IRC log for #minetest-hub, 2018-07-30

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07:58	IcyDiamond	o/
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10:46	rubenwardy	https://github.com/shivajiva101/sauth/pull/9
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10:48	tenplus1	hi folks
10:48	tenplus1	could someone help me with a mesecons problem
10:50	VanessaE	it's mesecons, no one can help with THAT monstrosity ;Z)
10:50	VanessaE	;)
10:50	tenplus1	lol
10:50	tenplus1	the mesecon switch, when right clicked turns on/off and powers any cables beside it
10:51	VanessaE	yes, so long as they're connected to it.
10:51	tenplus1	but... if I call on_rightclick the node turns on/off as usual but doesnt power cables
10:51	VanessaE	odd.
10:51	tenplus1	very
10:51	tenplus1	def.on_rightclick(pos, self.node, user) should act the same way as if a player has done it
11:00	tenplus1	https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/bows/src/master/items.lua#L114 is boggling my mind!
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11:04	tenplus1	hi longer
11:05	longerstaff13	o/
11:05	longerstaff13	forgot to add these channels when I switched ZNCs
11:05	longerstaff13	(sorry :P)
11:05	tenplus1	lol
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11:20	tenplus1	hi aerozoic
11:20	aerozoic	wazup tenplus1!
11:21	tenplus1	trying to figure out something weird... how's you ?
11:21	aerozoic	yes i know i'm weird XD
11:21	tenplus1	lol
11:21	aerozoic	So good luck with that! LOL
11:22	tenplus1	thankfully it's not you :D ehehe
11:22	aerozoic	Oh well then maybe you have a chance :)
11:23	tenplus1	udpated bows mod, working smoother :D
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11:31	tenplus1	hi Krock
11:31	Krock	hi tenplus1
11:31	Krock	:D
11:31	tenplus1	:P you busy ?
11:31	Krock	updating a mod.. but not more
11:32	tenplus1	I have a mesecon puzzle if your up for it
11:32	tenplus1	https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/bows/src/master/items.lua#L114
11:32	Krock	oh, that kind of mesecon puzzle
11:32	Krock	I thought of a circuit
11:32	tenplus1	that wee snippet calls the on_rightclick for the mesecon switch
11:33	tenplus1	but... ti changes the node only, doesnt activate any wires or lights connected to said switch... but... rightclicking it normally works ok
11:33	Krock	so "self.node.name" is the same as core.get_node(pos).name ?
11:34	Krock	2nd argument of your on_rightclick args isn't an itemstack
11:36	tenplus1	yup
11:37	tenplus1	on_rightclick = func(pos, node, clicker, itemstack, pointed_thing),
11:37	Krock	err, 4th argument in this case
11:38	Krock	and is "user" a valid player object?
11:38	tenplus1	for the actual mesecon switch itself itemstack and pointed thing arent used at all, and it works ok
11:38	tenplus1	user is indeed a valid player, uyes... the one shooting the arrow
11:39	tenplus1	when the arror hits and the on_rightclick is run, the switch turns on and off ok, just no wires or lights beside it light up
11:41	Krock	tests
11:41	tenplus1	heh, definitely a strange issue that shouldnt be
11:43	Krock	how do I shoot with David BOWie?
11:44	tenplus1	place mese arrows on left side of bow
11:44	tenplus1	use bow to load and fire
11:44	tenplus1	if you hti glass with diamond arrow it shatters and drops bits
11:44	Krock	oh. left side, not right sidfe.
11:44	Krock	-f
11:46	Krock	interesting. it does not update for me either
11:47	tenplus1	the on_rightclick is definitely being called, with the same information given as if the player right clicked the block itself, and udpated node, but not mesecon signal ?!?!/!
11:47	tenplus1	I cant explain this
11:49	tenplus1	thanks for testing it out :)
11:56	Krock	ahaahh
11:56	tenplus1	?
