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est31 |
And I do prefer a binary format inside the db to store the player data |
| 00:00 |
est31 |
we can write an application server owners can use to edit them |
| 00:00 |
est31 |
with gui and so on |
| 00:01 |
Fixer |
i have a bad feeling about this /me runs /good night! :) |
| 00:05 |
paramat |
please can anyone review https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4134 ? fairly simple |
| 00:13 |
cheapie |
OK, so it appears that improving the indexing doesn't change /rollback performance much, so the performance issue with it is not a DB problem. |
| 00:15 |
cheapie |
About the only time it would likely help in this case would be if you had the map DB on an SSD and the rollback DB on a slow hard drive. I'm going to assume that's not a common use case, and so it's probably not worth the extra space this would make the rollback DB take up. |
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paramat |
merging games 1094 1098 1099 in a moment |
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paramat |
merging |
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paramat |
merged |
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paramat |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1103 PR for vessels mod |
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sofar |
paramat: fyi, I've got family over from Europe for a week, so I'm taking a bit of a break for a bit |
| 06:58 |
sofar |
should be back to normal after they fly back |
| 06:58 |
paramat |
ok |
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paramat |
we'll miss you |
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nrzkt |
sofar, you will be so near from me then :D |
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nrzkt |
where did you go ? |
| 06:59 |
sofar |
I didn't go anywhere, my relatives are visiting me |
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sofar |
nrzkt: they are all from the Netherlands, as I am originally, but I live on the West Coast now in the US |
| 07:01 |
nrzkt |
okay :) |
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sofar |
I have likely been near you, but a long time ago :) |
| 07:37 |
nore |
could someone look at #3895 now 0.4.14 is released? |
| 07:37 |
ShadowBot |
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| 07:37 |
nore |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3895 |
| 07:38 |
nore |
why is ShadowBot broken? :/ |
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nrzkt |
nore i added comments |
| 07:39 |
nore |
thanks |
| 07:40 |
nrzkt |
paramat, for the jenkins problem => https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Plugins+affected+by+fix+for+SECURITY-170 |
| 07:41 |
nrzkt |
=> https://github.com/jenkinsci/ghprb-plugin/pull/336 |
| 07:41 |
paramat |
ok |
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nrzkt |
i should wait for a plugin update |
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paramat |
nore sfan5 any reviews for https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1103 ? |
| 07:45 |
paramat |
also there's https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4134 |
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nore |
paramat: looking |
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nore |
paramat: +1-ed both |
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paramat |
thanks for looking |
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nrzkt |
~tell est31: is the android build okay, should i release it on play store ? |
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ShadowBot |
nrzkt: O.K. |
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gregorycu |
#3770 |
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srifqi |
Seems, like Compiling on Windows page on Developer Minetest Wiki is really hard for beginner. How about simple step to compile Minetest? Since we already have a zipped folder (hosted in kitsunemimi.pw) which contain all library needed. So, user only need to download that .zip file and extract and with simple configuration user can self-compile Mine |
| 11:46 |
srifqi |
test. How about that? |
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* Fixer |
>_> gregorycu |
| 11:51 |
gregorycu |
Indeed |
| 11:51 |
Fixer |
gregorycu: some progress with it? |
| 11:52 |
gregorycu |
Just git woes |
| 11:52 |
gregorycu |
I want to get this sorted so i never have to think of this again :) |
| 11:52 |
Fixer |
gregorycu: i will be glad to test it |
| 11:53 |
gregorycu |
Has ShadowNinja done any work on it? |
| 11:54 |
sfan5 |
srifqi: why does a "beginner" need to compile on windows? |
| 11:54 |
Fixer |
gregorycu: no more work, I asked him, and he does not have any ideas about it |
| 11:54 |
Fixer |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3770 |
| 11:54 |
srifqi |
I mean beginner in compiling Minetest |
| 11:55 |
sfan5 |
also the cmake setup will be different each time |
| 11:55 |
gregorycu |
Thanks, I have ideas, I'm now at the stage where I want to force the issue |
| 11:55 |
gregorycu |
As in, force the bug, so I can ensure any fixes work |
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srifqi |
what do you mean, sfan5? |
| 11:55 |
sfan5 |
paths |
| 11:56 |
srifqi |
We can just saying "PATH_TO_BLABLABLA" |
| 11:56 |
srifqi |
say* |
| 12:01 |
gregorycu |
It's only like... 5 libs |
| 12:01 |
srifqi |
