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[MatrxMT] |
<Bracket> whys that so goofy |
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| 15:12 |
rebka |
hi |
| 15:12 |
rebka |
how are u today guys |
| 15:12 |
rebka |
=* |
| 15:14 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> not bad, just enjoying linuxforks |
| 15:14 |
rebka |
owh |
| 15:14 |
rebka |
can u share with me whats forks are using? |
| 15:15 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> it's a server |
| 15:15 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> https://forum.luanti.org/viewtopic.php?t=17465 |
| 15:15 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Bracket> I use metal fork out of steel |
| 15:15 |
rebka |
oh |
| 15:15 |
rebka |
okie |
| 15:15 |
rebka |
btw |
| 15:15 |
rebka |
im using solus linux |
| 15:16 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Bracket> btw i use linux too |
| 15:16 |
rebka |
im also very impressed that someone keep talking in irc chats nowadays |
| 15:16 |
rebka |
hey |
| 15:16 |
rebka |
whats distro? |
| 15:17 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> well minetest-c55, now Luanti, goes back to 2011. People just never stopped using IRC |
| 15:17 |
rebka |
i see it |
| 15:17 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> Unlike Windows or macOS, Linux is just a kernel. Distros are when people build more software on top, enough that someone can actually use it on their computer with the software they expect |
| 15:18 |
rebka |
probably yet |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Bracket> i use endeavour os |
| 15:18 |
rebka |
i more prefer the linux for him lightweightness and advanced customization |
| 15:19 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> Luanti has a lot of Linux users, probably equal or more than Windows users |
| 15:20 |
rebka |
can’t be wrong, but endeavour os is that something like corporative product? |
| 15:20 |
rebka |
as such a fedora? |
| 15:21 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> Endeavour is a community project more than Red Hat's Fedora |
| 15:21 |
rebka |
it's just my list of main distros are mint, solus and void. |
| 15:21 |
rebka |
aa |
| 15:21 |
rebka |
understandable |
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MTDiscord |
<nexus.r21> I use arch, btw |
| 15:22 |
rebka |
meme) |
| 15:22 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> calling fedora a corporate product seems odd. i use fedora btw |
| 15:22 |
rebka |
btw |
| 15:22 |
rebka |
who is making edits in a kdenlive here? |
| 15:22 |
MTDiscord |
<nexus.r21> It's a tradition |
| 15:22 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> you can't really extract Fedora from RHEL in the end |
| 15:22 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> either way i welcome it if people find a way to make open source work economically. where do you think the linux foundation gets its funding from? |
| 15:22 |
rebka |
i can introduce my own editing clan/community named as GNU EDITING |
| 15:23 |
MTDiscord |
<nexus.r21> where? |
| 15:23 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Bracket> its a arch but with a installer |
| 15:24 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> anyway this room is about Luanti, please try to talk at least kind of related to that |
| 15:24 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> all kinds of corporations which have realized that linux is indispensable. |
| 15:24 |
MTDiscord |
<nexus.r21> I'm thinking of making a "Making an aimbot in minetest" video, I'll be going to edit it in kdenlive I don't really know any other good opensource software |
| 15:24 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Bracket> do we have #linux-irc |
| 15:24 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> for that you want a real IRC client, or another Matrix room |
| 15:25 |
rebka |
who plays Mineclonia, guys? |
| 15:25 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> I don't play it myself, but I try to make my mods compatible with it |
| 15:25 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> hehe many years ago i made an aimbot, but i never used it |
| 15:25 |
rebka |
bruh |
| 15:26 |
MTDiscord |
<nexus.r21> This was like a fun "question" because I was learning trigonometry anyway lol |
| 15:26 |
rebka |
im invisible for everyone... |
| 15:26 |
rebka |
its sad |
| 15:26 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> who said that? |
| 15:26 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> Nah I'm just kidding, everyone plays it |
| 15:26 |
rebka |
erh |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Bracket> your name is so short |
| 15:26 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> aimbots are funny business because if you do them right, they're impossible to detect. |
| 15:26 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> In fact celeron55 created it while he was asleep |
| 15:26 |
rebka |
him name is too short) |
| 15:27 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> hence why i find it so absurd when client cheat devs claim that the fix to every cheat is to "just check it on the server bro". |
| 15:27 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> for many cheats that's possible, sure. for something like an aimbot, it's just clearly not. or many possible rendering cheats. |
| 15:27 |
MTDiscord |
<nexus.r21> You could detect aimbot's if the player's yaw and pitch change rapidly, but the client can just decide to not send them |
| 15:27 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> FPS is stone dead, killed by advanced undetectable aimbotting and the whiff of money and prestige |
| 15:28 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Bracket> is players sre too good they cheat easy finding |
| 15:28 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> nexus: this is all included in "if you do it right". you can interpolate rotations. you can even mix in random if servers start using statistics to detect someone's aim being "too good". an excellent player will essentially be indistinguishable from an excellent aimbot. |
