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shivajiva |
just compiled 5117ce4 and can confirm noairblocks from the sea modpack doesn't work, you get an air node with the plant inside :/ |
| 01:06 |
Shara |
Anyone have an idea why this is? |
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garywhite |
Hello, I want to make a mod adding a Blu-ray player to Minetest (maybe eventually into homedecor), but I'd prefer it to be in creative-only, do I still have to write a recipe? |
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elinor |
garywhite: Nope. |
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elinor |
The function used to register the item is minetest.register_craftitem, but that's separate from the function used to actually add a recipe (minetest.register_craft). |
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IhrFussel |
Okay I take back that it only happens during downloads...it happened again last night with JUST hexchat opened so there is definitely a problem with my PC ... I opened up my tower to find out where the red light comes from...and it is the motherboard...the led sits next to 2 empty PCI slots |
| 09:54 |
IhrFussel |
Or should I say the LED sits in between 2 empty PCI slots & the power supply slots |
| 09:57 |
IhrFussel |
But very close to the PCI slots...one sec taking pic |
| 10:12 |
IhrFussel |
https://i.imgur.com/ihzwdoMr.jpg |
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| 10:18 |
paramat |
Shara , might be related https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5769 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5494 but that was fixed before 0.4.16. juhdanad is the person to tag in an issue |
| 10:24 |
Shara |
Thanks paramat. Not even sure wha issue to make currently, since it only affects mods... But it seems it has to be something in MT. |
| 10:24 |
Shara |
what* |
| 10:25 |
lisac |
My minetest gold mining google form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1G8SX1pVHYvoOA8T2d57Qi1sZYSEUZo7VCujYx1QO9J8 |
| 10:26 |
lisac |
^I linked it yesterday too |
| 10:26 |
lisac |
it's about gold mining in Minetest, and ability to use gold as a currency |
| 10:26 |
Shara |
lisac: will you share the results? |
| 10:26 |
lisac |
of course, Shara :) |
| 10:26 |
lisac |
I'll first gather ~50 responses though |
| 10:26 |
lisac |
maybe more |
| 10:27 |
Shara |
how many so far? |
| 10:27 |
lisac |
13 |
| 10:27 |
Shara |
could take a while then |
| 10:27 |
lisac |
probably. It's 2nd day though |
| 10:27 |
Shara |
Feel free to ask in DL channel, since I know you sit in there |
| 10:28 |
paramat |
also numberZero has made lots of drawtype rendering changes recently, another person to tag |
| 10:29 |
Shara |
paramat: I'll try to collect some screenshots showing the issues for the other mods as well. |
| 10:29 |
lisac |
thanks Shara :) |
| 10:29 |
Shara |
lisac: no problem. Curious of the results |
| 10:29 |
Shara |
And of mine... university grades are in |
| 10:30 |
* Shara |
runs away to do some reading :P |
| 10:30 |
lisac |
lol see you :) |
| 10:31 |
IhrFussel |
Soo...it's telling me Minetest already is the newest version "201707161919-0~d60434c~ubuntu16.04.1" but AFAIK today is the 18th worldwide already...??? |
| 10:32 |
IhrFussel |
Oh wait... |
| 10:33 |
IhrFussel |
I forgot the stupid apt-get update haha |
| 10:35 |
lisac |
IhrFussel, you could try 'apt update' |
| 10:35 |
lisac |
it's a shortcut to most used apt-get and apt-cache commands |
| 10:35 |
lisac |
ex. 'apt install' instead of 'apt-get install' |
| 10:35 |
lisac |
but that's not all |
| 10:35 |
lisac |
it also has fancy progress bars |
| 10:37 |
IhrFussel |
Alright thanks for the tip^^ Now I need to stress my GPU to see if that's the component that likely fails |
| 10:38 |
lisac |
I think there was a hash cracking software that runs on GPU |
| 10:38 |
lisac |
that might help |
| 10:38 |
Jordach |
>HP EliteBook |
| 10:38 |
Jordach |
>pro |
| 10:38 |
Jordach |
>AMD APU |
| 10:38 |
Jordach |
:thinking: |
| 10:38 |
lisac |
https://hashcat.net/hashcat/ |
| 10:39 |
lisac |
hey I've also got an APU |
| 10:39 |
lisac |
A8 7600 |
| 10:39 |
Jordach |
lisac, A12 |
| 10:39 |
lisac |
It runs fallout 4 |
| 10:39 |
Jordach |
REEEEEE |
| 10:39 |
lisac |
... |
| 10:39 |
Jordach |
just install a fucking i5 and call it a day |
| 10:39 |
lisac |
Yeah... and put it where? |
| 10:39 |
lisac |
jam it into the cpu slot? |
| 10:39 |
Jordach |
in the new motherboard that replaces the shitty apu |
| 10:39 |
lisac |
then I might aswell buy a new PC |
| 10:40 |
Jordach |
also, 1360x768 screen |
| 10:40 |
Jordach |
that's not a fucking pro machine |
| 10:40 |
Jordach |
my 2013 surface pro has 1080p |
| 10:40 |
lisac |
Jordach, what do you use it for? |
| 10:40 |
lisac |
Advanced text editing? |
| 10:40 |
lisac |
playing Minetest? |
| 10:44 |
Jordach |
Krita |
| 10:44 |
Jordach |
it's the wacom panel display, not the shitty ntrig based one |
| 10:47 |
lisac |
Jordach, you don't need fancy hardware to seize the means of production and establish communism. |
| 10:47 |
Jordach |
LUL |
| 10:47 |
