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Sven_vB |
nah, not sufficiently motivated atm |
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Sven_vB |
well, those CSM are useless for my usecase atm because my favorite server requests to disable CSM. overriding that would go in a grey area. |
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specing |
> <Sven_vB> we can then make MT a distributed computing platform, and maybe even add a block chain. |
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specing |
imagine the lag when all your actions have to be confirmed by a few mined blocks |
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erlehmann |
<Sven_vB> well, those CSM are useless for my usecase atm because my favorite server requests to disable CSM. overriding that would go in a grey area. |
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erlehmann |
lol |
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erlehmann |
Sven_vB disabling assistive technologies is a courtesy at most |
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Sven_vB |
it's all about how reasonable people are. if I were entirely reasonable, I just wouldn't play there. :D |
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erlehmann |
Sven_vB why would anyone ask people to turn CSMs off? |
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erlehmann |
i think waspsaliva contains an autoclicker for laggy servers |
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erlehmann |
it just clicks on the items until you get them |
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erlehmann |
not sure though |
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Sven_vB |
erlehmann, dunno, I don't fully understand their views and considerations. I just adapt to them to the extent that my motivation and time allow. |
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erlehmann |
Sven_vB, just use waspsaliva |
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Sven_vB |
I might consider it another day |
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Sven_vB |
problem is, whenever I'm in a reasonable enough mood to try waspaliva, it goes far enough as to not play MT but do more productive things. =) |
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independent56 |
I can't wait until someone confuses "i am running a server" with "i am running a supercomputer". |
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Noclip[m] |
Who doesn't have a supercomputer in their basement? |
| 09:17 |
independent56 |
i knowwww! imgaine not having the budget to do so! |
| 09:17 |
Noclip[m] |
Poor losers I guess. |
| 09:18 |
independent56 |
But seriously, i would pu my supercomputer outside, and build a shelter for it. Like most datacentres do. |
| 09:19 |
independent56 |
And imagine being so cheap you use a 32 bit underpowered computer as your server XD (totallynotme) |
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Noclip[m] |
independent56: Imagine building a computer outside without a shelter xD |
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Noclip[m] |
s/computer/supercomputer |
| 09:22 |
independent56 |
Welll, you build the supercomputer, and then build a warehouse around it. Which explains why google's datacentres are in california. |
| 09:24 |
Noclip[m] |
I'd probably start with the warehouse and add the computer after that ... |
| 09:27 |
independent56 |
What if you build it with feet instead of metres? you need to build the compuiter first then size the warehouse for it. |
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Noclip[m] |
What if it rains? |
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independent56 |
You check the weather first, obviously |
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Noclip[m] |
And then at that day weather predictions turn out to be wrong, lol. |
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independent56 |
I guess you make the computer waterproof |
| 09:30 |
Noclip[m] |
"Hey, look at our super expensive supercomputer, it's swimming over there ..." |
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Noclip[m] |
independent56: I thought that would be the job of the warehouse, lol. |
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independent56 |
Which is why you build the warehouse. The order in which you buildboth is debateable. |
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independent56 |
i still haven't built adedicated warehouse for my server. |
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Noclip[m] |
First the warehouse and then the supercomputer ... |
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independent56 |
What if you run out of budget building the warehouse? |
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Noclip[m] |
You usually also build first your house and then put stuff into it, not the other way around! |
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independent56 |
Well a house and computer are entirely different |
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independent56 |
its like comparing a tree and houseplant. the tree is waterproof and can go outside. |
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Noclip[m] |
Which plants are not waterproof? |
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independent56 |
It depends on what you define as water. If you define water as a clear liquid, then plants are not waterproof |
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Noclip[m] |
I define water as water?! |
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Noclip[m] |
H2O |
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independent56 |
Well, it depends on purity. Pure water is actually quite dangerous |
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Noclip[m] |
independent56: You know, this thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water |
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independent56 |
And of course, if the water is boiling, it could easily kill a plant |
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Noclip[m] |
Not sure where you live that it rains boiling water ... |