11:56	Krock	it works if you do it right
11:56	Krock	https://pastebin.com/raw/CF7ZfXPR
11:56	Krock	apparently the mesecons register function also has additional triggers registered which need these params
11:57	Krock	nvm, I'm supid
11:57	Krock	clicking the wrong mouse button
11:57	tenplus1	even though the original switch never passes itemstack or pointed_thing and that works fine ?D
11:58	tenplus1	heh, still same :P
11:58	tenplus1	almost
11:58	Krock	getting to it
11:58	Krock	works with vector.round(pos)
11:58	tenplus1	?
11:59	Krock	because the "pos" you specify in the on_his_node callback is not a whole number
11:59	Krock	*on_hit_node
11:59	Krock	thus, mesecons fails to calculate the circuit
11:59	Krock	MYTH BUSTED
11:59	tenplus1	what the ???? a round value...
11:59	tenplus1	ahahaha, thanks Krock :PPP
11:59	Krock	!next
11:59	MinetestBot	Another satisfied customer. Next!
12:00	Krock	yes, the pos looks like this: https://pastebin.com/raw/7XDHDd3A
12:01	IcyDiamond	how do i make a game and include someone else's mod in it?
12:01	IcyDiamond	git submodules?
12:01	Krock	yes
12:01	Krock	updating is much easier with submodules
12:02	IcyDiamond	rubenwardy: does contentdb init submodules as well?
12:05	rubenwardy	It's on the issue tracker
12:05	tenplus1	Bows updated on git and CDB
12:06	rubenwardy	https://github.com/minetest/contentdb/issues/94
12:06	rubenwardy	Yay
12:06	tenplus1	ruben, if I untick (is approved) will it delete an older release?
12:06	rubenwardy	You should never need to
12:06	rubenwardy	And it won't
12:06	rubenwardy	It'll just unapprove it
12:06	tenplus1	I have 2 releases and I wanna remove the older one
12:06	rubenwardy	Why?
12:07	tenplus1	so no-one downloads it
12:07	tenplus1	also to save space
12:08	rubenwardy	I'll delete it
12:08	rubenwardy	How's?
12:08	rubenwardy	It won't save space currently though
12:08	tenplus1	no worries then
12:38	IcyDiamond	\o/
12:48	tenplus1	hi icy
12:55	IcyDiamond	Hey
12:55	IcyDiamond	I want a mobs_birds
12:55	IcyDiamond	XD
12:56	IcyDiamond	I have some ideas for a game but I can't collect em together
12:56	tenplus1	mobs_flying_creatures is a thing :)
12:57	tenplus1	rubenwardy: does CDB screenshots need to be a set size/aspect ?
12:58	Krock	IcyDiamond: add my stapled bread to trees mod
12:58	IcyDiamond	Lol
12:58	IcyDiamond	I think I might make a structure spawning mod
12:59	rubenwardy	They'll be automagically scaled and cropped
12:59	IcyDiamond	Probably exclusively for my game
12:59	tenplus1	hrm, cause it's messing up some of the screenshot.png files
12:59	IcyDiamond	Might even give a shot at villages
12:59	Krock	300x200 px usually
13:00	rubenwardy	355x233
13:00	IcyDiamond	I need to collect ideas
13:00	rubenwardy	But it should be bigger
13:00	Krock	that's at least what the lua_api.txt documents. surely, a 600x400px image would show much more :D
13:00	rubenwardy	Bigger the better
13:00	rubenwardy	I'd go with 600x400 or abovr
13:00	tenplus1	https://content.minetest.net/packages/TenPlus1/real_torch/
13:00	tenplus1	seems to have cropped it a tad short
13:01	Krock	IcyDiamond: bows, slippery nodes, movement effects, dehydrate bar..
13:01	IcyDiamond	Yeah
13:01	rubenwardy	If it's not 3:2 it'll be cropped to 3:2
13:01	IcyDiamond	tenplus1: including that as well
13:01	IcyDiamond	XD
13:01	tenplus1	oh
13:02	rubenwardy	It's a good idea to submit a 3:2 image, 600x400 at least
13:03	tenplus1	gotcha
13:03	tenplus1	thanks
13:04	* Krock	wonders what happens with slippery=-1
13:05	Krock	nothing :(
13:05	tenplus1	still gotta fix the disable_jump=1 for water nodes so players cant swim up
13:06	Krock	ahahah. slippery=99 is so smooth
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13:08	tenplus1	hi twoelk
13:08	twoelk	o/
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13:56	tenplus1	hi fussel
14:11	tenplus1	screenshots added to CDB: https://content.minetest.net/users/TenPlus1/
14:15	rubenwardy	Nice!
