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erle |
celeron55 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ColorForth |
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erle |
> colorForth was originally developed as the scripting language for Moore's own VLSI CAD program OKAD,[2] with which he develops custom Forth processors. As the language gained utility, he rewrote his CAD program in it |
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erle |
> he language comes with its own tiny (63K) operating system. Practically everything is stored as source code and compiled when needed |
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celeron55 |
anyway, basically everything in modern computing is just "new takes on C" |
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erle |
> Coloring in colorForth has semantic meaning. Red words start a definition and green words are compiled into the current definition. |
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erle |
celeron55, that is not entirely true |
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celeron55 |
lisp of course is surprisingly strong and different |
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celeron55 |
also similarly every OS is a "new take on unix" |
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celeron55 |
it goes hand in hand |
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erle |
programming languages like forth, jq or postscript are entirely unlike C? |
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celeron55 |
not sure. you might find artefacts of the c standard library in them, or of how C data types work. but of course the smaller and more focused the project, the more C it can shed off if it wants to |
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erle |
C is for example impure (pure languages exist) and compiled (interpreted languages exist) |
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celeron55 |
nothing prevents you from implementing interpreted C, and many languages are like that, syntactically and for parts of their standard library |
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erle |
C is also not declarative, not interactive, not garbage collected, and not list-based. |
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erle |
yeah, but declarative C is impossibruh? |
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celeron55 |
C is the role model. you have to try really hard to get rid of each and all of the characteristics |
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erle |
i would say C is more like the incumbent |
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rubenwardy |
some computers are designed for Java and JS, like Android phones. ARM includes extensions for making Java faster |
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erle |
smart cards also run java programs i think? |
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sfan5 |
that java extension is legacy stuff btw |
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sfan5 |
not in any recent chips IIRC |
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celeron55 |
then when you get to interpreted languages, you end up doing just-in-time compiling... onto processors that were designed with C compilers in mind, and have to kind of convert your language into pieces that more resemble C than your language |
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erle |
what is the goal here, to say that C is universal glue code? |
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celeron55 |
you have to design your language syntax to be easily typeable on keyboards on which C was designed, so it will kind of look the same if you make it ergonomic |
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celeron55 |
i have no goal |
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erle |
sad APL noises |
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[git] corpserot -> minetest/minetest: lua_api_deploy: fix code blocks parsing (#13847) 5a56972 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/5a5697273b9a1173c74b420e8e983e484980f259 (2023-10-03T18:34:24Z) |
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[git] Desour -> minetest/minetest: MapblockMeshGenerator: Use more verbose member names (#13244) 8db4381 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/8db438130400694c26db87b5149ced2872cb112c (2023-10-03T22:28:43Z) |
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