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Delimitor |
Yeah, guess it was pretty unclear. Not sure how to put it; basically I would like to make mods for Luanti that assist with 3D modeling for CAD, so items in-game/in-engine may be exported as a 3D-print file to print. This way any STL or similar CAD file may be imported, modified intuitively in-engine [inside a 'game' like Minetest Game for Luanti], |
| 01:06 |
Delimitor |
then exported to use with a 3D printer. The use case in mind for such a feature is ease-of-use in making 3D-printable parts / objects (converting meticulous CAD work into something more like playing a game). Was mainly asking if anybody was interested, and if anybody knows if there are existing projects/tools provide such functionality, or knows |
| 01:06 |
Delimitor |
somebody who might be interested in collaborating to build one. |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> pretty sure 3d printers and luanti has been done before. if not always welsh? or whatever that mod is to export luanti world parts as a 3d model |
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Delimitor |
I think I've used that mod before, was not very intuitive IMO. Might check it out again just to make sure... |
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Delimitor |
Found 'FDM' Cube, learned how to use WorldEdit; with that in combination with the Meshport mod, it appears to be very possible to make 3D objects in Luanti already. There seems to be a slight problem with this however; it requires using commands, does anybody know of an intuitive version; maybe where instead of commands, its some in-hand tools that |
| 01:56 |
Delimitor |
show in advance what is to be done; like if its the //sphere command it might instead be an interactive sphere tool that shows the sphere in some kind of ghost blocks while one adjusts its size and in-world position? |
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| 07:14 |
Krock |
Where did the Minetest Game documentation go? https://wiki.minetest.net/Ores#Ores_overview does no longer exist |
| 07:15 |
Krock |
was it lost during the "migration"? |
| 07:15 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> yes, the migration to docs.luanti.org left out the Minetest Game docs |
| 07:15 |
Krock |
hmm that sucks. I remember having a good overview about the MTG contents there |
| 07:16 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> there's an archive download of the wiki but I can't remember where |
| 07:16 |
Krock |
wayback machine I guess |
| 07:16 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> `doc` mod does a decent job when in-game |
| 07:16 |
MTDiscord |
<.zenonseth> there's at least game api docs here: https://github.com/luanti-org/minetest_game/blob/master/game_api.txt |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> https://forum.luanti.org/viewtopic.php?p=445571#p445571 |
| 07:16 |
Krock |
https://web.archive.org/web/20240313025136/https://wiki.minetest.net/Ores |
| 07:17 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> I mean https://github.com/rollerozxa/mt-wiki-dumping-ground |
| 07:17 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> the wayback machine probably won't have the wikitext |
| 07:19 |
Krock |
good to have that backup. thanks. Unfortunately it's not very user-friendly in this format |
| 07:19 |
Krock |
moving it to the Minetest Game Wiki (GitHub page) might be possible, though? |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> that's probably markdown and not wikitext, two different languages |
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Krock |
converters :3 |
| 09:16 |
Krock |
"Convert this to CommonMark, GitHub flavoured. Make no mistakes. Use as few tokens as possible." |
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pgimeno |
ISTR the github wiki accepted mediawiki format |
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pgimeno |
https://docs.github.com/en/communities/documenting-your-project-with-wikis/adding-or-editing-wiki-pages#adding-wiki-pages |
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pgimeno |
IIRC depending on the extension, it could be read as MediaWiki markup. Not 100% sure but it might be .mwi |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> pandoc can convert wikitext to markdown, see wiki2md in my mt-wiki-dumping-ground repo |
| 11:06 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> the primary issue that made us not do anything with the MTG content on the wiki was how much it relied on mediawiki templates and such |
| 11:06 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> There very briefly was a mtg repo, but once crafting recipes where remove there was nest to nothing left so it was deleted |
| 11:07 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> yeah crafting recipes, infoboxes, navboxes and the summary pages were all mediawiki template stuff. and the remaining info was... very little |
| 11:08 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> see this gist for an example of a MTG wiki page converted to markdown: https://gist.github.com/rollerozxa/78fb38c270502f5ae2079f613dfe9cad |
| 11:12 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> to be clear there is no reason you couldn't recreate all the templates in a static site generator. but it's work that nobody seemed to be interested in. crafting recipes and such are IMO better suited for in-game mods that retrieve it directly from the mods you have registered. other info about items and nodes may also be interesting to put into an encyclopedia-like book item accessible in-game - all wiki contents are CC-BY-SA 3.0 |
