] |
well I'm checking every registered item for a certain parameter, and if so, put them in a new list |
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PureTryOut[m] |
however, right now I'm doing that every time the function is run, which is overkill |
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PureTryOut[m] |
s/run/ran |
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PureTryOut[m] |
but I'm just going to implement a workaround using minetest.after which'll do the job as well |
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PureTryOut[m] |
or maybe not, it's pretty quick anyway... |
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whitephoenix |
I released a mod for once https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=15794 |
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lumidify |
Hi everyone, I've heard that catch_up in ABMs is buggy. What is the reason for this? |
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Fixer |
buggy? |
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Fixer |
i don't think so |
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Fixer |
just use it wisely |
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lumidify |
So what exactly *does* it do? |
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red-001 |
whats the diffrence between mit and cc0 ? |
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whitephoenix |
mit is for code, cc0 is for assets |
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whitephoenix |
same concept pretty much though |
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Krock |
http://tldrlegal.com/ |
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Krock |
best site for such questions |
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lumidify |
Or, what is the reason for disabling catch_up by default? Doesn't it make more sense if the abms catch up with time when the map chunk is loaded again? |
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lumidify |
Oh, is the reason to prevent processing spikes? |
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PureTryOut[m] |
+1 for tldrlegal, pretty awesome site |
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PureTryOut[m] |
whitephoenix: awesome job! does it need a torch to light it up, or can you craft it without it? |
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PureTryOut[m] |
never mind just saw it on your site ;) |
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PureTryOut[m] |
ooh can you not let the pumpkin generate whitephoenix? |
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PureTryOut[m] |
sfan5: did you completely forget about that Lua mapgen mod and did I let you remember by asking for it? :p no commits since the 13th of March and now 5 commits of you |
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MacSimski |
Hi All |
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whitephoenix |
PureTryOut[m], oh yeah I could add generation/plants maybe idk |
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PureTryOut[m] |
would be cool, as crafting it with wool is kind of strange :p |
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whitephoenix |
btw you're murdering my github notifications |
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PureTryOut[m] |
I'm sorry :( |
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MacSimski |
using Unified_invetory here: how do i use waypoints? google=no help |
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whitephoenix |
I'll probably do some minefix stuff in a bit when I finish some math |
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PureTryOut[m] |
cool :D |
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PureTryOut[m] |
did a lot of stuff today |
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PureTryOut[m] |
well and yesterday |
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PureTryOut[m] |
btw, I noticed you need the latest git version of Minetest to run it |
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Krock |
MacSimski, did you install the mod "datastorage" too? |
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Krock |
even google won't find the answers for a mod-specific problem :P |
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MacSimski |
Krock: dunno. i can set waypoints, bu i have no idea how to use them |
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Krock |
uh. never used them either |
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MacSimski |
I thought i could use them to teleport, but ala |
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MacSimski |
