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Bobby_D |
What would cause this error? http://i.imgur.com/Fr1zeYk.png |
| 01:20 |
Bobby_D |
I was working on mods, undone everything i did. |
| 01:20 |
Bobby_D |
But my main world wont load not i get that error. I can make a new world using every mod (same mods) as my main world and it works |
| 01:20 |
Bobby_D |
So like one world wont load but all others load using same mods. |
| 01:22 |
Bobby_D |
World where all main on same versoin of minetest also. |
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Genshin |
that's a minetest.conf issue |
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Bobby_D |
Does it load the main config or load the one in the world folder? |
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Bobby_D |
game folder i mean. sorry im noobis |
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Bobby_D |
What i mean is there is a config in main directory and a config in the 'games' folder |
| 01:28 |
Genshin |
This should help: http://wiki.minetest.net/Minetest.conf, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example |
| 01:29 |
Bobby_D |
You seen where I can make a new world using all same mods and it works. Just 1 world no longer works? Just making sure becauase i suck at explaingin lol |
| 01:32 |
Genshin |
Have you tried setting this to the minetest.conf file? send_pre_v25_init = true |
| 01:33 |
Bobby_D |
Just tried that, same thing. |
| 01:33 |
Bobby_D |
It's just so odd because I can make new world with same mods so literally same thing and it loads but not my world i built lol |
| 01:35 |
Genshin |
What version of minetest are you running? |
| 01:35 |
Bobby_D |
0.4.16 |
| 01:36 |
Genshin |
hmm |
| 01:36 |
Bobby_D |
The world was working; I was editing some mods. Coudln't get what I wanted to work. So edited them back. Then world stopped loading. Tested making the new with same seed/game/mods to try to track down. But it worked, so I kinda hit a wall lol |
| 01:36 |
Genshin |
Happens |
| 01:37 |
Genshin |
Have you tried undo-ing? |
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Bobby_D |
I did undo everything I did. |
| 01:38 |
Genshin |
And yet you're having the same problem? |
| 01:38 |
Bobby_D |
Yes. |
| 01:38 |
Bobby_D |
I mean I can literallymake a world Using the same seed mods and it works fine. |
| 01:39 |
Bobby_D |
by same seed and mods I mean the exact same seed and mods on the world giving that error. |
| 01:39 |
Bobby_D |
But a new one works just fine yet my exsiting don't. |
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Bobby_D |
I just took the map.sqlite from the one that isn't loading; and put replaced it one of the new worlds i made and it loaded... |
| 01:41 |
Bobby_D |
Odd considering I didn't edit anything in the world folder.. |
| 01:42 |
Bobby_D |
I'm going to keep copying all my files from the "world" folder over until it errors out (if it does which it should) then I should be able to trace it |
| 01:44 |
Genshin |
well map.sqlite can get corrupted at some occasions during modification, should be careful. |
| 01:44 |
Bobby_D |
the map.sqlite is basically the world right? |
| 01:45 |
Bobby_D |
I mean it loaded taht fine. I basically have the world back I'm just curious why that 'folder' isn't working when all others are. |
| 01:45 |
Genshin |
map.squlite is the map database. |
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Genshin |
*sqlite* |
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Bobby_D |
I think i found the file |
| 01:50 |
Bobby_D |
env_meta.txt |
| 01:51 |
Bobby_D |
When i copied that over. I got the error |
| 01:52 |
Genshin |
env.meta.txt is the environment metadata |
| 01:52 |
Genshin |
just letting you know |
| 01:52 |
Bobby_D |
When i try to open the broken one it says File will not be displayed (trying to opy in visual studio code) |
| 01:53 |
Genshin |
looks like it got corrupted |
| 01:53 |
Bobby_D |
I agree with you bro. I'm just finishing all files though only like 7 more. Want to make sure that was only one |
| 01:54 |
Bobby_D |
Yup, that is the one. |
| 01:54 |
Bobby_D |
That shouldn't break my world though right? If I just grab a generic one it will update to right stuff? |
| 01:56 |
Genshin |
go ahead and try, though if I were you and I'm fiddling with code I would make a new world just to be safe. |
| 01:56 |
Bobby_D |
I will be for now own. Going to make a 'test world' lol |
| 01:57 |
Bobby_D |
It does seem pretty generic. I know I can when I loaded my map.sql it did have all my buildings, etc... |
| 01:58 |
behalebabo |
Bobby_D: this problem is known and very simple to fix, see here: http://wiki.minetest.net/Troubleshooting#.E2.80.9CServerEnvironment::loadMeta.28.29:_EnvArgsEnd_not_found.E2.80.9D |
| 01:59 |
Genshin |
Good thing that's added on the wiki |
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Bobby_D |
yeah Genshin and I tracked that down; Which I would have seen that page first though aha |
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Bobby_D |
Genshin: also Thank you bro |
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Bobby_D |
behalebabo: thank you too bro |
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behalebabo |
glad to help |
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Genshin |
You're welcome Bobby_D |
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Genshin |
How long have I been away from minetest, jeez |
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Genshin |
