IRC log for #minetest, 2018-05-05

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08:29	koosha01	Hi there
08:29	koosha01	Why can't I create bed ?
08:30	koosha01	Should I install any mod? Isn't it installed by default?
08:41	lumberJ	hi koosha01
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08:43	lumberJ	yes, beds are included in minetest game
08:45	koosha01	lumberJ: So why can't I build one?
08:45	lumberJ	are you playing single player? are you sure you have the craft right?
08:46	koosha01	lumberJ: Yes.
08:47	koosha01	I didn't install any Mod.
08:48	lumberJ	are you playing minetest game or minimal game?
08:48	koosha01	How do I know the difference?
08:48	lumberJ	in the main menus when you create the world, the two options are at the bottom left
08:49	koosha01	It's Minetest Game
08:51	lumberJ	the simple bed craft is empty top row
08:51	lumberJ	two red one white wool middle row
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08:52	lumberJ	three wood planks bottom row
08:52	lumberJ	can you confirm that is the craft you used?
08:53	koosha01	I used blue instead of red doest it make difference ?
08:54	lumberJ	yes, the craft calls for red only
08:54	koosha01	Oh, wow :D thank you so much.
08:54	lumberJ	yw
08:57	lumberJ	koosha01, minetest game is fairly playable as is, at least to learn basic game play, but you may wish to add a craft guide: https://github.com/minetest-mods/craftguide
08:57	lumberJ	or you can just refer to wiki.minetest.net to get crafts
09:10	koosha01	lumberJ: Thanks.
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10:54	andirc8000	Can someone help me please I want a node to be destroyed with a single punch (and only one node and not the nodes behind it) so in oneclick mod (5 lines of code): https://hastebin.com/veruyoyujo.lua it works fine but it destroys sometimes 2 nodes at once
10:56	Shara	That's just because you hold down punch too long.
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10:56	andirc8000	Shara: nope.
10:56	Shara	If you destroy somethign instantly, then that something is gone and you are targetting whatever is behind it
10:56	Shara	something*
10:57	andirc8000	Shara: I specifically assigned autohotkey keyboard key to a mouse click.
10:57	Shara	This is a really common problem with tools that remove things quickly
10:57	Shara	It's why there is usually a small delay
10:57	andirc8000	Shara: and when I press that keyboard key only once, it still destroys sometimes 2 blocks at once.
10:58	Shara	But the game doesn't need it pressed twice. It's possible to hold a key down, even for the slightest moment, to have an action repeat on the next target
10:58	Shara	So you think the press is instant, and you think the removal is instant.. nwo which instant is the quicker one?
10:58	Shara	now*
10:59	andirc8000	Shara: nope. If I single click on a window's X button, only that window closes (and not the window behind it) i think this is a bug...
10:59	andirc8000	(even if a window behind it X button is on the same location)
11:00	Shara	I have no idea how that operatates, but I know how MT does this.
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11:09	andirc8000	Shara: for reference, my Autohotkey script: https://hastebin.com/ozopofecap.vbs -- now when I press 'f' key - I get only 'swinging' motion (no destruction, (wtf?)) -- but when I press 'F5' key -- sometimes 2 blocks get destroyed, and sometimes 1
11:09	andirc8000	not consistent...
11:10	Shara	You set up two things that are "instant"... but nothing is ever really instant.
11:11	Shara	Not sure what else to say to you.
11:11	andirc8000	Shara: ok.
11:11	Shara	If there is a real issue, maybe someone will find it, but it doesn't seem like to me.
11:12	Shara	You should also consider that even if it worked when you set somethign up to handle the keypress for you, in game when people are playing with a mouse or phone, it will be unusable
11:13	Shara	Even in creative mode there is a delay because people don't stop punching quickly enough
11:14	xerox123	how do I starts a minetestserver onstance of a certain PID?
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13:10	rubenwardy	use on_punch, andirc8000
13:10	rubenwardy	It only happens once per click
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13:58	andirc8000	rubenwardy: ok, I didn't find on_punch here: http://dev.minetest.net/Category:Methods and in my script I use on_punchnode https://hastebin.com/veruyoyujo.lua which then inconsistently destroys either 1 or 2 blocks
13:58	andirc8000	rubenwardy: did you just mean 'on_punchnode'?
14:03	Shara	Wouldn't needing to click again per node remove the point of having such quick removal?
14:03	lumberJ	andirc8000: http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.register_node#on_punch
14:12	rubenwardy	on_punch in the def
14:12	rubenwardy	^^
14:13	rubenwardy	and ^^^^
14:13	andirc8000	lumberJ, rubenwardy thanks, I still can't figure out how to make a proper one-click mod from this ... so I will think it over and ask again when I have a more concrete something to ask thanks.
14:14	lumberJ	or if you are attaching this function to a tool you might use on_use: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L5206
14:15	lumberJ	andirc8000 ^
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15:14	Astrobe	I'd like to give my player a "survival guide" with their initial stuff. If there a mod that implements a "pre-written book" somewhere?
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15:20	rubenwardy	try default:book_written 1 "Some text here"
15:20	rubenwardy	or better
15:20	ANAND	^ exactly what I was about to say
15:20	rubenwardy	local book = ItemStack("default:book")
15:20	rubenwardy	book:set_metadata("content")
15:21	rubenwardy	book:to_string()
15:21	ANAND	even better ;)
15:21	rubenwardy	and use that for the thing in given inital items
15:22	Astrobe	Oh, I see. I fill myself the fields of the book.