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MTDiscord |
licensed iirc |
| 11:16 |
Krock |
@rollerozxa well.. I figured as much with pandoc. However, Error at "Minetest+Wiki-20230925142325.xml" (line 116672, column 1): unexpected end of inpu |
| 11:16 |
Krock |
t |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> uh? |
| 11:17 |
Krock |
perhaps pandoc isn't meant to convert the entire xml? :3 |
| 11:17 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> you can't feed the XML directly into pandoc, you'll need to split it up for each article |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> yeah. it's just mediawiki's raw XML export format. it also only contains the last revision of each page as I could not do a full export without the wiki server timing out |
| 11:20 |
Krock |
hmm.. is there any convenient tool to do that? |
| 11:21 |
Krock |
most helpful StackOverflow answer https://stackoverflow.com/a/43958996 |
| 11:21 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> there might be something to work with mediawiki XML exports, but I tend to just use some XML parser library in python |
| 11:22 |
Krock |
thanks GitHUb. viewing a Gist in the raw format gives 400: Invalid request |
| 11:28 |
Krock |
pandoc properly converts the images (in tables) to HTML inside a markdown table but then decides to wrap the text, which breaks the HTML. good job. |
| 11:29 |
Krock |
actually no. that's an issue with my markdown viewer |
| 11:33 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> I do wish celeron55 could make the full wiki data accessible... my dumping ground repo was basically just supposed to be a best-effort backup of what I had from running the wiki.minetest.land proxy and doing data exports with Special:Export. neither of which I can guarantee are complete backups |
| 11:33 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> mediawiki makes it a bit difficult to back up a wiki. there is no "export all pages" checkbox, and there is no page to get a list of all pages across all namespaces, Special:AllPages is paginated and you can only see pages for a namespace at a time. and Special:Export will not do anything for exporting images |
| 11:34 |
Krock |
they might not want people to switch to another solution :3 |
| 11:36 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> potentially... |
| 11:37 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> I mean mediawiki predates markdown, and I'm sure there are other things with mediawiki that are the way they are because... it's just always been like that |
| 11:39 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> apparently there is a CLI maintenance script dumpBackup.php that c55 could run to get a more complete XML backup than the one I got: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:DumpBackup.php |
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Krock |
https://github.com/luanti-org/minetest_game/wiki/Ores |
| 11:45 |
Krock |
copy & paste of the mediawiki page into the github editor |
| 11:46 |
Krock |
added as .mediawiki file, directly. |
| 11:46 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> oh interesting, so github's wiki does support wikitext directly? |
| 11:46 |
Krock |
YES |
| 11:46 |
Krock |
mass import coming soon |
| 11:47 |
celeron55 |
let's see |
| 11:48 |
celeron55 |
dumpBackup.php is at least printing lots of warnings so it's definitely doing something |
| 11:57 |
celeron55 |
it generated a 1.9 million line XML file |
| 11:59 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> sounds like a good sign |
| 11:59 |
celeron55 |
ok so who wants this? |
| 12:00 |
celeron55 |
are we on the same page about the publishability of this? I'm still wary of the-who-shall-not-be-named using accurate backup data like this for his scams so I'd rather share privately |
| 12:01 |
celeron55 |
i'm fine with it if someone extracts the minetest_game content from this and publishes that in whatever form, but publishing the entire thing as-is seems unwise |
| 12:02 |
Krock |
Imported the most important MTG pages to https://github.com/luanti-org/minetest_game/wiki/ |
| 12:03 |
Krock |
though yet no images. Would be great if the ones from the main repo could be used here |
| 12:04 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> unless I'm totally off about what dumpbackup.php exports, it should only dump publicly available data exportable from Special:Export. and he-who-shall-not-be-named seems to have already done his own export of the wiki that he has imported into his own |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> you can send it to me privately if you want me to check. but ideally it should be safe to just put up onto archive.org in the end |
| 12:11 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> oh interesting... there was already a wikiteam backup of the wiki in november of 2024: https://archive.org/details/wiki-wiki.minetest.net-20241014 |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> images included... I'm not sure how their mediawiki export tooling works because I've never gotten it to work myself |
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celeron55 |
i sent it to you on discord now |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> now that I found a dump of the wiki from november (like a month before we replaced it with the docs site?) that is much more complete than my own, I'm not sure if there is much more page revisions past that. but it seems safe to publish, at least |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> https://github.com/luanti-org/docs.luanti.org/issues/199#issuecomment-4826154607 |
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