I gotta catch up |
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MinetestBot |
octacian: Jul-29 07:11 UTC <TheZorcerer> ok ty that /ignore for MT will be useful |
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jas2 |
hi |
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MarisaG |
Hi everyone :) |
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jas_ |
haha minetest android players can walk through 1node open holes on mt-0.4.16-dev server |
| 07:04 |
jas_ |
hi |
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MarisaG |
nice to meet you jas_ |
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MarisaG |
wb Pie-jacker875 |
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Pie-jacker875 |
sorry if I rejoin often |
| 07:16 |
MarisaG |
oh ok |
| 07:16 |
Pie-jacker875 |
I haven't figured out why this client does that |
| 07:17 |
Pie-jacker875 |
I pretty much just leave this client to lurk here |
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Pie-jacker875 |
since I'm also on like 8 other channels across a couple of networks |
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MarisaG |
this is my first time here |
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MarisaG |
me too |
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habeangur |
!help |
| 07:19 |
MinetestBot |
https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md |
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habeangur |
!hi |
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habeangur |
!server |
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MinetestBot |
habeangur: imedias Minetest-Server | agora.imedias.ch | Clients: 0/15, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.15 / minetest | Ping: 24ms |
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habeangur |
!server |
| 07:19 |
MinetestBot |
habeangur: DezyrCraft | minetesthosting.com:30943 | Clients: 1/4, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14 / minetest | Ping: 113ms |
| 07:22 |
MarisaG |
!server |
| 07:22 |
MinetestBot |
MarisaG: Xanadu | 98.166.84.194 | Clients: 3/40, 4/9 | Version: 0.4.16-dev / minetest | Ping: 98ms |
| 07:23 |
MarisaG |
i set up a slack team for minetest, you can join it here: http://minecity.online:3000 |
| 07:24 |
Pie-jacker875 |
why slack? |
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MarisaG |
Its like irc, only you can see the last 10000 lines, transfer files without dcc problems etc |
| 07:27 |
MarisaG |
It’s nice. I like it a lot :) |
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Pie-jacker875 |
sounds unecessarily complicated |
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MarisaG |
hehe |
| 07:31 |
MarisaG |
you might like it. Its like a version of AIM in the old days |
| 07:31 |
MarisaG |
If you can use IRC you can surely use slack |
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Pie-jacker875 |
https://slack.com/legal "customer" |
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Pie-jacker875 |
I'll pass |
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MarisaG |
np :) |
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jcgruenhage |
With the difference that slack is a closed, proprietary product, and irc an open protocol. |
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jcgruenhage |
If you want something more like slack, but open and federated, maybe try matrix ^^ |
| 07:39 |
MarisaG |
Anyone here familiar with running a no-gui server on linux? |
| 07:39 |
MarisaG |
Im having trouble with my server |
| 07:39 |
jcgruenhage |
Minetest specific or general? |
| 07:40 |
MarisaG |
With adding mods to my server |
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MarisaG |
the mobs_repo and related mods |
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MarisaG |
I asked in the forum, but noone familiar with the linux version has replied yet |
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Pie-jacker875 |
I'll mess with it for a bit |
| 07:58 |
MarisaG |
I have a stupid question - how do I set a user as my server owner? |
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Pie-jacker875 |
not really sure what you mean |
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Raven262 |
MarisaG, in minetest.conf, just place the desired username in the place of the "name" |
| 08:21 |
Raven262 |
Also, that has to be done in the .conf file that you specified as your server's .conf file |
| 08:21 |
Raven262 |
Otherwise you can use default one |
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MarisaG |
There is a field “name� |
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Raven262 |
yep |
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Raven262 |
name = something |
| 08:22 |
Raven262 |
And that user will get unrevokable privs |
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MarisaG |
is it case sensitive? |
| 08:23 |
Raven262 |
Just to warn you, if you are using the default config file, the name field will be overwritten the next time you log in to a server. |
| 08:23 |
Raven262 |
Yes it is. |
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MarisaG |
Im running the client on a mac, and my server is on a linux server |
| 08:25 |
Raven262 |
Oh, well then you are using the default config on linux? |
| 08:25 |
Raven262 |
Okay, it won't change then |
| 08:25 |
Raven262 |
As long as you don't have a client at the same path in that linux system. |