Jordach |
communism is for facists fucks |
| 10:48 |
Jordach |
or ANTIFA |
| 10:48 |
Jordach |
:thinking: |
| 10:49 |
lisac |
man you really need to read up on communism |
| 10:49 |
Jordach |
LUL |
| 10:50 |
Jordach |
and when they come for your middle class house and possessions |
| 10:50 |
Jordach |
tell me again that it's the right thing to do while virtue signaling |
| 10:51 |
lisac |
It would seem I'm not the fascist here |
| 10:51 |
Jordach |
lisac, i'm all for freedom |
| 10:52 |
Jordach |
but ruling goverments with marxist culture is cancer |
| 10:52 |
lisac |
yeah that is why we don't need communist leaders |
| 10:52 |
lisac |
just communism |
| 10:52 |
Jordach |
cultural marxism is far worse |
| 10:53 |
Jordach |
think the neutral planet from futurama |
| 10:53 |
Jordach |
but that in reality itself |
| 10:53 |
lisac |
yeah I'm thinking more Star Trek |
| 10:54 |
Jordach |
i'm aware of any form of matter fabs or deconstruction will allow it to *properly* work |
| 10:54 |
Jordach |
i like the idea of turning generic crap into new things |
| 10:55 |
CWz |
still have no idea what quicktune does |
| 10:55 |
lisac |
maybe the technology to establish communism is not there yet? |
| 10:55 |
lisac |
CWz, it prints fancy texts |
| 10:55 |
CWz |
huh? |
| 10:55 |
Jordach |
lisac, Elite Dangerous is quite a good example on how the future is likely to look |
| 10:56 |
lisac |
Jordach, I'd rather think all sci-fi works are someone's idea of how the future should or shouldn't look |
| 10:56 |
Jordach |
lisac, Elite assumes that a third war occurred in this century |
| 10:56 |
Jordach |
and that the corporations merged into a true federation |
| 10:56 |
lisac |
Yeah so does Star Trek. And Fallout |
| 10:57 |
lisac |
except in Star Trek, people united to get through the times after the war |
| 10:57 |
Jordach |
lisac, https://www.drewwagar.com/lore/elite-dangerous-lore-the-federation/ |
| 10:57 |
lisac |
and in Fallout they just banded up to survive |
| 10:58 |
Jordach |
The Federation is Space America (TM) |
| 10:58 |
Jordach |
The Empire has "slaves" but are contracted until debts are paid off |
| 10:58 |
lisac |
as if we don't have enough Americas already |
| 10:58 |
Jordach |
(which means they live similar to how the swiss function) |
| 10:58 |
Jordach |
and the Alliance being all about freedom and nothing else |
| 10:58 |
Jordach |
just a bunch of systems working together |
| 10:59 |
lisac |
since when do the Swiss have slaves? |
| 10:59 |
Jordach |
i mean, they work until debts are paid off and then live freely under their respective local government |
| 10:59 |
Jordach |
it also allows other to pay off their debts |
| 11:00 |
lisac |
yeah but that mostly sums up current life under capitalism |
| 11:00 |
lisac |
you live to pay off debts |
| 11:00 |
lisac |
or rather, you work to pay off debts |
| 11:00 |
Jordach |
you work until you've paid your debts off, then its a form of socialism |
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paramat |
luckily that hacky underwater plant method won't be needed anymore as we have https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5748 |
| 11:08 |
Shara |
paramat: it's about more than the plants |
| 11:09 |
Shara |
Even the colourings in my own glass mod are noticeably different |
| 11:09 |
Shara |
I also have a texture on another liquid that is now almost invisible, whereas before it used to have a very rich and deep colouring |
| 11:11 |
Shara |
I will get some screenshots later today and post an issue |
| 11:11 |
Shara |
I first suspected an issue with colouring some time back, but put it down to my tests being on another computer and the colouring being different |
| 11:13 |
Shara |
but I seem to recall others complaining MT was looking drab and boring in terms of colour as well... this is likely why |
| 11:15 |
paramat |
yeah, i know it's more than this :] |
| 11:15 |
Shara |
I suspect the changes started in 0.4.15 |
| 11:16 |
Shara |
I skipped that client on my desktop, used it on my laptop... then put it down to screen differences |
| 11:16 |
Shara |
But I noticed at the time that red colours looked less red to me |
| 11:17 |
Shara |
Now my red glass looks pink instead of pale red, and black glass looks like a very pale grey |
| 11:17 |
Shara |
swamp water used to look a deep murky greeny cyan colour with dark blotches.... now you can't even always tell there is water there until you are under it |
| 11:18 |
Shara |
the game as a whole looks dull and stale compared to my from my old clients, where it looks fresh and colourful |
| 11:18 |
Shara |
-my* |
| 11:20 |
paramat |
hm there were changes to lighting / colouring by juhdanad due to hardware colourisation .. |
| 11:20 |
Shara |
I wish I had tested more previously, but you know the issues I have compiling on my main machine |
| 11:22 |
paramat |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4986 worth a read, it was controversial (for me) and looks like there were changes in hue |
| 11:22 |
paramat |
i made a fuss and insisted a better colour match was made |
| 11:22 |
paramat |
