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When I play servers, player skins have "seams" between the faces.. there is a gap. and there are outlines where faces are blank. I am using a dev build 5045bdc (the one before the playermodel Y-axis update). This hasnt happened until lately. I cant find anything that causes it. |
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GreenDimond |
I have tried turning off shaders, nothing. Turning off other stuff, nothing. |
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GreenDimond |
Even though I confirmed it doesnt happen in 0.4.16-stable, it hasnt happened before on this. |
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GreenDimond |
Which means there has to be something that is causing it in the settings. |
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BBmine |
Have you been using the same dev build the whole time? |
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GreenDimond |
Yes |
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swift110 |
hey GreenDimond |
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ThomasMonroe |
hey swift110 |
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swift110 |
how are you ThomasMonroe |
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ThomasMonroe |
im good, and yourself? |
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swift110 |
im great |
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ThomasMonroe |
good |
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swift110 |
what ya up to ThomasMonroe |
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ThomasMonroe |
not much, writing a research paper on the history of the Chaos Theory |
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swift110 |
thats cool ThomasMonroe |
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swift110 |
im reading up on minetest so I can understand it better |
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ThomasMonroe |
swift110, nice |
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swift110 |
I wish it wasn't so complicated to install the tutorial |
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ThomasMonroe |
tutorial? |
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ThomasMonroe |
i didnt even know there was one XD |
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swift110 |
yoh goodness my point exactly |
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ThomasMonroe |
i kinda just learned from other people |
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swift110 |
ok |
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swift110 |
I just feel that the tutorial should be part of the default download |
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swift110 |
I really just shouldn't need instructions for a tutorial. |
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swift110 |
lol |
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ThomasMonroe |
lol |
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lumberJ |
swift110 did you get it running? |
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swift110 |
no lumberJ ill have to be back i must go for now |
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lumberJ |
ok, later |
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swift110 |
hey all |
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lumberJ |
wb sefit110, let me know if you want help installing that tutorial subgame |
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lumberJ |
swift110* |
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swift110 |
lumberJ, thanks |
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swift110 |
It quite late here so likely another time thanks again |
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lumberJ |
np |
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Muyfret |
hello. anyone into CSM? |
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nullawk |
CSM? |
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Muyfret |
client side modding |
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Muyfret |
i have a script. wondering if anyone could suggest speed improvements |
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Muyfret |
a csm can't ask make a server store custom meta data for a block can it |
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Muyfret |
what lua does minetest use |
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Muyfret |
lua version |
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Muyfret |
wow |
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Muyfret |
i did all that work only to find out bitwise exclusive or isn't supported |
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Muyfret |
but bits32.bxor worked |
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Muyfret |
just not 'a ~ b' |
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Muyfret |
nope. |
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Muyfret |
my feelings are now hurt. |
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MinetestBot |
[git] lhofhansl -> minetest/minetest: Do not grant all privs to the admin - changes game behavior (#6460) d386586 https://git.io/vdu5Y (2017-10-07T13:12:09Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] basicer -> minetest/minetest: Add setting for near plane distance. (#6395) 3c93a56 https://git.io/vdu5O (2017-10-07T13:11:48Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest: Unkown nodes: Provide position on interact (#6505) f547452 https://git.io/vdu53 (2017-10-07T13:11:07Z) |
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[git] adrido -> minetest/minetest: Replace deprecated WINAPI GetVersionInfoEx (#6496) c830347 https://git.io/vdu54 (2017-10-07T13:13:13Z) |
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kavacha |
Does anyone know a minetest mod that allows us to script conversation with NPC? Something like Denizen in Minecraft |
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sfan5 |
there's some mods that provide NPC but nothing that advanced i'm afraid |
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kavacha |
Oh ok.. I was hoping there's already a mod for that. Thank you :) |
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Krock |
there are programmable robots, like this one https://github.com/HybridDog/simple_robots |
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Krock |
or this https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=11098 |
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deltasquared |
for scripted discussions, I would imagine the core of it would be relatively straightforward, basically a decision tree of sorts. then there would be a) reading them from config, b) displaying them/presenting choices, and c) binding them to actions |
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kavacha |
Thanks Krock, I'll check it out |
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Krock |
kavacha, a quick search also gave me this one: (Lua programming) https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=15850 |
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kavacha |
