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Wuzzy |
hello. There will be a small party on the JT2 server soon. feel free to join the fun! (requires 0.4.17 client) ? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> where's the vomit bag |
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MTDiscord |
</g/> lol |
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MTDiscord |
<srinivas> > (requires 0.4.17 client) or you can use my mtlaucher, the worlds only (afaik) launcher for minetest that has support for both 4.x and 5.x servers |
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MTDiscord |
<srinivas> :p |
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MTDiscord |
</g/> people still use 0.4.17? |
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<srinivas> debian 9 |
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MTDiscord |
<srinivas> without backports |
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MTDiscord |
<srinivas> centos 7 |
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<srinivas> centos 8 |
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MTDiscord |
</g/> Ah yes, distro shenanigans |
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MTDiscord |
<srinivas> a whole lot of fun |
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MTDiscord |
<srinivas> come use arch, we got 5.4 on the day it was released |
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<srinivas> npm 7 in testing repos, it released about 10 hours ago |
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<srinivas> kernel 5.11.1 |
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<srinivas> python3.9 |
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MTDiscord |
<srinivas> must i go on? |
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MTDiscord |
</g/> any luck compiling a version 5 client or Server? |
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MTDiscord |
<srinivas> on linux? |
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MTDiscord |
<srinivas> tis a breeze |
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MTDiscord |
<srinivas> however |
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MTDiscord |
<srinivas> there may be library issues |
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MTDiscord |
<srinivas> so that can theoretically complicate things |
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MTDiscord |
</g/> pain |
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MTDiscord |
<srinivas> but worst case, you will need to pull manually |
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<srinivas> and compile |
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MTDiscord |
<srinivas> so the only thing you really need is a recent enough libc |
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MTDiscord |
<srinivas> and a bit of elbow grease |
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<Jonathon> why doesnt jt2 upgrade to 5.x? ? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> the elephant in the room |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> android |
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<Jordach> mobile clients ruined minetest |
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<Warr1024> Not mobile clients, just specifically the never-official iOS version |
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<Warr1024> At least android can keep up with the current version, even if the controls are awkward |
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MTDiscord |
</g/> well on the contrary, mobile clients helped expand our playerbase in a sense |
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MTDiscord |
</g/> it just needs more tinkering |
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MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> AFAIK JT2 runs on a highly modified engine, so after upgrade they would've to incorporate their custom c++ changes again |
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Rowowan |
Does Minetest not have mobs? |
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sfan5 |
you can install mods for that |
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Rowowan |
What about hunger? |
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sfan5 |
same |
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Rowowan |
Pardon me for asking, but if the features are present, why aren't they in base? |
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sfan5 |
first there's a distinction to be made between Minetest (the engine) and Minetest Game, which is probably what you are looking at |
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IceDragon |
At the end of the day, minetest is but an engine and doesn't assume any defaults outside of the bare minimum (and to remain lightweight to download), I assume by base you mean minetest_game, most mods should be compatible with it, and sfan5 beat me to it... |
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sfan5 |
the engine only provides the possibilities the games decide what to add and provide the content. now for why Minetest Game has no mobs, that's a complicated story |
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IceDragon |
short answer: mobs are hard |
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sfan5 |
if you were to download e.g. MineClone2 (another game for the Minetest engine) you'd find that it does have mobs |
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Rowowan |
Ooooh. |
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Rowowan |
yeah, I meant Minetest_Game. |
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Rowowan |
So, which is the closest Minecraft clone? |
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sfan5 |
MineClone2 has that exact goal |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> mineclone2, or crafter |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> crafter is pretty much dead and the some parts of it have been merged/worked into mineclone2 |
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Rowowan |
Okay, cool. |
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Rowowan |
So, what exactly does contributing to MineTest itself mean? |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Contributing to minetest would generally involve making and publishing mods, and eventually games, and/or making engine improvments. |
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adfeno |
Hi, how does strict_protocol_version_checking compare "old clients" ? |
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adfeno |
Is it using the full version number, major.middle.minor or does it let 5.x.x clients connect to 5.3.0 ? |
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rubenwardy |
protocol numbers |
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adfeno |
Ah, OK |
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adfeno |
So it differs from version number |
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adfeno |
(I meant, it users protocol numbers instead) |
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adfeno |
Thank you ;) |
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tech_exorcist |
with some code editing, would it be possible to connect a 5.4.0 client to a (yes, this is oddly specific) 0.4.14-dev-719bd6b server? (which is actually a spheretest server; it turns out that you can connect 0.4.something stock clients to spheretest servers, and sphreretest clients to 0.4.the-same-something stock servers) |
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rubenwardy |
you'd need a lot of code editing, tech_exorcist, we intentionally broke network compat to simplify code |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> 4x connecting to 5x has already been done |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Altho thats flip of what you want |
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tech_exorcist |
rubenwardy, ok |
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tech_exorcist |
@Jonathon, how has it been done though? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> See any multicraft2.0 server on the serverlist |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Tbh, seems like it would be easier to make the sphere stuff work in 5x than trying to go backwards |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> But im i dont know much about the sphere |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> *but i |
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twoelk |
going forwards should be more rewarding than going backwards |
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adfeno |
Hi there, which connections does servers.minetest.net make to announced servers? |
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adfeno |
(whether it's ICMP, UDP/TCP and port number) |
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sfan5 |
udp to the port your server is running on |
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adfeno |
Ah, thanks ;) |
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tech_exorcist |
is https://servers.minetest.net's backend code free as in freedom? |
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sfan5 |
https://github.com/minetest/serverlist |
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tech_exorcist |
I meant the part that contacts servers, sorry for misexplaining |
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tech_exorcist |
:-) |
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sfan5 |
it's in there |
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tech_exorcist |
thanks anyway |
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tech_exorcist |
oh |
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tech_exorcist |
nice |
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tech_exorcist |
thanks :-) |
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tech_exorcist |
has anyone here tried out spheretest? (I'm not the developer) |
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xerox123 |
a while ago, yes |
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tech_exorcist |
we need a #minetest-offtopic, imho |
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sfan5 |
why? offtopic is allowed here |
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tech_exorcist |
oh |
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tech_exorcist |
ok |
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tech_exorcist |
:-) |
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