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cheapie |
Don't tell SFDOT I blew up the engine in one of their service trucks: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/2025-04-17%2019-43-04.webm |
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tzenfore |
Ugh, my memory is starting to fail me |
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tzenfore |
What is the timeout conf line that is supposed to make a server run better? |
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tzenfore |
minetest.conf line with the word timeout in it * |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> So Sfan 5 was the one who did it |
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sfan5 |
tzenfore: i don't think such a magic setting exists |
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sfan5 |
I can recommend sqlite_synchronous = 1 however |
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Guest68 |
Greetings! I'm new to Luanti/Minetest and I have a hard time to find good/suitable games and mods. I come with a Minecraft experience (I guess many do) but want to give Luanti a go. Can you please give me a suggestion on what game to start with? I'm looking for open survival, with support for sprinting =). |
| 07:46 |
whosit |
you can try out public survival servers and see what mods they use... |
| 07:46 |
sfan5 |
the two obvious choices: https://content.luanti.org/packages/Wuzzy/mineclone2/ or https://content.luanti.org/packages/ryvnf/mineclonia/ |
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Guest68 |
Ah, good suggestion whosit, I'll check that out. |
| 07:49 |
Guest68 |
sfan5, thanks, I'll try them both. Do they have support for sprinting, or do I get a separate mod for that? In that case, can you recommend any particular? |
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sfan5 |
afaik both do it out-of-the-box |
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Guest68 |
Ok, thanks sfan5 |
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whosit |
Guest68: sprint is also confusingly called "aux1" in the controls settings |
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whosit |
it's E key by default |
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whosit |
(I gues technically it's really just "aux", but still) |
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SwissalpS |
(for now yes, but when aux2 and aux3 come along.... it'll make sense that it is aux1 and not aux) |
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Guest68 |
Ok, tanks! |
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Guest68 |
Ok, thanks! |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> sfan5: Two notes on the framerate tests |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> 1) A lot of people don't have the client mesh chunk cache on so get worse FPS with default settings |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> 2. LinuxForks `/spawn` location has a soviet lag factory nearby that really really doesn't help. Actually one should visit just to find out how bad a framerate can get |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> MisterE: I can't see it on the IRC log website, but the bridge doesn't seem to be working today |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> or maybe it's on the matrix side... |
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sfan5 |
fortunately I have client_mesh_chunk = 1 set :) |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> default mesh chunk off by default -> more people get worse framerates -> more complaints about low framerate spawns |
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sfan5 |
i mean it should definitely be on by default |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> about the earlier issues.. I think perhaps my homeserver was lagging. Or some other part of Matrix |
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cheapie |
Blockhead256: I get no results when searching for "cache" in the settings. I do have a client mesh chunk*size* option, but IME turning that up past 1 just gives more stuttering and no frame rate increase |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Has v-rob's formspec replacement been finalized and merged yet, I'd like to take a look at the documentation for it? |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> merged no, you could see this by looking at the pr where you would also see the docs for it |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Damn, navigating GitHub is still kind of confusing for me. Let me see if I can find the link to it. |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> hm #15971, okay now I just got to find the documentation |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/15971 -- Add `allow_close[]` element to formspecs by v-rob |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> hm, well that didn't work. https://github.com/v-rob/minetest/tree/uncloseable-formspecs |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> I'll just wait until it's finalized, shouldn't be that long. |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> skill issue: https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/pulls/v-rob |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/pull/14263 |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> 100%, thanks. |
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schubisu |
hi everyone! I currently have issues with my luanti server; clients receive timeouts. I can see that the connection request is made in the logs, the server is responding with multiple lines of "RE-SENDING timed-out RELIABLE". I cannot see anything in the logs that would tell me what's going wrong, does anyone know that problem? |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> what version are the server and clients? |
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schubisu |
both on 5.11. I've just updated the server from 5.8 or something |
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schubisu |
I'm not sure though, if I have to migrate my mods first. But I get the same results when deactivating all mods altogether |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/15627 sounds more like https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/9107, been a few others, but iirc there where all "solved" |
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schubisu |
hm, not sure. Here's a full log of a client connection with --verbose as logged from server. Do I miss something? https://share.riseup.net/#vu7y9Rn5nClOS_IQlcvS3A |