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MarisaG |
I custimzed my config file |
| 08:25 |
MarisaG |
No, no client |
| 08:26 |
Raven262 |
Okay |
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MarisaG |
thanks! |
| 08:26 |
Raven262 |
Tell me if you need any more help, i think i know a few stuff about server config :) |
| 08:27 |
MarisaG |
😄 Im having trouble with mods, can you help with that? |
| 08:27 |
Raven262 |
Which mods in particular? |
| 08:28 |
MarisaG |
Im trying to add the mobs_redo and related mods |
| 08:28 |
Raven262 |
And the error is? |
| 08:28 |
MarisaG |
I dont get any error loading the main mobs_redo mod, but the actual mob mods I get a “missing dependancy†error |
| 08:29 |
Raven262 |
Well, you are missing a dependency |
| 08:29 |
MarisaG |
I have no gui on my server, so I have to edit the world.mt file by hand |
| 08:29 |
Raven262 |
Another mod has to be added |
| 08:29 |
Raven262 |
which dependency is missing? |
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MarisaG |
Yes, but I do have the mod. The mobs_redo mod is supposed to provide the “mobs†mod. |
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Raven262 |
mobs_redo is named "mobs" in the world.mt, right? |
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MarisaG |
I have it listed first in the file, and I dont get any errors, but the related mob mods say that error |
| 08:30 |
MarisaG |
I have tried it both ways, as “mods_redo†and just “mobs†|
| 08:31 |
Raven262 |
hmmm |
| 08:31 |
MarisaG |
Same results either way |
| 08:31 |
Raven262 |
i'll check how it works here :/ |
| 08:32 |
MarisaG |
ok great |
| 08:32 |
MarisaG |
I could give you access to my server if you like |
| 08:32 |
Raven262 |
Yea, it is only mobs. |
| 08:32 |
Raven262 |
I don't think i'll need it. |
| 08:32 |
MarisaG |
ok |
| 08:32 |
Raven262 |
load_mod_mobs = true |
| 08:32 |
Raven262 |
try it that way and give me the error output |
| 08:33 |
MarisaG |
ok hold on |
| 08:35 |
MarisaG |
The first line is: |
| 08:36 |
MarisaG |
2017-08-08 08:35:22: ERROR[Main]: The following mods could not be found: "mobs_goblins" "mobs_horse" "mobs_sky" "mobs_water" |
| 08:36 |
MarisaG |
And then there are these other messages for the remaining mods: |
| 08:36 |
MarisaG |
2017-08-08 08:35:22: ERROR[Main]: mod "bugslive" has unsatisfied dependencies: "mobs" |
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Raven262 |
Those are optional dependencies, the first ones |
| 08:37 |
Raven262 |
So mobs_redo has been loaded? |
| 08:37 |
Raven262 |
bugslive... i don't remember which mobs mod it requires |
| 08:37 |
MarisaG |
I checks and I have the load_mod_mobs entry enabled and the mods/mobs directory named that way |
| 08:37 |
MarisaG |
I have mobs_redo renamed to just “mobs†|
| 08:37 |
MarisaG |
bugslive is for mobs_redo |
| 08:38 |
MarisaG |
I only installled the ones from the forum thread |
| 08:38 |
Raven262 |
mobs_redo should be named mobs_redo |
| 08:38 |
MarisaG |
so they are all supposed to work |
| 08:38 |
Raven262 |
did you rename mobs_redo to mobs? |
| 08:38 |
MarisaG |
I tried it both ways and get the same results. Let me try renaming the folder back |
| 08:38 |
MarisaG |
yes |
| 08:39 |
Raven262 |
It should be mobs_redo, but in the world.mt it is enabled under the name "mobs" |
| 08:40 |
MarisaG |
Ok, just tried it and same results |
| 08:40 |
Raven262 |
Very odd |
| 08:40 |
Raven262 |
Especially the first part of the error |
| 08:41 |
Raven262 |
it is looking for optional dependencies |
| 08:41 |
Raven262 |
it should not give an error |
| 08:41 |
MarisaG |
Yes, very mystifying |
| 08:42 |
Raven262 |
Anyway, if there is a solution to this, tenplus1 knows it. |
| 08:42 |
Raven262 |
Just that he isn't here at the moment. |
| 08:42 |
MarisaG |
oh |
| 08:42 |
Raven262 |
I mean it is his mod after all. |
| 08:42 |
MarisaG |
think he will be back soon, or is it night where he is? |
| 08:42 |
MarisaG |
Oh good idea! |
| 08:42 |
Raven262 |
Nope, it is day, though he usually joins in a few hours from now. |
| 08:43 |
Raven262 |
Not sure he is here every day though |
| 08:43 |
MarisaG |
i can wait i suppose :) |
| 08:43 |
MarisaG |
I asked in the forum but nobody had any ideas either |
| 08:43 |
Raven262 |
Forum is a bit of a deserted place sometimes. |
| 08:43 |
* Raven262 |
released a mod few weeks ago and got 2 replies :P |
| 08:44 |
MarisaG |
what was the mod? |
| 08:44 |
Raven262 |
Amber mod |
| 08:45 |
Raven262 |
But it is still work in progress. |
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MarisaG |
oh ok |
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Raven262 |
Just that i'm a bit lazy to work on it. |
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MarisaG |
:) |
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MarisaG |
Raven262: I PMed him in the forum. It says he was logged in just a couple hours ago… |
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Raven262 |
Who knows |
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Raven262 |
He should be here soon though, at least sometimes he comes here at this time. |
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MarisaG |
ok |
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salahzar |
Just a question. Does minetest have auto-backup feature in the basic engine or it is provided via mod or via linux shell script? In minecraft I used sbackup mod which was quite useful. is there something similar in minetest? |
