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| 00:19 |
Wuzzy |
My current highlight feature of 5.5.0: Scale mouse/joystick sensitivity depending on FOV (Elias Åström) (translation: If you zoom, your view moves more precisely) |
| 00:19 |
Wuzzy |
this is nice, sniper rifle mode activated ? |
| 00:21 |
Wuzzy |
Thank you, maintainers for doing the last-minute changes. I wasn't aware we were THAT close to release when I posed that basic_debug issue... |
| 00:21 |
Wuzzy |
I'm sorry for causing stress at literally the worst moment possible ? |
| 00:21 |
Wuzzy |
but hey! new release! yaaaaaay! congrats!! PARTY PARTY PARTY no more complaining only PARTY xd |
| 00:31 |
Mc |
congrats on the release :) |
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gargamel |
There's a minetest update for Android. |
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gargamel |
So far so good. |
| 01:01 |
gargamel |
I'm going to email the package maintainer for Fedora and see if they'll include the interactive terminal. |
| 02:00 |
rubenwardy |
est31: hi, where's the source code for building Minetest on launchpad found? |
| 02:00 |
rubenwardy |
the build script |
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erlehmann |
rubenwardy is there a possibility to get all minetest mods before a specific date from the contentdb API? |
| 02:23 |
rubenwardy |
define specific date |
| 02:23 |
rubenwardy |
creation? approval? first release? |
| 02:24 |
rubenwardy |
sort=created_at or sort=approved_at |
| 02:24 |
Pexin |
"last update" I suspect |
| 02:25 |
rubenwardy |
https://content.minetest.net/api/packages/?type=mod&sort=approved_at&order=desc |
| 02:25 |
rubenwardy |
if you look at package page, it'll tell you the timestamps |
| 02:25 |
rubenwardy |
https://content.minetest.net/api/packages/Winter94/wc_plumbum/ |
| 02:25 |
rubenwardy |
so if it's a recent date, you can manually find the first one |
| 02:26 |
rubenwardy |
if you need to automate it then you're mostly out of luck |
| 02:31 |
erlehmann |
rubenwardy last update actually |
| 02:31 |
erlehmann |
but yeah i wanted to automate it |
| 02:33 |
rubenwardy |
https://content.minetest.net/api/releases/ |
| 02:34 |
rubenwardy |
also https://content.minetest.net/api/packages/?type=mod&sort=last_release&order=desc |
| 02:34 |
rubenwardy |
former is better for keeping up with releases |
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erlehmann |
rubenwardy do you have any stats on how fast after a release mods are updated to be marked compatible btw? |
| 02:42 |
rubenwardy |
mods have a min and max range, a lot of mods don't put an upper bound |
| 02:42 |
rubenwardy |
so there's no way to track that |
| 02:43 |
erlehmann |
uh |
| 02:44 |
erlehmann |
rubenwardy if a mod used an API that changed since they got last released, shoudn't that automatically unmark them? |
| 02:44 |
erlehmann |
i mean changed in an incompatible way |
| 02:44 |
rubenwardy |
I don't track API usage |
| 02:44 |
erlehmann |
ofc |
| 02:45 |
erlehmann |
can i search mods by if they have an upper bound? |
| 02:47 |
rubenwardy |
the arguments are documented here: https://content.minetest.net/help/api/#package-queries |
| 02:47 |
rubenwardy |
You could look at mods that support 5.4, and mods that support 5.5, and see the difference |
| 02:48 |
rubenwardy |
https://content.minetest.net/api/packages/?type=mod&engine_version=5.4.0 and https://content.minetest.net/api/packages/?type=mod&engine_version=5.5.0 |
| 02:50 |
erlehmann |
rubenwardy, so these are the games that do not have an upper bound? https://content.minetest.net/api/packages/?type=game&engine_version=5.6.0 |
| 02:50 |
erlehmann |
^^ |
| 02:51 |
rubenwardy |
they may have an upper bound of 5.6-dev |
| 02:51 |
rubenwardy |
but that's unlikely |
| 02:51 |
erlehmann |
i deduce that by a) 5.6.0 not existing b) mineclone2 and mineclone5 having issues with 5.5 API change |
| 02:51 |
rubenwardy |
actually I think the UI blocks you from doing that |
| 02:51 |
rubenwardy |
5.6 exists in the ContentDB database as 5.6-dev |
| 02:51 |
erlehmann |
ok what's with this https://content.minetest.net/api/packages/?type=game&engine_version=90001 |
| 02:52 |
erlehmann |
is the field just ignored? |
| 02:52 |
rubenwardy |
if it can't find the version, then it's silently ignored |
| 02:52 |
erlehmann |
damn |
| 02:52 |
rubenwardy |
which is suboptimal I guess |
| 02:52 |
erlehmann |
it is indeed |
| 02:52 |
erlehmann |
why did you opt for that instead of not returning anything? |
| 02:53 |
rubenwardy |
\o/ |
| 02:53 |
rubenwardy |
oh, forks may give an invalid version |
| 02:53 |
rubenwardy |
for example, Multicraft will give 2.0.0 but there was never such a version |
| 02:53 |
rubenwardy |
Multicraft doesn't support ContentDB though, so not a problem in that case |
| 02:54 |
erlehmann |
well that's on them kinda |
| 02:54 |
erlehmann |
do you know if there is a csm db despite fleckensteins cheatdb? |
| 02:54 |
erlehmann |
https://github.com/dragonfireclient/cheatdb |
| 03:06 |
rubenwardy |