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MTDiscord |
<nexus.r21> Btw, how does this std::vector<DistanceSortedActiveObject> store objects? Is it stored by closest to farthest? |
| 15:29 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> look at the comparator DistanceSortedActiveObject defines |
| 15:29 |
MTDiscord |
<nexus.r21> Right |
| 15:29 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> If you ctrl click it, you should see the implementation |
| 15:29 |
rebka |
who have the access for a kdenlive irc chat room? i need it immediately! |
| 15:29 |
MTDiscord |
<nexus.r21> That's a useful trick man, thanks |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Bracket> kid en live? |
| 15:30 |
rebka |
yeas |
| 15:30 |
rebka |
KDEnLive |
| 15:30 |
rebka |
im a kdenlive professional multieditor |
| 15:30 |
rebka |
photo |
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rebka |
audio |
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rebka |
video |
| 15:30 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> the only hard fix there is for cheating is essentially to move the client to the server and just stream controls, rendered images, and sound, but that's not viable with current connections. |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Bracket> no idea |
| 15:30 |
rebka |
im also have the two channels on the youtube |
| 15:30 |
rebka |
and two in odysee |
| 15:30 |
rebka |
storydiscounter |
| 15:30 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> Anytime bro |
| 15:30 |
rebka |
and @gnuediting |
| 15:31 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> rebka there is a kdenlive irc |
| 15:31 |
rebka |
i need to go away for a while |
| 15:31 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> and even that hard fix isn't a hard fix as people might as well whip up whatever AI there is by the time connections are good enough for this to be viable and have them play the game in their stead |
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rebka |
i can't find it |
| 15:32 |
rebka |
im see only the matrix room and forum of them |
| 15:32 |
MTDiscord |
<nexus.r21> Even if we do that and roll out a new version, many would be still using the old version and in turn a loss of player would occur. |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> yeah this is not viable for luanti at all, i'm just theorizing here |
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MTDiscord |
<nexus.r21> Is there a plan to make the luanti protocol E2E so that sniffing of packets would not be possible? |
| 15:34 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> okay rebka run the command /j #kdenlive |
| 15:34 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> that's not really related but yeah, there is a distant plan for that |
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MTDiscord |
<nexus.r21> Cool, I was just wondering |
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rebka |
thank |
| 15:36 |
rebka |
s |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> nexus: my long-term hope is that we get something like QUIC, esp. because it would probably outperform our current protocol in terms of reliability and performance |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> connections will never be that good, speed of light being what it is and ISPs being what they are |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> does it already compress packets? |
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MTDiscord |
<nexus.r21> That's a great idea, it would also reduce the overhead caused by encryption |
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Helenah |
Hi, how do I have the minimap open by default? It is getting annoying when I have to press V to open it each time I log into a server. |
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Krock_ |
Helenah: just never leave the server |
| 18:53 |
Krock_ |
a more reasonable answer is: no, there's no such setting. |
| 18:53 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> helenah, you can use a CSM if it's enabled on the server to automatically open it for you. |
| 18:53 |
Krock_ |
oh indeed. I totally forgot the minimap is exposed to CSM too |
| 18:54 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Everyone does |
| 18:54 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> We have a setting to remember the F5 debug view, and fly mode, so having one to remember the minimap mode would not be unreasonable. It'd just take some PRing. |
| 18:55 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> And, I suppose, some bikeshedding over whether there should be separate settings to "remember" vs "reset" these settings 😆 |
| 18:55 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> (I run Luanti inside a wrapper script and one of the things it does is modify the conf file right before launch to reset some settings that are remembered that I don't want remembered) |
| 18:57 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Helenah: There's a built-in version csm I think, if I remember the default behavior correctly it automatically opens the mini map once enabled. You can easily copy and modify the behavior from that script, real shame you can't share them on the forum though. |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> CSM sharing is prohibited on the forums? 👀 that's news to me... |
| 18:58 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Maybe I misread the rules? |
| 18:58 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> English is hard |
| 18:59 |
MTDiscord |
<greenxenith> https://forum.luanti.org/viewforum.php?f=53 |
| 18:59 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> there is a whole subforum for CSMs... |
| 18:59 |
Helenah |
Thanks, the CSM option, forgot about those... (typed via gamepad) |
| 19:00 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> With a "no CSMs" rule that whole subforum would just be a giant honeypot 😆 |
| 19:00 |
Krock_ |
I'm so used to colored nicknames (CSM of mine) that I totally forgot that they exist... |
| 19:01 |
Helenah |