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MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> I'm getting "PC LOADLETTER" vibes from that error message. |
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sfan5 |
schubisu: did you confirm that the network has no problems between client and server |
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sfan5 |
also ipv4 or ipv6? |
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sfan5 |
the log suggests that clients literally don't even receive the very first non-trivial packet sent by the server |
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sfan5 |
so likely not a packet loss issue |
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sfan5 |
rather something werd like firewalling |
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sfan5 |
weird* |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Hi |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> I'd like help with the function lua local function loadNamespace(_namespace, _func, ...) local gcm = core.get_current_modname local gmp = core.get_modpath core.get_current_modname = function() return _namespace end core.get_modpath = function(_modname) return table.concat({modpath, "test_plugins", _namespace},DIR_DELIM) end _func(...) core.get_current_modname = gcm core.get_modpath = gmp end called as |
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MTDiscord |
pcall(loadNamespace, ":foo:", function(){}) which allows the code to pass execution to a untested/broken code, while avoid crashing errors the problem is any globals and/or state is persistent between failures. How can i Fix this unwanted behaviours. |
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sfan5 |
the answer to your question is probably setfenv |
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sfan5 |
however the way you're overring core methods is broken, don't do that |
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sfan5 |
overriding* |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> how should i overwrite them "correctly", the example is simplified. i need to be able to overload arbitrary core functions? |
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sfan5 |
wanting to override core.get_modpath sounds weird to me in the first place |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Right because i could beanything like say core.register_item or any other function. I'm looking to generalize the solution to provide this as a error handle library fo new programers so they can test code without crashing luanti. |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> *be anything |
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exoticalexo |
Is Hindi recommended for locale tr? |
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sfan5 |
so you want to intercept all api function calls? I don't think that will be easy |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Ive done it |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> it wasn't particularly beautiful of course |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> didn't hurt performance as much as you might expect though. |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> I was thinking I could copy the _G global, and replace it to a "know state", but that could interfere with libraries and other state outside of my control? |
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exoticalexo |
No, like for text translation for my mod on my private server. |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> I had a blanket check against core:func(...) when it's supposed to be core.func(...), since there's never a case when you want to pass core itself as the first param. |
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MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> That depends... Are any of your friends indians? |
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exoticalexo |
Like 4? |
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MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> If not, then it seems pretty clear. There's no reason to include hindi translations... |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> reminder to Discord bridge users that which message you're replying to does not go across the bridge so you might have to "quote manually" if you want to be specific about which message you're replying to. Or just embrace the ambiguity I suppose. |
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exoticalexo |
If I do add it, what would it be called? mod.hi.tr? |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Warr1024: insert why now both meme. |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Luanti has a bunch of language codes it supports, I think. There are a few that don't agree with what Weblate calls them, but simple stuff mostly matches. There are a few "blocked" languages, like RTL ones, that Luanti can't render, but you can try any of the rest probably. |
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exoticalexo |
Ok |
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exoticalexo |
So like arabic? |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Yeah, I don't think Luanti can render arabic text at all, it'd be a disaster. So it's disabled. |
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MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> If you have English, French, and Spanish, it'll probably be understandable by anyone who is capable of using the internet. |
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MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> I wouldn't worry too much about translations... |
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exoticalexo |
ok |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> People who know French or Spanish are also more likely to know English. If you really want universality, far-flung languages that are each very influential in their speheres, like English, Russian, and Chinese, might be better bets. |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Wait why French, I thought that was a Quebec thing? Is French an interlang? |
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schubisu |
sfan5: I can reach the server just fine via ssh and other services. I've tried with and without ufw enabled without any difference. But I read that port forwarding may be an issue. It's still weird, because it used to work fine with that set-up |
| 20:16 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> The best thing to do, translation-wise, is to just let people contribute whatever languages they want, and make it as easy for contributors as you can. |