est31: nevermind, found it |
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est31 |
hi rubenwardy |
| 04:32 |
est31 |
yeah it is on launchpad |
| 04:33 |
rubenwardy |
It turns out that it's all done by a fancy Debian tool that calls cmake |
| 04:34 |
rubenwardy |
I just needed to edit the packaging and update the recipe |
| 04:34 |
rubenwardy |
We've moved to our own irrlicht fork |
| 04:55 |
est31 |
I see |
| 04:55 |
est31 |
everyone does eventually haha |
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erlehmann |
celeron55 i wanted to be nostalgic and could not reach http://celeron.55.lt/~celeron55/minetest/ browser says connection was reset |
| 06:42 |
erlehmann |
https://web.archive.org/web/20101230021034/http://celeron.55.lt/~celeron55/minetest |
| 06:44 |
erlehmann |
https://bitbucket.org/celeron55/minetest/ This repository has been deleted |
| 07:00 |
erlehmann |
https://bitbucket-archive.softwareheritage.org/projects/ce/celeron55/minetest.html |
| 07:00 |
erlehmann |
https://bitbucket-archive.softwareheritage.org/new-static/0f/0f624c2c-8182-442f-9d37-27617d6f9235/0f624c2c-8182-442f-9d37-27617d6f9235-repository.tar.gz |
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| 09:14 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> first impressions on 5.5 from CTF: "5.5.0 is very laggy" |
| 09:15 |
MTDiscord |
<Sublayer plank> uh oh |
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sfan5 |
windows? I was surprised to see how bad it is under wine, never had anything like that running native |
| 10:55 |
MTDiscord |
<savilli> second impressions on 5.5 from CTF: mine seems fine |
| 10:55 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> the second is a Linux guy though? |
| 10:55 |
MTDiscord |
<savilli> and the first? |
| 10:56 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> Just asked, but something tells me Win |
| 10:57 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> Yep, searching the history brings up Win screenshots |
| 11:00 |
MTDiscord |
<savilli> need more info anyways |
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MinetestBot |
[git] appgurueu -> minetest/minetest: Document moon orientation relative to sun 80812b8 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/80812b86d6097ae67ec61f99357497cbaaf43c80 (2022-01-31T12:36:39Z) |
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MTDiscord |
<savilli> my friends who use windows say they don't notice a difference between 5.4 and 5.5 |
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| 13:10 |
jonadab |
The Windows Phone series (eight, blue, ten, eleven) has such terrible handling of virtual memory and system-process scheduling, that the amount of lag it introduces *dwarfs* anything inherent in Minetest. |
| 13:10 |
rubenwardy |
Needless to say, we don't support Windows phone |
| 13:10 |
jonadab |
Especially on systems with not a ton of physical RAM. |
| 13:11 |
jonadab |
rubenwardy: That would be nice. But Microsoft won't sell Windows NT any more. |
| 13:12 |
rubenwardy |
luatic: are they sure it's not CTF that's laggy? |
| 13:15 |
MTDiscord |
<savilli> if CTF is more laggy on 5.5 than on 5.4, it's still a minetest fault |
| 13:15 |
MTDiscord |
<savilli> but i think it's not the case |
| 13:24 |
erlehmann |
> Especially on systems with not a ton of physical RAM. |
| 13:24 |
erlehmann |
what is a ton |
| 13:24 |
erlehmann |
i have 2GB RAM |
| 13:24 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> Does it weigh 1000kg xD? |
| 13:24 |
erlehmann |
no |
| 13:24 |
erlehmann |
damn i do not have a ton of ram |
| 13:24 |
erlehmann |
factually proven |
| 13:27 |
celeron55 |
system recommendation: 1m power cable, 100g of RAM, 50g CPU, 1kg monitor |
| 13:28 |
erlehmann |
luatic you and wsor told me that i should use a table here, but i guess you do not mean the replacement table for schematic placement and just a table for node replacement probabilities? https://git.minetest.land/Mineclonia/Mineclonia/pulls/204 |
| 13:28 |
erlehmann |
if you find the time to leave proper review there, pls do. |
| 13:29 |
celeron55 |
for best performance, install an extra bright power on indicator LED |
| 13:29 |
erlehmann |
bc i am still unsure |
| 13:29 |
erlehmann |
celeron55 also audio cables need to have gold plating |
| 13:29 |
erlehmann |
forget gold, MESE plating |
| 13:29 |
erlehmann |
while you are at it, bring back omsk bird! |
| 13:29 |
celeron55 |
minetest sounds suck? do you even have diamond insulated gold plated 16mm2 headphone cables |
| 13:30 |
erlehmann |
16mm³ |
| 13:30 |
erlehmann |
i am like one dimension ahead of you |
| 13:30 |
erlehmann |
duped enchanted mossy diamond insulated gold plated 16mm² headphone cables with durability IV |
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erlehmann |
overstacked, too |
| 13:48 |
rubenwardy |
4GB or less is low RAM imo |
| 13:49 |
rubenwardy |
I had 2GB of RAM in 2007/8 |
| 13:53 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> We're getting close to a point where 8GB will be considered "low", and it seems like it already is by a lot of Windows users. |