Sorry, I get excited when at my couch machine... |
| 19:01 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> 2 subsection 2, Hacking/Cheating: : It is not permissible to promote, link, or otherwise direct Forum users to any kind of "hacking" or "cheating" tools, regardless of their claimed purpose. This includes but is not limited to scripts, bots, modified Luanti clients, CSM mods, third-party programs, etc. This can be interpreted very loosely, that's why I missremembered it |
| 19:02 |
MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> I know that feeling. Sometimes I forget that some servers don't allow stock clients to view the f5 info. |
| 19:02 |
Krock_ |
a cheat client is done with a 1 LoC change |
| 19:02 |
MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> It makes it really annoying to get or tell people coordinates. |
| 19:02 |
MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> I am aware of that. :D |
| 19:03 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> LoC? Does that stand for something? |
| 19:03 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> nathan422: have you stopped to consider that hiding the coordinates from you might be the point |
| 19:03 |
Krock_ |
and checking against mod security issues is often only possible by sending packets using a modified client. not very beautiful but it does the job |
| 19:03 |
MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> Yes. That's why it's annoying. |
| 19:04 |
Krock_ |
LoC = Lines of Code |
| 19:04 |
MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> LoC = Loss of Consciousness. |
| 19:04 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> Location of Crab |
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Helenah |
Glad I hang out on builders servers then, F5 is useful... o.o |
| 19:06 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Oh okay thanks, programmer terminology gets crazy for me sometimes. |
| 19:06 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> lol = lines of lua btw |
| 19:06 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> lol |
| 19:08 |
Krock_ |
lol = lots of lua |
| 19:09 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> toml=too much lua |
| 19:09 |
Helenah |
I guess the lua guys wanted to confuse the hell out of people chatting about lua... |
| 19:09 |
Krock |
hmm.. is there any code golf challenge for Luanti/Minetest? |
| 19:09 |
Krock |
fun ways to (ab)use the API or insane Lua trickery |
| 19:10 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> looks at her hack client uh, no? |
| 19:10 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> I have a one line mod that adds a /sigsegv command, and it was really useful to test my gdb automation. |
| 19:10 |
Krock |
for example, converting OOP to C-like calls: local get_pos = randomplayer.get_pos; local my_pos = get_pos(otherplayer) |
| 19:11 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> i have some insane lua trickery around, i should put it on my bloarg sometime |
| 19:11 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> that looks like a nanooptimization |
| 19:11 |
Helenah |
Anyway, whichever servers don't like you viewing F5 info, I must never pay them a visit, EVER! |
| 19:11 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Pico optimization. |
| 19:11 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Femto optimization |
| 19:12 |
Krock |
Helenah: I pay them a respect visit by checking for bugs :3 |
| 19:12 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Also can I please get the timer from the socket Library exposed to the API, I need six digits of precision. |
| 19:12 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Ha, when even the developers are hostile to their own users, I guess it's about time to make all servers private then. |
| 19:13 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> C: no you don't |
| 19:13 |
Helenah |
I must be on some libertarian servers, I guess. |
| 19:13 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> https://tenor.com/view/hungry-please-sir-may-i-have-some-more-oliver-mark-lester-poor-gif-7821643 |
| 19:13 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Your failure to learn how to use get_us_time cannot be cured by providing you with a second implementation of it. |
| 19:13 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> the socket api itself is useful, but the timer is like the least useful thing given the existence of get_us_time. |
| 19:14 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> to put it plainly: this is the maybe the worst reason to ask for the socket api. |
| 19:14 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> That only gives you three digits of precision, it's basically useless to me |
| 19:14 |
MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
| 19:14 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> There's already an open issue for luasockets integration. It's work-around-able enough with mod trust for the time being, but IIRC there are still issues with the lack of standardization |
| 19:15 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> C: it will give you whatever precision your operating system allows, up to a maximum of 6 digits |
| 19:16 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Yeah I tested the compile, it gives me six digits I want six digits |
| 19:16 |
MTDiscord |
<greenxenith> So you do want get_us_time? |
| 19:16 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Also what workaround |
| 19:18 |
MTDiscord |
<greenxenith> >wants six digits of precision >get_us_time has six digits of precision >doesnt want to use get_us_time ??? |
| 19:20 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> The IRC won't see it but c also. https://discord.com/channels/369122544273588224/369123175583186964/1381427067509280768 |
| 19:20 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> I'll cross post in a second I'm at work |
| 19:21 |
MTDiscord |
<greenxenith> Why did you divide by 1000 |
| 19:21 |
MTDiscord |
<greenxenith> That would be milliseconds |
