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GreenXenith |
Hello again everyone! The 2021 Minetest Game Jam has started! (Dec. 1st UTC) Spend the next 3 weeks making an amazing game for the community to play and have a chance at part of the $500+ prize pool! Remember full details are at https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=27512. |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> ghoti: try blocky survival |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> @ghoti also YourLand, Its got all that stuff, with a good bit of lore and active roleplay story that is continually developed |
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erlehmann |
regarding the game jam, i want to point out that there is no minetest rollercoaster mod as far as i can see |
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erlehmann |
give me the lööpings pls |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> a roolercoaster sim would be cool |
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erlehmann |
MisterE did you ever play openrct2? |
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erlehmann |
it is amazing |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> no |
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erlehmann |
try it, it has the minigame vibe :3 |
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erlehmann |
ppl are absurdly creative with it |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> i played openTTD and got bored ? |
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erlehmann |
using any extensions? |
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erlehmann |
openRCT2 is the logical consequence of openTTD being boring |
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erlehmann |
both games were originally made by chris sawyer |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> no extentions to speak of |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> heh I guess its sorta like minetest in that regard |
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erlehmann |
yeah |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> but minetest is 3d so immediately engaging ? |
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erlehmann |
i have found that openttd is more fun with a) reasonable AI opponents b) game scripts that define goals (grow this city etc.) c) a ton of mods |
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erlehmann |
some mods like eGRVTS2 stand on their own |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> I personally dont see the point in modding a 2d game |
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erlehmann |
uh, it's iso 2d |
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erlehmann |
openRCT2 has a 3d world though and you can rotate the projection by 90 degrees |
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erlehmann |
interlocking loopings! |
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erlehmann |
with all the cruelty of the sims |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> I wonder it it would be possible to hook up minetest as the graphics engine for these games |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> and transfer the input to the sim engine |
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erlehmann |
for example, some weeks ago my friend figured out that once the guests are in the park, they have already paid entry fee |
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erlehmann |
the solution is to make a very attractive rollercoaster |
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erlehmann |
that kills its passengers |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> ... |
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erlehmann |
bc then the game things too few ppl are in the park |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> uh little park of horrors >P |
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erlehmann |
he did that by making the exit of the rollercoaster at a y level that the guests fall out of the world |
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erlehmann |
which does not count as killing them it seems |
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erlehmann |
the coaster was named “literally death” |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> ofc not... I mean, I dont think that IRL if a company found a way to send their customers to an alternate reality they could be accused of murder.... It would be very profitable. I wonder why it hasnt been done already |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> ok Im too tired lol |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> gn |
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erlehmann |
what sets openRCT2 apart from openTTD is a) lots of different ride types, not just train / tram / truck / boat / airplane b) you can follow single park guests and see what they eat or bought or how much money they have or how much they want to puke |
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erlehmann |
you are good MisterE, the typical joke about such a situation is much more dark |
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erlehmann |
MisterE do you know schiffbruch.exe ? |
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erlehmann |
i have a question |
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erlehmann |
i have an inventory |
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erlehmann |
for a user |
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erlehmann |
but the user should only be able to interact with it when near a specific node |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> That sounds pretty easy... just make a formspec code that only shows the inv list if it finds that node in a search or a location comparison. Or have it actually assess the inv of the closest node of that type if found |
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erlehmann |
MisterE the formspec can be shown by cheat client |
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erlehmann |
https://github.com/EliasFleckenstein03/enderchest/blob/master/init.lua |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> Ban em |
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erlehmann |
the issue at hand is that i am one of the devs of mineclonia |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> Well idk then... even deta"hed inv? |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> *detached |
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erlehmann |
minetest.register_on_joinplayer(function(player) |
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erlehmann |
local inv = player:get_inventory() |
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erlehmann |
inv:set_size("enderchest", 9*3) |
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erlehmann |
end) |
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erlehmann |
that is all |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> Thats a detached |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> Then can a *node inv be accessed by a cheat? |
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erlehmann |
well ender chestss are special |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> Ender chests use detached inv |
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erlehmann |
the ender chest is a chest that gives access to a single global inventory |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> Ik |
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erlehmann |
so i guess i have to return false somewhere |
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erlehmann |
and use my new best friend minetest.find_nodes_in_area() |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> Oh! |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> Heh |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> You are using the player inv, a subset of it |
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erlehmann |
yeah so what now :/ |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> Instead create and use a detached inv |
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erlehmann |
ha but all the old items are in there |
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erlehmann |
my own duped shulkers! |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> Look at how 3d_armour deos it |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> And you can write code to transfer all the old inv stuff to the new and delete the old |
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erlehmann |
> A detached inventory is one which is independent of players or nodes. Detached inventories also don’t save over a restart. |
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erlehmann |
what does the “save over” bit mean? |
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erlehmann |