which was done |
| 11:23 |
Shara |
I have never caught up on the hardware colouring or how it works |
| 11:23 |
Shara |
Can barely keep up with everything else :P |
| 11:24 |
Shara |
But I will get some side by side screenshots showing exactly how the changes affect mods before opening an issue, or I suppose it will be dismissed since no one raised it yet |
| 11:24 |
Shara |
(or at least no one dug into it to a point of actually raising it... I know comments have been made about colours) |
| 11:26 |
paramat |
it won't be dismissed :] |
| 11:27 |
Shara |
well, hopefully not if I provide the screenshots clearly showing it :) |
| 11:28 |
Shara |
I'm currently just getting angry that I have had complaints from players and there is nothign I can do to help them |
| 11:28 |
Shara |
nothing* |
| 11:28 |
paramat |
to be honest i wish we had not merged hardware colouring due to the balance or disruption/complexity against usefulness, but it was popular with lots of other devs |
| 11:29 |
Shara |
I feel like things simply don't get tested properly |
| 11:29 |
Shara |
and though it is improving, when devs just agree on things, other people's opinions really do seem to get ignored |
| 11:30 |
Shara |
I know it's a "not enough active devs" issue.. and a "absolutely no official testers" issue. |
| 11:31 |
Shara |
But it's like things keep getting added and problems don't seem to really get fixed |
| 11:32 |
paramat |
hardware colouring did get tested fairly well, in that thread i made lighting comparisons and complained until it was better. however it could perhaps still be tuned and juhdanad is probably happy to tune it some more :] |
| 11:32 |
Shara |
well, thats a more general issue |
| 11:32 |
Shara |
but yes, will hope this can be improved :) |
| 11:33 |
paramat |
we never ignore anyone's opinions, but dev approval inevitably makes a decision that is unpopular with some |
| 11:35 |
paramat |
anyway, as you know i am always hesitant about fancy new features :] |
| 11:35 |
Shara |
I'm glad of it :) |
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Wayward_One |
hi all |
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ThomasMonroe |
hi |
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tenplus1 |
hi folks |
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Raven262 |
Hello tenplus1 |
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tenplus1 |
hi raven :P |
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tenplus1 |
o/ |
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tenplus1 |
octacian__: nice mod btw :) like the game modes |
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octacian |
Thanks tenplus1 :D |
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tenplus1 |
would totally love game-modes in default |
| 14:38 |
octacian |
Yeah, same here. |
| 14:39 |
tenplus1 |
is the change immediate or does plyer have to log out and back in again ? |
| 14:40 |
octacian |
Immediate. |
| 14:40 |
tenplus1 |
sweet :P might add to server... the 'creative' priv typically needed player to sign out and in to set inventory :D |
| 14:41 |
octacian |
However, to be implemented in MTG, we'd need some core changes. Specifically, in order to implement properly we'd need the ability to enable or disable damage per-player |
| 14:42 |
tenplus1 |
should make that a player attribute like jump,sneak,gravity etc |
| 14:43 |
octacian |
Yeah. |
| 14:46 |
tenplus1 |
now that Freeminer has stopped development we'll have a few optimizations en route so could prolly sneak it in there... along side damage reasons |
| 14:53 |
tenplus1 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5971 |
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tenplus1 |
wb ruben |
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Krock |
hi tenplus1 |
| 15:21 |
Krock |
SWOOOSH and I gotcha |
| 15:21 |
tenplus1 |
hi Krock, how's you ? |
| 15:22 |
Krock |
had a long day but otherwise I'm ok :) |
| 15:22 |
tenplus1 |
heh, kewl :0 |
| 15:22 |
tenplus1 |
am trying to psyche myself up to rewrite bags, sethome and simple skins for sfinv |
| 15:24 |
Krock |
hmm.. I've also something on my todo list: 45° rails - but that would require a re-coding of the rail draw function |
| 15:24 |
Krock |
2D rails, well, could get difficult to get this efficient but I have an idea |
| 15:24 |
Krock |
but in 3D.. with the Y axis - I believe this is going to need some more thinking time :3 |
| 15:25 |
tenplus1 |
it'll be worth the effort, I saw the advanced train mod and albeit huge with models, looks nice with the precise rails |
| 15:26 |
Krock |
yeah, but that one most likely has a thousands of different rails, each with another rotation |
| 15:27 |
Krock |
I had a quick look into the code and .. well it kept being a quick look as it looked so complex |
| 15:27 |
tenplus1 |
45o vertical rails would look pretty good though... |
| 15:27 |
tenplus1 |
brb |
| 15:29 |
Krock |
the computing work to be done for each rail I've calculated yet (only 2d) would be 8 surrounding node lookups and about 4 bitwise operations per possible rail rotation and type |