| 19:21 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Float division is broken, if you convert to number you don't lose precision |
| 19:21 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> At least that's what I suspect |
| 19:21 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> I don't actually know for sure, just works on my machine |
| 19:21 |
MTDiscord |
<greenxenith> What was your goal?? get_us_time returns an int |
| 19:22 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> what? float division is not broken, lua 5.1 numbers are just doubles, the return value of get_us_time is exact... |
| 19:22 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> It returns a number with millisecond precision, I need more since the processor will execute tasks faster and each execution won't have a unique traceable |
| 19:23 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> He's asking an ignorant person the answer to a question I don't know, that's my best response based on observation |
| 19:23 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> no get_us_time returns a value with microsecond precision, unless your OS has a problem with that. |
| 19:23 |
MTDiscord |
<greenxenith> (us means µs in case it isnt clear) |
| 19:23 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> It's not |
| 19:23 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> I thought it was just US time |
| 19:24 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> You know how the Americans are being defaults and all |
| 19:24 |
MTDiscord |
<greenxenith> Did .. did you read the docs? |
| 19:24 |
MTDiscord |
<greenxenith> Also Luanti is developed primarily in europe |
| 19:24 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> When have you ever known me to read documentation |
| 19:25 |
MTDiscord |
<greenxenith> Well anyway, you dont need to divide if you are just comparing times. If you really want a decimal representation of seconds, divide by 1000000 |
| 19:25 |
MTDiscord |
<greenxenith> What would "US time" even be?? |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Based on my testing you're wrong but okay |
| 19:25 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1381715954173739018/2025-06-08_14_24_57-Command_Prompt_-_lua.png?ex=684886c2&is=68473542&hm=b574d024b2932b940a15f72ae01180bfc71697f5dca6481603467145a2be6b41& |
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MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Look every decision was made intentionally, I'm not burning clock cycle for fun here. If you had a thought I had a thought about it yesterday and this was the solution, we're both programmers in all you're doing is following the logic I already traversed to get the algorithm I have. |
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MTDiscord |
<greenxenith> Any other questions? |
| 19:28 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> It's three digits of precision guaranteed via us_ um... whatever the call was called? |
| 19:28 |
MTDiscord |
<redundantcc> Or is that based on the operating system |
| 19:28 |
MTDiscord |
<greenxenith> It's 6 |
| 19:29 |
MTDiscord |
<greenxenith> Microseconds means "millionths of a second" |
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<redundantcc> Green is really going to make me cross post the entire discussion huh, fine https://discord.com/channels/369122544273588224/369123175583186964/1381427067509280768 |
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<redundantcc> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1381717086744612874/2025-06-08_20_14_52-Luanti_5.12.0_Singleplayer_OpenGL_4.6.0.png?ex=684887d0&is=68473650&hm=18482466d25a188373b9b206c4331a16a40e161765b03d623dca6a9f60313f90& |
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<redundantcc> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1381717087336136764/2025-06-08_20_17_06-Luanti_5.12.0_Singleplayer_OpenGL_4.6.0-1.png?ex=684887d0&is=68473650&hm=1c54702d45ffaa412a78033c2d14834f79ba8139f62d562d0f9e9587cfc9c859& |
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<greenxenith> No, C, I already read it |
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<greenxenith> You divided wrong |
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<greenxenith> You are converting microseconds to milliseconds |
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<redundantcc> Then how do you explain the numbers not changing between executions |
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<greenxenith> ??? They do |
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<redundantcc> What I did there guarantees a change between logged messages |
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<greenxenith> Every single number there is different |
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<redundantcc> Three digits of precision |
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<redundantcc> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1381717504375787672/Screenshot_20250609_153151_Discord.png?ex=68488834&is=684736b4&hm=770959de3f8cc9a5571e0c8c4c45657f42318ee5e39dda3365875400e5f6f8ad& |
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<redundantcc> Which is the bloody problem I've been whining about |
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<greenxenith> Thats not 3 digits of precision, C, that's 3 digits that happen to change in the span you are running your calls |
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<redundantcc> I'm running them one after the other, look fine if you want to count it's 13 digit and I need 16 that doesn't change anything |
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<luatic> when we say digits of precision, we're talking about seconds, the SI base unit for time. what the heck are you talking about? |
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<redundantcc> I'm talking about the fractional amount after the second |
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<warr1024> So you're saying you want 6 decimal digits upon milliseconds, so ... nanoseconds? |
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<greenxenith> What you have posted is not seconds, you have posted millisconds |