That basic_robot mod looks interesting, I spot the function to display the robot chat (self.label) |
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kavacha |
So I have to write the commands in Lua? |
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Krock |
I think so. never tested that mod |
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kavacha |
I never code Lua before haha.. |
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fireglow |
Elon_Satoshi: what a great name |
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deltasquared |
sounds like someone who would make a bitcoin empire in space |
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fireglow |
mining vast underground deposits of crypto on the moon |
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* deltasquared |
imagines conspiracy about a huge crypto cracking computer built beneath the moon's surface |
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fireglow |
VanessaE: do you plan to support dyes for xpanes? I need to get rid of xpanes_color :> |
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VanessaE |
I've no current plans for that. |
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fireglow |
dang |
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VanessaE |
does xpanes_color use the Unified Dyes API? |
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fireglow |
no, it's really outdated, with _4 and _5 as node name suffix |
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VanessaE |
then you'll have to adapt it accordingly. :) that's what one would need anyway - nothing in UD alters the default stuff, aside from expanding on the dyes themselves, so to make a mt_game mod use UD, you need to write an external mod to expand that mt_game mod. |
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fireglow |
!mod xpanes_color |
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MinetestBot |
fireglow: Could not find anything. |
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fireglow |
I really want to get rid of it and use as much default as possible |
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VanessaE |
can't be done :) |
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fireglow |
dye support for xpanes? |
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VanessaE |
if a mt_game mod doesn't support colors, you have to alter that mod, or write a mod that extends it |
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fireglow |
yes |
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fireglow |
I got a very diligent user on my server who documents all sorts of crafting issues, very handy |
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fireglow |
SO many issues with the cottages mod |
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deltasquared |
fireglow: do they open issues? |
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fireglow |
yes, there are open issues on the cottages mod |
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deltasquared |
should give them a cookie for their contribs to open source ;) |
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fireglow |
and no, he leaves all the gritty details to me ;) |
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deltasquared |
... oh. right. :P |
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fireglow |
the issues are already known for the cottages mod |
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fireglow |
although I'm opening the odd yet-unreported issue on some mods |
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fireglow |
maybe I'll even get a pullreq going ;) |
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fireglow |
!mod wine |
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MinetestBot |
fireglow: Wine [wine] by TenPlus1 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=13642 |
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Krock |
it's not an emulator |
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deltasquared |
+1 Krock |
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Krock |
Congratulations, Krock. You got your first upvote. |
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deltasquared |
well it'd be an increment but I don't think there's a karma bot on here |
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rubenwardy |
~karma Krock |
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ShadowBot |
rubenwardy: Krock has neutral karma. |
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rubenwardy |
Krock++ |
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rubenwardy |
~karma Krock |
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ShadowBot |
rubenwardy: Karma for "Krock" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. |
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fireglow |
noice |
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fireglow |
sfan5++ |
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Krock |
that.. was really necessary? |
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deltasquared |
Krock++ |
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sfan5 |
of course ShadowBot has a plugin this useless |
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Krock |
C++ |
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deltasquared |
*shrug* |
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Krock |
~karma C |
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ShadowBot |
Krock: Karma for "C" has been increased 7 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 6. |
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deltasquared |
sfan5: so does phrik on #archlinuk... roll with it I guess |
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fireglow |
!mod xdecor |
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MinetestBot |
fireglow: X-Decor [xdecor] by jp - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=12534 |
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fireglow |
enchanting a diamond armor with xdecor lowers its value |
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Krock |
there's enchanting in xdecor? o.o |
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fireglow |
yep |
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Krock |
ah I see. It's from a separate mod, bundled into xdecor |
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Krock |
or the other way.. only had the separate mod in my mind |
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fireglow |
right |
| 15:16 |
Krock |
fireglow, well, that stuff is now on GitHub/minetest-mods, so PRs will likely be accepted |
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Krock |
with custom tool capabilities, it'll no longer be required to register this mass of additional tools like it's done there |
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fireglow |
ah, it's already reported: https://github.com/minetest-mods/xdecor/issues/81 |
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Fixer |
30 AUG |
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fireglow |
nice situation there in that issue |
