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deept |
hi, so i just started a server on ubuntu 22, minetest v 5.4.1. I think i have configured my minetest.conf correctly to announce to the master server, but it still isnt listed |
| 01:14 |
deept |
https://pastebin.com/raw/p0Kuc9P7 |
| 01:14 |
deept |
my conf file ^ |
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fluxionary |
what is the ontological distinction between the `core` namespace vs. the `minetest` namespace. i'm guessing it was originally called `core`, and that stuck around to keep backwards compatibility, but i personally avoid it like the plague outside of updates to the engine codebase. but i certainly see mods that still use it, and players who still talk about it as if that's how you should modify things |
| 02:01 |
fluxionary |
(in the lua API, if that wasn't obvious) |
| 02:03 |
fluxionary |
i guess what i want, is some sort of guidance as to whether to tell people "use core not minetest" or "you just have to know that those two names are synonyms w/ equal status" |
| 02:03 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> guess is wrong iirc |
| 02:03 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> its due to forks, wanting to have there own namespace and what not |
| 02:03 |
fluxionary |
jonathon: so... use "core" if you're designing a mod you want to be compatible w/ other forks of the game? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> what i know for sure is that everything is written as core.xyz and then in builtin there is minetest=core |
| 02:04 |
fluxionary |
so far as i remember, multicraft recognized the "minetest" namespace, is there another example? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> iirc it was freeminer that orignally started it |
| 02:04 |
fluxionary |
ah ok, never messed w/ that |
| 02:05 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> and if you mean s/game/engine, then ?. its politics as to which one you should use, but ultimately it doesnt really mater |
| 02:05 |
fluxionary |
but writing code for a fork of the engine seems like... it's not going to work a lot of the time anyway |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> worst case you just do minetest=xyz if its changed |
| 02:05 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> you have it backwards |
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fluxionary |
hm? |
| 02:06 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> its not for mods writing for engine forks, its for engine forks to be able to easily set there own namespace |
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deept |
anyone familiar with server hosting? |
| 02:06 |
fluxionary |
Jonathon: but they could just create their own namespace w/out having to use "core" either |
| 02:06 |
fluxionary |
deept: i don't run a minetest server, but i use a service called "dreamhost" that i've been happy w/ for a few decades |
| 02:07 |
deept |
ya my issue is minetest server related, i have the hosting issue figured. i guess i misspoke |
| 02:07 |
deept |
i cannot get my server to be listed in on servers.minetest |
| 02:07 |
deept |
idk why |
| 02:07 |
fluxionary |
you've looked in the logs for clues? you understand the proper settings to get listed? |
| 02:08 |
fluxionary |
also, the list server has to be able to connect to your server in order to verify it exists and get stats |
| 02:08 |
deept |
logs, now thats something i need to do still |
| 02:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> you can see https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1716#issuecomment-57920803 for example that some core devs claim you shouldnt use core, will others are indifferent |
| 02:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> in reality, its just spliting hairs what you use |
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fluxionary |
yeah, i kinda though "some have one position, some have another" would be the state of affairs |
| 02:09 |
deept |
the box isn't behind NAT or anything, no FW probs, im able to connect via IP... do i need a domain to have it be listed? or is just an IP sufficent |
| 02:09 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> core does let you get more characters in default luacheck limit, but you also can just do local mt=minetest/core |
| 02:10 |
fluxionary |
Jonathon: i'm not actually sure how the list server talks to the server, possibly the issue is w/ firewall vs. a separate port, or w/ an icmp (or udp?) ping |
| 02:10 |
fluxionary |
deept, is it a public server? you could post the IP/port here and i could try to connect |
| 02:10 |
fluxionary |
jonathon: that's about the worst reason i've heard =D |
| 02:10 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> use !up |
| 02:11 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> or whatever the command is |
| 02:11 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> to see if it can be connected to from outside |
| 02:11 |
MTDiscord |
Command sent from Discord by wsor: |
| 02:11 |
MTDiscord |
!up yolo.net:30000 |
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MinetestBot |
yolo.net:30000 seems to be down (IPv4) |
| 02:11 |
fluxionary |
!up your-land.de:30000 |
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MinetestBot |
your-land.de:30000 is up (13ms) (IPv6) |
| 02:11 |
deept |
i can connect from the outside, its 104.225.220.137:3000 though |
| 02:11 |
deept |
its just not showing up on servers.minetest.net |
| 02:11 |
fluxionary |
!up 104.225.220.137:3000 |
| 02:11 |
MTDiscord |
Command sent from Discord by wsor: |
| 02:11 |
MinetestBot |
104.225.220.137:3000 seems to be down |
| 02:11 |
MTDiscord |
!up 104.225.220.137:3000 |
| 02:11 |
MinetestBot |
104.225.220.137:3000 seems to be down |
| 02:12 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> ill say that your statement is incorrect |
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fluxionary |
deept: seems that the general internet can't connect |
| 02:12 |
fluxionary |
deept, now, you need to figure out why *you* can connect, but other people cannot |
| 02:12 |
deept |
but another player in a diff state can connect too |
| 02:12 |
deept |
so, why can he and not yall? |
| 02:13 |
fluxionary |
deept: networks are not simple things |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> are you on a vpn, or something? |
| 02:13 |
deept |
i understand that. nobody is using a vpn, we are both connecting from our respective home connections |
| 02:13 |
fluxionary |
deept: i'll run a portscan against you, assuming you don't have anything set up to prevent that |
| 02:13 |
deept |
to the VPS where the server is located |
| 02:13 |
deept |
nope the security of the vps is minimal currently |
| 02:14 |
deept |
oh crud |
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deept |
typo |
| 02:14 |
