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Open_Future |
hi all, any ideas why welcome message to the server isnt changing even though I changed it in minetest.conf |
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Sketch2 |
Is it using a certain subgame, and you have a minetest.conf in there with a different welcome message? |
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Open_Future |
forget it, I figured it out.... |
| 00:19 |
Open_Future |
thanks anyway |
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dante123 |
hi all, if I change zombies=true in the world.mt will they suddenly appear or do they have to be enabled somewhere else? |
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raymoo[m] |
dante123: zombies don't come with Minetest, they are added by some mods |
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raymoo[m] |
so it will depend on the mod |
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Open_Future |
ok thanks |
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jff_[m] |
Brew install minetest doesnt work |
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zking |
Hello |
| 06:32 |
zking |
##mineetst-ctf |
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zking |
##minetest-ctf |
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jff_[m] |
Seems the brew script not moving the directory |
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jff_[m] |
I got it working |
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hisforever |
Hi I have a Qurry that |
| 07:45 |
hisforever |
i'd like to fill with water. is there a way to fill the Qurry with out clicking a lot? |
| 07:55 |
Sketch2 |
hisforever, you could write a Lua script to do it, or use a mod such as WorldEdit |
| 07:56 |
Sketch2 |
With WorldEdit, you'd use the wand to select point 1 & 2, then change Air blocks to common:water |
| 07:59 |
* twoelk |
remembers seeing a new mod with a filler tool - somewhere |
| 08:00 |
twoelk |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=19524&hilit=filler |
| 08:00 |
twoelk |
might help |
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hisforever |
Thanks that helps |
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* twoelk |
suddenly has an urge to have a look at the old bar mod |
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Sketch2 |
lols, yea. I need to put it on GitHub. |
| 08:06 |
Sketch2 |
Never was a fan of the GitHub interface. Takes me ages to build up the courage to attempt it |
| 08:09 |
twoelk |
maybe ask sofar to add it to minetest-mods |
| 08:11 |
twoelk |
https://github.com/minetest-mods |
| 08:15 |
Sketch2 |
K, updated it to ver 1.9 through the web-interface. https://github.com/doyousketch2/nightclub |
| 08:16 |
Sketch2 |
Was easier than anticipated. Just had to send 'em dir-at-a-time |
| 08:18 |
Sketch2 |
I've got a few more improvements in mind for it. Wanted to make the glasses fillable |
| 08:20 |
Sketch2 |
guess I could put what I have of the 2.0 code so far |
| 08:20 |
Sketch2 |
Has a pullable bar-tap and a better absinthe glass |
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* twoelk |
hurries over to github |
| 08:21 |
twoelk |
yay |
| 08:22 |
Sketch2 |
Well, it's not up yet |
| 08:22 |
Sketch2 |
gimme another min or two for GitHub to process the upload |
| 08:28 |
Sketch2 |
wow, the GitHub interface sux. It totally ignores the .gitignore file |
| 08:28 |
Sketch2 |
What's the purpose of the .gitignore if it's gonna ignore it... amiright? |
| 08:34 |
Sketch2 |
K. Try now. Lemme know how it goes for you |
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* twoelk |
updates his nightclub |
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Sketch2 |
Next time I should just run BleachBit to delete any old temp~ files before uploading |
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twoelk |
hmm https://i.imgur.com/beb0xtM.jpg |
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Sketch2 |
That looks about right. I just uploaded 'em all and let GitHub sort 'em out |
| 08:57 |
Sketch2 |
But had to go back in and delete all the ~files. Think I got 'em all. |
| 08:57 |
twoelk |
I don't seem to have downloaded any ~files |
| 08:57 |
Sketch2 |
Not a biggie if they're there. They won't do anything, it's just previous code that's never read again |
| 08:58 |
Sketch2 |
k, cool |
| 09:03 |
twoelk |
you might like to ad support for other mods like this https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13642 (wine) or the wine bottles in home_dekor |
| 09:13 |
Sketch2 |
Add support? to do what, exactly? |
| 09:13 |
Sketch2 |
I'm not against the idea, just don't know what it means |
| 09:14 |
Sketch2 |
Add aliases for 'em? |
| 09:15 |
Sketch2 |
Oh, like 3D those textures if you have both installed |
| 09:21 |
Sketch2 |
BleachBit doesn't seem to delete ~files either. |