s |
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sfan5 |
PureTryOut[m]: forgot... hm well projects often go unmaintained after they are "complete" |
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sfan5 |
but i felt like fixing a few things |
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PureTryOut[m] |
aah, well good :D |
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fireglow |
like lighttpd :D |
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PureTryOut[m] |
lol burn |
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fireglow |
no, in all honestly, I think it's a great project but at some point it's just time to stop fiddling |
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fireglow |
just heard a nice comment on a server running technic: "the server crashes twice daily at the max" |
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red-001 |
lol |
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Calinou |
big mods are not notorious for their stability :/ |
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Calinou |
fireglow: Caddy pretty much supersedes lighttpd |
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Calinou |
https://caddyserver.com/ |
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Calinou |
written in Go, has HTTP/2 and all |
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Calinou |
can do PHP using php-fpm |
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fireglow |
mhm |
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sfan5 |
>written go |
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sfan5 |
why not rust |
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sfan5 |
</hackernews comments> |
| 19:32 |
Krock |
</chat actvity> |
| 19:32 |
whitephoenix |
b-b-but my concurrency |
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Shiftus |
What did I miss? |
| 19:32 |
Calinou |
I read "b-b-but my cryptocurrency" |
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whitephoenix |
if (err != nil) { return err} x 100 |
| 19:33 |
sfan5 |
^ well you have the same problem in C |
| 19:34 |
Krock |
I read "butt my currency" |
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fireglow |
buttcoins? |
| 19:34 |
Krock |
just kidding :P |
| 19:34 |
Calinou |
that would be cloudcoins |
| 19:35 |
fireglow |
not if you have cloud to butt installed |
| 19:35 |
Krock |
a cloud to butt converter? |
| 19:35 |
whitephoenix |
https://i.imgur.com/1qJoXJ4.png |
| 19:35 |
Krock |
error in line 1: Do not C |
| 19:36 |
Krock |
Error in line N/A: Don't use Word |
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* Fixer |
.oO(MAKE A MOOOOVE) |
| 19:36 |
Krock |
\o/ Fixer |
| 19:37 |
Krock |
whitephoenix, maybe relevant: https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/helloworld.html |
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whitephoenix |
always make main have void return type to save one memory bit on the return value |
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Krock |
It's supposed to return a integer to see if it failed or not |
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whitephoenix |
/ Check if x is true if(x == true) { return true; } |
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whitephoenix |
I spend too much time on /r/shittyprogramming |
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sfan5 |
whitephoenix: you need to check twice to make sure it's really true |
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sfan5 |
if(x == true && x != false) { return true; } |
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whitephoenix |
oh right thanks] |
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fireglow |
that's a nice screenshot, whitephoenix |
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sfan5 |
!btc EUR |
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MinetestBot |
1 BTC = 648.4100 € |
| 19:42 |
Krock |
don't forget if true is true |
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Krock |
if(x == true && x != false && true != false) { return true; } |
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whitephoenix |
#define true false |
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whitephoenix |
trust no one |
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Krock |
doubt that would work |
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Krock |
in plain C, yes. Because they don't have bools (true, false) there yet |
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Guest11387 |
how to i change my nickname back to PinkCat |
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PinkKitty |