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jas_ |
http://minetest.wiki.fc2.com/wiki/Mod%E5%90%8D%E9%91%91%20-%20Mob |
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jas_ |
!mod Mob Talker |
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MinetestBot |
jas_: Mob Talker for Minetest [mobtalker] by Rui - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=12073 |
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Muyfret |
is it possible to get a book from a block, and the book's text? |
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Muyfret |
CSM-only |
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rubenwardy |
if CSM has access to meta, then yes |
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Hijiri |
do items have private meta, or is that only for nodes? |
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Krock |
everything that has meta |
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Hijiri |
looking at docs I think just nodes |
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Hijiri |
It's listed under NodeMetaRef methods though |
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Hijiri |
or maybe being in non-nodes is newer than 0.4.16, since thsoe are the docs I'm looking at |
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MinetestBot |
[git] lhofhansl -> minetest/minetest_game: Creative: Do not give creative priv to admin 12a9716 https://git.io/vdzvw (2017-10-07T16:48:18Z) |
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Krock |
Hijiri, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L3344 |
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Krock |
oh I see |
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Krock |
four hashtags. Then it's only for nodes |
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Krock |
having it for all meta would be more helpful |
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ThomasMonroe |
nore, are you on? |
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Gael-de-Sailly |
Hi there |
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Fixer |
hii |
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Gael-de-Sailly |
I don't understand what consumes so much RAM in Ubuntu 16.04 |
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fireglow |
oh, I know, I know: Ubuntu 16.04 |
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Gael-de-Sailly |
My computer has 1.8 Go RAM, it was enough for my use with Ubuntu 14 but with 16 it's just exploded |
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Gael-de-Sailly |
With MT aunched : full RAM, swap ~60% |
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fireglow |
dang :s |
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Gael-de-Sailly |
*launched |
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fireglow |
install htop and sort by RES MEM |
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Gael-de-Sailly |
does it show the same list than system monitor? |
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Calinou |
Gael-de-Sailly: use a lighter desktop environment, switch to Xfce or LXDE |
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Calinou |
GNOME/Unity/KDE aren't designed to be light on the RAM |
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Calinou |
it doesn't matter with modern hardware, but it does if you have < 6 GB of RAM |
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fireglow |
oh yeah, probably |
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Fixer |
Gael-de-Sailly: it is problem with your b r o w s e r (probably*) |
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Gael-de-Sailly |
with the list given by monitor system, the sum of ram used by each program is 1Go below the real used ram |
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Gael-de-Sailly |
No Firefox is using around 300 Mo now |
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Gael-de-Sailly |
that's a lot, but is not enough to explain this |
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Calinou |
by the way, in English we say MB/GB, not Mo/Go :) |
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Gael-de-Sailly |
I know that Unity is not made to be light, but the difference is so huge between 14 and 16 |
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Gael-de-Sailly |
Calinou : thank you, I forgot this :) |
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Gael-de-Sailly |
i've never used another environment than Unity |
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o11c |
(because screw non-8-bit bytes) |
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o11c |
Calinou: most systems have <= 4 GB of RAM, and often video RAM cuts into that |
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o11c |
Gael-de-Sailly: FWIW I use xubuntu on light systems, and KDE on other systems ... firefox or chromium is more costly than the DE, so avoid those entirely on light systems |
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o11c |
Gael-de-Sailly: in general, there are 3 things that use RAM: processes, tmpfs, and kernel (which is in turn composed of disk cache, I/O buffers, graphics memory, ...) |
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Gael-de-Sailly |
so the only way to optimize it is to switch to another environment |
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o11c |
Gael-de-Sailly: if processes are swapping, or even if disk cache is getting eaten because of too many processes/tmpfs, your performance will suck |
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o11c |
not necessarily |
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o11c |
first run `df` and make sure you aren't having big tmpfs |
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o11c |
then run `top`, press `f`, select REST and press `s` then `q` |
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o11c |
(though I admit htop is nicer, top will do just fine) |
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Gael-de-Sailly |
tmpfs : used 6120 K |
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o11c |
`free -tm` gives a nice summary ... it's a pity `-tg` doesn't do fractions |
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Calinou |
<o11c> Calinou: most systems have <= 4 GB of RAM, and often video RAM cuts into that |
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Calinou |
that's not true, if you have a dedicated GPU, it has its own memory :P |
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Calinou |
also, most modern machines have at least 8 GB of RAM, sometimes 6 GB |
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Calinou |
I wouldn't use a computer with only 4 GB of RAM in 2017 |
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o11c |
even dedicated GPUs often use system RAM |
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Gael-de-Sailly |
most but not all, I can say it |
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o11c |
it turns out it's faster than copying everything |
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Calinou |
and avoiding Firefox/Chromium is not really doable |