| 09:21 |
Sketch2 |
Hmm, I thought if you ticked Temporary Files, it would |
| 09:23 |
Sketch2 |
Could write a Lua or Python script to dir-walk and delete, but that feels like overkill |
| 09:23 |
Sketch2 |
wish GitHub just did what'cha wanted it to |
| 09:27 |
Sketch2 |
oh, found a solution on StackExchange- find . -type f \( -iname "*~" \) -delete |
| 09:39 |
Sketch2 |
Can-opener creaks when you wield & use it |
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danSNDBX |
hi |
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Sketch2 |
The bar mod'll get att'n later on, I'm actully tring to recreate an old C64 game, Paradroid, as a Minetest subgame |
| 10:34 |
Sketch2 |
Initial testing, like a map of 1:1 seemed tiny, so I blew the pixels up to 2x2 |
| 10:35 |
Sketch2 |
Which makes it spacially feel more correct, but complicates elevators |
| 10:36 |
Sketch2 |
Edited the elevator mod, so it would use 4 tiles, and while it's doable, was brainstorming with VanessaE, and pondered the idea of just dropping the eyeheight instead |
| 10:36 |
Sketch2 |
so you run around in mouse-mode, close to the floor |
| 10:37 |
Sketch2 |
that way everything seems bigger. But alas, scripting that's tough |
| 10:37 |
Sketch2 |
like it, uh, doesn't seem to realize there's a player in-game when it runs the init |
| 10:38 |
Sketch2 |
so it doesn't actually change the eye-height |
| 10:39 |
Sketch2 |
Here's the relevant code: https://pastebin.com/48dScRwY |
| 10:41 |
Sketch2 |
It seems to print 'Paradroit init' ok, so I assume that's where it's trying to look for the player, |
| 10:41 |
Sketch2 |
but it doesn't specify the player actually exists 'till much later, when everything's done loading... singleplayer [127.0.0.1] joins game. |
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Sketch2 |
So I need to put a delay in there, but I haven't seen anything that lets you do that through official Minetest methods |
| 10:44 |
Sketch2 |
Maybe there is, I'm just not seeing it |
| 10:44 |
Sketch2 |
could keep looping and test if it's a nil value, maybe maybe |
| 10:45 |
Sketch2 |
then run it once player is actually populated |
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sfan5 |
that wouldn't work because then the mod code would never finish |
| 10:46 |
sfan5 |
so minetest would never finish starting up |
| 10:46 |
sfan5 |
what you want is a combo on minetest.register_on_joinplayer and minetest.after |
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Sketch2 |
oh, say what? Like do you know of any mods that do this, so I can see an example? |
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Sketch2 |
Oh, ok. nevermind, it looks pretty straightforward |
| 10:55 |
Sketch2 |
yea, thought by 'combo' I had to work some coding voodo magic. I get it now |
| 10:57 |
Sketch2 |
I think the minetest.register_on_joinplayer() should do ok. It isn't something that needs to repeat after it's been set |
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sfan5 |
indeed, this also means you won't need to loop over all players |
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Sketch2 |
huh, player:get_eye_offset() only returns one set of coordinates. |
| 11:51 |
Sketch2 |
Is there a Lua function to toggle player view from 1st to 3rd perspective? |
| 11:52 |
Sketch2 |
Or somehow get both locations? |
| 11:53 |
Sketch2 |
well, I might not need it. hmm |
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Sketch2 |
K, 1st person seems ok as mouse-eye view. Who knows what 3rd perspective is doing. Might just leave it as-is for now |
| 12:21 |
Sketch2 |
Here's what I ended up with, if anyone's interested- https://pastebin.com/48dScRwY |
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Sketch2 |
Oh wait, my collisionbox is still 2 blocks high |
| 12:36 |
Sketch2 |
Is that dependent upon players' model? Like could I put in a new nodebox or render something up in Blender? |
| 12:50 |
twoelk |
what client are you using? some stuff about player size might be only in the 0.5dev |
| 12:54 |
Sketch2 |
this one's 0.4.16, I believe. I've got 0.5 in another dir, if need be |
| 12:55 |
Sketch2 |
just to make sure my 0.4 is up-to-date, what's the git branch trick? |
| 12:55 |
Sketch2 |
If I do this- git branch --set-upstream-to=origin/stable-0.4 |
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* twoelk |
hides |
| 12:56 |
Sketch2 |
then a git pull will it break stuff? |
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* twoelk |
hides even more |
| 12:56 |
Sketch2 |
I always hate playing around with git commands, ugh |
| 12:56 |
Sketch2 |
lols. I'll try it and pray |
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* twoelk |
is mighty happy he can update his clones |
| 12:59 |
Sketch2 |
meh. it's crying that it's not a git repo |
| 12:59 |
Sketch2 |
It came from https://github.com/minetest/minetest/releases |