hi |
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PinkKitty |
Hi everyone im new to IRC |
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BrandonReese |
hi |
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sfan5 |
hi |
| 19:56 |
PinkKitty |
so whats IRC about |
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garywhite |
Hi BrandonReese, sfan5, welcome PinkKitty |
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PinkKitty |
my ingame name is PinkCat |
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Persi[m] |
PinkKitty: irc is about reading and writing text messages, you read other people's messages and respond by writing your own |
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PinkKitty |
ah cool |
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fireglow |
it's multiplayer textedit |
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PinkKitty |
does it show in minetest servers |
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sfan5 |
minetest and irc can be linked |
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sfan5 |
it is done for some servers |
| 20:00 |
PinkKitty |
anyone reccomand any texture packs? |
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fireglow |
I like summerfields |
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fireglow |
https://github.com/SummerFields/Minetest |
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PinkKitty |
cool |
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PinkKitty |
i like one thats called plasticcraft |
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PinkKitty |
and i recently got a halloween one |
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PinkKitty |
So anyone now how to use github? |
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red-001 |
https://help.github.com/ ? |
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fireglow |
PinkKitty: if you just want to download the texturepack, kick the green button "Clone or download" and then "Download ZIP" |
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PinkKitty |
no fireglow i wanna make a mod on it |
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red-001 |
what os do you use? |
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Krock |
then learn how to use Git. |
| 20:25 |
Krock |
there are youtube videos |
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red-001 |
It might be easier to use a GUI |
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Persi[m] |
PinkKitty: there's nothing to it really, you can just create a new git repository and set github.com as the origin, you don't even need to care that it's on github |
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sfan5 |
usually it's easiest to just write your mod and upload it to github when it's finished |
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PinkKitty |
Is it to do with computer programming? I can't really do math and computer programmingg needs math |
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Krock |
if it's just a texture pack you might try the github file uploader |
| 20:29 |
Krock |
but you've got bad luck when trying to write a mod without maths knowledge |
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sfan5 |
you can't make a mod without programming |
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rater193 |
hello |
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rater193 |
is there any minetest teamspeak communities i can join? |
| 20:31 |
rater193 |
*are there any |
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Krock |
I'm not aware of any |
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sfan5 |
^ same |
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rater193 |
im tempted to start one XD |
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Krock |
IRC is fine for almost all purposes, to ask the people here if neeed |
| 20:32 |
Krock |
*needed |
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rater193 |
anyways, im trying to find a minetest server who needs a programmer |
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rater193 |
*that needs a programmer |
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rater193 |
so many typos >_< |
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Krock |
yeah, the monster seems to be around tonight again |
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rater193 |
anyways, trying to find one, and havnt found any yet |
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rater193 |
you know what, thats what im going to do |
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Krock |