| 15:29 |
Krock |
but eh.. Y level must fit in somehow too |
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tenplus1 |
hi thomas, hi behalebabo |
| 15:34 |
behalebabo |
hello |
| 15:34 |
tenplus1 |
o/ |
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ThomasMonroe |
hi |
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ThomasMonroe |
well i gtg for today cya tomorrow guys |
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tenplus1 |
wb DI3HARD139 |
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DI3HARD139 |
ty |
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tenplus1 |
o.O weird article thinking that rust should replace c++ in future... I can figure out c++ although rust confuses the crap outta me :PP |
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tenplus1 |
hi ssieb |
| 17:43 |
Krock |
is rust a compiler? Only a language which directly outputs machine code can beat C++ IMO |
| 17:44 |
sofar |
rust is a compiled language |
| 17:44 |
ssieb |
hi |
| 17:44 |
tenplus1 |
they are trying to compare rust to c++ saying it's better at memory handling/cleanup... but any program can be written with that in mind |
| 17:44 |
tenplus1 |
hi sofar |
| 17:44 |
sofar |
C++ can beat rust, but you have to be a really good C++ software programmer |
| 17:44 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 17:45 |
sofar |
rust could only ever approach the performance of C++, but it will be safer by a large margin |
| 17:46 |
tenplus1 |
it's funny how many new languages are making an appearance now that they say beats C++ |
| 17:46 |
sofar |
it's a natural evolution of programming needs |
| 17:46 |
sofar |
by and large, many fundamental problems are already solved |
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tenplus1 |
with c++14 or the new languages themselves ? |
| 17:47 |
sofar |
so the problems that need solving are of a higher level and underlying issues are not as important |
| 17:47 |
sofar |
in C++ and C you waste a lot of time on fundamental issues like memory management |
| 17:47 |
sofar |
rust removes that problem |
| 17:47 |
sofar |
same with go, in a way |
| 17:48 |
tenplus1 |
how about swift and D ? |
| 17:48 |
sofar |
honestly I don't know those languages |
| 17:48 |
tenplus1 |
wait a sec, D was released many decades ago for the Amiga... was a kinda easier version of C |
| 17:49 |
red-001 |
now could someone make a compiled version of C#> |
| 17:49 |
sofar |
a lot of languages are only a minor step up from C/C++ and are therefore never going to be mainstream |
| 17:49 |
red-001 |
*? |
| 17:49 |
tenplus1 |
yeah... hi red |
| 17:49 |
red-001 |
hi 11 |
| 17:49 |
sofar |
since they don't solve any new significant hurdles, only minor ones |
| 17:50 |
red-001 |
or is the plus a concat? |
| 17:50 |
red-001 |
in that case hi 101 |
| 17:50 |
tenplus1 |
prolly jsut as well sticking with C in that case... |
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sofar |
if you mean C/C++ yes, those 2 will be around for very long |
| 17:51 |
tenplus1 |
wb paramat |
| 17:51 |
tenplus1 |
cant they add compiler options for memory cleaning/optimizations etc for all the new stuff |
| 17:52 |
sofar |
the language can't just do that, it would violate it's own rules so to speak |
| 17:52 |
tenplus1 |
hrmmmm... lol |
| 17:53 |
sofar |
the optimizations are all there, at my work we have teams of people making sure that software gets optimized to used the latest Intel CPU features every year |
| 17:54 |
tenplus1 |
sweet... |
| 17:55 |
sofar |
moving to rust also has security implications |
| 17:55 |
sofar |
it becomes almost impossible to maintain security in separate teams with rust |
| 17:56 |
sofar |
since dynamic linking is not a rust thing |
| 17:56 |
tenplus1 |
so it's missing certain features |
| 17:56 |
sofar |
you can do dynamic linking, but then you lose the benefit of rust again |
| 17:56 |
sofar |
it's... not a simple choice as to what is better and what is worse |
| 17:57 |
sofar |
it really depends on what task you need the software to perform, and what environment it executes in |
| 17:57 |
tenplus1 |
true... I wanna learn a new language but so maaaaaany... C++ still seems best |
| 17:59 |
KaadmY |
C is king, but sadly it's fading |
| 17:59 |
tenplus1 |
nooooooooooooo, also hi KaadmY |
| 18:00 |
KaadmY |
I still try to use C for personal projects but anything that I want to release will be C++ |
| 18:00 |
sofar |
you choose the language for the project at hand |
| 18:00 |
sofar |
not the other way around :) |
| 18:01 |
sofar |
some projects are definitely C projects, some C++, but for some I'd pick unusual or less common languages if they make sense |
| 18:01 |
sofar |
just look at https://github.com/minetest-tools/mtmediasrv |
| 18:01 |
sofar |
ideal to do something like that in go or rust |
| 18:02 |
sofar |
in that case, I know some go, so it made the most sense |
| 18:02 |
sofar |
you totally could have done it in C++, but it would have been harder to make it secure |
| 18:02 |
KaadmY |
Actually GO and Rust are becoming a lot more popular |
| 18:02 |
KaadmY |