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Sketch2 |
hmm, same thig when I do git remote set-url origin https://github.com/minetest/minetest.git |
| 13:00 |
Sketch2 |
I know it's something like that |
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twoelk |
maybe do a git init from within the folder? |
| 13:01 |
Sketch2 |
yea, I'd hate to see it start pulling 0.5 code tho |
| 13:02 |
Sketch2 |
Maybe can copy 0.5 .git dir into 0.4 dir, then modifiy git config file |
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sfan5 |
what are you even planning to do |
| 13:07 |
Sketch2 |
ok, well. Think I did the whole git thing correctly. It says stuff is up-to-date |
| 13:08 |
Sketch2 |
Uh, I got my playerview right down on the ground, so it runs around like a MicroMachine |
| 13:08 |
Sketch2 |
But the collisionbox is still 2 blocks high, when I need it mouse-size instead. |
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Sketch2 |
so it bumps into the transom above doorways, and it won't do for actual combat, 'cuz enemies'll be tiny too. |
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Sketch2 |
I'll try replacing the mesh, see what it does |
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twoelk |
Sketch2: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6007 might be of interest |
| 13:34 |
Sketch2 |
ty. that illustration in there explains what I'm running into- https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/3686677/28441992-b69dcd50-6da5-11e7-91d1-b8732be065bf.png |
| 13:35 |
twoelk |
or rather https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/game_api.txt#L417 |
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Sketch2 |
ooh yea, that looks doable |
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Sketch2 |
Ok, so... `player_api.register_model(name, def)` I wonder what it means by def: See [#Model definition] |
| 13:43 |
Sketch2 |
oh wait, that's the Lua code that you program in |
| 13:43 |
Sketch2 |
ok, it's all coming together |
| 13:54 |
Sketch2 |
hmm. /mods/xpanes/init.lua:167: attempt to call field 'node_sound_metal_defaults' (a nil value) |
| 13:56 |
Sketch2 |
oh, will change to stone, as per forum notes- https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=245793#p245793 |
| 14:10 |
Sketch2 |
player_api.register_model(name, def) loos like the right thing, but I don't get how you use it |
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Sketch2 |
*looks |
| 14:10 |
Sketch2 |
Do you just put minetest_game folders into your subgame folder? |
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Sketch2 |
That's what I tried, but it doesn't see the API anywhere |
| 14:13 |
Sketch2 |
tried minetest.player_api.register_model(model_name, model_def) |
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Sketch2 |
and default.player_api.register_model(model_name, model_def) |
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sfan5 |
that api does not exist in 0.4.16 |
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Sketch2 |
nada. I'd do a dofile(minetest.get_modpath("modname") .. "/script.lua") |
| 14:14 |
sfan5 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/stable-0.4/game_api.txt |
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sfan5 |
also it should've been "player_api.register_model("name", ...)" |
| 14:15 |
Sketch2 |
oh, ok. So that's 0.5 code then? |
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sfan5 |
yes |
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Sketch2 |
thank you. I'm ok with that |
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Sketch2 |
Does anyone have a realistic estimate on it's release? 1 month, 3, 6, more? |
| 14:39 |
twoelk |
hopefully before christmas :-D |
| 14:40 |
Sketch2 |
lols, k. I know these things take time, as many are involved |
| 14:43 |
twoelk |
0.5 will probably breack quite a few things so progress is slow and carefull or rather should be such |
| 14:46 |
twoelk |
CSM hasn't been resolved yet to fully address the needs and fears of server owners |
| 14:53 |
Sketch2 |
seems to break name_restrictions mod init.lua:52 for iname, data in pairs(minetest.auth_table) do |
| 14:53 |
Sketch2 |
bad argument #1 to 'pairs' (table expected, got nil) |
| 14:54 |
Sketch2 |
I wasn't really using it, so it's not a biggie. Just pulled it in from some other subgame |
| 14:54 |
sfan5 |
yes that was changed in 0.5 |
| 14:55 |
Sketch2 |
think I cloned uh, what was it, carbone-new or something like that, as a base set of mods to use |
| 14:57 |
Sketch2 |
so what's the trick with this player API? do you have to dofile(minetest.get_modpath("modname") .. "/script.lua") |
| 15:00 |
Sketch2 |
'cuz I keep getting Undeclared global variable "player_api" accessed at ... |
| 15:02 |
Sketch2 |
like, the code actually exists somewhere in the 0.5 branch. It's not just a readme, right? |