Also, when first time I try to compile Minetest, I follow the page but getting frustated with missing dependencies. So I check the buildwin32.sh to find my mistake. What I found is that I might use wrong library. So I downloaded all dependencies from the URL in that script and it works! |
| 12:02 |
sfan5 |
srifqi: no we can't |
| 12:02 |
srifqi |
why? |
| 12:02 |
sfan5 |
how would the computer magically understand that |
| 12:02 |
sfan5 |
when you need to adjust all these paths for yourself after downloading |
| 12:02 |
sfan5 |
you might as well just follow the guide on the wiki |
| 12:03 |
srifqi |
Yes, I was |
| 12:03 |
gregorycu |
The real issue is that different tool chains on windows need different things |
| 12:04 |
gregorycu |
And expect different things |
| 12:04 |
gregorycu |
You really want to build the deps once, and call it a day |
| 12:04 |
gregorycu |
Not everytime you do a rebuilt |
| 12:04 |
gregorycu |
rebuild |
| 12:06 |
srifqi |
So, compiled deps can be "cached"? |
| 12:08 |
gregorycu |
That's what cmake does for you |
| 12:08 |
gregorycu |
sets that all up |
| 12:08 |
gregorycu |
What problems did you run into? |
| 12:08 |
srifqi |
Finding direct download to deps |
| 12:13 |
Fixer |
srifqi: you use cmake? |
| 12:13 |
Fixer |
srifqi: 32 or 64 bit? |
| 12:13 |
srifqi |
cmake-gui |
| 12:13 |
srifqi |
32bit |
| 12:14 |
Fixer |
srifqi: this link has links to this compiled libraries: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/util/buildbot/buildwin32.sh |
| 12:14 |
srifqi |
That is exactly what I did at first time |
| 12:14 |
Fixer |
srifqi: just replace $blabla_version with a number specified above |
| 12:15 |
Fixer |
srifqi: so what is the problem, try making your way by reading this script, i build with it too (somewhat modified it though) |
| 12:15 |
Fixer |
build in debian, not sure about windows |
| 12:17 |
srifqi |
There is no problem. I just suggest to add some easy direct download in wiki so that there no need to find right "download" button while finding right deps. Also, with simpler step. |
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Krock |
srifqi, it's not so hard like you may think |
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Zeno` |
building on Windows is not easy for the beginner because it's a crappy dev environment |
| 12:21 |
srifqi |
but i couldn't found it :( |
| 12:21 |
srifqi |
Now I can, ofc |
| 12:21 |
Zeno` |
it's easier to cross-compile from Linux or BSD to be honest |
| 12:21 |
srifqi |
you're right |
| 12:22 |
Zeno` |
maybe someone could write a GUI app to build it |
| 12:22 |
Krock |
I planned to make a video about it but I'm not sure if Win 10 works the same way |
| 12:22 |
Fixer |
Zeno`: remember me ranting about large mingw folder and how it was confusing? and damn msvc 2005 was over 500mb... it turns out that msvc 2015 is 5-8 GB minimal install |
| 12:23 |
srifqi |
So, another question: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L236 |
| 12:23 |
Fixer |
now I'm looking at TDM-GCC with just 440 mb like it is very lightweight |
| 12:24 |
Krock |
srifqi, the wiki page sohuld be more uptodate |
| 12:24 |
srifqi |
But why the README doesn't get any update? |
| 12:25 |
Fixer |
everyone is lazy |
| 12:25 |
gregorycu |
We are not a professional outfit |
| 12:25 |
Krock |
because there hasn't been added a reference to the wiki yet |
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OldCoder |
<Zeno`> it's easier to cross-compile from Linux or BSD to be honest |
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OldCoder |
Much easier |
| 13:43 |
OldCoder |
Simple, even |
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OldCoder |
Zeno`, tried the updated builds? |
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* OldCoder |
will be here later |
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est31 |
~tell nrzkt Android build works for 0.4.14, I've checked that |
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ShadowBot |
est31: O.K. |
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est31 |
ShadowBot, you wont tell, i know that |
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gregorycu |
Arsehole bot |
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est31 |
so what about #4140 |
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est31 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4140 |
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Fixer |
est31: dude who reported it should try it? |
| 17:22 |
est31 |
he tried it, it works for him |
| 17:22 |
Fixer |
i guess poke other devs to review it? |
| 17:23 |
est31 |
:) thats what my msg above was meant for |
| 17:24 |
est31 |
sorry that I am not reviewing other people's prs much |
| 17:24 |
est31 |
im busy atm with so many things |
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est31 |
and my plan for the mean term is to continue work on my rust project |
| 17:25 |
est31 |
Its still not finished |
| 17:25 |
est31 |
although all the algorithms are written, it produces flawed output |
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est31 |
I have to fix bugs before i publish it |
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KaadmY |
what's the |
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KaadmY |
project est31*, anyway he left |
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hmmmm |
i still don't quite understand but there are many people who leave the channel but keep looking at the logs |
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hmmmm |