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Noclip[m] |
Which apparently also doesn't seem to make that much sense. |
| 09:41 |
independent56 |
We aren't talking about rain; that's wheatherproofinh |
| 09:42 |
Noclip[m] |
I was initially talking about rain ... |
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independent56 |
eh, i still think my server is fine without a warehous |
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Noclip[m] |
Your server is weatherproof then? |
| 09:45 |
independent56 |
Yes. Somehow, it stays underneath the router in my didning room and rain has no effect on it. |
| 09:46 |
Noclip[m] |
Because it's not outside?! |
| 09:47 |
Noclip[m] |
"Well, it depends on purity. Pure water is actually quite dangerous" |
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Noclip[m] |
independent56: No, it's not. |
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independent56 |
Again, it depends onwhat you define as outside. My server is exposed to air, and there is air ojutside. Thus, it's outside |
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independent56 |
Impure water is even more dangerous |
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Noclip[m] |
Depends on what you mean by impure. |
| 09:48 |
Noclip[m] |
Also stop pretending you wouldn't understand what I mean ... |
| 09:51 |
independent56 |
I do understand what you mean. It depends on what you define as understand. |
| 09:51 |
Noclip[m] |
You know exactly what I mean with "outside" ... |
| 09:52 |
independent56 |
And yeah, i think a server should be inside a warehouse. Waterproofing dosnen't always work,and i wouldn't trust these IRC logs to some waterproofed datacentre |
| 09:52 |
Noclip[m] |
independent56: I see, you're trying to troll me ... |
| 09:52 |
independent56 |
I am taking advantage of ambiguities within the english language and a depenence on context. |
| 09:53 |
independent56 |
I think that's what happened to homeland. The server corrupted due to inneficent weatherproofing |
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Noclip[m] |
Most parts of non-formal languages aren't defined properly if at all. |
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independent56 |
I guess we all have to speak lawerspeak. |
| 09:55 |
Noclip[m] |
They're still using our non-formal languages. |
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Noclip[m] |
Examples for formal languages are math and computer languages. |
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independent56 |
i guess we allhave to speak lobjan |
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Noclip[m] |
independent56: You mean lojban? That doesn't seem to be a formal language either. |
| 10:02 |
independent56 |
Well it has no ambiguity |
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independent56 |
close enough |
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Noclip[m] |
Actually there might be fairly good definitions for most words of most languages but they are encoded in some sort of weird proprietary format inside the human brain. |
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Noclip[m] |
And while we humans seem to be able to work somewhat sufficiently with those definitions we aren't really able to export them in a clean way. |
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independent56 |
I think we should focus less on the hardware and more on the software - how does this webserver goso quickly? How is this minetest server able to run so quick? Why does this server have extremely slow mapblock load times? |
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independent56 |
Actually reject that, i was wrong. Most of these are down to hardware |
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independent56 |
Well, goodnight |
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sfan5 |
how can you say goodnight at 12 o' clock |
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independent56 |
https://xkcd.com/320/ |
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AndrewYu1 |
Hi AristotIe |
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AristotIe |
Hullo |
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specing |
Please stop using GitHub and Discord -- https://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html |
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independent56 |
Good morning! I hope my advtrains wiki changes are recieved well |
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Noclip[m] |
independent56: Not even three hours of sleep?! |
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independent56 |
I had to escape some way |
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erlehmann |
sfan5 is there any way to tell a node to please run its run-always-on-load LBM specifically? |
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sfan5 |
for a single node? |
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erlehmann |
use case: i use a vmanip to take nodes from a location and put them somewhere else |
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sfan5 |
ah I think you mentioned this before |
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erlehmann |
yes for a single node or the whole area |
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erlehmann |
it breaks on nodes that generate accompanying entities |
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erlehmann |
like, uh, mineclone2 chests |
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erlehmann |
but also prob enchantment tables |
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erlehmann |
the book on the table is an entity |
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sfan5 |
look into minetest.registered_lbms and call the ones that match |
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erlehmann |
banners too have a node and the banner entity is generated |
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erlehmann |
oh hmm good idea |
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erlehmann |
thank you! |
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erlehmann |
