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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Hey all in the IRC world, I started an unofficial minetest podcast, First ep is live: https://u.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=XZlpxAXZkSHGKsq6v30QaTLssWN8lLGWKPf7 repo is here: https://github.com/ExeVirus/nodecast |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> More releases coming every 1st and 3rd friday of the month (that's the plan), feel free to leave feedback wherever |
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erlehmann |
exe_virus cool, do you also cover drama and/or anarchy servers? |
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erlehmann |
exe_virus where is the feed? |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> rss feed? never used it |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> but I can learn |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> I will cover as wide a range as possible though |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> I want to capture all of minetest usage |
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erlehmann |
use atom feed |
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erlehmann |
atom is the successor of rss |
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erlehmann |
i can help you if you need tech support generating it |
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erlehmann |
i used to make a podcast |
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erlehmann |
see here for an example http://warumnicht.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/wn-8.html |
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erlehmann |
i hope it still works |
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erlehmann |
exe_virus look at if you want to know how a feed is structured http://warumnicht.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/feed.atom |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> thank you. gotta make dinner first, but I do want to learn |
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epoch |
you can get atom feeds out of github by putting .atom at the end of some URLs. |
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epoch |
but I figure they wouldn't be compatible with... podcast clients or whatever they're called |
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epoch |
https://github.com/ExeVirus/nodecast/commits/master.atom |
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erlehmann |
epoch those are feeds of commits, they are perfectly compatible. but for a podcast you need an <atom:enclosure> element |
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erlehmann |
which gh does not generate afaik |
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epoch |
"compatible, but not" |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> You could commit a podcast feed directly into the git repo and link to it by branch, but that seems like a really awkward process. And one I swear I have totally never done before. Honest. |
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erlehmann |
epoch compatible, but contains no audio files |
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erlehmann |
commits are not podcasts |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Those GH atom feeds are suitable for a news reader but a podcast client that's specifically trying to do podcasty things can't download and queue up audio based on it. |
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epoch |
I figure a good spot to put the atom feed for the podcasts would be in the repo so this path would work: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ExeVirus/nodecast/master/episodes/feed.atom |
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epoch |
and it could be generated at commit-time and link to the raw.githubusercontent versions of the mp3s |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I wouldn't say I 100% "recommend" the idea of rolling your own scripts to build atom/rss feeds from a metadata file, but I've used a process like that before and it's not actually as bad as it sounds, and if you're self-hosting and don't have some fancy package to do that for you, it's tolerable. |
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epoch |
I guess they're not putting the mp3s directly into the repo though |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> hosting the mp3's themselves directly from raw.githubcontent.com seems a bit shaky though ... like the kind of thing they're going to have some kind of limit on that will sneak up on you like 3 episodes in... |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> IIRC GH has repo size limits on free public repos, but I don't remember what they are. A podcast will probably not take very long to hit that though. |
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epoch |
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/38768454/repository-size-limits-for-github-com says 1GB and 5GB |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Sadly that cloud file host link takes you to a page where you can download the file, not directly to the file, so podcast clients are not gonna like that either. |
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erlehmann |
yes it is not a podcast |
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erlehmann |
unless you can automatically subscribe to it via a feed |
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erlehmann |
I 100% "recommend" the idea of not rolling your own scripts entirely, but using mostly stuff that others have written like Warr1024 and me. |
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epoch |
I 100% "recommend" rolling your own scripts entirely, but I'm very picky about my dog food. |
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epoch |
and I have more fun making dog food. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I basically roll my own scripts if I know my use-case is narrow enough that a cheap hack will suffice, and it's going to be cheaper than shopping for an existing tool. There's surprisingly a lot of work in just researching existing crap, and no guarantee that I'll end up with something that's more convenient to use than just hand-editing atom feed markup in mousepad. |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> hurm. Direct file hosting sites would be a later upgrade if there's enough traction |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> I know its anathema to use Google, but could you distribute on google podcasts? |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Try not to use google ... look for another provider ... "oh this one's a bit more expensive, but at least it's not google" ... everything's works fine for a while ... one day there's a massive GCP outage affecting multiple customers ... your podcast provider's network goes down at the same time ... ? |
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jonadab |
For something like a podcast, you'd want to distribute via as many different services as possible, I'd think. |
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jonadab |
Though you'd likely keep ones that cost money to a minimum if you aren't made out of rich. |
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erlehmann |
jonadab nah, you only need one subscribe url |
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erlehmann |
if it's any good, ppl will put that into whatever service they use to import it |
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celeron55 |
that's not how people work these days, everyone hangs to some proprietary platform of their choice and insists everyone posts there |
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celeron55 |
it's funny how everyone outright refuses to save data, even lists of urls, on their local machine |
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<Benrob0329> Thankfully raw file hosting is fairly easy and really cheap, a little server goes a long ways for static content |
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erlehmann |
celeron55 “everyone hangs to some proprietary platform of their choice and insists everyone posts there” – it's the saddest with chat platforms. they mostly push around short strings, and the smartest ppl behind almost everything but matrix and xmpp it put in a lot of effort into not delivering the strings to the competition :( |
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erlehmann |
signal is particularly sad lol |
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erlehmann |
moxie marlinspike is not only against decentralization, but also pushed some cryptocurrency on to signal users lol |
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erlehmann |
you know you get scammed when an app not for cryptocurrency purposes suddenly has its own shitcoin ^^ |
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