IRC log for #minetest, 2017-04-10

Time	Nick	Message
00:04	Jordach	!tell Fixer Planet Coaster master race
00:04	MinetestBot	Jordach: I'll pass that on when Fixer is around
00:10	rdococ	hm
00:13	rdococ	how do I wear armor out without an initial punch?
00:13	rdococ	I would like my wings to gradually wear out as you fly
00:13	epoch	that's neat.
00:13	rdococ	?
00:14	epoch	wings to fly with.
00:14	rdococ	Yeah.
00:14	rdococ	You can dive down to catch some air and speed, and then back up to gain some extra height.
00:15	epoch	like in mario 64?
00:15	epoch	but exaggerated?
00:16	epoch	or um... super mario world I guess.
00:16	epoch	that cape was like a cheat code in that game if you could fly it right.
00:16	rdococ	Yes, like in Super Mario 64.
00:16	rdococ	And Super Mario World. The two do have similar flight systems.
00:18	rdococ	The wings are rather small, and attach to your back.
00:19	rdococ	But they do look like the wings on the Wing Cap, and in fact were designed based on that.
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00:30	rdococ	However, I would like for them to wear out over time, but I'm not familiar with 3d_armor's armor inventory system - or any inventory system for that matter.
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00:41	rdococ	So do you have any idea on how to do it?
00:41	MinetestBot	[git] numberZero -> minetest/minetest: Hard-coded undersampling. 0a88346 https://git.io/vSK4j (2017-04-10T00:30:19Z)
00:56	rdococ	I think I have a working solution
00:57	rdococ	hm
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00:58	rdococ	do tools break at wear=65535, or wear=65536
01:03	rdococ	ugh
01:06	rdococ	Hm.
01:06	rdococ	Should the player activate diving by looking down, or holding a button?
01:07	epoch	should it fly like a flight simulator?
01:10	rdococ	Nah, not that realistic.
01:11	rdococ	I'd like for it to fly sorta like in Super Mario 64.
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01:21	rdococ	I'm going to try some alternative approaches to the flight physics.
01:22	rdococ	If your walk speed is 1, what velocity do you go at when you move?
01:22	rdococ	1?
01:36	epoch	I'd say make flying faster than walker.
01:36	epoch	maybe 3
01:36	epoch	or less. walking is pretty fast already.
01:37	rdococ	Nvm, that's not what I meant, but yeah.
01:39	rdococ	I mean, if your physics_override's speed was at 1, and you walked forward, what would your get_player_velocity be?
01:40	epoch	I dunno. :/
01:40	epoch	it'd be a heading and a distance per something, right?
01:41	epoch	or do they just send back a value of the speed?
01:41	rdococ	player:get_player_velocity() returns a 3D vector with the player's velocity in each axis.
01:42	rdococ	Now what I'm trying to figure out, is what walk speed corresponds to a velocity in the X/Z plane.
01:53	rdococ	I have multiple ideas on how the wings should work.
01:54	rdococ	The one I'm testing right now is one where you control your flight direction with your view pitch, and the higher you go, the slower you get - until you stall.
02:01	epoch	how much height could be gained with each dive and climb?
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02:07	rdococ	You mean in the system where I hold space to dive?
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02:25	rdococ	hi
02:27	ircSparky	dont fly too close to the sun
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04:16	epoch	how about for the mods that don't allow cutting of tree by hand, the trees will randomly drop "limbs".
04:16	epoch	and if trees can do that might as well have them randomly drop fruit and regrow?
04:17	epoch	most of the time the limbs would just be sticks, but sometimes a block of wood.