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<warr1024> 6 digits of precision after the second would be microseconds, which is what get_us_time does. |
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<redundantcc> I don't really even need six I just need four, currently I have three |
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<warr1024> just convert it to seconds. Correctly. |
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<redundantcc> I don't know how else to express that, and I'm sorry I don't speak programmer but I work in management |
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<redundantcc> Not even really management either |
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<greenxenith> Dividing by 1000 gets you milliseconds, not seconds |
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<warr1024> you asked how many microseconds, then divided by 1000 and then pretended that your milliseconds were seconds. |
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<nathan4220776> I was expecting to say "not even really working, either". ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
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<redundantcc> no no no, whatever it is that I did wasn't precise enough, debates of the terminology aside I just need bigger number go up, that's it |
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<redundantcc> Because if I set these as keys there's room for overlap in a hash table |
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<redundantcc> Ultimately that's the best way to phrase it for programmers I guess |
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<redundantcc> I want so much precision that conflicts are impossible |
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<greenxenith> Precision does not change |
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<greenxenith> microseconds are microseconds. Division simply changes the representation. |
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<redundantcc> Which was the goal to avoid the weird error with float rounding |
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<redundantcc> As stated previously |
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<greenxenith> Ok but just dont divide |
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<greenxenith> Want a clean index? Dont divide. Use the microsecond integer. |
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<greenxenith> 6 digits of precision |
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<greenxenith> right there |
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<redundantcc> Green does the division change the numbers, does it make it more accurate? Then that's not the bloody point. |
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<redundantcc> I need more numbers, that's all |
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<redundantcc> The significant digits don't change I need to call that does change them |
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<luatic> you don't need more numbers |
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<greenxenith> You already have enough numbers |
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<warr1024> If the amount of time your functions are taking isn't enough, just make them slower. |
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<nathan4220776> The numbers, C! What do they mean? |
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<luatic> if you really want an index, just autoincrement an integer? |
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<greenxenith> Probably not the point |
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<redundantcc> I hate reusing a joke but it's a good joke https://youtu.be/IsvIdcmMybI |
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<warr1024> tbh this "I need more numbers and cannot coherently explain why" business is bordering on Rule 2 spam at this point, especially in a bridged channel where IRC and Matrix users have to listen to this too. |
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<redundantcc> Didn't want to cross post in the first place, but your admin kept asking |
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<warr1024> Just don't bring it up again and you won't have people calling you out on it. |
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<greenxenith> Dont put words in my mouth, I did not ask you to cross post, and you started this by asking for a precise time function continuing a conversation from elsewhere |
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<redundantcc> Look forget it, I'll just require secure mod and lose the contest cuz I have to put a tag for complex installation |
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<redundantcc> Having this conversation especially on the IRC Bridge, it's no longer productive |
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<redundantcc> Just forget I asked |
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<nathan4220776> That's the spirit! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
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<greenxenith> Im moving this back to #development |
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<greenxenith> Sincerest apologies to IRC and Matrix folks |
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I heard someone said bad stuff about IRC |
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not cool |
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<nathan4220776> Says the person whose name is "ireallyhateirc". ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
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<warr1024> "I really hate IRC" isn't necessarily something bad about IRC. You could be the type of person who only hates stuff that's really good, so you hating it is actually high praise. |
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i hate discord and will not use it |
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