and you most likely won't find any. Most server owners I know are programmers (in a limited way) too |
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rater193 |
ill just start my community :P |
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Krock |
> 2017 |
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Krock |
> 1 member online |
| 20:35 |
Krock |
but well, good luck with it |
| 20:35 |
rater193 |
anyways, im going back to developing my mod |
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rater193 |
and ty for the help |
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Krock |
!next |
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MinetestBot |
Another satisfied customer. Next! |
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rater193 |
lol |
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PinkKitty |
Can I connect IRC to my server? |
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garywhite |
Do you guys know of a Linux distro that is smaller than 4GB and still works with MT? (NOTE: I tried Debian, it takes up about 5.8GB on my VMWare VM) |
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PureTryOut[m] |
PinkKitty: yes https://github.com/minetest-mods/irc |
| 20:41 |
PinkKitty |
i cant put mods on my server though |
| 20:41 |
Krock |
then no. |
| 20:42 |
PureTryOut[m] |
then no indeed |
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fireglow |
absolutely no |
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garywhite |
PinkKitty: Are you using minetesthosting.com? |
| 20:43 |
PinkKitty |
yes i a gary |
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PinkKitty |
am i ment |
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whitephoenix |
garywhite, pretty much anything should work, maybe try alpine though |
| 20:44 |
garywhite |
Yeah, the free plan does not allow mod installation PinkKitty. Sorry |
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PinkKitty |
yeah |
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sfan5 |
garywhite: the server install of debian takes up less than 1 GB even |
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garywhite |
Yeah but I need something with a GUI |
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garywhite |
Does Alpine have a GUI from the start? |
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PureTryOut[m] |
don't think so |
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CWz |
minetesthosting.com's freeplan is joke |
| 20:48 |
PureTryOut[m] |
you probably shouldn't use Alpine for a regular pc anyway |
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garywhite |
Any other suggestions then? |
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KaadmY |
garywhite: a couple days ago i tried debian's live install, that wasn't more than 3GB after installing |
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KaadmY |
right now i'm using arch linux for the first time, and liking it |
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sfan5 |
instead of arch try manjaro |
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sfan5 |
it comes with a gui afaik |
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PinkKitty |
anyone know any other website but mineteshosting where i can make server? |
| 20:56 |
PinkKitty |
What servers have IRC?? |
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AcidNinjaFWHR |
hmmm it could actually be great to have a docker image based on Alpine to run minetest servers |
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AcidNinjaFWHR |
Are you working on that garywhite ? |
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EpilepticPicture |
sfan5: worldedit works on newest git? |
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garywhite |
? |
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sfan5 |
EpilepticPicture: of course it does |
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red-001 |
PinkKitty minetesthosting.com is the only one the offers free servers |
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EpilepticPicture |
sfan5: i had strange warning about index smth about global worldedit, I will recheck again later |
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sfan5 |
those warnings usually don't mean that it will break |
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EpilepticPicture |
maybe old version |
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EpilepticPicture |
sfan5: server does not start because of it |
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sfan5 |
pastebin error plks |
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sfan5 |