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06:06	MinetestBot	[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Clang format: fix LINT on old PR which doesn't have LINT enabled 0419552 https://git.io/vSKo8 (2017-04-10T06:05:03Z)
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07:21	MinetestBot	[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Clang-format styles fixes since previous commit b4106ca https://git.io/vSKP2 (2017-04-10T07:17:53Z)
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07:40	MinetestBot	[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Clang-format fix for Android 0bc306e https://git.io/vSKXP (2017-04-10T07:40:06Z)
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08:17	DS-minetest	wow, the farlands subgame is great
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09:06	JamesTait	Good morning all! Happy Monday, and happy Golfer's Day! ðŸ˜ƒ ðŸŒ â›³
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09:23	red-001	hi JamesTait
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09:40	JamesTait	ðŸ‘‹ red-001
09:43	* red-001	see a box with numbers
09:43	red-001	sees*
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10:04	DS-minetest	does anyone know what the old mesecon:addPosRule function did?
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10:12	MinetestBot	Fixer: Apr-10 00:04 UTC <Jordach> Planet Coaster master race
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11:22	red-001	OldCoder you should remove nayncats from your store if you ever start accually selling stuff. Nyancats are a registered trademark.
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11:40	rdococ	yawn
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12:28	IhrFussel	I use the Mobs Redo API on my server together with several mod packs for animals ... some animals can walk through walls that are 1 node wide I think ... I'm looking at the code right now but it would be nice if someone could tell me which setting likely causes this wrong behavior
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12:31	IhrFussel	This is the code for one affected animal https://github.com/NathanSalapat/arctic_life/blob/master/penguin.lua
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14:20	Tre	hi Krock
14:21	Krock	hi Tre
14:21	rdococ	I've come up with three wing tiers. Now I just need a good image for the third tier.
14:21	rdococ	The first tier is wooden wings, which are brown-colored versions of the second tier, the wool wings.
14:22	rdococ	Unfortunately, I made the image for the second tier of wings too good, and now I can't come up with a better alternative for the third tier.
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15:10	Tre	what about doing titanium wings?
15:10	Tre	rdodoc ^
15:14	rdococ	Wouldn't titanium wings be too heavy?
15:14	Tre	not if they are thin, they can be really strong, also check out graphine wings
15:15	rdococ	true
15:15	rdococ	but which titanium mod
15:15	Tre	idk, do you have xtraores installed?
15:15	rdococ	don't think so
15:16	Tre	ok, then there is a spearate titainium mod for you then
15:16	Tre	or jsut make your own
15:16	Tre	just*
15:16	rdococ	I do have glooptest
15:16	rdococ	and quartz
15:19	rdococ	I could get xtraores
15:19	rdococ	and my wings mod does use 3d_armor
15:19	Tre	its a really cool mod
15:20	Tre	it son my server
15:20	Tre	its on *
15:20	rdococ	. o O ( bone wings would be cool )
15:21	Tre	. o O 0 O o .
15:21	rdococ	you mean https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12798 ?
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15:21	Tre	yes
15:22	rdococ	k
15:22	cheapie	<some random forum post> i meant the integrity/authenticity of the software that is connected to the server
15:22	Tre	im going to try and make my own ores mod kind of like xtra
15:22	cheapie	Grr, it seems like people want to add crypto-BS to everything these days.
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15:23	Tre	huh?
15:23	cheapie	Thankfully, it got shot down pretty fast: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=17182
15:24	rdococ	ugh
15:24	rdococ	crypto BS?
15:24	rdococ	also YAY CHEAPIE
15:24	cheapie	Hi :P
15:24	rdococ	:P
15:24	rdococ	I'm working on a wings mod
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15:30	* rdococ	bored
15:33	red-001	that would have been the software equivalent of security theater
15:40	rdococ	Okay, so I've decided that the third tier of wings will be titanium. And they do look pretty cool.
15:40	rdococ	What about the second tier?
15:40	rdococ	Right now, the tiers are:
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15:40	rdococ	Wooden, Wool, and Titanium.
15:41	Tre	hm
15:41	Tre	what ores do you have installed?
15:41	Tre	or ant to use
15:41	Tre	want*
15:42	rdococ	I do have a lot of mods.
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15:43	Tre	wait! i know! pbj pup candy wings
15:45	rdococ	?
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15:53	* rdococ	is redesigning his wing thing to have an API
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15:55	Tre	ah well it was an idea
15:55	rdococ	?
