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| 00:21 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> cheapie: If you don't gain FPS from the client mesh chunk size options, your CPU is probably too weak to help the GPU enough. Oh well! |
| 00:21 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> as some have said, it would be good to have presets for graphics. Though with Luanti it would have to be a few options |
| 00:21 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> Potato Low Medium High Ultra or something |
| 00:32 |
cheapie |
Blockhead256: I'd think a 5950X would be fast enough |
| 00:32 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> oic |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> reminder to all the discord users that any file uploads become unusable off-discord after about 24-36 hours |
| 00:44 |
ireallyhateirc |
isn't that a feature? time bomb |
| 00:45 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> yes, an anti-feature of discord to be precise |
| 00:45 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> because they don't want to be everyone's free CDN |
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ireallyhateirc |
too bad, would be funny if they were |
| 00:54 |
cheapie |
Achievement unlocked: rickrolled another player using //lua and core.dynamic_add_media() |
| 00:54 |
MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> Excellent. |
| 00:55 |
MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> The file upload thing can probably be worked around... |
| 00:55 |
MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> Maybe it tracks the referer? |
| 01:02 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> dQw4w9WgXcQ |
| 01:05 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> no, you need to be authenticated to get an updated token |
| 01:06 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> maybe with a proxy, but that's against ToS surely, and you'd have to paste into the proxy website |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> On the topic how does matrix handle file uploads, it might be easier to talk I'm here through that. Since IRC is quicker and dirtier, but probably doesn't support file uploading out of the box? |
| 02:08 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> *on there throught that. |
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MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> Anything supports file uploads if you base64 encode the file first. |
| 02:48 |
cheapie |
nathan4220776: data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABAAAAAQCAIAAACQkWg2AAAAA3NCSVQICAjb4U/gAAAACXBIWXMAAA7EAAAOxAGVKw4bAAAAbklEQVQokZ1SSRLAMAiCjP//sj20Yx00dmFyIqi40B2fYABIAMiRJNwvPnAKTEQRn0UZK3+QmrVi1WTiLd7dw2Bga+k9rE2TLUkp/tkDNqNsSatUVk9N1w20pVjZuu/J0nwXkMVJ1n4ScpWPUz4A6882JXARoXsAAAAASUVORK5CYII= |
| 02:48 |
cheapie |
Like that? :P |
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MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> Yes. |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> If only there was a service, that took base64 encoded images and used nothing but front end JavaScript to create usable images that could be seen on all platforms //todo |
| 06:12 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Actually I guess it would have to be convenient to upload in that way first, otherwise the service itself would be kind of pointless. So the ideal solution would be a matrix/irc client which auto encodes images, and then links them to this Black-Box-Unicorn service? |
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rubenwardy |
You can paste a data URL into a browser to view it |
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BuckarooBanzai |
@redundantcc something like this: https://gchq.github.io/CyberChef/#recipe=From_Base64('A-Za-z0-9%2B/%3D',true,false)Render_Image('Raw')&input=aVZCT1J3MEtHZ29BQUFBTlNVaEVVZ0FBQUJBQUFBQVFDQUlBQUFDUWtXZzJBQUFBQTNOQ1NWUUlDQWpiNFUvZ0FBQUFDWEJJV1hNQUFBN0VBQUFPeEFHVkt3NGJBQUFBYmtsRVFWUW9rWjFTU1JMQU1BaUNqUC8vc2oyMFl4MDBkbUZ5SXFpNDBCMmZZQUJJQU1pUkpOd3ZQbkF |
