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repetitivestrain |
luatic: regarding https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/pull/16458, would it be possible to batch particlespawners too? |
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cheapie |
In today's episode of "I hope this bug never gets fixed", using https://content.luanti.org/packages/shaft/tables_chairs/ together with signs_bot results in the bot flap being misidentified as a type of wood and furniture based on that being registered |
| 04:03 |
cheapie |
The reason I hope it never gets fixed is that the bot flap table actually looks quite nice :P https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/screenshot_20250830_230238.png |
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MTDiscord |
<et086> lol |
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cheapie |
It also ends up registering furniture made from the techage TA1 sluice gate if techage is installed, in both cases I think it's because those nodes are in the "wood" group |
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MTDiscord |
<et086> i think thats a bug on techage, not on that mod |
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cheapie |
probably |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> bug is group |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> the bug is that group:wood does not have a super clear meaning. It probably means "whole node of wood", but might be interpreted differently |
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MTDiscord |
<et086> and yes |
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Krock |
celeron55: might you see a benefit of integrating https://github.com/TecharoHQ/anubis / https://git.gammaspectra.live/git/go-away to the Luanti Forums? That could remove some load induced by LLM crawlers |
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Krock |
I'm mentioning this because the forums are unreachable again. Although this time with a gateway timeout |
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MTDiscord |
<the4spaceconstants2181> yeah should've been wooden |
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MTDiscord |
<the4spaceconstants2181> [to Blockhead256] ^ |
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luatic |
repetitivestrain: of course, i do want to get to that, but for now i'd want to keep the PR just for particles; once it is merged i'll do particlespawners |
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celeron55 |
i took grok's mention of anubis as inspiration to finally update nixos and configure the forum to use anubis as the primary overload prevention mechanism |
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celeron55 |
grok's? ok, i used too much grok to do this but i mean Krock's |
| 14:51 |
celeron55 |
(and yes, i get the irony) |
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Krock |
Sorry, I am unable to handle your requestion at this moment. Please retry later again. I hope this message found you helpful. |
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celeron55 |
2025: ask a bot for guidance on how to prevent bots from crawling a website |
| 14:51 |
celeron55 |
i wonder what 2026 is going to be like |
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Krock |
hmm the forum is a litte more alive than before. At least that's a plus |
| 14:52 |
Krock |
thank you for the roll-out. let's hope this fixes the issues |
| 14:52 |
celeron55 |
i removed a lot of rate limiting i the hopes that it isn't needed anymore |
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celeron55 |
in* |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> petition to replace anubis with sam |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> tt-forums have an OpenTTD screenshot on theirs |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> zomg the funny anubis mascot is on the forums now |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> was it just me or was that challenge really hard? |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> good thing I don't browse the forums on my phone these days |
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MTDiscord |
<et086> ok but if you see https://anubis.techaro.lol/docs/funding they don't really want you replacing the branding of anubis |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> well I guess somebody could draw an anubis skin and put it on the player API model.. unlikely... |
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MTDiscord |
<et086> i mean you can still do it, its just they dont want you to |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> it's funny how now with the anubis in front the number of online users on the forums is in the single digits |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> lol |
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MTDiscord |
<et086> lol |
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[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> anubis is taking loong to load |
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[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> oh it loaded |
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[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> only 1 guest on the forums 0_0 |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> yea I don't know why even loading the assets for the anubis challenge is so slow |
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celeron55 |
let's not worry about that. it works and that's more than i expected to achieve |
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[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> the assets loaded for me but the test was stuck at "Loading..." for a while |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> 🎉 |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> if it says "Loading..." then it's still loading the assets (including the actual code that does the PoW challenge) |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> but once that is loaded the challenge gets solved in like seconds for me... |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> Bing and Google still there. It's almost like it's not going to affect humans getting the information in any way |
| 15:04 |
[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> i though you were talking about the anubis character image |
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MTDiscord |
<et086> well amazing that the forums work now |
| 15:07 |
celeron55 |
the cpu load dropped into ridiculously low numbers. it's a 2 core system and had grown since the beginning of this year from about 60% to constant 100-200%. now it's 25% |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> crazy |
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celeron55 |
let's hope this does't mean legitimate users aren't getting blocked too much but as far as i understand any modern browser should be able to pass the test. the bad thing is, it won't take many years until the bots will start running compatible browsers, but let's enjoy for now |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> yes, let's enjoy the victory while we have it |