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sfan5 |
i don't think there is any mod like that |
| 10:52 |
sfan5 |
doing it with a shell script should be quite simple though |
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salahzar |
in that case you need to stop the server, right? |
| 10:53 |
sfan5 |
it's not required but a good idea nonetheless to flush all data to disk |
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salahzar |
also I was fascinated by the /rollback command, can it be used to rollback in the past more than a few minutes? |
| 10:53 |
Dumbeldor |
Use shell script and cron ;) |
| 10:54 |
sfan5 |
if you have enabled rollback recording /rollback can be used as far back as you want |
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salahzar |
thanks for the reply :) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] Zeno- -> minetest/minetest: Update credits (#6228) b9ab51d https://git.io/v7iiS (2017-08-08T14:11:41Z) |
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jas_ |
Thank you for Minetest! |
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ph3-der-loewe |
:) |
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GreenDimond |
I got a PM from a guy named "Zachtest" on the forum and his PM makes absolutely no sense |
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GreenDimond |
Ey.. VanessaE? |
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GreenDimond |
It appears everyone got one |
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GreenDimond |
I am so confused |
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GreenDimond |
minetest.org says strange stuff and so does the PM >_< |
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Fixer |
GreenDimond: nevermind |
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GreenDimond |
? |
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Fixer |
GreenDimond: just ignore it |
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GreenDimond |
Is it fake? |
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GreenDimond |
well ok |
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ThomasMonroe_ |
yep ignore it GreenDiamond |
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ThomasMonroe_ |
ik what it is about |
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Tirifto |
I guess “Julia†should not be translated? |
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sfan5 |
nah |
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sfan5 |
it's probably referencing the fractal by that name |
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Tirifto |
Yeah, under “mapgen fractal†in settings. |
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VanessaE Are you around for a question about the plasma_lamp? |
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VanessaE |
(I wasn't when he asked, answer sent to /msg) |
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Brackston |
Thank VanessaE your the greatest! |
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VanessaE |
you're welcome. |
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jas_ |
!server dcbl |
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MinetestBot |
jas_: dcbl | dcbl.duckdns.org | Clients: 2/15, 2/3 | Version: 0.4.16-dev / dcbl | Ping: 127ms |
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bhelit |
how do i run a function for a node 'on_use' https://ptpb.pw/VTYb/lua |
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calcul0n |
bhelit, in that case on_use = hearth without the parenthesis |
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calcul0n |
or on_use = function (itemstack, player, pointed) blah() end |
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bhelit |
calcul0n, if you can, could you explain parenthesis use(why none) or point me in the right direction |
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bhelit |
the lua ref_man is slim, so im trying to learn by code-reuse. but talk about pitfalls |
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calcul0n |
bhelit, on_use expects a function object that will be called when the node ise "used" |
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calcul0n |
hearth() will just call the function and return its return value, which is nil here |
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bhelit |
hearth() -> set on_use to return object. hearth -> run hearth ?? |
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calcul0n |
yes |
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bhelit |
register_tool dev page says its incomplete. where can i find all table keys? i reworked to code, but it doesnt recognize on_use https://pastebin.com/raw/DuYDqmuY |
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rubenwardy |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L4039 |
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rubenwardy |
or https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/lua_api.html#item-definition-register_node-register_craftitem-register_tool |
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bhelit |
rubenwardy, ty |
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rubenwardy |
note that the lua_api is the official docs, as it is updated by devs when stuff is added |
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rubenwardy |
dev.minetest.net is more of a community effort |
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bhelit |