A decent amount of projects I've seen are Rust/Go now |
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KaadmY |
Some even support multiple languages |
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tenplus1 |
Go is google right ? so may become more popular the more apps they make with it |
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sofar |
Google is making 0 apps with go |
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KaadmY |
Yeah I think so |
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KaadmY |
https://golang.org/ |
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sofar |
they don't use go for apps at all |
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sofar |
it's meant for server/backend tasks, daemons, services |
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KaadmY |
Yeah it's by Google |
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tenplus1 |
really ? google apps for services (not mobile) |
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KaadmY |
Or at least the privacy policy links to Google's :P |
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sofar |
go doesn't even have a native UI library |
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tenplus1 |
that kinda sucks |
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sofar |
it's actually really difficult to write an android app in go - you'd have to basically wrap the go program in a major wrapper |
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sofar |
it's just not meant for apps |
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sofar |
maybe in the future, people are experimenting with it |
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tenplus1 |
and swift is iOS only |
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sofar |
go is fantastic for service daemons, stuff that runs on servers and VMs |
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tenplus1 |
:) |
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sofar |
it would even be a good choice for a game server backend |
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KaadmY |
I've actually looked ad Rust for game dev |
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sofar |
you could easily implement a MT server in it, for instance |
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tenplus1 |
that woulda been kewl... specific mt server |
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tenplus1 |
wonder what steam is made using |
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sofar |
C++ |
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sofar |
most games are nowadays |
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sofar |
there's a lot of C# stuff too, but not AAA titles, they're almost exclusively C++ |
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KaadmY |
Yeah |
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tenplus1 |
not so much the games but steam front end itself |
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KaadmY |
C++ is basically every game ever |
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KaadmY |
Unity, UE4, and Cryengine are also all C++ |
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KaadmY |
And those make up a large portion of games |
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tenplus1 |
I still hate the fact that most of the steam games needs .net and visual c libs on windows to function properly |
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tenplus1 |
messes up when using wine unfortuinately |
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Krock |
<KaadmY> C++ is basically every game ever |
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red-001 |
the libs don't work in wine? |
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Krock |
basically, all but Minecraft ;) |
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tenplus1 |
ya think mt will ever be converted fully to c++ |
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Krock |
there's monodevelop for Linux to run .net apps |
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red-001 |
can't you install the .net framework or does ms not allow installing that on non-windows systems? |
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tenplus1 |
it tries to block it but theres a few workarounds, but wne using steam it's difficult |
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red-001 |
I don't think they would do that since they even open sourced parts of it |
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sofar |
in linux .net is basically called 'mono' |
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KaadmY |
^ |
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sofar |
interestingly, it's also the name for a horrible disease that makes you slow and lethargic |
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KaadmY |
I thought that was the description of it? |
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Krock |
maybe the apps are like the disease |