14:15	tenplus1	:P
14:15	rubenwardy	That's what I like to see
14:16	rubenwardy	Every package could have an image
14:16	rubenwardy	Just some need you to be a bit creative
14:16	tenplus1	got latest GIMP update so thought I'd fiddle :D
14:18	rubenwardy	The new GIMP is ?
14:18	tenplus1	?? i cvant see that
14:19	rubenwardy	Copy it and Google it
14:19	tenplus1	ohhh
14:19	tenplus1	:P
14:20	Fixer	? ? ?
14:20	Fixer	row of cocks
14:20	* rubenwardy	kicks Fixer
14:21	tenplus1	lol
14:30	longerstaff13	:P
14:31	tenplus1	o/ longer
14:31	longerstaff13	o/
14:33	IhrFussel	Hi there^^ Should I open an issue regarding the disappearing of objects you are attached to when logging out?
14:34	tenplus1	erk
14:34	IhrFussel	In the case of cars the car appears either when 1. Driver logs off 2. Passenger logs off or 3. Someone next to the car log off
14:35	Fixer	IhrFussel: yes
14:35	IhrFussel	disappears*
14:36	IhrFussel	I didn't test scenario 3 with carts yet
14:37	IhrFussel	Also when it disappears you keep the sit animation so the "detach" code never runs
14:50	IhrFussel	I might be custom code that causes this behavior...one sec testing
14:54	* tenplus1	is having way too much fun breaking glass windows with diamond arrows :D
15:04	IcyDiamond	lol
15:05	tenplus1	just remembered to add a protection check... dont want rogue players running around server with diamond arrows and breaking windows
15:05	IcyDiamond	XD
15:06	IcyDiamond	add a settingtype
15:06	tenplus1	nah, protection check by default for this one
15:06	tenplus1	considered griefing
15:06	IcyDiamond	why does nobody ever add setting types in this community
15:06	tenplus1	and mese arrows can turn on/off a mesecon switch :D
15:06	IcyDiamond	whats so scary about setting types
15:07	tenplus1	I dont like adding settings for thigns that arent important
15:07	IcyDiamond	xD
15:08	IcyDiamond	I really want to make a village mod
15:08	tenplus1	new arrow on_step is a lot smoother, doesnt use get_node's at all until the arrow stops moving
15:08	tenplus1	check out settlements mod and add new schems :D always need new buildings
15:09	IcyDiamond	!mod settlements
15:09	MinetestBot	IcyDiamond: Settlements [settlements] by Rochambeau - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=20425
15:09	IcyDiamond	License
15:09	IcyDiamond	WTFPL
15:09	IcyDiamond	time to steal code
15:09	tenplus1	hahaha
15:09	IcyDiamond	ok no
15:11	IcyDiamond	now that i think about it, npc build queues should be considered an example instead of a mod
15:11	tenplus1	still like the idea of giving work orders for differnet vbuildings and having them build it
15:11	tenplus1	then you can get free buildings from treasure chests or even lucky blocks :P
15:14	IcyDiamond	can i use the default player model for npcs or do i have to like copy the one from mobs_npcs
15:14	IcyDiamond	xD
15:14	tenplus1	if you want it to work with 0.5.0 then use the npc model
15:14	IcyDiamond	ok
15:14	IcyDiamond	do i need to credit you?
