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Does anybody have any reference material for how to derive rgb from the VoxeLibre dye colors? I find the whole mcl_dye content baffling. |
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sfan5: regarding: |
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const BlockMakeData *data. Access to a variable should only be granted as much as needed. |
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repetitivestrain |
the compiler can easily infer that data is never altered in this context. |
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and: |
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repetitivestrain |
Shouldn't v3s16 extra_borders(1, 1, 1); (possibly as constexpr static variable) be used here? Otherwise it is not clear whether there's always one refDrop for each refGrab. |
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repetitivestrain |
i think the relationship between extra_borders and the loops in finishBlockMake and cancelBlockMake is quite manifest |
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repetitivestrain |
Also, is smalljoker in this channel? |
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MTDiscord |
<corarona> just dropping in to confirm that I have been seeing the "couldn't grab block we generated" message now and then since like forever both in "normal" mcla mapgen and lua mapgens |
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MTDiscord |
<corarona> it's definitely a thing |
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<wsor4035> cora is responding to > The engine repetitiously generating chunks that have already been reported to register_on_generated callbacks after "couldn't grab block we just generated" |
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repetitivestrain: why are you pinging me to respond to a review comment that isn't even mine? |
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repetitivestrain |
sfan5: i cannot find the author of those comments in this channel |
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sfan5 |
that's not my problem |
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sfan5 |
also his nick on IRC is Krock |
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repetitivestrain |
well long story short i'm approaching the only person i know who is regularly here and a minetest developer to boot |
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repetitivestrain |
but okay |
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i'll bear that in mind |
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[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> the matrix name for #minetest-irc:matrix.org is "minetest irc" which is outdated |
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<birdlover32767> it kinda suggests that this is only for versions 5.9.0 and below (okay that's not really an issue) |
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<Bracket> luantirc |
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pgimeno |
are there any plans to ban UK users from the forum? |
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sfan5 |
i don't think so |
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pgimeno |
has there been any discussion on the new UK online safety act? |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> rubenwardy is aware |
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sfan5 |
internally, yes |
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rubenwardy |
ContentDB is complying with the UK OSA |
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rubenwardy |
I am not responsible for other services |
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rubenwardy |
They may need to block UK users |
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pgimeno |
ok, I saw this and was concerned: https://blog.janitorai.com/posts/3/ - apparently it's very difficult for something like a forum to comply |
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<Blockhead256> the forum is in another country, or do I recall something that says anything that can be used used by UK users is bound to it? |
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sfan5 |
ah yeah right the discussion was about CDB |
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rubenwardy |
The OSA applies to all websites worldwide. But if it's hosted outside the UK, the only enforcement they can do is blocking the site |
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pgimeno |
in that post they talk about criminal liability |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> We don't intend to ban UK users from any of our services, but we can't control how things go the other way around. |
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<Blockhead256> do they really want to take celeron55 to court? |
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rubenwardy |
Yes I have criminal liability if ContentDB doesn't follow the OSA |
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rubenwardy |
It was a lot of work to do ContentDB. The forum has private messaging which is quite a concerning feature |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> the absolute nanny state of the UK. Not a good nanny either, the spiteful type |
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rubenwardy |
I'd be a little concerned that they might try to hold me responsible for the forums even though I don't administer them, purely due to being a UK luanti staff member |
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<Blockhead256> does the scope of it cover forum PMs? |
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rubenwardy |
Yes |
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rubenwardy |
That's a big risk factor and would result in a higher risk rating |
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celeron55 |
phpbb is super annoying in this. it doesn't even have a mode where users could only PM moderators |
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celeron55 |
PMs are either on or off |
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<Blockhead256> yeah I unfortunately can't say I'm surprised with phpBB |
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celeron55 |
phpbb needs to be thrown in the trash and burned |
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celeron55 |
it's not for the modern world |
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rubenwardy |
Ihere's the forum post where I announced CDB OSA compliance: https://forum.luanti.org/viewtopic.php?t=31431 |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> The main use case for PMs is being able to reach moderators, right? I suppose you can't just turn them off because users may need to be able to contact you privately and can't necessarily use a different mdium |
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rubenwardy |
a key resource is this site: https://onlinesafetyact.co.uk/ |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> tbh the whole thing seems like a good reason to reconsider having extradition treaties with the UK. |