*pls |
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EpilepticPicture |
sfan5: maybe i fucked up smth, pastebin: http://pastebin.com/raw/GDHm1A8y / i didn't looked into problem, i needed to check world fast itself |
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EpilepticPicture |
just deleted worldedit and proceeded |
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sfan5 |
eh try enabling the whole modpack |
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sfan5 |
also it looks like some stuff is missing |
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EpilepticPicture |
i see that it missed some parts, yes. But i think it worked earlier |
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EpilepticPicture |
strange |
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EpilepticPicture |
oh well |
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EpilepticPicture |
it will work as full modpack for sure |
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Krock |
!seen jeija |
| 21:19 |
MinetestBot |
Krock: jeija was last seen at 2016-10-10 07:47:56 UTC on #minetest |
| 21:19 |
fireglow |
:o |
| 21:19 |
Krock |
!tell jeija http://i.imgur.com/BeqOyga.jpg <-- rebuild challenge accepted? (not an image of mine) |
| 21:19 |
MinetestBot |
Krock: I'll pass that on when jeija is around |
| 21:19 |
Krock |
<3 MinetestBot |
| 21:19 |
MinetestBot |
<3 Krock |
| 21:20 |
sfan5 |
Krock: that surely is a full cpu right |
| 21:20 |
fireglow |
you have a lot of breadboards and wires, I have a cat |
| 21:20 |
fireglow |
let us see who wins |
| 21:20 |
EpilepticPicture |
i have rocks |
| 21:21 |
EpilepticPicture |
>_> |
| 21:21 |
EpilepticPicture |
i win |
| 21:21 |
fireglow |
you wouldn't! |
| 21:21 |
fireglow |
the cat just wants to play |
| 21:21 |
Krock |
looks like lots of NAND gates connected together |
| 21:21 |
EpilepticPicture |
Krock: defuse it! |
| 21:21 |
Krock |
fireglow, I have the method to get cat images instantly |
| 21:22 |
Krock |
!cat |
| 21:22 |
MinetestBot |
http://i.imgur.com/F1JBD2m.jpg |
| 21:22 |
fireglow |
haha |
| 21:22 |
sfan5 |
!cat |
| 21:22 |
MinetestBot |
http://i.imgur.com/iEyDY2z.jpg |
| 21:22 |
sfan5 |
!cat |
| 21:22 |
MinetestBot |
http://i.imgur.com/f6q50SJ.jpg |
| 21:22 |
Krock |
pls. there's #minetestbot for this :P |
| 21:23 |
fireglow |
https://fireglow.de/755/share/asshole_cat.mp4 |
| 21:23 |
Krock |
It's a lovely command btw |
| 21:23 |
sfan5 |
!cat |
| 21:23 |
MinetestBot |
http://i.imgur.com/qYdPjox.jpg |
| 21:24 |
Krock |
fireglow, no, just no. |
| 21:25 |
fireglow |
haha :D |
| 21:26 |
* garywhite |
is trying Gentoo to see if that'll run in Virtual PC 2007 |
| 21:26 |
fireglow |
https://fireglow.de/755/share/redpoint.jpg |
| 21:27 |
sfan5 |
!cat |
| 21:27 |
MinetestBot |
http://i.imgur.com/MSLjnAw.jpg |
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| 21:29 |
Krock |
fireglow, best autoindex ever seen on your website |
| 21:30 |
EpilepticPicture |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glfsMDAZIhc are you ready? |
| 21:30 |
Krock |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ are you ready? |
| 21:31 |
sfan5 |
!title |
| 21:31 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: Rick Astley - Never Gonna Give You Up - YouTube |
| 21:31 |
Krock |
you gotta remember the youtube links that end with 'Q' :P |
| 21:33 |
fireglow |
Krock: yep it's nice |
| 21:33 |
EpilepticPicture |
part fish - part girl... |
| 21:35 |
Calinou |
Minetest AppImage successfully built :) |
| 21:36 |
whitephoenix |
https://endlessm.com/ this bloated af distro has minetest by default |
| 21:36 |
Markow |
Cool, an AppImage! |
| 21:36 |
sfan5 |
do they at least have the newest version? |
| 21:36 |
whitephoenix |
probably not |
| 21:37 |
whitephoenix |
one of these days I'll probably just bite the bullet and install gentoo |
| 21:37 |
red-001 |
!title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glfsMDAZIhc |
| 21:37 |
MinetestBot |
red-001: Silver Richards - Ocean Breeze - YouTube |
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| 21:40 |
Wuzzy |
Is it safe to add custom fields to node definitions? |
| 21:40 |
Wuzzy |
E.g. minetest.register_node("example:bla", {custom=1, lol="rofl", haha=true}) |
| 21:40 |
Calinou |
https://archive.hugo.pro/minetest/ |
| 21:40 |
Calinou |
I need some testers |
| 21:41 |
Calinou |
the AppImage has been built on Ubuntu 12.04, so it should work on any distro that's as recent |
| 21:41 |
Wuzzy |
in order to later read the values via minetest.registered_nodes["example:bla"].custom |
| 21:42 |
Krock |
woo, Calinou goes fancy |
| 21:46 |
EpilepticPicture |
hiiiipsteers |
| 21:46 |