| 13:54 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Considering how badly MT leaks RAM, "low" might also depend on how long you want to be able to keep it running continuously. |
| 13:56 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Speaking of memory leaks, (1) how to I find out what known memory leaks exist that I should try to work around as a gamedev, since I assume if they were easy to fix they'd have already been, and (2) is there a way to find out what is actually occupying memory so I can see what's probably leaking? |
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definitelya |
What's better for PVP: an 8 gig RAM stick or two 4 gig ones? |
| 14:11 |
definitelya |
Dual wielding is better, duh. |
| 14:13 |
Ingar |
if your hardware supports dual-channel, a single stick is mostly retarded |
| 14:18 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Obviously go with the single 8G stick. Makes it less awkward when you inevitably find you need to buy a second one. |
| 14:18 |
rubenwardy |
agreed |
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definitelya |
You both have a point ahah. |
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erlehmann |
Warr1024 you activate lsan and wait until the application quits, then it shows you all the leaks |
| 14:43 |
erlehmann |
Warr1024 https://mister-muffin.de/p/5VxU.c |
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erlehmann |
; cat test.c |
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erlehmann |
#include <stdlib.h> |
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erlehmann |
int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { char *p = malloc(sizeof(char)); *p = 'x'; } |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Speaking of memory leaks, I would've loved it if #11929 had gotten into 5.5-dev - why are memory leaks considered such low-priority? |
| 14:43 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/11929 -- Fix zlib (de)compressor memory leaks by savilli |
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erlehmann |
you can instrument and run this using: gcc '-fsanitize=address' test.c && ./a.out |
| 14:44 |
erlehmann |
it will show you that this program has a memory leak of 1 byte |
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erlehmann |
oh better compile with -g |
| 14:45 |
erlehmann |
then you get line numbers |
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erlehmann |
Direct leak of 1 byte(s) in 1 object(s) allocated from: |
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erlehmann |
#0 0xb79d14bb in __interceptor_malloc ../../../../src/libsanitizer/asan/asan_malloc_linux.cpp:145 |
| 14:45 |
erlehmann |
#1 0x4321f0 in main /tmp/test.c:2 |
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erlehmann |
#2 0xb775ae45 in __libc_start_main (/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6+0x1ee45) |
| 14:45 |
ShadowBot |
erlehmann: Error: That URL raised <HTTP Error 404: Not Found> |
| 14:45 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1 -- GlowStone code by anonymousAwesome |
| 14:45 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2 -- Burned wood |
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erlehmann |
thanks for nothing ShadowBot |
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erlehmann |
Warr1024 does this help you? |
| 14:46 |
erlehmann |
https://clang.llvm.org/docs/LeakSanitizer.html |
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rubenwardy |
Luatic: a work around for the zlib memory leak was in 5.5 |
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rubenwardy |
I wasn't aware of that actual fix though, not sure why that wasn't worked on |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Huh? I must've missed the workaround, where is it? |
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MTDiscord |
<savilli> no, it wasn't, ruben confused with zstd |
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rubenwardy |
Ohh |
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sfan5 |
@luatic the leak happens if compression errors out, which approximately never happens |
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MTDiscord |
<savilli> unless a malicious client wants to dos your server ? |
| 15:18 |
sfan5 |
I think there's actually no payload that the server decompresses, so Minetest is protected in that regard |
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sfan5 |
(if you uncompress arbitrary user input without limits you already have a vulnerability) |
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MTDiscord |
<savilli> yeah probably |
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ilomiglio |
hi, is there a cmd to add a node into the player's inventory? |
| 15:36 |
rubenwardy |
At some point this last month was my 10 year anniversary of finding/joining Minetest |
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rubenwardy |
ilomiglio: /giveme or /give |
