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| 00:03 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> farribeiro: can you get a backtrace? i can grep for clamps in the last couple commits and i have some callsites i suspect but it would be helpful to know which one it really is. |
| 00:07 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> ok i have a likely culprit |
| 00:08 |
Sheriff_U3 |
amazing how engine development has moved over here... |
| 00:29 |
MTDiscord |
Command sent from Discord by luatic: |
| 00:29 |
MTDiscord |
!tell farribeiro|irccl please try #17306 |
| 00:29 |
MinetestBot |
MTDiscord: I'll pass that on when farribeiro|irccl is around |
| 00:29 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/17306 -- Fix remaining issues with multi-track animations by appgurueu |
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| 01:25 |
farribeiro|irccl |
commented at #17306 |
| 01:25 |
MinetestBot |
farribeiro|irccl: Jun-30 00:29 UTC <MTDiscord> please try #17306 |
| 01:25 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/17306 -- Fix remaining issues with multi-track animations by appgurueu |
| 01:25 |
farribeiro|irccl |
LGTM |
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MinetestBot |
[git] cx384 -> luanti-org/luanti: Formspec: Fix model element flickering 87eed0b https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/87eed0b860272eca592a54cc1a4227f1b46640b7 (2026-06-30T13:42:06Z) |
| 13:43 |
MinetestBot |
[git] cx384 -> luanti-org/luanti: HUD: Use smart pointers to store elements 6744c6c https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/6744c6c03036bc1572f1504d7fe57398ab75c50c (2026-06-30T13:42:29Z) |
| 13:43 |
MinetestBot |
[git] cx384 -> luanti-org/luanti: HUD: Divorce SSM and CSM 99a609d https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/99a609d9d6da8c52ee83120bf7da03312d4b7a21 (2026-06-30T13:42:29Z) |
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| 16:47 |
Bombo |
is 'load_mod_foo = mods/foo' in world.mt still valid? or just '= true' which is better? i noticed i get an error when i got a different dir than ~/.minetest, i use ~/luanti/ with LUANTI_MOD_PATH="/home/luanti/luanti", it complains (ERROR) that it can't find mods/foo, but found it nevertheless in ~/luanti/mods/foo |
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| 16:50 |
Krock |
Bombo: = true selects whatever mod is found first. The other notation is a clear identifier. If you replace LUANTI_MOD_PATH with MINETEST_MOD_PATH, does it show a warning? |
| 16:51 |
Krock |
if not, then your Luanti version is either too old or the env var is not applied. |
| 16:52 |
Krock |
chaotic good feature check: `grep LUANTI_MOD_PATH /path/to/luanti` |
| 16:56 |
Krock |
works for me: LUANTI_MOD_PATH=/XXXX/mods/ ./luanti --server --worldname devtest |
| 17:10 |
Bombo |
Krock: with MINETEST_* i get deprecation warning AND error about the mod not found so i switched to LUANTI_* (5.16.1) |
| 17:10 |
Bombo |
but do you have 'load_mod_foo = mods/foo' in world.mt? |
| 17:11 |
Krock |
load_mod_unified_inventory = mods/unified_inventory |
| 17:11 |
Krock |
oh. it did actually find the mod in my ordinary mods/ directory |
| 17:12 |
Krock |
this variable does not work |
| 17:12 |
Krock |
> load_mod_unified_inventory = /XXXXXXXXX/mods/unified_inventory < this does the trick. On startup, Luanti shows the error " However, it is available in the following locations: ...." |
| 17:20 |
Bombo |
yes = true works too, without complains |
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| 18:39 |
Sheriff_U3 |
I kinda wish that there was a list of introduction dates for each of the api's... Attempting to create a program that can parse through a mod and determine what versions of Luanti/Minetest it is compatible with. |
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| 19:18 |
Bombo |
how much does a client need to load before joining a server? is it 'du -sch games/minetest_game/ mods/ worlds/' ? |
| 19:26 |
sfan5 |
the media. that is textures, audio, models |
| 19:27 |
sfan5 |
but it doesn't need to download them every time, because they end up cached |
| 19:27 |
Sheriff_U3 |
so that's why it always takes longer to join the first time... |
| 19:45 |
Bombo |
so *.png *.ogg *.b3d *.obj |
| 19:45 |
Bombo |
but second time it takes time too |
| 19:46 |
Bombo |
how many MB does it load i wonder ;) |
| 19:46 |
Bombo |
or how many MB the client from the cache loads |
| 19:57 |
Krock |
Bombo: https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/blob/master/src/server.cpp#L2669-L2679 |
| 19:58 |
Krock |
so you better remove or rename unused media files because Luanti does not know which one are (or will be used) |
| 20:13 |
Bombo |
ok so all od the supported_ext wil be loaded |
| 20:14 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> not necessarily loaded, but transfered and stored, yes |
| 20:14 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> many things are loaded on demand |