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MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> It's spoken in parts of africa... |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> lol, C, that's a good one |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> French used to be the Lingua Franca of international everything before English took over. |
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exoticalexo |
Ok, but so far, I do have french, Chinese(traditional and taiwan), |
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MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> Literally "Lingua Franca"... |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> hence the joke of calling English the Lingua Franca, yes |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Warr1024: Damn France taking l after l on the international stage. |
| 20:18 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> At least they still have the best food. |
| 20:19 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> I've got two games that are very widely translated: NodeCore and Piranesi Restoration Project. Both of them are to a pretty significant extent because I've been able to use Weblate for it. It's just hard to get setup with an instance. I was originally using a self-hosted version, moved to cloud-hosted. |
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exoticalexo |
(I am working on getting spanish, german and russian translations.) |
| 20:19 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Yeah, France has some of the best food outside of Asia :-D |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> I've found it easier than I'd have expected to get Russian translations. It seems like people who speak both languages are eager to bridge the gap and get things accessible to Russian language users. |
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MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> The Russians just read it in English. |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Ok wait can someone explain Weblate, I've only ever seen it explained in passing and it's always been this magic box that spits out translation thru "community effort"? |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Some languages are easy to translate though. If you've got Spanish and want Italian, just make a copy of the .tr file and people can muddle through until they start submitting fixes 😆 |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Weblate is a system where people can submit translations on an individual string basis, allowing people to do useful translation work even if they don't have the time to do a whole project. It also simplifies the interfaces for them so they don't need to know how to use git and open a pull request. Overall, lowering the barrier to participation brings in quite a lot more participants. |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> And you have to self host, what about access control or bad actors translating "stone" into various curse words? |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Seems like a hassle? |
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MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> That's a risk that you have to live with. |
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MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> Also, that's very easy to do by accident. |
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[MatrxMT] |
<y5nw> You don't need to self-host Weblate; there is the "Hosted Weblate" instance, and e.g. Codeberg also has its own instance |
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MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> If you make some random sound or combination of letters, chances are it at least somewhat resembles a swear word in at least some language. |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> does luanti or cdb have an instance used internally? |
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[MatrxMT] |
<y5nw> Getting wrong/malicious translations is an inherent risk regardless of the platform; you also have this same risk if the translations are sent with e.g. git-send-email |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Yeah but git or snail-mail is more easy to corollate bad actors, after the first time you get (stone => peepeepoopoo) you can just blacklist the account and filter contribution or spam. |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Its alot harder then everything is ip or god forbid cookie based |
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[MatrxMT] |
<y5nw> Weblate provides edit logs that show the changes to the translation (including the user that made the last edits) |
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sfan5 |
weblate does have accounts |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> See this is why I need someone to explain it fully, is there like a demo I can look at? |
| 20:33 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Weblate actually stores stuff internally in a git repo, which you can either sync and merge from, or you can pull stuff via their web API. Git commits all have metadata about contributors. |
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[MatrxMT] |
<y5nw> https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/minetest/minetest/ |
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[MatrxMT] |
<y5nw> ^ if you want an example (Luanti engine without builtin) |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Warr1024: Ok so its git with a nice ui, made for non-programers to write configs without needing to know about a backend or json/sql/etc.? |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> y5nw: thank you I'll take a look at it fully at home. |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> But from a glance 48% is less than half, why so low? |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> and why lgpl 😢 |
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[MatrxMT] |
<y5nw> Some languages don't have a large player base or have rendering problems? |
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exoticalexo |
That doesn’t mean that we can make a translation for it… |
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MTDiscord |
<theidealist> huh somebody really ought to make that work properly |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Translations tend to happen based on supply, not so much based on demand. |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> @Warr1024 I don't know why your project is locked, but the restoration proj is at 99% and Sessions => Sesion(es) is so easy. |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> and yes, properl LTR support in Luanti would be awesome for the large populations affected, it's just apparently Hard. |