deept |
port 30000 |
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deept |
sorry |
| 02:14 |
MTDiscord |
Command sent from Discord by wsor: |
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MTDiscord |
!up 104.225.220.137:30000 |
| 02:14 |
MinetestBot |
104.225.220.137:30000 is up (139ms) |
| 02:14 |
fluxionary |
!up 104.225.220.137:30000 |
| 02:14 |
MinetestBot |
104.225.220.137:30000 is up (146ms) |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> whats your config like? |
| 02:15 |
deept |
https://pastebin.com/raw/p0Kuc9P7 |
| 02:15 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> why are you posting example.minetest.conf? |
| 02:15 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> if you edited that somewhere, i dont want to find it |
| 02:15 |
deept |
lol |
| 02:16 |
deept |
yea thats the case, and cause i am unfamiliar with the conf file until today |
| 02:16 |
deept |
babby's first minetest server :P |
| 02:16 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> please, make a blank minetest.conf, put your settings in that, test it, and then paste that here |
| 02:17 |
fluxionary |
i suppose, default settings are default |
| 02:17 |
fluxionary |
it's hard to grok what was changed if your conf file is mostly default settings |
| 02:17 |
deept |
ya lemme see if i can strip out the comments |
| 02:17 |
fluxionary |
(then again, `diff` exists) |
| 02:17 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> im aware, but its also dumb to have all those comments |
| 02:18 |
fluxionary |
yeah, i'm not making diff work for me either |
| 02:18 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> flux: all that is commented out be default in that file |
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deept |
just give me a moment im stripping the commented lines |
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* deept |
dusts off sed knowledge |
| 02:22 |
deept |
https://pastebin.com/raw/2Gq0msAj |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> for anyone elses reading the logs, etc on the namespace thing, i recalled correctly. see https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1258 |
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deept |
there is that better :P |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> server_address = game.minetest.net this is false |
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deept |
should that be my ip address since no url? |
| 02:24 |
deept |
or just removed |
| 02:24 |
fluxionary |
it can be a domain address |
| 02:24 |
fluxionary |
or an IP address |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> your going to want to sent bind_address |
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fluxionary |
either of which point to your server |
| 02:25 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> bind_address = 104.225.220.137 |
| 02:25 |
fluxionary |
if you have a domain, you can use that instead |
| 02:25 |
fluxionary |
it's better to use DNS, so you can allow both ipv4 and ipv6 users access |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> you should however remove server_url and server_address since both of those are incorrect. shouldnt affect joining |
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fluxionary |
and also, in case you move hosts |
| 02:25 |
fluxionary |
gotta afk, i'll be back in a few |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> also, are you getting anything in the logs about not able to connect to serverlist? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> usually it will say something |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> *logs/terminal |
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deept |
if i run from terminal it says annoncing to serverlist (not verbatim) |
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deept |
no error |
| 02:29 |
deept |
correcting the things discussed above now, ty all |
| 02:32 |
deept |
ok now to see if it wants to work :P |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> also maybe port = 30000 |
| 02:34 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> not sure, always can ask sfan5 when they are awake and around later |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> (they run the serverlist) |
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fluxionary |
deept: not sure if it matters, do you have any non-ascii stuff in `server_name` or `server_description` or such? |
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deept |
nope |
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fluxionary |
what's the name of the server? are you sure other people can't see it? |
| 02:41 |
deept |
well now i have other issues im diagnosing :| |
| 02:41 |
fluxionary |
k |
| 02:49 |
deept |
man, if i could stop typoing things would work out much nicer |
| 02:50 |
deept |
ok, so its back online, idk how frequently the list updates. "B & N's Techage Server" to answer your question fluxionary |
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deept |
ITS THERE! |
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deept |
TY ALL |
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deept |
now, to fix my horrible lag lolol |
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deept |
when creating a new world, does the world generate fully initially? |
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deept |
or does it generate as its explored |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> As it's explored |
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deept |
im guessing biome_lib might be the source of my lag issues then |
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deept |
server runs fine unless i fly with fast mode into a new area, then it lags out for a bit, htop shows 100% cpu on some of the cores for a while |
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deept |
then it settles down |
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deept |
i noticed biome_lib hangs shutdown even on a local game |
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deept |
and slows down boot of the server.... |
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deept |
lemme try setting it to false in worlds.mt |
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deept |
ya that was killing it |
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Ahhh good old irc |
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appguru: Sep-21 19:59 UTC <jwmhjwmh> You're welcome. |
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more extreme settings: |
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the stone shines as bright as the torch |
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well, yes. I set the bloom very high |
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