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KaadmY |
+1 |
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tenplus1 |
weird how they cant just stick to c++ with the game itself but rely on another weird runtime library to load game |
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red-001 |
C# is a nice enough language to write in I hear |
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KaadmY |
tenplus1: TBH it does make sense to have some sort of middleman language |
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KaadmY |
Just to speed up the prototyping state |
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tenplus1 |
I dunno what that is :P |
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Krock |
people only use java because they can't C sharp (sorry, old joke) |
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tenplus1 |
lol |
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KaadmY |
Heh |
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tenplus1 |
wonder what made Proller/xyz give up on freeminer |
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tenplus1 |
good though that they allowed mt to use it's code :P |
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Krock |
who said that they give up on freeminer? |
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tenplus1 |
was mentioned the other day it wasnt being supported anymore |
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tenplus1 |
hold on, lmemmie try and find where I read it |
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tenplus1 |
wb RobbieF |
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RobbieF |
hey tenplus1 |
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tenplus1 |
bah, I cleared my chat logs... cant find who mentioned it krock |
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tenplus1 |
but I do like this:https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6144 |
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sofar |
it's probably inevitable |
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sofar |
I don't think they understood the cost of a fork |
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tenplus1 |
it was a well run fork with many ideas and performance gains :) I liked it |
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sofar |
no, that's the problem |
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sofar |
each change in a fork makes it harder to maintain going forward if you want to remain compatible |
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Krock |
tenplus1, the whole programmer section of the internet knows that joke |
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tenplus1 |
which one krock |
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sofar |
the best policy of making a fork is to make the fork obsolete by merging everything back into the original tree |
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paramat |
why freeminer halted http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-dev/2017-07-17#i_5011943 |
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tenplus1 |
ah crap, that's sad... what happened ? |
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sofar |
I wonder who sent a DMCA and why |
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sofar |
if he doesn't fight it and it is a bogus DMCA, that could spell trouble |
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tenplus1 |
just checking |
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CWz |
what happened? |
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sofar |
we don't really know |
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tenplus1 |
someone made trouble for proller and had freeminer brought down |
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CWz |
from where |
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CWz |
the appstore? |
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tenplus1 |
google play |
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CWz |
Oh that could be Microsoft |
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tenplus1 |
for real ? |
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CWz |
maybe not |
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sofar |
we don't know |
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CWz |
If it is Microsoft than mostlikley they are probably only after the googleplay knockoffs. i can't see them being able to do anything to Minetest |
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CWz |
perhaps it just an enemy knock off |
| 18:42 |
CWz |
the knock forks fighting eachother for players won't be much of a suprise |
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sofar |
let's not assume anything |
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tenplus1 |
the knock offs have so many problems though |
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tenplus1 |
and most have ingame ads |
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tenplus1 |
