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00:41 bgstack15 Does anybody have any reference material for how to derive rgb from the VoxeLibre dye colors? I find the whole mcl_dye content baffling.
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02:02 repetitivestrain sfan5: regarding:
02:02 repetitivestrain const BlockMakeData *data.  Access to a variable should only be granted as much as needed.
02:02 repetitivestrain the compiler can easily infer that data is never altered in this context.
02:03 repetitivestrain and:
02:03 repetitivestrain Shouldn't v3s16 extra_borders(1, 1, 1);  (possibly as constexpr static variable) be used here?  Otherwise it is not clear whether there's always one refDrop for each refGrab.
02:03 repetitivestrain i think the relationship between extra_borders and the loops in finishBlockMake and cancelBlockMake is quite manifest
02:03 repetitivestrain Also, is smalljoker in this channel?
02:14 MTDiscord <corarona> just dropping in to confirm that I have been seeing the "couldn't grab block we generated" message  now and then since like forever both in "normal" mcla mapgen and lua mapgens
02:14 MTDiscord <corarona> it's definitely a thing
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02:43 MTDiscord <wsor4035> cora is responding to  > The engine repetitiously generating chunks that have already been reported to register_on_generated callbacks after "couldn't grab block we just generated"
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08:29 sfan5 repetitivestrain: why are you pinging me to respond to a review comment that isn't even mine?
08:29 repetitivestrain sfan5: i cannot find the author of those comments in this channel
08:29 sfan5 that's not my problem
08:30 sfan5 also his nick on IRC is Krock
08:30 repetitivestrain well long story short i'm approaching the only person i know who is regularly here and a minetest developer to boot
08:30 repetitivestrain but okay
08:30 repetitivestrain i'll bear that in mind
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10:11 [MatrxMT] <birdlover32767> the matrix name for #minetest-irc:matrix.org is "minetest irc" which is outdated
10:12 [MatrxMT] <birdlover32767> it kinda suggests that this is only for versions 5.9.0 and below (okay that's not really an issue)
10:24 [MatrxMT] <Bracket> luantirc
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14:41 pgimeno are there any plans to ban UK users from the forum?
14:42 sfan5 i don't think so
14:44 pgimeno has there been any discussion on the new UK online safety act?
14:44 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> rubenwardy is aware
14:44 sfan5 internally, yes
14:45 rubenwardy ContentDB is complying with the UK OSA
14:45 rubenwardy I am not responsible for other services
14:45 rubenwardy They may need to block UK users
14:46 pgimeno ok, I saw this and was concerned: https://blog.janitorai.com/posts/3/ - apparently it's very difficult for something like a forum to comply
14:47 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> the forum is in another country, or do I recall something that says anything that can be used used by UK users is bound to it?
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14:47 sfan5 ah yeah right the discussion was about CDB
14:47 rubenwardy The OSA applies to all websites worldwide. But if it's hosted outside the UK, the only enforcement they can do is blocking the site
14:48 pgimeno in that post they talk about criminal liability
14:48 MTDiscord <warr1024> We don't intend to ban UK users from any of our services, but we can't control how things go the other way around.
14:48 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> do they really want to take celeron55 to court?
14:48 rubenwardy Yes I have criminal liability if ContentDB doesn't follow the OSA
14:49 rubenwardy It was a lot of work to do ContentDB. The forum has private messaging which is quite a concerning feature
14:49 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> the absolute nanny state of the UK. Not a good nanny either, the spiteful type
14:50 rubenwardy I'd be a little concerned that they might try to hold me responsible for the forums even though I don't administer them, purely due to being a UK luanti staff member
14:51 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> does the scope of it cover forum PMs?
14:51 rubenwardy Yes
14:51 rubenwardy That's a big risk factor and would result in a higher risk rating
14:51 celeron55 phpbb is super annoying in this. it doesn't even have a mode where users could only PM moderators
14:51 celeron55 PMs are either on or off
14:52 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> yeah I unfortunately can't say I'm surprised with phpBB
14:52 celeron55 phpbb needs to be thrown in the trash and burned
14:52 celeron55 it's not for the modern world
14:52 rubenwardy Ihere's the forum post where I announced CDB OSA compliance: https://forum.luanti.org/viewtopic.php?t=31431
14:52 MTDiscord <warr1024> The main use case for PMs is being able to reach moderators, right?  I suppose you can't just turn them off because users may need to be able to contact you privately and can't necessarily use a different mdium
14:52 rubenwardy a key resource is this site: https://onlinesafetyact.co.uk/
14:53 MTDiscord <warr1024> tbh the whole thing seems like a good reason to reconsider having extradition treaties with the UK.
