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greetings |
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Benrob0329[m] |
Hello kaeza |
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This is what happens when two roads meet, both going from 2 to 4 lanes at the intersection: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/screenshot_20170125_195724.png |
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cheapie: nice, and technic solar array too..;) |
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cheapie |
Some "slightly" edited lighting: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/slightlyeditedlighting.png |
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DI3HARD139 |
Question. What type of hash does Minetest use for user accounts? |
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DI3HARD139 |
SHA-1? |
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garywhite |
cheapie what did you do for that photo? |
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cheapie |
Some effects in GIMP. |
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DI3HARD139 |
Oh damn. I thought MT got some much needed lighting effects added to it ;( |
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DI3HARD139 |
:( |
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garywhite |
Still cool, looks like you took it near cheapie city |
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cheapie |
I did. It's some random transmission tower just east of there. |
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garywhite |
Might be my old transmitter, but it's not that tall |
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Alcyone2 |
Hi everyone :) is there a mod which gives the possibility to give to each new player on server an particular item (I think to a book filled with an introduction text) |
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Alcyone2 |
? |
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kaeza |
you mean give_initial_stuff? |
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kaeza |
not sure if you can give written books though |
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Alcyone2 |
yes something like that, adding to the initial stuff a book explaining few things |
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Alcyone2 |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13366&hilit=initial+book+mod |
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Alcyone2 |
I just found this, I'm reading |
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kaeza |
that looks usable |
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Alcyone2 |
yes, but not so much information on a things are ruled |
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Alcyone2 |
but I like the idea of the command /guide even if it is not so role play x) |
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kaeza |
!mod doc |
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MinetestBot |
kaeza: Documentation System [doc] by Wuzzy - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=15222 |
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kaeza |
that may also be helpful |
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Alcyone2 |
Yes, is it the automatic one ? |
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Alcyone2 |
I never tried it (my bad...I promessed to Wuzzy to do it) |
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kaeza |
I think you will need this one: |
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kaeza |
!mod doc_items |
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MinetestBot |
kaeza: Item Documentation [doc_items] by Wuzzy - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=15300 |
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kaeza |
may I also suggest: |
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kaeza |
!mod wiki |
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MinetestBot |
kaeza: Wiki Mod [wiki] by kaeza - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=6492 |
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Alcyone2 |
That interesting because it brings a lot of information on mods |
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Alcyone2 |
that's* |
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Alcyone2 |
And I'm also thinking to this |
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Alcyone2 |
but first I want a king of book with text (or command, why not) you can have everywhere with few special information |
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Alcyone2 |
I'm currently setting up a server for leisure and educational purpose in my local hackerspace |
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Alcyone2 |
I will use the 31000 nodes in every direction to set several layer (cave_realms, nether, other worlds, etc...) and for example I want to give few information about at whih layer players need to dig to find them |
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Alcyone2 |
That's just an example |
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Alcyone2 |
It's not exactle the same purpose than the rules written at spawn point |
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Alcyone2 |
It's just few information about all the things added to the game !) |
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Alcyone2 |
:) |
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Alcyone2 |
but not really to a particular mod, for that I'm interested in documentation system mod |
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kaeza |
I think the book will work just fine in that case |
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Alcyone2 |
yes, I think too :) |
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Alcyone2 |
I keep ypour wiki mod, it's really a good idea ! |
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Alcyone2 |
We intend to participate to around the minetest educative community, create ressources and educative materials |