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celeron55 |
i definitely don't want minors to be sending or responding to PMs on the forums. this is completely unrelated to the UK |
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rubenwardy |
let's not act all high and mighty, there are masked men kidnapping people off the streets in the US and sending them to concentration camps and bad prisons in other countries |
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celeron55 |
it's just that i literally can't set up that restriction |
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so i'm just wishing everyone good luck |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> we could consider turning PMs off |
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celeron55 |
i suppose I could ask an LLM to implement that to phpbb for me |
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celeron55 |
and stop updating phpbb |
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rubenwardy |
Yeah, and rely on emails to communicate with moderators |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> there are only two dozen other platforms to contact people on |
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pgimeno |
celeron55: what about migrating to a forum that allows importing phpBB, like MyBB? |
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celeron55 |
if you're requesting me to do disable PMs on the forum, i'll do it right away |
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celeron55 |
please confirm |
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rubenwardy |
This would make the OSA assessment slightly easier but that only matters if you intend to do the OSA assessment |
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celeron55 |
i don't have any hope of passing it with phpbb regardless of anything |
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celeron55 |
so no, i'm only doing my own assesment |
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celeron55 |
assessment* |
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pgimeno |
there's this in case UK users are interested: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/722903 |
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celeron55 |
pgimeno: do you have a magic wand? because it'd be great if the forum just migrated to something better just like that |
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celeron55 |
the one thing i hate more than phpbb is migrating web stuff |
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rubenwardy |
yeah there would be some required things to implement after the assessment. Like reporting needs (1) upfront time frame (2) info on who sees reports (3) the ability to keep up to date with a report and be informed on its conclusion |
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celeron55 |
i'll just start unchecking forum features one by one every month and finally when there are no features left i'll ask someone to scrape up the content before i switch it off? |
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celeron55 |
the LLM fork of phpbb sounds somewhat fun though |
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rubenwardy |
I feel like that's the true aim of OSA |
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celeron55 |
maybe i need to test it |
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rubenwardy |
big tech love regulation because it increases the barriers of entry |
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rubenwardy |
everyone will end up on Discord rather than running community forums |
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celeron55 |
definitely |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> get in contact with the 1700 regular "users", I'm sure they have several complete copies |
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pgimeno |
celeron55: well I offer myself with checking the viability of the migration and if it's viable, to help perform it (if I'm given access) |
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pgimeno |
just let me know if I should try, or that's a no go |
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celeron55 |
pgimeno: i think checking the viability of the migration would be a good service to the community |
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pgimeno |
okay |
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rubenwardy |
although if the forums is constantly 502 then it doesn't need to comply with the OSA |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> haha |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> what does mybb tangably have over phpbb? from some googling it looks like ui/ux changes, and the ecosystem of plugins arent? compatible |
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pgimeno |
I'll tell you when I check phpBB, finishing installation right now, but yeah, the plugins aren't compatible |
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pgimeno |
I believe the admin control parent is much more powerful in myBB |
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pgimeno |
panel* |
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celeron55 |
phpbb doesn't have many useful up-to-date plugins so the plugin system isn't of any value |
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celeron55 |
thttps://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_e4fae120-b667-4240-acbb-5d0c8cb9b174 |
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celeron55 |
* https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_e4fae120-b667-4240-acbb-5d0c8cb9b174 |
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celeron55 |
it's pretty interesting what LLM can do these days |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> isnt reporting on the forum still broken? lol |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> the forum is broken, but if you know the special sauce, you can send it to the right URI |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> *the form |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> that broke when we fixed some other thing |
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bgstack15 |
Pleas don't get rid of the forum. I realize you might want to change backends, but I like the searchable/indexable forum. It's less ephemeral than a chat room. |
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ireallyhateirc |
nuking the forum would be funny |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> I'm struggling to see the humour |
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bgstack15 |
Well, apparently somebody dumped a "Minetest Game wiki", and dumping the forum would just be in line with that, I suppose. |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> having the forums taken down and released as a SQL dump would be equivalent.. yeah |
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