| 20:15 |
Bombo |
hm iirc log says some ogg files are ignored bevause of unsupported characters, artisat - title.ogg for the jukebox ;) |
| 20:16 |
Bombo |
tramsfered from server to client and stored but nut loaded in the clients ram? |
| 20:29 |
Bombo |
did anyone yet make a script to scan a mod and display all textures, like an inventory, but in html? so one could put it on a webserver, to see what exact items this mod contains ;) |
| 20:29 |
Bombo |
prob needs to parse some lua? |
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| 22:12 |
bgstack15 |
Sheriff_U3: I don't know how you feel about AI, but summarizing large datasets like that sounds suited for a computer to me. Parse probably git tags of Luanti/minetest, and then build a lookup table of app version and new/removed API calls. |
| 22:14 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> my suggestion to most modders would be: pick a reasonable target version, then check out the doc/lua_api.md of the luanti version you target via git. |
| 22:15 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> it is possible to do a lot of funky stuff like targeting a new server and an old client but honestly it's mostly nonsense deep down |
| 22:16 |
Sheriff_U3 |
bgstack15: I'm using it for that, I got it to create a update script that can then be run to update a .json file with the needed data |
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| 22:16 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> the way it should be is definitely with clients being only a few versions behind most of the time as is fairly standard for games. unfortunately it isn't for luanti for a variety of reasons. a while ago the update checker was added to at least make users aware of the problem. |
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| 22:18 |
bgstack15 |
luatic: yeah, if you could expect a single doc would have valid info for each point release, that would make that easier. Maybe not even AI would be needed; just a fancy shell script. |
| 22:19 |
Sheriff_U3 |
luatic: I'm wanting a program that can find the min version that a mod requires, it would help me in modernizing a lot of the old mods. But in order to create such a program I needed a list of api's and methods with their introduction and depreciation version numbers. |
| 22:20 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> ah, i see. well, honestly something like what bgstack15 suggested might very well be the way to go. i would even go as far as to suggest an LLM do a (heuristic) static analysis of the code based on that information. |
| 22:21 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> (tools like luacheck can do relatively reliable static analysis for simple scenarios like global namespaces, but they get tripped up by a variety of slightly more tricky ones.) |
| 22:22 |
bgstack15 |
Sheriff_U3: that tool to produce such a report for a mod sounds really neat. If you end up with a script that analyzes minetest code/docs, or at least a json table, would you please publish that for others! And the tool for analyzing a mod too, if possible. |
| 22:23 |
bgstack15 |
"Find your earliest compatible Minetest client here! Step right up! Find out how Grandma's Minetest can run your mod, no need to be shy" |
| 22:23 |
Sheriff_U3 |
What I'm doing currently is having an AI create a python script that parses through every tagged version of lua_api.txt/lua_api.md for new api's and ones that are marked as deprecated/removed. I'm running it against a bunch of mods that I have locally from mt-mods and minetest-mods |
| 22:23 |
bgstack15 |
mod-client-minmaximizer |
| 22:24 |
bgstack15 |
(or would you need mod-server-minmaximizer) |
| 22:24 |
bgstack15 |
since mods run on a server |
| 22:24 |
Sheriff_U3 |
Then that's used in a standalone application in go to find the min and max luanti/minetest versions |
| 22:24 |
bgstack15 |
I'm envious of people who can think in Go. |
| 22:24 |
Sheriff_U3 |
So far it's in very early beta (especially since I only started today). |
| 22:27 |
Sheriff_U3 |
bgstack15: I'm using the AI for creating the program lol. As a test of an AI's ability to create a standalone go package. I've tried them before with luanti mods, but have found that they lack enough knowledge about luanti to be useful. |
| 22:27 |
bgstack15 |
Lol, I'd like to think it's the strict licensing of Luanti mods that kept the copyright expungement engines from ingesting their contents. |
| 22:27 |
Sheriff_U3 |
For the most part it's been feeding it information and cutting out the slop. |
| 22:28 |
bgstack15 |
I suspect that's how computing will end up over the next 10-15 years: it spews out garbage and it's up to the user to whittle it down to the good bits, like sculpting, or Geordi's instructions to make an enemy capable of defeating Data. |
| 22:29 |
Sheriff_U3 |
Same, but I think that it gets thrown off mostly by Luanti's modified lua 5.1 and little quirks + the fact it keeps thinking roblox or minecraft modding instead lol. |