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rubenwardy |
/giveme default:mese 99 /give ilomiglio default:mese 99 |
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ilomiglio |
sorry for the miseunderstanding, i meant by a mod |
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rubenwardy |
!book inv |
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MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: ItemStacks and Inventories - https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book//en/items/inventories.html |
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rubenwardy |
It's the "main" list in a player's inventory |
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ilomiglio |
rubenwardy: thank you |
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debiankaios |
somebody here? |
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rubenwardy |
yes |
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debiankaios |
hi rubenwardy |
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debiankaios |
i changed my mail-adress and wanted to have a wiki account |
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debiankaios |
my forum post got deleted |
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debiankaios |
but i got no mail |
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definitelya |
!tell erlehmann Reading issue 203 in Mineclonia, I think it was actually mcimport (a mod by sofar) that converted Minecr#ft fire to eternal_fire for my map, not worldedit. Sorry about that |
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MinetestBot |
definitelya: I'll pass that on when erlehmann is around |
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MinetestBot |
erlehmann: Jan-31 17:08 UTC <definitelya> Reading issue 203 in Mineclonia, I think it was actually mcimport (a mod by sofar) that converted Minecr#ft fire to eternal_fire for my map, not worldedit. Sorry about that |
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erlehmann |
definitelya i can actually place eternal fire with worldedit just fine. just not with the schematic placement function in mineclonia. |
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erlehmann |
it's super weird |
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erlehmann |
schemedit can also place it |
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definitelya |
I see |
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sofar |
mcimport is not a mod |
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kilbith |
I'm currently in Stockholm if there's any Swedish minetesters who want to meet me around a coffee (?) |
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definitelya |
Ah true! |
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[git] appgurueu -> minetest/minetest: Fix: Render statbar off half-icons 87c4a81 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/87c4a8152186f1c221d185f8f60049bf6435e0e1 (2022-01-31T21:29:33Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] appgurueu -> minetest/minetest: Default statbars: Correctly show smaller max props 251dd99 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/251dd99291dad4ee3089da27d41fcc908ea4224e (2022-01-31T21:29:33Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] appgurueu -> minetest/minetest: Scale to HUD element max instead of default max f68dd10 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/f68dd10193736c0c0e67741a6f6a4b4f438d72b9 (2022-01-31T21:29:33Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] appgurueu -> minetest/minetest: Fix double bubbles 4ac54a5 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/4ac54a557976e8c4662e46a7138b5cf43c5f2b0d (2022-01-31T21:29:33Z) |
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HuguesRoss |
...forgot to squash those |
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sfan5 |
could still be a fixed by a force-push |
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HuguesRoss |
I'll do it real quick, I'll verify with my fork first just to be safe |
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HuguesRoss |
Done |
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sfan5 |
looks good |
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MinetestBot |
[git] appgurueu -> minetest/minetest: Fix builtin statbar backgrounds 1e4d667 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/1e4d6672be35e075de6add3d4d4e97793a911efc (2022-01-31T21:35:30Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] rubenwardy -> minetest/minetest: Revert "Disable dynamic shadows for the 5.5.0 release" (#12032) c61998b https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/c61998bd2000427b96fc506edffa9fa4e27a1a9b (2022-01-31T21:48:14Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Fix macOS compile instructions 163d354 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/163d3547e65a6cea8a3e555557407e88d8e09183 (2022-01-31T21:48:29Z) |
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