15:14	rubenwardy	Yes
15:14	tenplus1	nuuuuu
15:14	tenplus1	the mob npc model IS the 0.4.16 player model
15:14	rubenwardy	You can use it, but either target 0.4 or 5
15:14	IcyDiamond	ok
15:15	IcyDiamond	i guess ill target 5 then
15:15	IcyDiamond	no biggie
15:15	IcyDiamond	xD
15:16	tenplus1	the NPC builder that minecraft uses stands off to the corner of the build and punches the air a lot until it's done
15:16	tenplus1	npc builder for minetest has already beaten that by walking aroud the build and doing it that way
15:16	IcyDiamond	lol
15:17	IcyDiamond	wait where is the default player model
15:17	IcyDiamond	or whats it called
15:17	tenplus1	character.b3d
15:18	twoelk	hm, a wizard waving a wand might also look nice :-D
15:18	tenplus1	lol twoelk, would be fun :D
15:18	twoelk	we realy do need hats in minetest
15:19	Krock	we really need fox tails in minetest
15:19	IhrFussel	Okay it's not an engine bug...it was a mod that removes all objects near the player when they leave ... I added an entity name check to that callback now and everything works fine again
15:19	tenplus1	+10000... was thinking that a week ago, could make hat models that attach to player using 3d_armor and different textures for different hats
15:19	tenplus1	kewl fussel
15:21	* twoelk	had once extended th 3d_armor model to include fancy old helmets with. plumes, tails and viking horns or wings
15:23	twoelk	didn't look convincing and has since been lost
15:23	IcyDiamond	hmm, where do i get textures for npcs
15:23	IcyDiamond	will minecraft skins work?
15:23	IcyDiamond	xD
15:23	tenplus1	a helmet object with a plantlike + on top could be used with multiple textures to handle hats and addons on top
15:25	tenplus1	that way you could have a helmet and depending on texture add things like ears or mohawk etc
15:27	BillyS	o/ tenplus1
15:27	tenplus1	hi billy
15:30	twoelk	the goblin mobs have interesting heads
15:31	tenplus1	yeahhhh, that's exactly what I mean... depending on the texture used you can have crowns and different hair etc :)
15:31	tenplus1	great for a hats mod
15:31	tenplus1	or at least the default model
15:33	twoelk	lol, an animated gesture taking of the hat when entering buildings of worship might be fun
15:34	tenplus1	hahahaha
15:34	tenplus1	and the fedora has a sound "m'lady"
15:38	tenplus1	animated hats would be funny tho
15:39	BillyS	!server Blocky Survival
15:39	MinetestBot	BillyS: Blocky Survival \| mt.packets4hire.com:30005 \| Clients: 16/50, 6/23 \| Version: 0.4.17 / minetest_game_modified \| Ping: 91ms
15:39	BillyS	Oh yay
15:42	tenplus1	!server xanadu
15:42	MinetestBot	tenplus1: Xanadu \| 98.166.127.241 \| Clients: 3/40, 3/14 \| Version: 0.4.16 / minetest \| Ping: 109ms
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15:45	tenplus1	hi mister
15:45	Mr_Pardison	hello
15:48	BillyS	yayperdizon
15:48	BillyS	*pardizon
15:56	tenplus1	Mr_Pordizord...
15:56	tenplus1	:P
15:57	tenplus1	what's new with you dude ?
15:58	Mr_Pardison	well, looking online for college syllabi and any required textbooks for my classes.
15:59	tenplus1	ekk... textbook prices
16:07	twoelk	textbooks? like those to scribble sidenotes into? not gone fully digital yet?
16:08	tenplus1	prolly... I hate that college textbooks are so ridiculously priced...
16:09	A-Hamilton	worst thing is that I can't find either a syllabus for that specific professor and class combo or any textbooks that would be needed for them.
16:09	tenplus1	what's the class ?
16:09	twoelk	what's the subject? ( not that I would have any booklist )
16:10	* twoelk	types toooooo sloooow
16:10	A-Hamilton	I can't find anything for any of them that I am taking.
16:11	twoelk	ah, so finding the correct resources is the first task to master
16:11	A-Hamilton	yup.