if it's a matter of not wanting to respond to something right away, don't see why you wouldn't just ignore it |
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naltamur |
Hello guys |
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naltamur |
Can I compile minetest under cygwin? |
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red-001 |
why would you do that? |
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ElectronLibre |
red-001: It could spare naltamur the troubles of downloading/extracting/configuring all required libraries |
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naltamur |
ElectronLibre: yeah! |
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red-001 |
well you could try |
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naltamur |
but I think it's impossible \0/ |
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ElectronLibre |
Sadly I have not enough experience with/knowledge of Cygwin to tell you whether or not it will work. I doubt it will though, but there is a guide on dev.minetest.net for you to follow to compile on Windows |
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ElectronLibre |
It took me about three complete days to get everything in place; you should be quicker though. |
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ElectronLibre: I'm trying |
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Fixer |
is there any debug build for linux (say ubuntu)? |
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Krock |
I doubt it. Self-made ©®™ has a debug build |
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Fixer |
nevermind, owner is unlikely to run it or even with gdb |
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Fixer |
playing with horrible elusive bugs is much better :} |
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hmmmm |
hey paramat |
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paramat |
hi |
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hmmmm |
i saw you got a little carried away with 'optimizing' bitwise and expressions used in branches |
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hmmmm |
on x86/64, at least, this thing is so common there's a dedicated instruction for it called 'bt' |
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hmmmm |
so for a piece of code like if (spflags & MGV7_MOUNTAINS) { ... the compiler would emit code like |
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hmmmm |
bt dword [ecx + spflags], 1 |
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hmmmm |
jnc .no_mountains |
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hmmmm |
very efficient, no? |
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hmmmm |
and other architectures have similar instructions |
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paramat |
nice, ok i'll remember for the future |
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hmmmm |
the other way would have the same exact runtime |
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paramat |
hmmmm being a shy and sensitive person, sometimes being connected to IRC can put me on edge and i find i can relax and concentrate more when disconnected, est31 prefers to disconnect sometimes too. i ask everyone to please understand |
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paramat |
i've improved a lot, 2 years ago i was too shy to be on IRC at all |
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Krock |
lol seriously? |
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Krock |
IRC is just a place where you can start a flamewar without problems ;P |
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* paramat |
wonders if the 'trump of minetest' will build a wall at the world's edge |
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Krock |
no, it would be like a wall with a radius of 100m around spawn |
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Calinou |
1x1 node is enough for creativity! build a 3x3 wall around spawn! |
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Krock |
inside the walls it would be like in the desert because trump said that we need more global warming |
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Krock |
Calinou, but where should he put his billions of dollars? |
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Krock |
that needs space too |
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Fixer |
no global warming, it is already too hot |
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paramat |
or even cubic warming |
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Fixer |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=14613&view=unread#p218234 |
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kaeza |
just for the record, compiling under Windows is easy as long as you stick to C libs |
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kaeza |
(for precompiled deps, that is) |
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kaeza |
every damned C++ compiler seems to have its own ABI or something |
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kaeza |
so it's better to recompile C++ libs |
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kaeza |
WFM, YMMV |
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kaeza |
BTW, all that is assuming MinGW; no idea for MSVC, and I assume for Cygwin it's just the Unix Way(tm) |
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