EpilepticPicture |
true linux users compile from source |
| 21:47 |
Wuzzy |
or use package managers when they're lazy :P |
| 21:48 |
EpilepticPicture |
package managers probably have minetest_0.2.2011_i386 version available |
| 21:48 |
EpilepticPicture |
bleeding edge one |
| 21:48 |
Calinou |
Wuzzy: package managers are not exactly suited for games, it has shown |
| 21:48 |
Calinou |
specifically multiplayer ones |
| 21:48 |
Calinou |
hence direct distribution from the software developer :) |
| 21:48 |
Calinou |
providing a PPA, a Copr, an AUR package, is a lot of work |
| 21:48 |
EpilepticPicture |
devs are laazy |
| 21:49 |
Calinou |
I built this AppImage in like 1h30 |
| 21:49 |
EpilepticPicture |
those hipsters asking too much |
| 21:49 |
Calinou |
everything included |
| 21:49 |
Calinou |
and now it's automated, I just need to git pull, make -j4 && make install, then ./generate_appimages.sh |
| 21:49 |
Wuzzy |
Calinou: https://xkcd.com/1742/ |
| 21:49 |
EpilepticPicture |
Calinou: can you automate it for git builds and even build DEBUG ones? |
| 21:49 |
Calinou |
it has been tested on Ubuntu 16.10, Fedora 24, Debian 8 |
| 21:49 |
Calinou |
EpilepticPicture: it's a Git build, but I can't automatically upload it, my PC is not up 24/7 |
| 21:50 |
Calinou |
building a debug build is possible, but I don't really see why do it |
| 21:51 |
Wuzzy |
Calinou: Also, why? Package managers seem to work just fine for Minetest. It's not that every week there's a release.. |
| 21:52 |
EpilepticPicture |
for testers, so you can send them use it for better crash report ._. |
| 21:52 |
EpilepticPicture |
some more vaporwave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MqeFBAj4TA |
| 21:52 |
EpilepticPicture |
Wuzzy: still it can be pretty rough for some distros like debian |
| 21:52 |
Calinou |
testers generally are able to build such a small program that is Minetest |
| 21:52 |
Calinou |
(it's not Chromium…) |
| 21:52 |
Calinou |
Wuzzy: package managers will never feature the Git version :) |
| 21:52 |
Calinou |
also, what if you're running a LTS distro? then you're stuck with whatever Minetest was released in April 2016/2014/2012 |
| 21:52 |
EpilepticPicture |
while newest can be 0.4.15, debian can have 0.4.13 |
| 21:53 |
Wuzzy |
That's just Debian sucking at outdated packages :-( |
| 21:53 |
Wuzzy |
OK, if you want bleeding edge, there is no way around compiling, true. |
| 21:54 |
EpilepticPicture |
Calinou: nevermind, there is already debug symbols available in PPA |
| 21:54 |
EpilepticPicture |
Wuzzy: debian BLOWS at outdated packages |
| 21:54 |
EpilepticPicture |
some software in it can be ancient |
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| 21:55 |
Wuzzy |
I think we shoud advice every GNU/Linux newbie to AVOID Debian/Ubuntu/etc. |
| 21:55 |
EpilepticPicture |
no |
| 21:55 |
Calinou |
I *am* on Ubuntu because I found out it's the most usable desktop distro |
| 21:55 |
Wuzzy |
because all the supposed “usability†of Ubuntu is destroyed by outdated packages :-( |
| 21:55 |
Calinou |
Fedora ships with bare Xfce, so does Debian, Antergos and so on. it's hardly usable because the defaults aren't really sane |
| 21:55 |
EpilepticPicture |
debian and ubuntu is fine, and with flatpak/appimage LTS distros will have a feature everybody wanted |
| 21:55 |
Calinou |
overall, non-Ubuntu distros tend to be buggier for desktop usage in my experience, too |
| 21:56 |
Calinou |
as I'm an enthusiast, I use the latest Ubuntu release (non-LTS), but the AppImage initiative is great at making LTS distros more usable for desktop users |
| 21:56 |
Calinou |
moreover, note that Steam games can run on old distros too, so why not open source games? |
| 21:56 |
Wuzzy |
Calinou: I would hardly consider you a newbie... :P |
| 21:57 |
Calinou |
Fedora is quite good at keeping packages up-to-date, and remains relatively stable, that's a plus though |
| 21:57 |
Wuzzy |
If I would have known that Ubuntu would be so awful with outdated software, I might have used a different distro. |
| 21:57 |
Calinou |
PPAs come to the rescue, if you need to upgrade system components :P |
| 21:58 |
Wuzzy |
Have fun finding all the important PPAs, then. |
| 21:58 |
Wuzzy |
XD |
| 21:59 |
Wuzzy |
I don't think Flatpak/AppImage is the real solution. It might have is uses but the big problem I see is that it basically subverts the entire software package manager architecture. |
| 21:59 |
EpilepticPicture |
at least it is not like in windows |
| 21:59 |
EpilepticPicture |
which is not only mess but minefield |
| 21:59 |
EpilepticPicture |
full of shit and adware or even malware |
| 21:59 |
Wuzzy |