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Alcyone2 |
I'm sure it would have a role to play |
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Alcyone2 |
-to |
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crazyR |
any forum admins online? |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all! Happy Thursday, and happy Australia Day! 😃 🌠🨠|
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crazyR |
Is there a way to detect which ABM is causing these errors: active block modifiers took 266ms (longer than 200ms) |
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paramat |
use the built-in mod profiler, it shows time used by each ABM |
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IhrFussel |
CSM will require clients to utilize for RAM for Minetest right? |
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IhrFussel |
more RAM* |
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Fixer |
IhrFussel: i think yes |
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Fixer |
IhrFussel: depends on mods itself, how heavy they will be |
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IhrFussel |
Fixer, do you think there will be mods that run purely client-side? Like...the server does practically nothing? |
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IhrFussel |
Cause I tested a few mods earlier that are considered "heavy" and 1 mod can increase RAM usage by 20-30 MB ... if I imagine a server with 10 of such heavy mods or 20 less heavy ones mobile users with 512 MB are already screwed |
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IhrFussel |
My server requires ~ 600 MB RAM in total without CSM which is even pretty high on a 1 GB RAM phone/tablet (cheap devices barely have more than 1 GB anyway) |
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IhrFussel |
It's a shame that only a fraction of mods seem to care about mobile users even though they are a large part of the total user base |
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Fixer |
IhrFussel: server will still do its work, client-side is for sounds, hud, maybe physics, etc, will see |
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IhrFussel |
So the server will likely still do all the logical stuff? Okay |
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luizsab |
Hello! Is the Minetest development finished? Wiki says it is in alpha stage, is that? |
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juhdanad |
Definitely not. Minetest is actively developed. |
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IhrFussel |
luizsab, the version number should tell you that it is not finished "0.X.XX" |
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luizsab |
and is it the alpha stage? |
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IhrFussel |
But it should run stable enough to pretty much guarantee a decent experience (in singleplayer and multiplayer) |
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IhrFussel |
Errors caused by mods are external errors IMO and shouldn't count as development |
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luizsab |
Yes, it is awesome to me. I need just information/confirmation, I'm helping with the wiki translation |
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IhrFussel |
Oh then yes it's in Alpha |
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IhrFussel |
AFAIK |
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IhrFussel |
At least nobody here ever mentioned it being Beta |
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sfan5 |
i associate alpha with half-broken software |
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luizsab |
And this information does not seem current |
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sfan5 |
minetest runs pretty much perfectly since a few years |
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sfan5 |
it's just not finished |
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IhrFussel |
sfan5, Beta means it's in a testing stage before full release...that's how most other games define "Beta" |
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sfan5 |
yeah however this doesn't really work here |
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sfan5 |
there is no "full release" planned |
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IhrFussel |
Well then go ahead and update the wording xP |
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paramat |
Minetest will never be finished, hopefully |
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luizsab |
Yes, thank you guys |
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paramat |
maybe it will then be called Minepass |
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paramat |
i feel it's post-beta |
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juhdanad |
It sounds like a credit casd. |
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luizsab |
I allways come here to confirmation some informations before update |
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juhdanad |
*card |
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IhrFussel |
Haha...will it ever reach 0.5 I wonder? |
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paramat |
well 0.3 was a very different game |
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paramat |
i can see 0.4 being very long term |
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paramat |
we could change to 4.15.0 |
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juhdanad |
Yes! There is smooth lighting, it is a big change. |
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IhrFussel |
How was it different? |
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paramat |
0.3 had no Lua modding |
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sfan5 |
clearly 0.5 needs to have some big innovation |
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sfan5 |