| 20:44 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> shouldn't be locked |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Actually that might not be the correct spelling, sesión(es) |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Sorry my keyboard is English |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Says "closed due to maintenance, no idea what that means |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> broken on my machine. |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1362892337042296992/2025-04-18_16_46_12-Minetest_Game__Piranesi_Restoration_Project_Spanish__Hosted_Weblate__Session.png?ex=68040be6&is=6802ba66&hm=00c8ae1fe32c700c488684f5bcd4538e6e3b24bc52775a6f1e1ecc378fcbe520& |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> well i tried |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> you'll have 100% when they fix it i guess? |
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sfan5 |
i think its intentionally locked |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> By who, if warr doesn't know? |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Who else can even do that but the game dev? |
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sfan5 |
the luanti team |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> It'd be a person within the luanti team. Not the whole team. Or else presumably sfan5 would already know and not be talking about this speculatively. |
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sfan5 |
no I also have access |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> I actually suspect it was Weblate itself that did it, like, trying to do a pull, hitting a conflict, and automatically locking it |
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sfan5 |
no that doesn't happen |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> well telling me what you think it isn't doesn't really help much with the actual question of what it IS. |
| 20:56 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> and I'm not so sure I care about the why anyway. |
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sfan5 |
i think we wanted to deprecate the game translations there so we locked it a while ago |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> I'm learning so much about this translation technique, mainly the reason why Android uses strings.json in a repository somewhere instead. |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> If that were the case then it seems like I should have heard about it 😄 |
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sfan5 |
🤷 |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Well, I unlocked it for now since it sounds like people want to continue translating the projects, and otherwise the project is just sitting there taking up space and doing nobody any good. |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> I MIGHT take another swing at self-hosting eventually, I'm not sure. I've learned a bit more about other workflows for Weblate that I didn't know last time I tried it. |
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[MatrxMT] |
<y5nw> I suppose it's easier to use Weblate now that you don't have to perform po/tr file conversion anymore? (and xgettext can be used for extracting strings) |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Yay! |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1362896045952209003/2025-04-18_17_01_36-Minetest_Game__Piranesi_Restoration_Project_Spanish__Hosted_Weblate_-_Vivaldi.png?ex=68040f5a&is=6802bdda&hm=c65e764c6744f074043b07483ccdd580d22feeb9cf88d3c6c45f3ae449dd239e& |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Found a message that says "Alert created" right next to "Component locked" in a log, but that's all it says, and I don't see any other alert. |
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<warr1024> I know I've seen other components get automatically locked for the same reason though, i.e. something failing during a git repo operation, so that's why I suspected it. |
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<nathan4220776> Someone's translation must have failed to compile. |
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[MatrxMT] |
<y5nw> Weblate should handle translation files correctly so that is IMO very unlikely compared to e.g. a git-related conflict |
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<nathan4220776> I was just kidding. |
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<y5nw> Seriously though, if you want to accept translations from other sources it would make sense to have a CI pipeline to check for errors in translation files |
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cheapie |
Maybe the mods on this other server are a bit more out of date than I thought: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/2025-04-18%2011-10-20.webm |
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cheapie |
(that's the old motor sound, before the initial ContentDB release even - it was just in there as a placeholder until I got sounds I could actually ship, which I eventually did) |
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<redundantcc> Can dynamic_add_media overwrite the file_name parameter/value, so that you can dynamically change what a texture references to as it changes on disk? Or does this cause issues/technical limitations? |
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<redundantcc> Cuz I noticed it gives me an error, but is that just cuz it's not implemented or cuz implementation would be hard / impossible? |
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sfan5 |
did you check the docs? |
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<redundantcc> a little, https://discord.com/channels/369122544273588224/369128039738638338/1362914935935340787 |
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<redundantcc> Oh wait you can't see that can you, sorry yeah I did. |
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<luatic> (you can't and it's documented in lua_api.md if you look at the full dynamic_add_media documentation there) |
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<luatic> (there are also a bunch of issues requesting something like this on GH) |
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<redundantcc> Damn, well thanks anyway. Really thought I was going to do something clever here, but I guess not. |
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