14:55 celeron55 i definitely don't want minors to be sending or responding to PMs on the forums. this is completely unrelated to the UK
14:55 rubenwardy let's not act all high and mighty, there are masked men kidnapping people off the streets in the US and sending them to concentration camps and bad prisons in other countries
14:55 celeron55 it's just that i literally can't set up that restriction
14:55 celeron55 so i'm just wishing everyone good luck
14:56 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> we could consider turning PMs off
14:56 celeron55 i suppose I could ask an LLM to implement that to phpbb for me
14:56 celeron55 and stop updating phpbb
14:56 rubenwardy Yeah, and rely on emails to communicate with moderators
14:56 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> there are only two dozen other platforms to contact people on
14:57 pgimeno celeron55: what about migrating to a forum that allows importing phpBB, like MyBB?
14:57 celeron55 if you're requesting me to do disable PMs on the forum, i'll do it right away
14:57 celeron55 please confirm
14:57 rubenwardy This would make the OSA assessment slightly easier but that only matters if you intend to do the OSA assessment
14:59 celeron55 i don't have any hope of passing it with phpbb regardless of anything
14:59 celeron55 so no, i'm only doing my own assesment
14:59 celeron55 assessment*
15:00 pgimeno there's this in case UK users are interested: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/722903
15:00 celeron55 pgimeno: do you have a magic wand? because it'd be great if the forum just migrated to something better just like that
15:00 celeron55 the one thing i hate more than phpbb is migrating web stuff
15:01 rubenwardy yeah there would be some required things to implement after the assessment. Like reporting needs (1) upfront time frame (2) info on who sees reports (3) the ability to keep up to date with a report and be informed on its conclusion
15:02 celeron55 i'll just start unchecking forum features one by one every month and finally when there are no features left i'll ask someone to scrape up the content before i switch it off?
15:02 celeron55 the LLM fork of phpbb sounds somewhat fun though
15:03 rubenwardy I feel like that's the true aim of OSA
15:03 celeron55 maybe i need to test it
15:03 rubenwardy big tech love regulation because it increases the barriers of entry
15:03 rubenwardy everyone will end up on Discord rather than running community forums
15:03 celeron55 definitely
15:03 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> get in contact with the 1700 regular "users", I'm sure they have several complete copies
15:03 pgimeno celeron55: well I offer myself with checking the viability of the migration and if it's viable, to help perform it (if I'm given access)
15:05 pgimeno just let me know if I should try, or that's a no go
15:05 celeron55 pgimeno: i think checking the viability of the migration would be a good service to the community
15:06 pgimeno okay
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15:41 rubenwardy although if the forums is constantly 502 then it doesn't need to comply with the OSA
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16:12 MTDiscord <rollerozxa> haha
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16:23 MTDiscord <wsor4035> what does mybb tangably have over phpbb? from some googling it looks like ui/ux changes, and the ecosystem of plugins arent? compatible
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17:00 pgimeno I'll tell you when I check phpBB, finishing installation right now, but yeah, the plugins aren't compatible
17:02 pgimeno I believe the admin control parent is much more powerful in myBB
17:02 pgimeno panel*
17:04 celeron55 phpbb doesn't have many useful up-to-date plugins so the plugin system isn't of any value
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17:18 celeron55 thttps://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_e4fae120-b667-4240-acbb-5d0c8cb9b174
17:18 celeron55 * https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_e4fae120-b667-4240-acbb-5d0c8cb9b174
17:18 celeron55 it's pretty interesting what LLM can do these days
17:19 MTDiscord <wsor4035> isnt reporting on the forum still broken? lol
17:20 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> the forum is broken, but if you know the special sauce, you can send it to the right URI
17:20 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> *the form
17:20 MTDiscord <wsor4035> that broke when we fixed some other thing
17:33 bgstack15 Pleas don't get rid of the forum. I realize you might want to change backends, but I like the searchable/indexable forum. It's less ephemeral than a chat room.
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17:39 ireallyhateirc nuking the forum would be funny
17:40 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> I'm struggling to see the humour
17:41 bgstack15 Well, apparently somebody dumped a "Minetest Game wiki", and dumping the forum would just be in line with that, I suppose.
17:41 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> having the forums taken down and released as a SQL dump would be equivalent.. yeah
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