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sfan5 |
Sketch2: you need to put "player_api" into your mod's dependencies |
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Sketch2 |
oh yea, that makes sense |
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Sketch2 |
Getting somewhere. Little gruesome tho. It's using the default player.png and 'cuz it's tiny, there's just a decapitated head sliding around the floor |
| 15:49 |
Calinou |
`gibs` mod when? :P |
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Sketch2 |
Lols, yea like 'Rise of the Triad' oh man |
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blaise |
omg, havent heard of that title in a long time |
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Sketch2 |
It was a crazy one. Had a DB-9 serial connection between my pentium and my dad's 486, so me and my buddies would deathmatch it on the weekend |
| 16:17 |
blaise |
lol |
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blaise |
I used the plip module with a bidirectional parallel cable |
| 16:17 |
blaise |
much more bandwidth |
| 16:18 |
blaise |
same situation though |
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Sketch2 |
Oh, I'm sure, but this was running all the way across the house and down a flight of stairs. Used 6-strand wire |
| 16:19 |
blaise |
i487 <--> pentium classic 60 |
| 16:19 |
blaise |
Sketch2: omg. |
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Sketch2 |
you'd need ribbon cable to do that tho, and there's like a max length of ;bout a meter for that if I recall |
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blaise |
oh? i had one solid cable that was 30' |
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Sketch2 |
impressive. shielded perhaps? |
| 16:21 |
blaise |
cable originally came from a prime 4150.. was the scsi link cables |
| 16:21 |
blaise |
yeah, definitly shielded |
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Sketch2 |
Never tried it. Guess it is possible, they had long printer cables in the drafting room |
| 16:22 |
Sketch2 |
I was thining of the ribbon cables inside the case |
| 16:22 |
Sketch2 |
was epic. We'd get so riled up we'd yell at each other that we didn't need the intercom to hear |
| 16:22 |
blaise |
I was totally psyched when I got my box full of 10mb ethernet cards |
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blaise |
that token ring crap was a nightmare.. and slow as all getout |
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Sketch2 |
I believe it. man, that reminds me of drafting. Snuck a copy of Doom in there |
| 16:24 |
Sketch2 |
We'd play during lunch on the CAD pc's |
| 16:24 |
blaise |
naughty |
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Sketch2 |
good times |
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blaise |
I was a distributed for apogee and id software then |
| 16:25 |
blaise |
distributor I meant |
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Sketch2 |
cool |
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blaise |
they would always send me a massive catalog of floppies to update their selection on my board with |
| 16:26 |
blaise |
was like perpetual christmas |
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blaise |
I totally bought a copy of rise of the triad but I was the only one |
| 16:27 |
blaise |
everyone else on the board seemed to go for wolf3d or some sim games or something |
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Sketch2 |
one of my buddies I was talking about, his dad ran a computer shop, so he'd get stuff like that |
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Sketch2 |
and dad got practically every game out there from friends at work |
| 16:29 |
Sketch2 |
They'd hook him up. He never played 'em, just give 'em to us |
| 16:30 |
blaise |
so at the end of the rise of the triad game |
| 16:30 |
blaise |
what was that catarpillar thing that raced around on the ground? |
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Sketch2 |
2D one? |
| 16:30 |
blaise |
no, 3d |
| 16:30 |
blaise |
I never saw a 2d rise of the triad |
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Sketch2 |
oh wait, you mean in the game |
| 16:31 |
blaise |
yeah! |
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Sketch2 |
I thought you were talking about another game |
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Sketch2 |
uh, it's been so long |
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blaise |
lol |
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Sketch2 |
that's really stretching my memory |
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blaise |
Infedel! |
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blaise |
swift110: I know you can't hear or see me, but your internet connection sucks |