how about we port it to java? |
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IhrFussel |
You go first^^ |
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IhrFussel |
Is the Java on Android even the same as Java on desktop? |
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sfan5 |
partially |
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IhrFussel |
And what makes Java so slow again compared to C++? I'm guessing it isn't "low-level" enough and takes more CPU calls? |
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sfan5 |
ask google |
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sfan5 |
you'll find lots of info |
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IhrFussel |
I kinda believe the info Google will give me is too technical |
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juhdanad |
What about a 6 level RGB palette as the default palette? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/RGB_6levels_palette_sample_image.png |
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juhdanad |
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/RGB_6levels_palette_color_test_chart.png |
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paramat |
not sure we need a default palette |
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juhdanad |
How do I remove an item when the player uses it? (like the apple) |
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Benrob0329[m] |
An itemstack update I believe |
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[git] juhdanad -> minetest/minetest: Fix after hardware node coloring (#5114) c268db7 https://git.io/vMjlX (2017-01-26T15:10:56Z) |
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VanessaE |
oops. |
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thefamilygrog66 |
how's it going, V? |
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VanessaE |
going ok |
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VanessaE |
all right, I must be missing something - how do I do a bitwise AND/OR etc again? |
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thefamilygrog66 |
right on. |
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paramat |
there's no biwise in Lua? |
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paramat |
(bitwise) |
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paramat |
afaik there is not |
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sfan5 |
that's correct |
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agaran |
there is bit.band() if you do require("bit") |
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nore |
paramat: no, there isn't |
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nore |
because lua numbers are floats actually |
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paramat |
i see |
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* twoelk |
imagines floating lua numbers in the ice sea |
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Fixer |
ooms |
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red-001 |
<juhdanad> [10:06:22] How do I remove an item when the player uses it? (like the apple) |
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red-001 |
you could just take a look at the code for apple |
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juhdanad |
Thanks, I figured it out for now. |
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[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Dungeons: Add mapgen alias for desert stone stairs 1dd9fdb https://git.io/vMjbH (2017-01-26T17:56:16Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] numberZero -> minetest/minetest_game: Stairs: Fix smooth lighting of stair mesh 38500da https://git.io/vMjbQ (2017-01-26T17:55:16Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] rubenwardy -> minetest/minetest_game: Creative: Add creative.is_enabled_for bee5b31 https://git.io/vMjb7 (2017-01-26T17:54:45Z) |
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IhrFussel |
Is there a direct link for .zip files on the Minetest site? I'd like to download one via wget that was only added as post attachment |
| 18:32 |
red-001 |
for the binary? |
| 18:32 |
red-001 |
don't think so |
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IhrFussel |
Nope a mod |
| 18:32 |
red-001 |
linux right? |
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IhrFussel |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=14541 |
| 18:33 |
red-001 |
is it hosted on the forum? |
| 18:34 |
IhrFussel |
Yes it downloads from https://forum.minetest.net/download/file.php |
| 18:34 |
red-001 |
just wget https://forum.minetest.net/download/file.php?id=8636&sid=b39bbfafaeff43dd0a5df32ce35c15a5 ? |
| 18:34 |
red-001 |
or https://forum.minetest.net/download/file.php?id=8636 |
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IhrFussel |
But the 2nd link at least only downloads the PHP site it seems |
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IhrFussel |
file.php?id=8636.1 100%[=========================================>] 399,77K 1,99MB/s in 0,2s |
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red-001 |
you added .1? |
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agaran |
wget adds when there is file already in dir with same name |
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agaran |
equivalent of windows (1).. |
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IhrFussel |
What he said^ |
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red-001 |
direct download seems to work.. |
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agaran |
hi Krock |
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IhrFussel |
So is the download file the .zip file? |
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red-001 |
I used curl and it work fine |
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red-001 |
curl https://forum.minetest.net/download/file.php?id=8636 > file.zip |
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IhrFussel |