16:11	twoelk	wicked
16:12	twoelk	no older fellows selling info? :-D
16:14	tenplus1	you'd think the class itself would provide reading materials to pass the course
16:14	rubenwardy	Yeah, it'll cost £200 and be written by the professor
16:15	tenplus1	they prolly do just that, recommend their own books so they get a sale
16:16	twoelk	sigh - researching for obscure information and the casual access to the most fascinating semipublic libraries is something I really miss from university
16:17	tenplus1	heh
16:18	twoelk	we often had older students selling, er cough, handing out for a little copy fee transcripts of previous years
16:18	tenplus1	glad to hear :) gotta recoup some of the costs and getrid of the books you only use once :D
16:19	twoelk	just informative enough to get an idea but not enough to be able to skip the course alltogether and learn at home
16:20	* twoelk	is terrified by the idea of selling his books - however useless they may be for him
16:23	* Shara	can't imagine studying anywhere other than home...
16:24	tenplus1	hi shara
16:25	tenplus1	agree'd... I like studying at home better :D with internet access
16:25	Shara	Well, it's what I do.
16:25	twoelk	I sometimes did research jobs on old buildings in libraries and archives. I loved doing that and was sometimes paid quite ridiculous amounts of money - but in the end ends never met financially
16:25	Shara	And in general I've found it so much better than needing to attend classes like I did the first time I studied
16:26	Shara	But then I also often work from home as well
16:26	twoelk	but then you miss the talking to peers
16:26	twoelk	or to the prof
16:28	Shara	I did one degree actually attending somewhere... to be honest, it's something I'm happy to miss
16:28	twoelk	on the other end I like burrowing into old archives - where you often don't meet anyone for days :-D
16:28	rubenwardy	> Implying people talk to people, anyway
16:28	Shara	I know, just crazy
16:29	Shara	I also wouldn't be able to study like that again because my job comes first
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16:29	twoelk	sigh - the need to earn money indeed
16:30	tenplus1	hi Darcidride
16:30	rubenwardy	Sigh
16:30	twoelk	I wish there were more jobs where you got paid for learning
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16:31	tenplus1	wb Gael-de-Sailly
16:31	tenplus1	any course that would better your current job should be paid for by your workplace
16:31	Shara	twoelk: technically mine is one
16:32	twoelk	well where I work now started like that for me
16:32	Shara	I had to agree to raise my qualifications just to get the job
16:33	Shara	But yea, in general it would be good if more employers encouraged learning
16:33	twoelk	they wanted to merge databases and let me experiment for a year - was wonderfull - learnt a lot and did the impossible
16:34	twoelk	funfact, I never studied any computer science related stuff (officially)
16:35	Shara	I hadn't, then one day I realised I kind of wanted to, and it suddenly made enough sense with everything else I was doing.
16:35	Shara	So started studying and also looked for excuses to try and write code of any kind at all (hello MT modding :D)
16:36	tenplus1	mt modding can be fun, brought me back into programming from an old basic/pascal/cobol background :D
16:38	twoelk	basically I'm a somewhat upgraded draughtsman with basic civil engineering skills and too much interest in old buildings
16:38	tenplus1	that's a good thing in it's own way due, modern vs old architecture
16:39	tenplus1	style and function etc :)
16:41	twoelk	and I've always been some sort of middleman between the hands on construction world and the digital world
16:41	tenplus1	Richard Jeffried has minetest videos that kinda lean into architecture with his builds :)
16:41	tenplus1	quite fascinating
16:42	* benrob0329	wonders when the next building competition will be on Xanadu
16:43	twoelk	my first real program was in basic for a programmable calculater to calculate the dewpoint in walls considering different materials
16:43	tenplus1	hi benrob :)
16:43	benrob0329	and whether or not it's "bring your own blocks"
16:43	tenplus1	many new buildings are cropping up on the Xanadu thread on forum :P they are really nice
16:44	tenplus1	handy tool twoelk :) my first was an animation program on my c16 Plus4
16:44	A-Hamilton	tenplus1: is my stuff still good and not for sale?
16:45	tenplus1	lol, you were on last in may, so 6 months after that is wrecking crew party :D
16:45	tenplus1	of coruse any good builds are kept :D
16:45	* benrob0329	is finding ffmpeg to be an invaluable tool for production
16:45	A-Hamilton	so then I'm still good for another couple of months but I'll try and hop on if I can.