Well, with Flatpak/AppImage we might just get a Windows-like situation back because this architecture also kills package maintainers |
| 22:00 |
Wuzzy |
as far I understand, AppImage/Flatpak are always self-published, and this is an issue |
| 22:00 |
EpilepticPicture |
Wuzzy: not neccessary |
| 22:00 |
EpilepticPicture |
Wuzzy: they publish flatpack and source, distro maintainers just take source and build |
| 22:01 |
Wuzzy |
ok, which distro uses AppImage or Flatpak natively? |
| 22:01 |
EpilepticPicture |
fedora? |
| 22:01 |
EpilepticPicture |
you mean has support? |
| 22:02 |
Wuzzy |
i mean as format for the actual software packages for its package manager |
| 22:02 |
Wuzzy |
not just support for import/export/etc |
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EpilepticPicture |
i don't know any |
| 22:03 |
EpilepticPicture |
wait |
| 22:03 |
EpilepticPicture |
maybe flatpak/appimage itself provides kind of package manager |
| 22:03 |
EpilepticPicture |
reading |
| 22:03 |
Wuzzy |
I think package managers are still a good thing because you can be relatively sure you won't get malware here because of the checks and balances. While with self-published packages, its easy to get garbage. |
| 22:04 |
Wuzzy |
I am looking forward for the first AppImage'd or Flatpak'd malware. :-) |
| 22:04 |
EpilepticPicture |
Wuzzy: flatpak has package manager capability |
| 22:04 |
EpilepticPicture |
Wuzzy: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Flatpak |
| 22:04 |
EpilepticPicture |
List installed runtimes and applications: $ flatpak list |
| 22:04 |
EpilepticPicture |
$ flatpak update name |
| 22:04 |
EpilepticPicture |
$ flatpak uninstall name |
| 22:04 |
EpilepticPicture |
$ flatpak install remote name |
| 22:04 |
Wuzzy |
hmm, its not really about Flatpak or AppImage, more about circumventing the maintainers |
| 22:04 |
EpilepticPicture |
should be easy and simple |
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| 22:05 |
EpilepticPicture |
maintainers will still build |
| 22:05 |
PureTryOut[m] |
why are `fast` and `fly` part of the core? shouldn't they be in the `creative` mod or something? |
| 22:05 |
Wuzzy |
No. Please don't. |
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| 22:05 |
Wuzzy |
I guess fly is a client-sided thing, it cant be done in a mod |
| 22:06 |
Wuzzy |
and fast... well it's just for convenience I guess? |
| 22:06 |
Wuzzy |
Also, if it is part of core ALL subgames equally benefit from it. I think thats a plus |
| 22:06 |
PureTryOut[m] |
well a subgame could just implement that mod if it wanted too |
| 22:06 |
Wuzzy |
putting it in creative would limit its usage ONLY to Minetest Game, which would suck |
| 22:06 |
PureTryOut[m] |
ofc not, games can just copy the creative mod |
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| 22:07 |
Wuzzy |
I don't really know why it has been done, ask #minetest-dev |
| 22:07 |
Wuzzy |
But I am in favor of it being a core thing |
| 22:07 |
PureTryOut[m] |
I'm not, fly should be a creative thing imo ;) |
| 22:08 |
Wuzzy |
Yes, games can just copy it, but this creates redundancy. |
| 22:08 |
Wuzzy |
Also, fly and fast are privileges, you rarely have them by default on multiplayer. |
| 22:08 |
Wuzzy |
I am not sure but I guess fast is also a client thing mostly. it would not be possible or inefficient to do it server-side |
| 22:09 |
Wuzzy |
Fly would be too awkward to implement in a mod, I guess. |
| 22:09 |
PureTryOut[m] |
I find it strange everything is server side only anyway lol |
| 22:09 |
PureTryOut[m] |
that limits some stuff you can do |
| 22:09 |
PureTryOut[m] |
like movement |
| 22:09 |
Wuzzy |
Not true. |
| 22:09 |
Wuzzy |
There are plenty of things which are client-sided |
| 22:09 |
Wuzzy |
Ask #minetest-dev |
| 22:10 |
PureTryOut[m] |
maybe tomorrow, off for tonight |
| 22:11 |
Wuzzy |
Is it safe to add custom fields to node definitions? |
| 22:11 |
Calinou |
both AppImages and Flatpaks can be sandboxed |
| 22:12 |
Calinou |
(AppImage uses Firejail if installed, Flatpak uses systemd cgroups) |
| 22:12 |
PureTryOut[m] |
Wuzzy: I did that, noticed no problems yet ;) |
| 22:12 |
EpilepticPicture |
Calinou: which is nice btw, but has problems i don't remember |
| 22:12 |
Wuzzy |
where did you do it? |
| 22:14 |
EpilepticPicture |
time to do something crazy |
| 22:14 |
EpilepticPicture |
will take my water city world, and worledit all water below from 0 to 32 to solid ground and compare performance |
| 22:14 |
EpilepticPicture |
j4f |
| 22:15 |
EpilepticPicture |
and it will crash for sure |
| 22:17 |
Wuzzy |
I wonder what will happen if you generate a flat world only made out of TNT, then ignite it... :D |
| 22:18 |
EpilepticPicture |
ha |
| 22:19 |