15:22	Astrobe	thx.
15:22	Krock	1 moment.. making a mod for that
15:25	Krock	Astrobe, https://pastebin.com/XhvAmryn
15:28	Astrobe	Thanks. My server is running right now so I'll try it later.
15:29	Krock	Disclaimer: Untested 8)
15:32	Ruslan1	Astrobe: what is your server
15:33	Ruslan1	Hello
15:36	Astrobe	My server is Minefall.
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15:51	Krock	!server minefall
15:51	MinetestBot	Krock: No results
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16:02	Astrobe	Oh, I unticked "host a server" in the GUI so minetest --server won't announce itself. I make that mistake once in a while.
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16:03	Astrobe	!server minefall
16:03	MinetestBot	Astrobe: Minefall \| 77.151.101.245 \| Clients: 0/10, 0/0 \| Version: 0.4.16 / Minefall6 \| Ping: 54ms
16:05	Astrobe	Ping from where?
16:05	riff-IRC	pong
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16:08	sfan5	Astrobe: NL
16:10	Astrobe	That explains the pretty good figure.
16:13	blaise	:D
16:23	Ruslan1	Astrobe: I canâ€™t join your server
16:25	Ruslan1	Astrobe:
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16:27	Ruslan1	!server Minefall
16:27	MinetestBot	Ruslan1: Minefall \| 77.151.101.245 \| Clients: 1/10, 0/1 \| Version: 0.4.16 / Minefall6 \| Ping: 54ms
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16:29	Ruslan1	!help
16:29	MinetestBot	https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
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16:30	Krock	Astrobe, is there any protection mod? It looks very exposed to griefers
16:30	cimbakahn	Hello!
16:31	cimbakahn	Does anyone know where i can get a copy of the Dreambuilder subgame?
16:34	sfan5	on github?
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16:36	Krock	cimbakahn, it's no longer a subgame. it's a modpack now
16:36	Krock	!mod dreambuilder
16:36	MinetestBot	Krock: Dreambuilder [20180213-1405] by VanessaE - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9196
16:37	Krock	Astrobe, for some reason I can't place saplings. No warning is shown and it's not removed from the inventory
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16:37	Astrobe	that's because you need to work the ground with a hoe.
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16:41	cimbakahn	I know, but there used to be a dreambuilder subgame.Â Do you know if I can find a copy of THAT anywhere?
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17:00	Astrobe	Krock, disable_anticheat=false is enough for the kind of things you could do?
17:01	Krock	Astrobe, regarding the fast speed: yes.
17:01	Krock	but the hand slot abuse requires a mod to disallow
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17:38	VanessaE	cimbakahn: no chance. it ain't been a subgame for a veeeeeeeeeery long time.
17:40	VanessaE	just get an updated engine (0.4.x series) and corresponding minetest_game, once you add the regular dreambuilder modpack to that, you have pretty much what the subgame had.
17:40	VanessaE	just alter your world.mt to point to minetest_game.
17:45	cimbakahn	VanessaE, Thank you!
17:46	VanessaE	(btw it might also be fine in 0.5.x-dev but I have never tried it)
18:05	longerstaff13-m	Hi VanessaE
18:07	VanessaE	hi
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18:22	hisforevr	whats the screen shot url please?
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19:56	Astrobe	Krock, https://pastebin.com/BDhEWiEH
19:57	Astrobe	A few minor corrections.
19:57	Astrobe	Does this really deserve to be a mod?
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19:59	Astrobe	Also wrt to the protections on my server: I have. A modification of the protector block, reduced to 1-block radius and attached to the bricks you find in ruins.
19:59	Astrobe	Basically perimeter protection.
20:00	Astrobe	As for grief, the environnement is porbably the main one. It didn't happen when you were there, but lighning strikes have a chance to create a TNT explosion.
20:02	Astrobe	It's not intended to be a large public server. My subgame is to peculiar to be popular to begin with.
20:09	Krock	everything deserves to be a mod :D
20:11	Krock	that protection sounds interesting - has the potential of placing nodes (using edited clients) inside large rooms
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20:18	Astrobe	True, if someone breaks in a room, only the vincinaty of walls, floor and ceiling are protected.
20:20	Astrobe	Unless you place protection pilars every two blocks.
20:20	Astrobe	Which amusingly is analogous to physical building constrains.
20:21	User11	I need a mod with cars
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20:24	Krock	!mod cars
20:24	MinetestBot	Krock: Car (Now with more cars and crafting recipes!) [0.2.2][car] by Esteban - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=7407
20:24	Krock	^ User11 there you go
20:24	Krock	oh well..
20:25	Krock	let's retry in some minutes
20:26	Astrobe	Esteban deleted his stuff apparently.
20:27	Krock	!mod cars
20:27	MinetestBot	Krock: Car extension for StreetsMod (ALPHA)[cars] by webdesigner97 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=7459
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20:39	MinetestBot	[git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest: Fix builtin inventory list crash when size = 0 (#7297) d99a033 https://git.io/vpwhR (2018-05-05T20:37:07Z)
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23:58	blackGen	Hey guys, how can normalize noise values between 0 and 1?
23:58	blackGen	I mean, not just limit it or return absolute values, but have proper noise values from 0 to 1

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