ah that makes sense |
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bhelit |
its a good interface tho imo |
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calcul0n |
i don't think a wiki is a good idea for software docs |
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calcul0n |
it has no structure and is often incomplete |
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rubenwardy |
well, you either want a reference or a tutorial like guide for each thing |
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rubenwardy |
reference -> lua_api.txt (although it's not perfect) |
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rubenwardy |
tutorial/guide -> modding book |
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rubenwardy |
the dev wiki is just because the lua api.txt is so unreadable |
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calcul0n |
true :) |
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rubenwardy |
updated https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/lua_api.html |
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rubenwardy |
turned out I hadn't run the script in 3 months :O |
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rubenwardy |
(I cache excessively so it may take a while) |
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bhelit |
api ( can i use my own fn? ) on_use = func(itemstack, user, pointed_thing), for on_use = hearth, |
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bhelit |
sane? or ditch_for_unoperable? https://pastebin.com/raw/UjKdUqE9 |
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calcul0n |
bhelit, this looks good as you don't seem to care about the func params |
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calcul0n |
hu wait, local player = minetest.get_player_by_name(name) <- this won't work, name is not defined |
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calcul0n |
so you need on_use = function(itemstack, user, pointed) hearth(user) end |
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calcul0n |
and add the user param to hearth |
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Fixer |
sooo moooove |
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Fixer |
everyone with OOMs should try GC64 luajit |
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sfan5 |
gc64 still crashes frequently on linux last time i checked |
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bhelit |
calcul0n, ahh, ive spend hours figuring out how to get player name in my fns ":| |
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Fixer |
sfan5: better on windows it seems |
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Fixer |
usable |
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Fixer |
on linux VanessaE reports much less OOMs on dreambuilder even on simple luajit for some reason |
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Fixer |
dreambuilder is not playable on simple LJ for me on Win |
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Sokomine |
hmpf. chairs and tables ought to be added to mtg |
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* AlexYst |
starts coding data-storing tables to put in Minetest |
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AlexYst |
+-----------+---------+------+ |
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AlexYst |
|Player Name|Nodes Dug|Deaths| |
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AlexYst |
+-----------+---------+------+ |
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AlexYst |
|AlexYst | 5| 11| |
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AlexYst |
+-----------+---------+------+ |
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AlexYst |
|Sokomine | 5932| 2| |
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AlexYst |
+-----------+---------+------+ |
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Sokomine |
nice, alexyst. but don't such mods exist yet? i remember having seen at least one statistic mod on the forum |
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AlexYst |
Sokomine: Oh, yeah. I should've thought of that too, as I'm the one that coded both of those mods. |
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joenas[m] |
`if minetest.get_modpath("some_mod") ~=nil`, is this idiomatic Lua? |
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* AlexYst |
wishes they could change their forum name to match their IRC name |
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AlexYst |
Thanks to that legal name change, my name's actually *presentable* these days. |
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rubenwardy |
!mod stats |
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MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: Stats [stats] by PilzAdam - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=8127 |
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rubenwardy |
but no table |
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AlexYst |
joenas[m]: You don't need the ` ~=nil` part. |
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joenas[m] |
Well that's what I figured but it's present in few mods I've seen |
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AlexYst |
My mining stats mod sort of makes a table. My kill count mod does make one. |
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joenas[m] |