curl follows redirects AFAIK |
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red-001 |
unzip file.zip |
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IhrFussel |
red-001, yes curl works..thanks |
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sofar |
curl doesn't follow redirects by default in many cases |
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sofar |
curl -L -O $url is your friend |
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IhrFussel |
sofar, wget doesn't have that option though right? |
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sofar |
curl is a better library, and more robust code |
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sofar |
so the curl program is a bit more down to earth |
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sofar |
hence, in wget you probably don't need the option |
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sofar |
I don't see a way to tell wget to NOT follow redirects at all |
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IhrFussel |
sofar, when I tried to download a .zip from the Minetest forum it just download a octet/stream file "file.php?ID" ... was that the .zip? |
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sofar |
probably |
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sofar |
run `file` on it |
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IhrFussel |
You're right o.o file.php?id=8636: Zip archive data, at least v1.0 to extract |
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IhrFussel |
red-001, one of my moderators thinks the red on my server might be a faker...could you confirm here that it's you? |
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red-001 |
yeah it's me |
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IhrFussel |
Okay alright =) |
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IhrFussel |
Sorry, it's just that many people like to fake popular people |
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[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Dungeongen: Fix selection of diagonal corridors 2a89531 https://git.io/vDecD (2017-01-26T20:19:05Z) |
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[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Dungeons: Add nodebox stairs to desert and sandstone dungeons ae929ce https://git.io/vDecS (2017-01-26T20:18:54Z) |
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red-001 |
IhrFussel, does your server have "disable_escape_sequences" set to true? |
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IhrFussel |
red-001, in minetest.conf? |
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red-001 |
yes |
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IhrFussel |
"grep disable .minetest/minetest.conf" only shows "disable_anticheat = true" |
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red-001 |
huh I have no idea whats going wrong with my code than |
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IhrFussel |
Did you see my message about the compile date? Is it supposed to work with a server build compiled Jan 3? |
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red-001 |
it should |
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IhrFussel |
red-001, did you try on a 0.4.15 stable server yet? |
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red-001 |
not yet |
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IhrFussel |
Did it work on any public server yet? Or only in singleplayer? |
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red-001 |
wait so whats the protocol version of your server? |
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cheapie |
What's the proper way to get the position of an entity? getpos() (as in "self:getpos()") just crashes with an "attempt to call a nil value" error. |
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red-001 |
try get_pos |
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cheapie |
That makes it crash sooner (before it even gets there) with the same error. |
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cheapie |
Huh, and now that's giving the same behavior as getpos()... which is still a crash, either way. |
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cheapie |
If it helps, this is in an "on_step" function in an entity definition. |
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agaran |
cheapie: from where you get 'self' then? |
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cheapie |
It's passed as a parameter to the on_step function, according to the docs. |
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IhrFussel |
red-001, how to see the protocol version? |
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cheapie |
I basically have "on_step = function(self)", containing the line "local pos = self:getpos()", which is where it's crashing. |
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cheapie |
I also tried moving a different line that uses "self" above that line, and it crashes on that one (get_properties()) as well. |
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cheapie |
OK, further reading and experimentation seems to indicate that I need to use "self.object" instead. That could /probably/ be made a bit more clear. |
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red-001 |
IhrFussel, could you check if your server was compiled just before the commit that removed chat prediction got merged? |
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IhrFussel |
red-001, it is the commit from Jan 3...the prediction got removed after that |
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IhrFussel |
WAIT |
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IhrFussel |
That explains it...my register_on_chat_message() works like this: message arrives, check if moderator or admin, then send to each player EXCEPT for the sender cause the prediction was still enabled at that time |