16:47	twoelk	last time I visited my little meadow near spawn I just couldn't start hacking down the trees for another building, it looks so pretty, so I extended my caverns somewhat
16:47	twoelk	on xanadu that is
16:48	tenplus1	Xanadu now has an area called Second Spawn that is like the older server... 4 huge roads where players can build alongside them :P
16:51	* twoelk	looks around - all alone in the office? - lets do some minetesting pssssssss
16:53	A-Hamilton	heh
16:53	tenplus1	lolol
16:58	Shara	tenplus1: Stopppp.. now I'll have to show up to look at it
16:58	tenplus1	lolol
16:59	tenplus1	if it helps, each of the big roads at Second Spawn ends in a special build with charity chests :D
17:02	Shara	I don't care about chests, just about nice buildings :P
17:03	tenplus1	oh many of those :D
17:03	* Shara	gives up and signs in
17:03	tenplus1	afflatus, waffle and many others are building nice things :
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17:23	tenplus1	hi gary
17:24	garywhite	hi 11
17:31	twoelk	gtg, might join again later tonight
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18:11	tenplus1	Shara: -50 should be a good level to enable the darkness ?
18:13	Shara	I would think so
18:13	tenplus1	:P
18:32	tenplus1	thanks Shara, works like a charm :D
18:33	Shara	You have it running? :D
18:33	tenplus1	only on standalone for testing :D will go live tonight with new Bow changes :)
18:34	Shara	Awesome :D
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18:42	tenplus1	o/ andro
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19:01	tenplus1	wb
19:01	Krock	ty
19:02	Krock	computer froze again entirely. no idea why. It might need some compressed air soon
19:02	tenplus1	dust buildup ?
19:02	Krock	not really, no. That's why I find it a bit strange
19:02	tenplus1	what os ?
19:03	Krock	still ubuntu 18.04. Since this now happened after ~10 hours of uptime, I doubt that it's a kernel issue or anything related to software
19:03	tenplus1	power surge
19:08	benrob0329	Krock: Ubuntu or a spin?
19:09	Krock	a spin towards X
19:11	tenplus1	what's the spin called ?
19:11	benrob0329	X + ubuntu
19:12	benrob0329	I'd assume Xubuntu
19:12	Krock	I thought that would be self-explanatory.. yes.
19:12	tenplus1	lol, Xubuntu is ok, use that one myself :) nice n stable
19:13	* benrob0329	uses Fedora, machine still running fine >15 hours after boot
19:16	tenplus1	Xanadu runs Xubuntu and has been online for many weeks now which is nice :P
19:17	benrob0329	Xubuntu? Its a server though
19:17	benrob0329	why not Ubuntu Server/Debian?
19:17	Krock	I'd rather go for Debian when running a server, but I guess Ubuntu is okay too
19:17	tenplus1	cause Shinji isnt tech savvy and Xubuntu works really well and gives him a full desktop to use inbetween server work
19:18	benrob0329	I see
19:22	* longerstaff13	peers out from the attic
19:23	tenplus1	wblonger
19:32	aerozoic	wtf? my server just crashed from this: "2018-07-30 19:27:25: ERROR[ConnectionSend]: src/network/connection.cpp:60d: bool con::ConnectionSendThread::rawSendAsPacket(u16, u8, SharedBuffer<u8>, bool): A fatal error occured: Trying to send raw packet reliable but no peer found!"
19:33	tenplus1	o.O if a server cannot find a client it shouldnt crash... damn!
19:34	sofar	yeah, bug in engine
19:34	aerozoic	There were also many attempts to join by an invalid playername just prior
19:34	sofar	which version?
19:34	aerozoic	4.16
19:35	Fixer	Krock: check PSU voltages, check badblocks on your hard-drive, check videocard
19:36	Krock	there's no version 4.16
19:37	tenplus1	lol
19:37	Krock	Fixer: I'll go for the option of compressed air and check whether it still happens afterwards
19:38	Krock	it's not a HDD issue - the computer does not simply freeze entirely (mouse inclusive, and sound) when the HDD is faulty
19:42	Fixer	Krock: it did for me long time ago on WinXP
19:42	Fixer	Krock: check temps, voltages, then try loading all cores for some time
19:48	Fixer	the more I look into mc, the more silly it gets
19:48	Fixer	especially farming of everything
19:48	Fixer	with some trully overpowered stuff
19:48	tenplus1	how so ?