sfan5 i can just … call them? without any ill effects? |
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sfan5 |
basically yes |
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sfan5 |
you can do that with almost all things, just provide it the arguments it expects |
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independent56 |
LF question: Is the personhoob tram system operational? |
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independent_ |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=27198&p=399614#p399614 has a final minetest vibe (yes, i know this troll has been discussed before) |
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independent_ |
How am isupposed to use protection blocks? do i tile them? |
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independent_ |
If i were to repalce my server with a desktop compiter, wouldtht be better? |
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Krock |
yes sure because upright shapes can run faster than flat, laid down ones |
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Krock |
(this is sarcasm btw) |
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independent_ |
Well, my server is a 32 bit, decade old webbook. And a desktop ould be relitively modern |
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specing |
why not replace it with a pentium 32-bit desktop? |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I've had good luck just buying refurb office desktop machines for like $150 to $200 on amazon. They run solidly enough for servers, though part of why I like them is because it's easy to expand the fleet with commodity hardware like that. |
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Krock |
^ this. take a semi-recent office PC and throw a mid-tier GPU and PSU in, and you're good to go. Avoid Dell though. |
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independent_ |
Why no dell?? |
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Krock |
their office PCs are likely to have proprietary cabling and connectors |
| 20:02 |
independent_ |
Ah, so it's not failure issues. That's why my grandmother reccomends dell (she used a dell for a decade!) |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> do avoid dell |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> me and rubenwardy can tell you this |
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Krock |
add me in |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> my XPS 15's display has now died just after free servicing period ended |
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independent_ |
wow |
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independent_ |
Well, time to go desktop shopping! |
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independent_ |
What site do you reccomend? |
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jonadab |
Eh, Dell is pretty typical of large OEMs. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> their laptops are arse |
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jonadab |
Granted, if you want all off-the-shelf components, large OEMs are not usually the way to go. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> hell if you want a decent cheap desktop with bang for buck the M1 Mac Mini is that way |
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jonadab |
I heard a rumor that there's a company trying to make a fully standardized laptop out of all standard components. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> you mean Clevo |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> Clevo makes those desktop replacement chassis |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> battery life does take a nose dive like football players |
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independent_ |
Now i think of it, all memories of desktop computers had the dell logo (except for the stone computer desktops) |
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independent_ |
Maybe i shouldn't take computer advice from my grandmother |
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rubenwardy |
I'm happy with my Dell laptop apart from the fact that it needed to be serviced 5 times, due to manufacturing errors. They don't do much QA |
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rubenwardy |
A pretty big "apart from" |
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jonadab |
Laptops in general are pants, though needing to have one serviced five times under warranty sounds worse than average. |
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rubenwardy |
It was for the same issue |
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rubenwardy |
Finally was fixed |
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rubenwardy |
Looks like the original motherboard and the first replacement motherboard were broken |
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rubenwardy |
But the second replacement worked... |
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independent_ |
My ASUS absolutely sucks. It used to creak a lot, and it's fan was on the hook. Now there is a loosenes on the bottom of the screen. |
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rubenwardy |
I got a Dell XPS 9370, their latest flagship laptop at the time |
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rubenwardy |
They sell them to businesses, I imagine they get better QA |
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independent_ |
But it works as a computer. And it performs better then mum's old one (When she commented about it when she used it forsome workas her computer would not connect tothe internet on the ferry) |
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independent56 |
Is a spawn traditionally built on pre-flattened ground or just the normal kind? |
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independent56 |
And what do you advise? |
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erlehmann |
independent56 as your attorney i advice you to take a detour to clamity anarchy :3 |
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