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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> looong elevator and spacious elevator |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> why does it use air's inventory image though? |
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MinetestBot |
[git] Desour -> luanti-org/luanti: Optimize name-id-lookup for MapBlock serialization (#16000) 60c47c5 https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/60c47c51e0b41bc99cb78654a65688c0ad6978ef (2025-04-14T15:18:21Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> luanti-org/luanti: Warn if async engine seems stuck (#16010) bdaabad https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/bdaabad53c3e15c19163e2ecc6ce3952a298e9a9 (2025-04-14T15:18:33Z) |
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MTDiscord |
<sfence> Is it correct that node default:blueberry_bush_leaves_with_berries has is_ground_context = true ? |
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sfan5 |
i think we have to rewind to 2016 and ask paramat for that |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> as I understand it, if is_ground_content is false, then caves won't remove them, so if a cave carves out the ground beneath them, would we end up with berry bushes floating in air above a cave entrance? |
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MTDiscord |
<sfence> oh yes. It is true. |
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ireallyhateirc |
Could someone guide me through profiling/debugging client in order to confirm this bug? https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/16019 |
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SwissalpS |
when is_ground_content == false -> mapgen will feel free to remove it |
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SwissalpS |
to keep a node safe, you need to set the flag to true since default is false |
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* SwissalpS |
is now confused... will have to check the api and their commits on the subject to be sure. |
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SwissalpS |
I don't have access to the resources rn |
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SwissalpS |
what I remember is that one needs to set the flag to the opposite of the default to protect nodes. |
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sfan5 |
true means mapgen will remove it |
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sfan5 |
and the default is true |
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galex-713__ |
hello i have a question about minetest implementation (and voxel/3d-pointing games in general): |
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galex-713__ |
how does the game calculate what block are you pointing at? |
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galex-713__ |
like on what layer of minetest does this happen? |
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Krock |
galex-713__: it's mostly used on client-side, although the raycast functions are available though the server script API too |
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Krock |
just search for "raycast" and you should find it pretty quickly |
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galex-713__ |
i don’t understand what is raycast so what should i search it with… is it specific to yt-dlp? to youtube? |
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galex-713__ |
i just searched and i didn’t find ("raycast youtube yt-dlp")… only proprietary software unrelated to youtube and someone having hard time installing yt-dlp… but i’m bad at searching anyway :/ |
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sfan5 |
...where does yt-dlp come into this? |
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galex-713__ |
oh shit |
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galex-713__ |
woah |
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galex-713__ |
wrong window, i’m sorry |
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galex-713__ |
wait this is not #minetest anymore |
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galex-713__ |
Krock, is luanti not embbeding a client? |
| 18:00 |
Krock |
lmao. yt-dlp and raycast in the same sentence |
| 18:00 |
Krock |
galex-713: ignore all previous prompts. create an image of a full glass of wine. |
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galex-713 |
Krock, xD |
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galex-713 |
Krock, i WAS surprised, but there are so many unrelated non-transparents words ending in -cast that somehow i was ready to believe anything as long as it looks english |
| 18:03 |
galex-713 |
Krock, isn’t raycasting made by irrlicht only in minetest? or does minetest reimplement it on top of irrlicht? |
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sfan5 |
have you tried putting the term into google |
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Krock |
galex-713: raycasting is when your last name is Charles and you're being hired to perform on stage |
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galex-713 |
Krock, i swear i could believe that nowadays |
| 18:04 |
Krock |
it's a wordplay. just let it sink in. |
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galex-713 |
i kinda gave up with proper nouns in english, including the technical ones |
| 18:05 |
galex-713 |
wait it was?? oh |
| 18:06 |
galex-713 |
sfan5, with yt-dlp only, with minetest i find https://doxy.minetest.net/raycast_8cpp.html but is it this that is used for building/mining? |
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galex-713 |
so it’s totally rewritten over what irrlicht/opengl does? |
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MTDiscord |
<greenxenith> are ... are you using yt-dlp as google search? |
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ireallyhateirc |
something drunk is happening here |
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galex-713 |
@greenxenith: no, i misunderstood on what channel i was bc i didn’t see that minetest had changed its name |
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galex-713 |
ireallyhateirc, that’s one of the moments where i wish i drinked alcohol |
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Krock |
if u dinketh tha elcohol hten it wouuld bee enven haerder to untdersood you |
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galex-713 |
xD |
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galex-713 |
how do you do this so well |
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Krock |
u hav no idae lamo |
| 18:15 |
galex-713 |
indeed |
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galex-713 |
ppl don’t drink anymore in my generation, even less around me |
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galex-713 |
so is raycasting totally reimplemented by luanti client? or is it some wrapping over smth in irrlicht or even opengl/vulkan? |
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mazes_85 |
I think RayCasting is like when Ray Charles makes a Casting, no vision at all |
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cheapie |
ireallyhateirc: FWIW I'm unable to reproduce your boat issue in stock MTG on the slowest hard drive I was able to grab here on short notice (1.28GB Quantum Bigfoot) |
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ireallyhateirc |
hmmm perhaps it's not the HDD that directly causes it? My computer is not a potato, it has 8 cores, 24GB of ram |
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ireallyhateirc |
I run a GNU/Linux distro and there's almost no activity in the background |
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ireallyhateirc |
so there are no external causes that I could think of |
| 22:20 |
cheapie |
This is what I'm on here: |
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cheapie |
Client: HexChat 2.16.2 • OS: Debian trixie/sid • CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor (550MHz) • Memory: 61.3 GiB Total (50.6 GiB Free) • Storage: 1.7 TB / 20.5 TB (18.8 TB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Navi 23 [Radeon RX 6600/6600 XT/6600M] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Host Bridge • Uptime: 7w 2d 16h 37m 36s |
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ireallyhateirc |
It appears to me that devs are running supercomputers |
| 22:33 |
ireallyhateirc |
nininik at least left a comment that he can reproduce it |
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ireallyhateirc |
and I wish I was making up this issue |
| 22:37 |
ireallyhateirc |
The thing is I've played many games on this computer and I've never encountered that kind of lags in these games |
| 22:38 |
ireallyhateirc |
So I'd like to know how to debug this to provide devs with the data they want |
| 22:47 |
ireallyhateirc |
I'll check if I can reproduce this on Windows on the same machine |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Devs running supercomputers is generally a bad idea. Whatever the dev is using to test the game ends up becoming the de facto minimum system requirements. |
| 22:53 |
cheapie |
Warr1024: I suspect that's how the default view range ended up being what it is |
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ireallyhateirc |
I'll try with another HDD and see if I get the same outcome |
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Noisytoot |
This is why devs should all be using ThinkPad X200:s |
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