but i suppose it's all down to how good they look to players |
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red-001 |
A fraudulent DMCA takedown could be considered perjury |
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sofar |
right, but it's almost impossible to fight them without getting a lawyer in the US involved in a legal defense |
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tenplus1 |
and that costs money he prolly doesnt have to spend |
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red-001 |
yeah the law is flawed like that |
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sofar |
he's not even in the US |
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tenplus1 |
that sucks... |
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CWz |
google play is a weak market anyway |
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red-001 |
it's likely not worth it for him even if there was a 100% chance of winning |
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tenplus1 |
f-droid is separate from google play, should be on there |
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CWz |
honestly with how freeminer seems to be doing, i doubt he would bother |
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tenplus1 |
cant we bring him back on-board with minetest ? he seems a very competent programmer |
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paramat |
he can contribute if he wants, but says he has no time |
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tenplus1 |
<fingers crossed> |
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CWz |
Now you are scaring off the vampires |
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tenplus1 |
ehehe |
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tenplus1 |
sofar: did you see the issue for the tnt mod's middle node not dropping items ? |
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sofar |
that would be a bug, I wonder if it just assumes that there's TNT there |
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tenplus1 |
the tnt.boom function replaces it automatically with the blast node instead of dropping item 1st |
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sofar |
yup, that would be a bug |
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tenplus1 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1825 |
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tenplus1 |
we also need to change max hear distance to something other than 2*64... calculated maybe by radius |
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tenplus1 |
wb nrz |
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paramat |
tenplus1 there seems tobe a good reason for that though https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1825#issuecomment-313924037 |
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paramat |
last point |
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tenplus1 |
I was just about to make a pull :) fixed it by adding bool |
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tenplus1 |
in fact, hold that... found a way to do it without bool :PPPPPP |
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tenplus1 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1833 |
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nerzhul |
flavour merged |
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tenplus1 |
flavour ? |
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nerzhul |
CSM flavour limits |
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tenplus1 |
ohhh |
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paramat |
vanilla flavour |
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tenplus1 |
seems TNT mod is a little flakey with protected areas |
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sofar |
tnt uses voxelmanips, so, it largely ignores protection I think |
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tenplus1 |
the destroy function checks protection |
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paramat |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/0f7d0bfd7ab647ac61158d69176a47ec26b5dd87 |
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tenplus1 |
migth have to add a protection check into the centre boom node |
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tenplus1 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1833 updated |
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tenplus1 |
k, sleepy time :) nite folks |
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nerzhul |
i hope you will enjoy the flavour heh :) |
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nerzhul |
good night |
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red-001 |
huh I wonder would the EFF represent an open source project unfairly DMCA'ed |
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Calinou |
red-001: why would they? they aren't the copyright holder |
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