| 15:15 |
celeron55 |
i do think it's a bit silly to be marketing anubis with its loading screen, but as long as it's an open source project and their branding is somewhat tasteful, i like the fact that it essentially publicizes the issue |
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[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> i wonder how much the "sleeping" spam accounts will increase after this |
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[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> imo a simple way to decrease them is to disallow "com" at the end of an username |
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[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> maybe include net or similar domain extensions too |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> only people who actually check the member list even know it's a problem. I don't go there personally |
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[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> does SEO even work that way anymore? |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> I think the anubis mascot is cute and am generally happy to see it whenever I get to see it on various websites now |
| 15:20 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> don't think it being at the front of the verification screen should be much of an issue |
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celeron55 |
there's a possibility filtering bots like this will be bad SEO for luanti, but we do have the github-hosted main and docs sites which will probably keep serving all the bots |
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celeron55 |
so if someone is programming a mod using an ai tool, it can still get the documentation. i think that's fair |
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Sokomine |
oh. the mt forum is broken for me :-( |
| 15:29 |
Sokomine |
i'm already a legitimate user beeing blocked |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> can you not use something with javascript? |
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lemonzest |
works fine here, first load took ages but now its fast again |
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lemonzest |
using vivaldi |
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Sokomine |
irks! js is bad. the legitimate usages are so small... |
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lemonzest |
(chromium based) |
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[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> this feels like a legitimate usage |
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Sokomine |
now i allowed js, hoping it would only need that for login. but then it complains about not beeing able to set a cookie. which is strange - of course the forum is allowed to set them. i'm logged in (or was...) |
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celeron55 |
Sokomine: try changing your user agent to something that doesn't contain the word "Mozilla". anubis provides this workaround for when you don't want to run javascript |
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[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> do you whitelist which sites can use cookies |
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Sokomine |
ah. was still getting minetest-domain cookies - and the luanti domain was blocked |
| 15:35 |
Sokomine |
aah! thank you, celeron! |
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celeron55 |
the future of the human internet will be full of these kinds of workarounds to keep the bots away but allow legitimate users... we're going to have to get used to it |
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celeron55 |
Sokomine: does it work? |
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celeron55 |
at least wget works fine without any cookies or prep of any kind, as it has a non-Mozilla user agent |
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gideonstar |
pikachu! https://imgpaste.gideonstar.de/i/nkB5.jpg |
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Sokomine |
thanks, celeron55! that helped. it works fine again |
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Sokomine |
yes, i decided on wget as well even before reading your comment about that in particular. seemed most logical |
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celeron55 |
that might of course break some websites but probably not the ones you're using |
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celeron55 |
(if it does, there's no way there isn't an add-on which allows setting a custom user agent per website... yeah, it's stupid... but the future will be even more stupid, trust me) |
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Sokomine |
yes, i've installed a user agent switcher. so far wget seems to work fine for most sites |
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rubenwardy |
It's sad how much the open web is being broken by grifters |
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rubenwardy |
Like how an RSS feed in my feed reader wasn't working because the site was blocking my mobile data ip address |
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rubenwardy |
Was serving a cloudfare captcha page |
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MTDiscord |
<the4spaceconstants2181> ideally we'd allow bots but disallow spam in general |
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sfan5 |
rubenwardy: configuration error on the website owner's part IMO |
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sfan5 |
assuming this isn't just cloudflare doing it behind their back |
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sfan5 |
never used it so I wouldn't know |
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Krock |
@the4spaceconstants2181 Excessive crawling/scraping is the issue, spam not so much. |
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rubenwardy |
Agreed but still |
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rubenwardy |
Feeds are quite neglected, is a shame |
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sfan5 |
celeron55: did you remove the normal ratelimit from the forum? it still seems quite slow |
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MTDiscord |
<the4spaceconstants2181> excessive unwanted action is still technically spam |
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sfan5 |
if it's still active I would at least bump it by 4x or so |
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Krock |
it feels rather responsive to me |
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sfan5 |
might be that I loaded it with an empty cache |
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identity |
the4spaceconstants2181: that would be flooding, spam is specifically adverts |
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MTDiscord |
<the4spaceconstants2181> then I mean what you mean by that term |
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