15:55	rdococ	heh
15:56	rdococ	idk what you even mean by pbj pup
15:56	rdococ	so
16:05	Tre	its the new nyan
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16:11	rdococ	É²an kat
16:11	rdococ	É²Ã¦n kÃ¦t
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16:22	swift110	sup folks
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16:24	Tre	not much
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16:29	iisu	Hi.
16:30	DS-minetest	hi
16:36	Tre	hi DS
16:37	DS-minetest	hi Tre
16:37	Tre	im trying to make an ores mod that has all of that exotic ores that i think are really cool do you guys have any suggestions?
16:37	swift110	cool tre
16:38	swift110	are any of you playing minetest on a core2duo laptop?
16:38	Tre	no, im playing it on an old toughbook
16:38	swift110	Tre: what are its specs
16:38	DS-minetest	trinium
16:39	iisu	So I'm making my first mod and I'm trying to make food.
16:40	DS-minetest	doing two things at once could be a mistake
16:40	iisu	A friend told me about minetest.do_item_eat() but idk if it solves all the problems because Idk what hunger mods the end users would use and how they work.
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16:40	DS-minetest	iisu: just look into default apple code
16:40	iisu	It does work with a random hunger mod I installed on singleplayer (Blockmen's hud and hunger).
16:41	Tre	hmmm..... @swift110 1.6 max GHz single-core 2GB ram
16:41	Tre	sry i was afk
16:41	swift110	its fine
16:41	swift110	wow sounds like an old toughbook for sure
16:42	Tre	trinium, ill have to look that up
16:42	Tre	yeah its about 20 yrs old
16:42	Tre	or more
16:42	Tre	its a panasonic CF-29 if you want the model
16:43	iisu	DS-minetest: on_use = minetest.item_eat() is not the solution. minetest.do_item_eat() seems to be but idk if there's something I can't see right now.
16:44	swift110	oh wow
16:44	swift110	im amazed it can play minetest at all then
16:46	Tre	i have been playing around with settings, and window managers in order to play this
16:46	DS-minetest	http://dev.minetest.net/item_eat
16:46	Tre	right now im running openbox, with opaque leaves and mipmap on
16:47	Tre	and also connected glass
16:47	rubenwardy	iisu, do_item_eat should work with hunger mods, if they are programmed correctly
16:47	rubenwardy	also, Blockmen's hud and hunger isn't maintained and has bugs
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16:50	DS-minetest	it looks like both does the same with the difference that the do version has more parameters
16:50	DS-minetest	but idk
16:50	w_laenger	I need help with calculating the digging time
16:50	w_laenger	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/tool.cpp#L122
16:51	w_laenger	If I understand it correctly, there it tests if time is smaller than result time to avoid unneeded calculation
16:51	w_laenger	but in line 126 result_time may be set to something smaller than time
16:52	w_laenger	Is it a bug?
16:52	swift110	wow
16:53	Tre	wow what?
16:53	Tre	how do i accept?
16:54	rubenwardy	DS-minetest, nope
16:54	rubenwardy	do_item_eat is a function the performs the item eat
16:54	rubenwardy	item_eat is a default on_use action
16:54	Tre	swift im on there
16:54	rubenwardy	ie: you do on_use = minetest.item_eat(2) but can't use do_item_eat
16:55	rubenwardy	it's confusing, yeah
16:55	Tre	swift110 why did you invite me there?
16:55	rdococ	ah
16:55	rdococ	that makes sense
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17:01	Tre	hi gary
17:01	garywhite_	hi Tre
17:02	Tre	im trying to make an ores mod that has all of that exotic ores that i think are really cool do you have any suggestions?
17:02	DS-minetest	trinium
17:02	Tre	i already got that
17:02	DS-minetest	ook
17:03	DS-minetest	what else do u have already?