Also what's with the hard tabs/4 spaces? :) |
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joenas[m] |
In a* few |
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calcul0n |
ho no, not the tab vs space troll :) |
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AlexYst |
joenas[m]: Hard tabs are good for semantic indentation and readability. I'm not sure what's up with the spaces. |
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joenas[m] |
Not on github they're not? I'd say it's close to unreadable but I guess opinions differ there :) |
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AlexYst |
Well, to each their own. |
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joenas[m] |
Well I'm just curious, not trolling if that's what you think calculOn. In my programming community soft tabs with 2 spaces is the norm, hence I'm wondering whether hard tabs are a Lua or a Minetest thing |
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rubenwardy |
it's project by project |
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rubenwardy |
Minetest uses tabs |
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rubenwardy |
because they're obviously better 8) |
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Calinou |
joenas[m]: https://ukupat.github.io/tabs-or-spaces/ |
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Calinou |
Ctrl+F "lua" |
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Sokomine |
AlexYst: oh :-) then it's good. hope to see that mod on servers |
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ThomasMonroe_ |
hi AlexYst |
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Calinou |
unfortunately, nobody agrees on standard identation for Lua, hard tabs win by a very slight margin |
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Calinou |
heck, 12% of repositories use 3 spaces (!) |
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calcul0n |
well, i was just kidding, but that's the kind of subject where you won't find two people who can agree |
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Sokomine |
in mt mods the convention seems to be to use tabs |
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joenas[m] |
Heh interesting |
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joenas[m] |
So it's a Lua thing then |
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joenas[m] |
3 spaces... that's just not right tho... |
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Calinou |
odd numbers are superior to powers of two, didn't you hear? |
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Sokomine |
for me it is a lua/mt thing, yes. i don't use tabs in general. it kind of felt as if tabs where used here more generally than not |
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joenas[m] |
Nah i missed that memo apparently |
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joenas[m] |
I'll go convert all my stuff at work to 3 spaces. Seems the only reasonable thing to do |
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joenas[m] |
But I wanna read mod code on GH on my cell.. /cry |
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joenas[m] |
The tabs are killing me |
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joenas[m] |
Anywho |
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AlexYst |
Hey ThomasMonroe_! |
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AlexYst |
I don't think agreeing on a standard in a given language really helps. There's no reason to use something different between languages. |
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AlexYst |
Also, the de facto standard for Python is four spaces or something, but I still use tabs in Python because they're cleaner. |
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AlexYst |
The fact is, programmers will use what they prefer unless they have no real opinion. In that case, per-language agreement wins over. |
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joenas[m] |
Hm maybe you're right. I believe having a standard in a workplace is kinda necessarily tho. |
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joenas[m] |
Interestingly ruby, which is my primary language, seems to be one of the few where it's 100% consensus :) |
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joenas[m] |
Necessary* stupid phone |
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joenas[m] |
I guess I could set sublime to display the tabs as 2 spaces... |
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rubenwardy |
tabs in python makes sense to me, given that it's white space dependent |
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rubenwardy |
also, basically everyone uses tabs as 2 or 4 spaces |
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rubenwardy |
[citation needed] |
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sfan5 |
why would you use spaces of tabs? (except for alignment ofc) |
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rubenwardy |
sfan5, I don't understand what you mean by "spaces of tabs" |
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sfan5 |
+instead |
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rubenwardy |
ah, ok |
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AlexYst |
sfan5: I'm confused by it myself, but a lot of people do it and insist others do it. |
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