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BuckarooBanzai |
LVEVRUm4wVVpLMytRbXJWaTFXVGlMZDdkdzJCZ2ErazlyRTJUTFVrcC90a0ROcU5zU2F0VVZrOU4xdzIwcFZqWnV1L0owbndYa01WSjFuNFNjcFdQVXo0QTY4ODJKWEFSb1hzQUFBQUFTVVZPUks1Q1lJST0 |
| 16:56 |
BuckarooBanzai |
(ok, the message break might have messed that up) |
| 17:01 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> rubenwardy: that reminds me, can you add support for data:html urls in cdb? |
| 17:01 |
rubenwardy |
why? |
| 17:01 |
rubenwardy |
that isn't going to work on the Luanti client |
| 17:02 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Doesn't the client open it in the default web browser anyway? |
| 17:03 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Plus if you just want to have an HTML page with a picture of a shredder as your issue tracker, it's kind of a waste to host the whole web page for a small little doctext. |
| 17:03 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> BuckarooBanzai: thanks I'll look at this in a bit. |
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MinetestBot |
[git] pgimeno users.noreply.notabug.org -> luanti-org/minetest_game: Fix dry_grass_N on dirt producing dirt_with_grass 838ad60 https://github.com/luanti-org/minetest_game/commit/838ad60ad085f7eabdfb60a8e531b14e424aa5d4 (2025-04-19T17:19:12Z) |
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| 20:05 |
exoticalexo |
Is it possible to upload skins in/on skinsdb or do I need to install another mod to do that? |
| 20:31 |
* cheapie |
grabs her server management bingo card, checks off the "some player wired a whole city worth of mesecons lights to one switch and now it takes about two full seconds to turn the switch on" space |
| 20:31 |
exoticalexo |
lol |
| 20:32 |
exoticalexo |
Why would somebody do that anyway tho(maybe for lagging the server, but idk) |
| 20:32 |
cheapie |
According to the player in question, it's so that they can easily turn the lights on/off at the same time, but they haven't specified why they need/want to do such a thing |
| 20:33 |
cheapie |
But this is coming from some instrumentation that I stuck into the mesecons ActionQueue in an attempt to get the little bits of background lag cut down even more, I had "receptor_on 1943091 (-1054,5,5537)" pop out of it |
| 20:33 |
exoticalexo |
Why does he need to turn on a “whole city worth of mesecons lamps” lol |
| 20:33 |
cheapie |
receptor_on is the function, 1943091 is the time it took in µs, and then the position |
| 20:34 |
cheapie |
I have no idea. You're welcome to try to ask but this player is basically impossible to communicate with |
| 20:35 |
exoticalexo |
Which server is it? |
| 20:35 |
cheapie |
I think the plan right now is to offer assistance in converting to a less-laggy system, and if they reject then it'll just be a case of "OK, fine, but you can't do *this* any more" |
| 20:35 |
sfan5 |
"Why would somebody do that anyway" well maybe he wants to light his city |
| 20:36 |
exoticalexo |
Not if it lags the server out, that would be excessive |
| 20:36 |
cheapie |
One player on that server has been working on a system using digilines that staggers the changes over a few seconds, I'd kind of like to see them use that |
| 20:36 |
MTDiscord |
<et086> 2 second lag spike to turn on lights is crazy... wow |
| 20:37 |
cheapie |
Or really even just using digilines instead of mesecons tends to make these things a lot faster, even if it does still all go at once |
| 20:37 |
sfan5 |
wouldn't inserting a few delays just fix it? |
| 20:37 |
sfan5 |
delayers* |
| 20:37 |
cheapie |
Possibly, but right now the wiring is a mess and I'm not even sure what's getting power from what |
| 20:38 |
cheapie |
And this player is the sort that gets really defensive and starts asking tons of questions if you touch their stuff, so any "cut some mesecons and see what goes out" activities are best done when they're not on |
| 20:39 |
MTDiscord |
<et086> lol |
| 20:39 |
cheapie |
They were trying to kick us out of their "power plant" at one point, that was amusing |