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Calinou |
(thanks to all the lightweight browsers falling behind in supporting modern websites) |
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* twoelk |
tries to hide his 2GB RAM machines |
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Calinou |
the computer I use with the lowest amount of RAM is my phone, it has 4 GB :P |
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o11c |
I think I still have a 256MB somewhere |
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o11c |
maybe 512 though |
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* fireglow |
installs systemd on twoelks machine |
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o11c |
fireglow: ??? |
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fireglow |
hello |
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o11c |
systemd doesn't eat RAM at all |
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twoelk |
hm, if iplug my laptop into my desktop i might have 4GB :-D |
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fireglow |
:> |
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fireglow |
o11c: yeah it does |
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Gael-de-Sailly |
the laptop on which I'm now has 1.8 GB ram and is only 2 years old |
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Fixer |
Calinou: i've used 768MB machine in 2017 |
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Fixer |
*a little |
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o11c |
even journald, the most expensive part of systemd, is only 20MB |
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o11c |
fireglow: so citation needed |
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fireglow |
https://twitter.com/KawausoDashi/status/914402349254369280 |
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o11c |
so ... someone configured journald to keep everything in RAM, and wondered why it used more RAM? Not interesting. |
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o11c |
my /var/log/journal/ is 1.1GB |
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o11c |
but that's several boots |
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fireglow |
thanks for the info |
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fireglow |
I shall make a note of it! ^_^ |
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nullawk |
Gael-de-Sailly: enable low graphics mode using Compiz Configuration Manager, or I second Calinous recommendation to use XFCE, which is my favorite DE for the last decade now. Even will a bunch of plugins running <100MB |
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swift110 |
hey nullawk |
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nullawk |
XD howdy swift110 |
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nullawk |
Gael-de-Sailly: Especially on a system with <2g |
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Gael-de-Sailly |
thank you but is it easy to switch to another desktop environment? |
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Calinou |
Xfce is nice, but it doesn't support modern use cases well (like hiDPI), and it's barely maintained (the last significant release was in 2015) |
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Calinou |
Gael-de-Sailly: try installing the "xubuntu-desktop" package |
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Calinou |
check the packages it wants to install/remove, before accepting! |
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Calinou |
you don't want it to remove your libc or something :) |
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Gael-de-Sailly |
and... that's all? |
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Calinou |
https://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/migration_vers_xubuntu |
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Calinou |
there's some French docs here ^ |
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Calinou |
the best way is to reinstall the OS entirely, installing Xubuntu instead of Ubuntu |
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Calinou |
granted, it takes a lot of time, but migrating manually will give a less-than-perfect result |
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Calinou |
Gael-de-Sailly: xubuntu-desktop is a metapackage which installs all the Xubuntu-related packages, so it should work |
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Calinou |
base Xfce, Xfce goodies, Xubuntu theming, etc |
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Gael-de-Sailly |
I already got some problems when i migrated from 14 to 16 on august 1st |
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Gael-de-Sailly |
I'd like to avoid reinstalling the OS if possible |
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nullawk |
http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/xfce sums it up nicely |
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Gael-de-Sailly |
thank you |
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Gael-de-Sailly |
it works the same way for other environments? |
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nullawk |
mostly. |
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nullawk |
Though I would avoid haphazardly adding DEs as they often install a bunch of programs along with them (Stupid KDE). |
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Gael-de-Sailly |
obviously |
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Gael-de-Sailly |
that's heavy programs |
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nullawk |
Gael-de-Sailly: Wasn't to me when I first started DE hopping |
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Elvis1504 |
Hi |
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Out`Of`Control |
hi |
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Elvis1504 |
Are you evil? |
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Elvis1504 |
Hah |
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Out`Of`Control |
Elvis1504: yes |
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swift110 |
how are you nullawk |
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nullawk |
Good good, on a little vacation at the family ranch, just spent the morning/afternoon painting the porch with lead encapsulate for the kiddos about to have lunch. How about yourself swift110 |
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swift110 |
thats nice |
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swift110 |
nullawk, just about to get a new hdd |
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Elvis1504 |
Well |
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Elvis1504 |
Out of control |
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fireglow |
well well well |
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Elvis1504 |
Hah |
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Out`Of`Control |
? |
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Elvis1504 |
I need help in mr, where I can find some good blue flowers? Hahaha |
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