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Sketch2 |
sounds like the name of a C64 modem |
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Sketch2 |
running at the blazing speed of 110 baud |
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Sketch2 |
is there a mod that does auto-open doors? |
| 16:57 |
Sketch2 |
There's pressure-plates in what, mesecons? |
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lumberJ |
in xdecor as well |
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Sketch2 |
oh, and they slide open like a grocery store? |
| 17:03 |
lumberJ |
i think it only works with the traditional door models in xdecor |
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Sketch2 |
'prolly end up writing my own, but I need something to drop in place, just to test out |
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Sketch2 |
ok, cool. it does something. Approx what I was going for |
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Hi |
Hi |
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Sketch2 |
'ello |
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Guest88013 |
Can i take proof that Minetest is non-virus or sth? |
| 19:18 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 19:18 |
Sketch2 |
if you get it from the proper website, yea |
| 19:18 |
Guest88013 |
(my English is not good at all, sorry) |
| 19:18 |
Sketch2 |
minetest.net |
| 19:18 |
Fixer |
Guest88013: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/ |
| 19:19 |
rubenwardy |
see the number of stars, at least counts towards proving it's legit |
| 19:20 |
Guest88013 |
Ok, tnx, but how can i be sure that it not steal some data from my pc? |
| 19:20 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 19:20 |
rubenwardy |
I mean, you can't |
| 19:20 |
rubenwardy |
but you can be sure beyond any reasonable doubt simply by the number of users we have |
| 19:21 |
Guest88013 |
Why i can't? |
| 19:21 |
rubenwardy |
philosophical argument, we could all be bots or smth |
| 19:21 |
rubenwardy |
and also the fact that googling "minetest malware" doesn't return anything |
| 19:23 |
Sketch2 |
worst thing that happens 'round here is people mod a client so they can fly |
| 19:23 |
Guest88013 |
How can i completely disconnect Minetest from internet on my pc? |
| 19:23 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 19:23 |
Sketch2 |
unplug your LAN card |
| 19:23 |
rubenwardy |
using a firewall |
| 19:23 |
Guest88013 |
ok, i think that |
| 19:23 |
Guest88013 |
;d |
| 19:23 |
rubenwardy |
alternatively, make a VM and use wireshark |
| 19:24 |
rubenwardy |
and see for yourself that it doesn't nick data |
| 19:24 |
rubenwardy |
you're being overly paranoid, foss is pretty safe |
| 19:24 |
rubenwardy |
as long as you get it from a good source |
| 19:25 |
rubenwardy |
and make sure it's popular enough for people to report any issues |
| 19:25 |
Guest88013 |
No paranoid, careful |
| 19:26 |
rubenwardy |
it's paranoid |
| 19:26 |
rubenwardy |
careful would be doing above |
| 19:26 |
Guest88013 |
MSVC and MinGW - what's the difference? |
| 19:27 |
CWz |
Hey Sketch2 |
| 19:27 |
rubenwardy |
if you really cared about security you'd use some sort of container to restrict a program's access to files |
| 19:27 |
Sketch2 |
how's it goin' |
| 19:27 |
rubenwardy |
they're different ways of making the program |
| 19:27 |
rubenwardy |
MSVC usually runs better because it's by MS |
| 19:27 |
rubenwardy |
err |
| 19:27 |
rubenwardy |
really cared, as in cared a lot |
| 19:27 |
rubenwardy |
not saying that you don't care |
| 19:28 |
Guest88013 |
so, MSVC is running better? |
| 19:28 |
rubenwardy |
yeah |
| 19:28 |
Guest88013 |
ok |
| 19:29 |
Guest88013 |
Again. Why you named me paranoid? This time is time of invigilation, isn't that? |
| 19:29 |
Guest88013 |
*Our times |
| 19:31 |
Sketch2 |
It is a good idea to be cautious with all internet activity what with Meltdown and Spectre floating around nowadays |
| 19:32 |
Sketch2 |
but if you're just playing local games air-gapped from the 'net, you're 100% safe from that |
| 19:36 |
Sketch2 |
Need food in me. Be back in a bit |
| 19:37 |
Guest88013 |
I have blocked the game on firewall, and, despite it, i can play on servers |
| 19:37 |
Guest88013 |
Why? |
| 19:37 |
rubenwardy |
you need to block UDP |
| 19:38 |
Guest88013 |
ok |
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Guest88013 |
tnx for all good from you ;d |
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Sketch2 |
s'pose I'll study the inventory mods, 'cuz I feel making a little in-game menu would be something like that |
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CWz |
a LadyJ |
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CWz |
LazyJ* |
| 20:44 |
LazyJ |
Hehehe... Howdy CWz ;) |
| 20:45 |
CWz |
Salutations |
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