https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/en/items/inventories.html#modifying-inventories-and-itemstacks |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> 3d armour saves it over a restart... using mod storage |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> Meaning you will have to update the inv after a restart from mod storage. Make sure to save to mod storage often |
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erlehmann |
do you want to comment here maybe? https://git.minetest.land/Mineclonia/Mineclonia/issues/192 |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> not rn I gtg 2 sleep sorry |
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erlehmann |
so there is no way i can limit player inventory interaction? |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> But study 3darmor |
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erlehmann |
ok |
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erlehmann |
thank you sir |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> np |
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erlehmann |
MisterE cora says anyone can beek into detached thingies |
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erlehmann |
peek |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> huh well can anyone *take from them? |
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erlehmann |
MisterE not anymore i think |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> Then you may have to just settle for that |
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erlehmann |
no |
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erlehmann |
maybe one of the devs knows if armor can still be stolen |
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sfan5 |
mods have callbacks to control access to detached inventories |
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sfan5 |
if they're doing it wrong that's their issue |
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erlehmann |
i'm pretty sure armor stealing was an engine bug, let me look it up |
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erlehmann |
he https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/9986 |
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erlehmann |
haha |
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erlehmann |
sfan5, could have been the swap bug https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/9918 |
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erlehmann |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6534 |
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erlehmann |
> means the mod that operates the inventory can’t veto or track the removal of the items unless it replicates the logic of InventoryList::moveItem’s calculation of did_swap in allow_metadata_inventory_put, which is pretty nasty. |
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erlehmann |
it was fixed |
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erlehmann |
sfan5 that is the way to put shulkers into shulkers or basically anything anywhere ;) |
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erlehmann |
or use bones as chests |
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erlehmann |
sfan5 what would you suggest to prevent players from getting stuff out of their inv? |
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sfan5 |
nothing? the engine does not provide that |
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Teckla |
ghoti: If I recall correctly, I visited YourLand (sp?) recently, and was pretty much blown away. :) |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> sfan5: if dynamic media is used to add media for everyone in minetest.register_on_prejoinplayer will that joining player get the media? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> or is it to late |
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sfan5 |
if the client is new enough it should get the media either way |
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sfan5 |
for whether it'd be sent like "normal" media: dunno, you'd need check when prejoinplayer happens exactly |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> docs claim prior to auth, but i guess ill need to look into it, thanks |
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definitelya |
"Yeah but this is an fish two pals of me and I are very interested in frying specifically." |
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definitelya |
Just randomness from the issue tracker. |
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erlehmann |
definitelya, context? |
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definitelya |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/11657#issuecomment-983076186 |
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erlehmann |
LOL |
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erlehmann |
these “you have to change the name” types always amuse me |
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erlehmann |
it's a specific type of person |
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erlehmann |
they have LOTs of ideas |
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definitelya |
yep |
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erlehmann |
just tell ppl to use dragonfire |
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erlehmann |
it has a cool name lol |
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definitelya |
Just install a food mod with a frying pan and a grill and you're set. B) |
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definitelya |
Is that the alternative client? |
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erlehmann |
it is one of the hack clients |
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erlehmann |
better use waspsaliva |
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definitelya |
ah nah I just need noclip in normal Minetest for now ahah |
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erlehmann |
definitelya, edit the file src/client/client.h and look for checkPrivilege – make it always return true |
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erlehmann |
instant flying, noclip, debug etc. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> tbh the MT GH should have a specific kind of WONTFIX resolution type just for the "yet another effing rename request" issues. |
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erlehmann |
you will be banned on CTF for this |
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definitelya |
D: |
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erlehmann |
definitelya the patch enables you to use fly etc. without having the priv |
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definitelya |
Bewared. |
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ROllerozxa |
add a bikeshedding label |
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erlehmann |
so just don't do it in competitive multiplayer |
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erlehmann |
definitelya if you want a server where there are no rules except not crashing the server or doing irl badness, go to oysterity |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Roller: bikeshedding is only half of it, it's ALSO beating a dead horse. |
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definitelya |
erlehmann: nice |
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definitelya |
I might try it, I'm really rusty with pvp. |
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erlehmann |
definitelya i suggest to not linger around spawn too much. also keep in mind that the most mean ppl are like 14 year old kids with no friends. |
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erlehmann |
i.e. they are stupid |
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definitelya |
erlehmann: so like any anarchy server, kk. |
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erlehmann |
the ones with friends are generally smart enough to have figured out that being a meanie is not fun |
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erlehmann |
no not like any |
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erlehmann |
clamity was much cooler |
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erlehmann |
i haven't seen any shulkers in shulkers yet on oysterity |
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definitelya |
Ok thanks, you'll see me around sometime probably. |
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definitelya |
Unless I spontaneosly disintegrate before I get the chance to hop on. |
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erlehmann |
definitelya, wait |
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definitelya |
*spontaneously |
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MinetestBot |
[git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest: Network: Delete copy constructor and use std::move instead (#11642) 57a59ae https://git.io/JMouf (2021-12-01T19:22:33Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] Wuzzy2 -> minetest/minetest: Improve error message if using "/help --" (#11796) 80c3c7e https://git.io/JMouJ (2021-12-01T19:22:46Z) |
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