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IhrFussel |
That means any client that connects with a disabled version will not see their own messages |
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red-001 |
yeah removing chat prediction was kinda a mess |
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IhrFussel |
So that means I'll have to send the message to the sender too now...and if the client is an older version they will see the message twice |
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red-001 |
could you just return false in the message handler if they are not a mod? |
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red-001 |
that way only mods and admins will be forced to update |
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IhrFussel |
No, it loops through all players to append [H], [MOD], [Admin] to the message |
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red-001 |
are there a lot of helpers/mods? |
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IhrFussel |
You can check with /moderators and /helpers if you are still on |
| 20:55 |
IhrFussel |
Or I can count them for you |
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IhrFussel |
14 moderators and 7 helpers...but the loop is to display the rank to all others |
| 20:57 |
IhrFussel |
So I can either ignore the new clients for now and they will not see their own messages...or I send the older clients the same message they see on their client again |
| 20:58 |
red-001 |
well if you don't need to change their message you can let minetest handle it |
| 20:58 |
red-001 |
so just return false if it's a normal user |
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IhrFussel |
I'll post part of my register chat message code one sec |
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IhrFussel |
red-001, http://pastebin.com/dAe2tqus |
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IhrFussel |
red-001, I forgot this line "if tuser ~= name" inside for loop |
| 21:07 |
red-001 |
could you post the updated version? |
| 21:10 |
IhrFussel |
http://pastebin.com/V0A8SuPs |
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sfan5 |
. |
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sfan5 |
it's nice how flawless the logging bot survives a mariadb upgrade |
| 21:13 |
red-001 |
try http://pastebin.com/0NP0tRib |
| 21:13 |
red-001 |
should also be more efficient |
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red-001 |
IhrFussel ^ |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit: Show light level a node receives with //inspect, fixes #128 426f3b9 https://git.io/vDeuK (2017-01-26T21:27:30Z) |
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sfan5 |
^ Fixer |
| 21:28 |
Fixer |
nice |
| 21:31 |
cheapie |
I'm making some kind of progress on my "elevator" mod: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/screenshot_20170126_153040.png |
| 21:32 |
agaran |
cheapie: actually moving player who is seated across column of nodes? |
| 21:33 |
cheapie |
The stone there is the elevator car (I don't have any actual textures or anything for it yet). It turns into an entity, which moves up/down with the player attached, and then turns back into a node again. |
| 21:33 |
cheapie |
The "with the player attached" part is the hard part so far. |
| 21:34 |
cheapie |
I have the position sorted out so far, now I just need to stop them from falling through when it stops. |
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agaran |
move player -bit- more above so when entity->node happens player can't have enough time to fall thru? |
| 21:34 |
cheapie |
Yep, that's the plan. |
| 21:34 |
cheapie |
(or something similar) |
| 21:36 |
cheapie |
The reason that the player is on their side in the screenshot was because I hadn't quite figured out attachment yet :P |
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Jericho |
So minetest seemd a lot more dead then I remember |
| 22:17 |
Calinou |
Jericho: Minetest is still very much alive, I'm afraid :P |
| 22:17 |
Calinou |
the hype is over, obviously, but it's still there |
| 22:17 |
||Jericho|| |
Good |
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||Jericho|| |
I would have been more active but ya know, college |
| 22:19 |
||Jericho|| |
What servers currently have IRC support? That's somewhere on the website, right? |
| 22:20 |
||Jericho|| |
minetest irc |
| 22:20 |
sfan5 |
generally VanessaE's servers are connected to a seperate irc network |
| 22:21 |
sfan5 |
some others too probably |
| 22:21 |
rubenwardy |
seriously, wtf https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=248412#p248412 |
| 22:23 |
Calinou |
I've seen worse, rubenwardy |
| 22:23 |
Calinou |
someone bumped a 10-year old post on the Sauerbraten forums |
| 22:23 |
Calinou |
but it was 10 years day-for-day |
| 22:23 |
rubenwardy |
I personally think pointless bumps should be deleted and the user warned |
| 22:23 |
rubenwardy |
I've mentioned this before |
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rubenwardy |
a lot, probably |
| 22:24 |
Calinou |
it's not always intentional |
| 22:24 |
rubenwardy |
true |
| 22:24 |
Calinou |
the ideal would be to have a "don't deter this post unless you really need to" dialog appearing above the reply box |
| 22:24 |
rubenwardy |
that's why you delete the posts |
| 22:24 |
Calinou |
for topics whose last reply is > 6 months old |
| 22:24 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, that too |
| 22:24 |
Calinou |
many forums have that now |
| 22:25 |
rubenwardy |
would be nice to have, celeron55 :) |
| 22:26 |
celeron55 |
yeah more changes for this ancient phpbb installation to deter any attempt at ever upgrading it |
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Fixer |
Calinou: necroposting is fun |
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cheapie |
Ah, the wonders of unifieddyes... |
| 23:34 |
cheapie |
"Faint dark red-violet (low saturation) stained glass" is a thing now :P |
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