| Time |
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| 00:32 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> anyone have an idea why this short code would break the notices? html <video style="width:100%; height: auto;" controls> ย ย <source src='{{ .Get "src" }}' type='{{ .Get "type" }}'> ย ย There should have been a video here but your browser does not seem to support it. </video> |
| 00:43 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> fixed |
| 00:43 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> merging https://github.com/luanti-org/dev.luanti.org/pull/185 on the hour |
| 01:57 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> Thanks, will start on changes in an hour or so. As for automated link updates, I think it's more trouble than it's worth right now, wanna focus on getting this categorization done asap as it'll make the site look a LOT more usable |
| 02:24 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> Any thoughts on moving the repo to Codeberg? Discussion continues at https://forum.luanti.org/viewtopic.php?t=31323&start=25, c55 expressed support for docs moving even without the rest of our repos. Maybe we can lead the way? I'm happy to start this after we finish categorization and spell-checking, not sure we have anything else urgent and it'd be fun research |
| 02:32 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> Updated https://github.com/luanti-org/dev.luanti.org/pull/184 (Move various files into for-players, updating links as well), opened https://github.com/luanti-org/dev.luanti.org/issues/186 (Categorize pages, part 2: split articles) |
| 02:36 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> dont feed the trolls |
| 02:43 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> But... Codeberg is good? |
| 02:44 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> I may be new to this community, but I am, like, an adult. I'm familiar with trolls, I promise |
| 02:46 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> there is https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/12324 for the org level to decide |
| 02:48 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> Well that's on the core repo, I don't think it's clear that that's an "org-level" issue to most readers |
| 02:48 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> In any case, what are your thoughts on moving just this repo as a bit of a test? |
| 02:48 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> bo |
| 02:48 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> Um, no to what? |
| 02:48 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> thats my thoughts |
| 02:49 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> that's not very helpful. |
| 02:49 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> can we communicate in good faith, please? |
| 02:49 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> let the org decide what it wants to do, we have enough to do with content as it is now |
| 02:50 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> who is "the org"?? are we not decision makers? Would they magically stop us if we tried to move to Codeberg? I'm confused |
| 02:51 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> and github is fine, its not hostile glances at gitlab, and despite what people scream about microsoft, it aint bad. sure it isnt great that github isnt open source, but im fairly sure that even certain people who are die hard foss zealots dont use all open source stuff |
| 02:51 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> luanti core devs/staff/etc |
| 02:52 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> Hmm, if only we had a team page clarifying how all this works ๐ |
| 02:53 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> yeah, GH is fine, but a good number of people clearly want codeberg/something else by the endless discussion on https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/12324. It does seem weird to host code to an open-source game on a closed-source platform, as popular as that platform may be |
| 02:54 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> i mean, the large majority of open source projects are on github |
| 02:55 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> Yeah, and that seems kinda weird the more I think about it |
| 02:57 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> network effect, good platform, etc |
| 03:01 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> Oh yeah, I know why they use it. Honestly I still don't daily-drive any Linux distro because they've all been sorely disappointing even after a week of research and configuration. "Skill issue" some say, but I say you shouldn't need skills to configure a system... anyway, the point is I use the best software for the job, but sometimes I make compromises if open-source is good enough. And I don't think we can know that until we try, |
| 03:01 |
MTDiscord |
honestly, or at least do significant good-faith research. ย That said, I do recognize that moving will be significantly difficult and there will be lots of little things to look out for. It's high effort for relatively low reward compared to, say, fixing the 1,000+ typos, organizing the site, adding more articles, etc. But it's something to consider, so I wanted to bring it up |
| 03:02 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> its already been brought up, your just rehashing it again tbh |
| 03:04 |
MTDiscord |
<greenxenith> > And I don't think we can know that until we try, honestly, or at least do significant good-faith research. wsor's point is that it's an organization-level responsibility to do that research. Fragmenting our project is not good. We are already trailing codeberg with lighter low-influence sections of the project, and if its found to be adequate, I would hope repos move in bulk. But that is not something to do right now, especially |
| 03:04 |
MTDiscord |
for a project that hasn't even completed its initial milestones. |
| 03:04 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> fair enough to both, happy to drop it, just wanted to get some initial thoughts ๐ |
| 03:05 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> yeah, i more worried about the flames you rekindled over on the forum thread tbh |
| 03:05 |
MTDiscord |
<greenxenith> It's not worth being concerned about either way. |
| 03:06 |
MTDiscord |
<greenxenith> Zealots gonna zealot. |
| 03:08 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> on the more organizational view, before a move is decided, its probably better to do a mirror first if go ahead is decided. but then again, glances at gitlab |
| 03:08 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> anyways, make any progress with your lfs testing mark? |
