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ireallyhateirc |
getting stuff like lineart in Luanti would require shaders and stuff, right? |
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ireallyhateirc |
I think there's a hack where you duplicate all topology, scale it a little to make a shell and then flip normals, enable backface culling and use a dark transparent material for it |
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<the4spaceconstants2181> that's for outlines |
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ireallyhateirc |
I heard people refer to that as lineart too |
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ireallyhateirc |
is the Luanti build on F-droid official? |
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ireallyhateirc |
also apparently the playstore link is dead |
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<rollerozxa> F-Droid is as official as any downstream distribution |
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<rollerozxa> also see #luanti-dev for why the playstore link is dead |
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<rollerozxa> the website has been updated to temporarily hide the play link. hopefully it will be back within a couple days when the app is transferred to c55's developer account |
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ireallyhateirc |
I see. Asking because we had a multicraft player on our server and wanted to tell them to get the real thing lol |
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ireallyhateirc |
and that would be easier compared to directing them to F-droid |
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rubenwardy |
hopefully it'll be restored in a few days |
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<rollerozxa> yeah it's unfortunate that google play is so unreliable when it's the only way most people can/want to obtain android apps |
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ireallyhateirc |
just my opinion but if this was my project I'd upgrade LGPLv2.1 to GPLv3 to avoid crappy forks filled with spyware/ads |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> life is all about compromise |
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ireallyhateirc |
well, this permissive model has pros and cons, but Blender community works just fine with paid addons that come under GPLv3 so it's not like strong copyleft kills commercial uses altogether |
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ireallyhateirc |
Section 3 of LGPLv2.1 allows for upgrade to GPLv2 or any version later |
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ireallyhateirc |
to gain from the permissive model Luanti needs to become less gamish and more engine-y |
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ireallyhateirc |
then a Godot-esque model would work |
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ireallyhateirc |
LGPLv2.1 will make steam integration easier I guess |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> Ah yes, the nuclear option |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> DO IT |
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<jordan4ibanez> https://tenor.com/view/do-it-what-are-you-waiting-for-determined-angry-gif-5247874 |
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<jordan4ibanez> Plus this would be another controversy that might gain free advertising |
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ireallyhateirc |
you mean steam integration or upgrade to GPLv3 ? |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> gplv3 |
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<jordan4ibanez> THEY'RE GOING MORE OPEN SOURCE, GET THEM! |
| 22:55 |
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<jordan4ibanez> there are now 50 forks of minetest under the lgpl2 license oh the huge manatee |
| 22:56 |
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<jordan4ibanez> Put a giant # text on the top of the readme that says "FORK BEFORE WE GO TO GPL4" |
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ireallyhateirc |
even with LGPLv2.1 Multicraft can't update their engine so I doubt GPLv3 would change much |
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ireallyhateirc |
though backporting changes could poison their codebase with GPLv3 lol |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> Listen, people are absolutely are insane and companies absolutely do not want to touch gplv3 so it's perfect, it is the nuclear option |
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[ |
you know what companies hate more than GPLv3? AGPLv3 |
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[ |
I like AGPLv3 |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> Instead of people complaining we don't have opengl 1.1 support we can hear about how glpv2 was so much better and we don't have to hear about them missing out on new features because they won't touch the game anymore |
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ireallyhateirc |
I'm probably going to upgrade my luanti game to AGPL soon |
| 23:03 |
ireallyhateirc |
I also plan releasing my game commercially also under AGPL |
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<luatic> AGPL would be fairly extreme: Server owners doing whatever patch would have to publicize that. |
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<jordan4ibanez> Luatic you're supposed to be arguing against the topic |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-what-shock-meow-gif-20014431 |
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5.10 was the last good version anyway, before removing support for running without shaders completely destroyed performance |
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ireallyhateirc |
luatic, that prevents people from making proprietary forks of my game provided as a service |
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luatic: I think they should have to do that, yes |
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ireallyhateirc |
which I imagine big companies could do if/when my FOSS game becomes commercially successful |
| 23:08 |
ireallyhateirc |
with AGPL they'd be forced to publish their improvements, which would be a big win for me and the free software community |
| 23:09 |
ireallyhateirc |
and being compliant with AGPL is simple, you just have to publish the source code or at least send it to users of the service |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> them: "o nuuuu" me: for the LOVE OF TAKE MY CHANGES RIGHT NOW |
| 23:11 |
ireallyhateirc |
version 3 GNU licenses are quite forgiving - to regain the license you just need to publish code |
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<luatic> [_: as for shaders, no it's not nearly as simple as that. |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> Oh you wrote 1 letter in that shader? |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> https://tenor.com/view/its-free-real-sate-gif-7215175 |
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ireallyhateirc |
luatic, also with small patches I probably wouldn't care or wouldn't be able to tell the game is non-vanilla (the copyright owner is the only one who can enforce copyright). Though if someone was brewing a huge fork with many features and would refuse to publish the source then I'd simply sue them. I don't work in my free time to empower someone's proprietary services. |
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ireallyhateirc |
And still people would be able to provide paid servers with my game, they'd just need to provide the source code to their users |
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