19:48	Fixer	it is like not original beta minecraft... where you just mine, travel on carts, build simple
19:49	tenplus1	they;ve added far too much ?#
19:51	Fixer	it is huge farming capabilities
19:51	Fixer	you farm gold via... killing a mob
19:51	Fixer	on huge scale
19:52	Fixer	or silly iron farms
19:52	Fixer	on huge scale
19:52	Fixer	it is not about mining anymore :D
19:52	tenplus1	that's making it too easy, kinda like the papyrus or wood ore mod we have on mt
19:52	Fixer	same for travel, you travel via flying now
19:53	Fixer	carts are not needed much
19:55	Fixer	join any survival server and you find this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtHzOsqSyDk
19:56	Fixer	or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L9IW_wrYo0
19:56	Fixer	or huge loot farms
19:56	Fixer	or AFK fishing
19:57	A-Hamilton	Flitzpiepe has made an auto-fisher using pipeworks.
19:57	tenplus1	I prefer the infinite clicking of an ethereal fishing pole on water :DDD
19:58	Fixer	also, if you look at blocks in MC these days... there are shiiiiit-tons of blocks, now you have even different colour buttons...
19:58	tenplus1	overkill and fluff...
19:58	Fixer	game is so complex, and gameplay is so silly
19:59	Fixer	only thing you mine is diamonds... then you build xp grinder farm, with loot output, afk fish, iron and gold farm, villager farm, autochicken/pumpkin/melonfarm, enderman farm, it is crazy
19:59	tenplus1	I do like mc's hedges though, simple trunk block surrounded by leaves... no need for separate nodes
20:00	Fixer	game has became one big gameplay exploit
20:01	Fixer	even snow farms...
20:01	Fixer	you place just one snow golem, and just mine snow indefinitely
20:01	Fixer	voila
20:01	tenplus1	hrm, too eaasy
20:02	Fixer	maybe that is why there are so many hardcore farms and contraptions in mc
20:02	Fixer	people wanting to exploit the system
20:03	Fixer	in minetest you can't exploit anything much -> it is empty :D
20:04	tenplus1	true :P
20:04	tenplus1	and if you do find a glitch to exploit the system it's usually fixed quickly :D
20:04	A-Hamilton	you could exploit smartshops until the latest fix.
20:05	Fixer	but that is a mod
20:05	A-Hamilton	you were able to put an item with a wear rate for the price of itself and 1 of that in stock and get a brand new tool.
20:05	Fixer	try to exploit plane mtg...
20:05	Fixer	it has no mobs, no water push, no machines, no automation...
20:05	tenplus1	it's all in what you make it to be :D
20:06	Fixer	i would still like to see it having mobs, with some basic automatic, switches, plates, loot (not overpowered)
20:07	tenplus1	xdecor has simple plates and switches that handle doors only
20:07	tenplus1	dungeon loot has been added to 0.5
20:07	tenplus1	mobs is a big thing which prolly needs the api converted to c++
20:08	Fixer	i know
20:08	tenplus1	pathfinding needs an upgrade so it can whitelist nodes to pass through
20:08	Fixer	but mc went further, added shipwrecks with loot, some dungeons, mines, etc
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20:17	tenplus1	lol
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20:19	tenplus1	wb Gael-de-Sailly
20:19	Gael-de-Sailly	Hi again
20:20	tenplus1	Xanadu updated with new Bows and undersky
20:34	tenplus1	nite all o/
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21:04	IhrFussel	Does it make sense to cleanup /players while the server runs?
21:05	IhrFussel	I only want to touch player files that are long untouched
21:33	longerstaff13	I would touch files while the server is offline, don't wanna corrupt anything :P <- IhrFussel
21:34	IhrFussel	The worst that can happen is a broken/missing inventory I'd guess
21:35	IhrFussel	Still happens in 0.4.17.1 ... segfault caused by Server::SendMovePlayer(unsigned short)
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