| 20:40 |
cheapie |
Like... no, all of us that were there are server staff, we can go wherever we need to :P |
| 20:40 |
exoticalexo |
Do they really need that much lights? Couldn’t they just put on regular lighting instead of mesecons-powered ones? |
| 20:41 |
* cheapie |
shrugs |
| 20:41 |
cheapie |
If they really want to do central lighting control I just wish they'd at least do it with digilines |
| 20:42 |
exoticalexo |
Too expensive for them? |
| 20:42 |
cheapie |
It's a creative server |
| 20:42 |
exoticalexo |
Oh |
| 20:43 |
exoticalexo |
Guess they don’t know how to use digilines? |
| 20:43 |
cheapie |
Which is why I mentioned probably offering them help converting the system over |
| 20:43 |
exoticalexo |
So the server is VE-CREATIVE? |
| 20:44 |
MTDiscord |
<et086> you could convert it with worldedit while they aren't looking (converting mesecon wires to digiline ones, and adding a luac to control it) |
| 20:45 |
cheapie |
exoticalexo: Yes, that's the only one I play on after all |
| 20:47 |
cheapie |
Max lag is currently 0.13 with 5 players online, which isn't terrible but it's always nice to be able to get that down more |
| 20:48 |
exoticalexo |
et, I’d think they will notice tho. |
| 20:48 |
cheapie |
Especially since a decent part of it has been things like "here's a firmware update for that LuaC you have that's running some code I wrote a while back, this new version works exactly the same but performs better" |
| 20:49 |
MTDiscord |
<et086> maybe you could profile the server for a bit to find out whats causing lag (potentially fixing those mods), also 0.13 seconds with 5 players online is really good |
| 20:49 |
cheapie |
Yeah, this is a result of profiling |
| 20:49 |
MTDiscord |
<et086> wow |
| 20:50 |
cheapie |
mesecons globalstep is most of it, which is why I have that custom instrumentation on right now (temporarily) that tells me if any one ActionQueue function takes more than 50ms |
| 20:50 |
cheapie |
It's not a hard limit, like we're not implementing a "your thing can't take more than 50ms" rule or whatever |
| 20:50 |
cheapie |
Just trying to spot things that don't perform well, especially if I can easily improve them |
| 20:51 |
MTDiscord |
<et086> i mean there is mesecons_debug which would tell you and limit mapblocks which take too much time |
| 20:51 |
cheapie |
I did see that one, that seems a bit heavy-handed though |
| 20:52 |
cheapie |
And this one-liner is doing everything I need it to do anyway |
| 20:53 |
cheapie |
If anyone else wants it (it assumes you have the IRC mod installed): //lua local oldexecute=mesecon.queue.execute;function mesecon.queue.execute(self,action) local starttime=core.get_us_time(); oldexecute(self,action); local endtime = core.get_us_time(); if endtime-starttime>50000 then irc.say("cheapie",action.func.." "..(endtime-starttime).." "..core.pos_to_string(action.pos)) end end |
| 20:54 |
MTDiscord |
<et086> doesnt that spam you |
| 20:55 |
cheapie |
Not a ton, there's not all that much slow stuff on there |
| 20:55 |
cheapie |
As in the vast, vast majority of items in the queue complete in under 50ms |
| 20:56 |
MTDiscord |
<et086> thats nice then |
| 20:57 |
cheapie |
re: 0.13s though - sure, 0.13s with 5 players on isn't bad, but at the same time this is a server with so little background lag that it's not uncommon to see numbers as low as 0.05s with fewer players |
| 20:57 |
cheapie |
dedicated_server_step is set to 0.025 |
| 20:57 |
exoticalexo |
It’s like 8 players now ig |
| 20:57 |
MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> What servera are you talking about? |
| 20:58 |
cheapie |
VE-Creative |
| 20:58 |
MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> Oh, ok. |
| 20:58 |
cheapie |
daconcepts.com:37000 |
| 20:59 |
cheapie |
FWIW in the past 5 or so minutes I've only seen one warning, and that was a digilines message that took 80ms |
| 20:59 |
cheapie |
I do know which machine that is (and it's one of mine), I did do some work on it recently so it does these much less often |
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