| 22:30 |
Sheriff_U3 |
Another star trek fan? :) |
| 22:30 |
Sheriff_U3 |
I remember that episode quite well :) |
| 22:31 |
bgstack15 |
Oh yeah, I don't have those coding contexts, but I have read recently that since Lua is embedded into things and not really updated like a single app should be, apps tend to add their own quirks. They don't have need to update to Lua x+.1 because even Lua doesn't really deal with backwards compatibility. |
| 22:31 |
bgstack15 |
Yes. I was hoping you'd get the reference. I suppose not everybody into free software is also into Star Trek, but nerdy interests tend to overlap somewhat. |
| 22:32 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> 5.2 was a big break in compatibility, plus then LuaJIT is faster and never went past 5.1, which meant it was basically impossible for many engine devs who embed Lua in their games to want to update. I think 5.3 and above weren't quite as bad |
| 22:32 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> *they never wanted to update because they didn't want to break their users' mods or give up performance |
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Sheriff_U3 |
I found it interesting when in TNG they mentioned the fact that their computer/programs are 32bit lol. |
| 22:34 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> 5.3 brought 64 bit integers done wrong. big mistake |
| 22:35 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> pall is also no big fan of <close> and he's not wrong either |
| 22:35 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> unfortunately it doesn't loook like defer is happening in luajit... |
| 22:39 |
Sheriff_U3 |
idk that Minetest had rats at one point: https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/4556c212dba726271352b05a9299564e05abb218 |
| 22:49 |
Sheriff_U3 |
Does anyone know about when .tr translation was added? Been looking through commits for about 30 mins without success. (Of course someone didn't add it to the changelog or mention it in lua_api.txt when it was added...) |
| 22:49 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> 5.0 for client-side translation I think |
| 22:49 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> everything before that was intllib |
| 22:50 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> there is the unassuming changelog section https://docs.luanti.org/about/changelog/#user-interface-1 |
| 22:50 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> .po is more recent and should be findable |
| 22:51 |
Sheriff_U3 |
I know that .po has been around since 5.10, someone was nice and added that info to lua_api :) |
| 22:52 |
Sheriff_U3 |
Blockhead256: thanks I missed that! |
| 22:54 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> np, guess it comes with being around for a while. Huh, your forum account is only back to 2025, you've been playing longer though, right? |
| 22:55 |
Sheriff_U3 |
nope |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> oic |
| 22:56 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> imagine having a forums account |
| 22:56 |
Sheriff_U3 |
I discovered Luanti back in October 2025. |
| 22:58 |
Sheriff_U3 |
I started learning Luanti modding around the 2025 game jam time frame, with toolranks being my first real project. After that it was Circuits. |
| 22:59 |
Sheriff_U3 |
Though both of those are forks and not ordinal to me. |
| 22:59 |
Sheriff_U3 |
*original |
| 22:59 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> huh, I guess I really thought you had some background before circuits. Anyway I'm conflating that you have a level of experience with tech in general with you actual background with Luanti |
| 23:01 |
Sheriff_U3 |
As far as Luanti is concerned I'm still really new lol. |
| 23:02 |
Sheriff_U3 |
Same with Linux as well, started using Linux Mint around September 2025. |
| 23:03 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> ah, the year of the linux desktop |
| 23:03 |
Sheriff_U3 |
as is every year it seems |
| 23:05 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> the way I see it is everyone has (potentially) their own personal year they switch to the linux desktop, not some universal year. For me, it was 2021 |
| 23:19 |
MTDiscord |
<the4spaceconstants2181> this year was mine |
| 23:19 |
Sheriff_U3 |
Hows it gone for you? |
| 23:23 |
MTDiscord |
<the4spaceconstants2181> very well |
| 23:25 |
Sheriff_U3 |
that's nice, I had trouble with my laptop freezing on Linux... fixed it by disabling cstates. |
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MinetestBot |
[git] appgurueu -> luanti-org/luanti: Fix remaining issues with multi-track animations (#17306) 304c6d3 https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/304c6d3fa87539fa4e376ef926e2a274217bab1f (2026-06-30T23:24:30Z) |
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