EpilepticPicture |
so i did my experiment |
| 22:19 |
EpilepticPicture |
and hoooly shiiit |
| 22:19 |
EpilepticPicture |
verticed drawn decreased by half |
| 22:19 |
EpilepticPicture |
fps shoots up a lot |
| 22:19 |
EpilepticPicture |
to 80 |
| 22:20 |
EpilepticPicture |
thats the lesson for you |
| 22:20 |
EpilepticPicture |
don't make your city over water |
| 22:20 |
EpilepticPicture |
and protect ground below |
| 22:20 |
EpilepticPicture |
at least to -33 or somewhere near second chunk border |
| 22:20 |
EpilepticPicture |
devs know better |
| 22:20 |
sfan5 |
Wuzzy: probably all tnt in the loaded areas will (try to) explode at once |
| 22:20 |
sfan5 |
causing a stack overflow error in lua |
| 22:22 |
EpilepticPicture |
they will not |
| 22:22 |
EpilepticPicture |
there will be chain reaction |
| 22:22 |
EpilepticPicture |
pretty creepy one |
| 22:22 |
EpilepticPicture |
you better do it without luajit |
| 22:24 |
Wuzzy |
https://i.imgur.com/6mPY34D.png |
| 22:24 |
Wuzzy |
https://i.imgur.com/E50hSn5.png |
| 22:24 |
Wuzzy |
Boom! |
| 22:24 |
Wuzzy |
Okay, first, I die a lot. XD |
| 22:24 |
EpilepticPicture |
sfan5: you said chunk on foot level goes from 0 to -15 ? or from -1 to -16? |
| 22:24 |
EpilepticPicture |
Wuzzy: tnt instead of soil? |
| 22:25 |
Wuzzy |
yes |
| 22:25 |
EpilepticPicture |
i hope there will be no Lua OOM |
| 22:25 |
Wuzzy |
Hmm, maybe I should only change dirt to TNT and not stone, too. XD |
| 22:26 |
Wuzzy |
Minetest becomes really slow after the first explosions |
| 22:26 |
EpilepticPicture |
erm, if you changed stone - much worse |
| 22:26 |
Wuzzy |
:D |
| 22:26 |
Wuzzy |
I wonder if it would be possible to tweak Minetest Game that even extreme cases like this can be handled in an efficient manner. |
| 22:26 |
Wuzzy |
but i guess some tricks need to be done |
| 22:27 |
Wuzzy |
i guess if for every node minetest.remove_node is called this will be serious trouble |
| 22:30 |
EpilepticPicture |
so, my results of just test testing, i've changed everything below me to stone and get fps boost from 78 to 112 fps. |
| 22:30 |
EpilepticPicture |
all that crap, tunnels, bones, water, torches was replaced |
| 22:31 |
EpilepticPicture |
+40% boost |
| 22:31 |
EpilepticPicture |
which is nice |
| 22:31 |
EpilepticPicture |
halved number of vertices |
| 22:31 |
EpilepticPicture |
just test is prime example of spawn made wrong |
| 22:31 |
EpilepticPicture |
totally wrong |
| 22:32 |
EpilepticPicture |
not only there was tons of water with deep shit rendering but also tons of chests |
| 22:32 |
EpilepticPicture |
i hope kids don't read this irc channel >_V |
| 22:33 |
EpilepticPicture |
used shit and crap too much |
| 22:33 |
EpilepticPicture |
was impressed with rendering of that much unneded stuff |
| 22:33 |
EpilepticPicture |
unneeded |
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Jacob_Lavoie |
I have minetest installed as a server on archlinux, my config is located in /srv/minetest, my world is located in /srv/minetest/world. I am trying to install worldedit, i have tried multiple times, folder names, enabling from world.mt |
| 22:40 |
Jacob_Lavoie |
i can not figure out why it is not working... |
| 22:40 |
EpilepticPicture |
what it says? |
| 22:40 |
EpilepticPicture |
any errors? |
| 22:40 |
Jacob_Lavoie |
nothing in debug.txt |
| 22:41 |
EpilepticPicture |
try placing it /world/worldmods/worledit |
| 22:41 |
EpilepticPicture |
it into* |
| 22:41 |
Jacob_Lavoie |
eg /srv/minetest/world/worldmods/worldedit? |
| 22:42 |
Jacob_Lavoie |
as opposed to /srv/minetest/mods or /srv/minetest/world/mods |
| 22:44 |
EpilepticPicture |
wait |
| 22:44 |
EpilepticPicture |
you can try /srv/minetest/world/worldmods/worldedit or /srv/minetest/world/mods/worldedit for sure |
| 22:44 |
EpilepticPicture |
wait |
| 22:45 |
EpilepticPicture |
/srv/minetest/worlds/yourworld/worldmods/worldedit or /srv/minetest/world/mods/worldedit %) |
| 22:45 |
EpilepticPicture |
my guess |
| 22:45 |
EpilepticPicture |
/srv/minetest/worlds/yourworld/worldmods/worldedit or /srv/minetest/mods/worldedit %) final fix |
| 22:50 |
Jacob_Lavoie |
i set the logging to info and i am seeing worldedit referenced now |
| 22:51 |
Jacob_Lavoie |
i mv'ed /world/mods to /world/worldmods |
| 22:51 |
Jacob_Lavoie |
worldmods worked |
| 22:52 |
Jacob_Lavoie |
@EpilepticPicture, +1 thank you |
| 22:55 |
Jacob_Lavoie |
Now to learn how to use worldedit! |
| 22:55 |
EpilepticPicture |
it has a gui |
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sfan5 |
EpilepticPicture: -1 to -15 (both inclusive) |
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EpilepticPicture |
ty |
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