17:03	Tre	nada
17:03	Tre	nothing
17:03	DS-minetest	than add ummm
17:03	Tre	this is going to be my first mod
17:03	DS-minetest	nequadah
17:03	DS-minetest	naquadah*
17:03	DS-minetest	mÃ¼rtel
17:04	Tre	thats already in another mod, the nadqueda
17:04	rubenwardy	Brightsteel
17:04	rubenwardy	http://inheritance.wikia.com/wiki/Brightsteel
17:06	Tre	ok ill look at all of those
17:06	w_laenger	Tre, lots of mods add more ores but most of those ores are good for nothing
17:06	Tre	true, but im going to pick ores that look really cool, and also are useful
17:08	rdococ	Tecelisium
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17:13	w_laenger	Can I use time_from_last_punch to abuse anticheat?
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18:09	rdococ	I'm working on a mod which needs to keep track of all currently spawned entities.
18:09	rdococ	How would I do that?
18:14	rdococ	Do objects have a get_properties method?
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19:13	MinetestBot	[git] red-001 -> minetest/minetest: [CSM] Move `.list_players` and `.disconnect` to builtin. (#5550) e8d8723 https://git.io/vSiGL (2017-04-10T19:13:20Z)
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19:15	MinetestBot	[git] red-001 -> minetest/minetest: [CSM] Use more gettext (#5553) eb58799 https://git.io/vSiGc (2017-04-10T19:14:00Z)
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19:48	iisu	Why do I get kicked from #minetest-mods when I join it?
19:50	fireglow	are you a minetest mod?
19:50	rubenwardy	because it was deleted
19:50	rubenwardy	no one can join
19:50	fireglow	:<
19:52	iisu	I've added some items and now I want mobs to drop them when they get killed, provided there are mobs on the server. Do I have to care about this at all or is it something you would expect the end user to do?
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19:53	greeter	i've built a statue of a fire hydrant, and i want to set it up so that a door can be opened to allow water to flow from it. however even when open, the doors don't allow the water to flow out. any way around this?
19:55	iisu	put some block in place of the doors and set some mesecon stuff to move the block.
19:56	greeter	umm there's no mesecons on the server i'm playing on. though that is a great idea if i try this on such a server
20:01	greeter	i know of one way it will work, just put an easily broken node in front of the water source. was just wondering if i had other options :-)
20:03	iisu	Do I need to care about letting the mobs drop stuff from my mod or is it something a server admin would do if they want to use my mod?
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20:27	iisu	How do I check player's SP (satiation points)?
20:29	rdococ	. o O ( do MT hunger mods even have SP? )
20:31	iisu	I'm just browsing one mod's source code and this one has hunger which cat be checked with get_hunger(player).
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20:32	iisu	I want it to work with possibly many popular hunger mods but I don't even know which are popular.
20:35	iisu	Different mods may have different scales also. aaaargh
20:35	rdococ	aaaargh
20:35	rdococ	we need get_maxhunger()
20:36	rdococ	To be fair, if the hunger mod supports item_eat, you could item_eat(negative numbers).
20:36	rdococ	if you want them to lose hunger.
20:36	rdococ	then again
20:36	rdococ	you don't get the hunger value
20:36	rdococ	nvm
20:37	PureTryOut[m]	iisu: can or can't be checked?
20:38	iisu	Huh?
20:38	iisu	idk, it depends on the hunger mod.
20:38	iisu	I just want to get the value.
20:39	PureTryOut[m]	"one mod's source code and this one has hunger which cat be checked with ..."
20:39	PureTryOut[m]	what mod and can or can it not be checked?
20:39	iisu	can*
20:39	iisu	Sorry.
20:39	PureTryOut[m]	aah ok
20:40	PureTryOut[m]	I made my own hunger mod a while ago
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22:12	rdococ	Does my mod need to check for player death, or does 3d_armor call the unequip callback then?
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22:36	rdococ	^^
22:37	Tre	idk
22:39	red-001	^
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23:10	Hijiri	rdococ: there's no way to keep track of loaded entities
23:10	Hijiri	but you said spawned, does that mean you have control over the entities?
23:10	Hijiri	or did you just mean existing entities in general
23:12	rdococ	nvm
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