| 03:12 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> LFS? Yeah current status is "LFS bad" lol. The problem is that any contributor would need to host their files somewhere before opening a PR, and then we'd have to somehow review them and then integrate them into our LFS instance. And it's a TON of configuration. So no, let's not use LFS. If folks want to add a link to an external video, they can open a PR that does that. If we see the video and think it'd be best hosted in |
| 03:12 |
MTDiscord |
samsinventory, we can work with the contributor. Seems like the most natural flow anyway ๐ ย You'll notice I didn't even create an issue for "use LFS to host files" because I became hesitant pretty quickly about whether it was a good idea |
| 03:13 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> If engaging with the community in good faith is worrying, I don't know how well we're going to get along :/ yeah, I'm new, and probably naive, but I don't ever want folks to feel ignored, even if they've been saying the same thing to others for 3+ years (according to the GH issue). If there is some ย "docs team policy" on whether or not to "make statements on behalf of the docs team on the forum" I'm all ears, but my comments are |
| 03:13 |
MTDiscord |
always my own. |
| 03:15 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> https://discord.com/channels/369122544273588224/926231483155378176/1339070210103054398 dont need to poor fuel on the fire |
| 03:17 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> I don't think that's a fair description of what I'm doing. I'm talking to people. They're people. |
| 03:17 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> your entitled to our own opinion |
| 03:18 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> anyways, back to file stuff, going to take a poke around this weekend and see if there are any simple file web guis, or whatever you want to call it that might meet our needs |
| 03:19 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> To allow others to upload large files? |
| 03:19 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> otherwise might take a page from lmds book and write my owns for kicks |
| 03:19 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> -docs members |
| 03:19 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> does this mean "to allow only docs members to upload large files"? If so, why not use Discord? |
| 03:20 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> ah there is a file size on Discord, duh |
| 03:20 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> .....da heck? |
| 03:20 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> ? |
| 03:21 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> such a left field to suggest hosting files for the project on discord of all things, let alone after your just on the open source all the things thread |
| 03:21 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> no not hosting |
| 03:21 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> I meant like you have docs folks upload files to Discord and then you copy them to your server |
| 03:21 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> but I guess your goal is to allow folks to upload directly to the server, only challenge is validating that files, but I guess you'll trust those who have access to the upload thing? makes sense |
| 03:22 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> sure, they can send them to me however they wan |
| 03:22 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> yeah |
| 03:23 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> at least let me frame it as current active -docs members. (so luatic, roller, me, you, green) |
| 03:24 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> at least initially just want password protected login + file upload page + zip output of uploaded pages for anyone to backup |
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| 13:31 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> tbh it's no bed of roses either :juanchi_face: |
| 13:31 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/926231483155378176/1339227280131625020/SPOILER_Screenshot_from_2025-02-12_14-30-44.png?ex=67adf419&is=67aca299&hm=c194bbfb5b87fc0bf773dc3844475d78835a99142ad836a2168dc1de65e0245a& |
| 13:40 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> mf did an everyone ping in codeberg |
| 13:47 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> Haha I'm sure Codeberg has some pretty significant flaws. What I meant there was more "I'm not feeding the trolls, I'm looking into a maybe-viable open-source alternative to our current toolset", just didn't have the energy at the moment ๐ |
| 13:47 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> Merging https://github.com/luanti-org/dev.luanti.org/pull/184#issue-comment-box, move items to for-players, in ~15 minutes |
| 13:48 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> as far as i'm concerned, that issue primarily concerns the engine repo indeed |
| 13:48 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> fwiw i wouldn't have a problem with luanti docs moving to codeberg, but i get that we might not want the fragmentation yet |
| 13:52 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> it doesn't seem all that weird to me tbh. i frankly find the foss zealotry of "everything must be FOSS" weirder. hosting is naturally sort of at the intersection between "has to cost money" and "can be free (software)". |
| 13:53 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> That's fair, again I'm still relatively new to foss zealotry so I'm thinking about it a lot and refining my opinions day-by-day. You'll see I still don't daily-drive linux because foss is good but working software is gooder :/ |
| 13:54 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> in all fairness, didn't you try the edgier linux distros? something like fedora or ubuntu should work out of the box :p |
| 13:59 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> I used Linux Mint and struggled for a while to get clipboard history working |
| 14:00 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> The fact that I need to know about window managers vs desktop environments just to configure a keyboard shortcut is absolutely wild to me. The idea that grandmas will ever use Linux is crazy given the current state of things. I know there is a famous grandma linux user but something tells me she's an exception |
| 14:09 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> Merged #184, looking forward to updating for-creators tonight or tmrw ๐ |
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