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00:01 Shiftus100 Hello
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03:41 dakotalongears How many people are on here
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04:36 Polsaker Zeno` lies
04:36 Polsaker :p
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04:37 Zeno` ?
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06:40 hmmmm http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-Discloses-Full-Memory-Structure-and-Limitations-GTX-970
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07:06 TriBlade9 You don't know what "hard" is until you've tried to create all the rail textures in an 8x8 texturepack. -.-
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07:11 MinetestBot [git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Fix missing map_meta.txt error when creating new worlds eeea454 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/eeea454bff0cfcda495c20029a0246f63f14393e (2015-01-27T02:10:04-05:00)
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09:31 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Chocolate Cake Day! :-D
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10:24 Megaf JamesTait: really?
10:24 Megaf Is it chocolate cake day today?
10:25 JamesTait Megaf, it's on the intarwebz, it must be true. ;)
10:25 JamesTait https://www.daysoftheyear.com/days/chocolate-cake-day/
10:25 Megaf Sure, interwebz == trueness
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12:40 Nyeh hi
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12:45 Nyeh hello ^-^
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12:51 Nyeh can somebody help me? :(
12:52 jin_xi Nyeh: its probably best to just ask your question and hang around for a bit.
12:52 jin_xi eventually someone will hopefully answer!
12:52 Nyeh alright, thank you ^^
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12:53 Nyeh well, I tried installing the moreblocks mod, I even renamed the folder, but doesn't work.
12:53 jin_xi did you activate the mod in world configuration?
12:53 Nyeh my minetest is 0.4.9
12:54 ThatGraemeGuy that's pretty ancient you should update
12:54 jin_xi also i think the new ores only show up in terrain that is freshly generated, so if you add it to a existing world you wont get the ored
12:54 ThatGraemeGuy moreblocks has had a lot of work lately and probably only works with at least 0.4.11 stable
12:55 ThatGraemeGuy jin_xi: moreblocks doesn't generate ores, you may be thinking of moreores
12:55 jin_xi oh, blocksm not ores
12:55 * jin_xi should learn to read
12:55 jin_xi and type...
12:57 Nyeh haha it's alright, well, I don't know how to update, i installed it using apt-get, because I still don't know how to open linux executable
12:58 jin_xi hm, building yourself is not that hard if you apt-get all the dependencies
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12:58 ThatGraemeGuy Nyeh: its better to just build it from the git source, the packages that you get from your distro are typically outdated quickly. Use this, it's not as hard as you might think: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=3837
12:59 Nyeh alright let me see
12:59 ThatGraemeGuy I use the "portable" method which keeps it all contained in my home directory
13:01 Nyeh I'm doing what you told me, it's downloading, thank you for the help! ^-^
13:02 Nyeh And for the friendlyness, i was afraid about how you all would react :x
13:02 ThatGraemeGuy no problem
13:03 ThatGraemeGuy yeah we're all friendly until you leave then we will discuss how we really feel
13:03 ThatGraemeGuy kidding :P
13:03 Nyeh I have another question: would the single command line posted on that thread work on Debian? I don't really like using Ubuntu
13:04 ThatGraemeGuy I'm using Debian
13:04 ThatGraemeGuy also the title of the thread starts "[Debian / Ubuntu]..."
13:04 Nyeh So it will work I suppose
13:05 Nyeh Oh forgive me, I was looking for a quick answer and didn't even read the title carefully
13:05 ThatGraemeGuy :-)
13:05 ThatGraemeGuy then once you've got that working to update you just cd into your minetest dir, and do 'git pull ; cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 ; make -j5'
13:06 Nyeh I used to use Windows, i'm very new to using Linux
13:07 Nyeh But i think i know what you mean
13:07 Nyeh Run this command so i don't have to use the same line again and again right?
13:08 ThatGraemeGuy yeah
13:08 Nyeh i'm feeling smart :P
13:08 ThatGraemeGuy most of that long line is just putting dependencies in place, and checking out the code
13:08 ThatGraemeGuy once that is done you just need to pull in the new updates and recompile
13:08 Nyeh I like how everything seems to be automated, just tell the computer what to do and youre done
13:09 n4x you don't tell the computer what to do
13:09 n4x you tell the computer what the problem is
13:09 Nyeh I'm downloading Linux Mint Debian Edition, so it should work right?
13:09 * n4x throws a prolog compilerat Nyeh
13:10 Nyeh lol
13:10 Nyeh * checks what a prolog compiler is
13:10 ThatGraemeGuy yeah it will work
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13:11 Nyeh Do any of you develop mods for minetest?
13:12 n4x Nyeh: prolog is a "logic" programming language, where you state facts about something, relations, and then the 'language' solves the problem
13:13 Nyeh fascinating n4x
13:13 n4x http://dpaste.com/0TPYKQ7 a silly example in datalog (also logic programming, I also don't know the language pretty well so it may be non-standard code)
13:13 n4x friend(X,Y) :- enemy(X,W) , enemy(W,Y).
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13:13 Nyeh Why is your name red though? it's my first time using IRC btw.
13:13 n4x "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"
13:13 n4x because I said your nick
13:13 n4x like this, Nyeh
13:14 n4x if you want to write stuff like
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13:14 * n4x this or that
13:14 Nyeh n4x like this
13:14 n4x you can use the "/me" command
13:14 n4x yes Nyeh
13:14 n4x /me this or that <- example :p
13:14 * Nyeh test
13:14 n4x it's used for "third-person comments" :p
13:15 Nyeh but my name isn't red :(
13:15 n4x Nyeh: another thing, you can autocomplete nicks using "tab"
13:15 * Nyeh throws a Windows Surface at n4x
13:15 n4x example over here, Ny[tab] = Nyeh
13:15 n4x heh
13:15 n4x Nyeh: those settings can be changed in your irc client, probably
13:15 Nyeh n4x:  oh
13:16 Nyeh IRC looks so retro
13:16 n4x it's old
13:16 n4x old but gold!
13:17 Caleneledh IRC is retro lol. Been around since the 80s.  Still works well though.
13:17 Nyeh haha ^-^
13:17 Nyeh I like it though, seems reliable, and I don't have to give my email nor watch banners with adds :P
13:18 n4x you can register an account though, and if you are going to use it you'd probably like doing it
13:18 n4x as it can enforce ownership over a nick
13:19 Caleneledh Yeah, stop someone from spoofing you.
13:19 n4x Nyeh: if you want to look at this, '' /msg nickserv help register '' will give you some info
13:19 n4x it isn't required (in some channels it may be, but not here)
13:20 Nyeh Hmm, I don't know, maybe, i'm kind of paranoid with these things haha
13:21 Nyeh I'll probably make an email just for that then
13:21 n4x you can't use junk emails, btw, Freenode blocks them
13:21 n4x (junk as uh, temporary (?))
13:22 n4x you won't get anything that you don't want in the email, if you are worried about that
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13:34 Nyeh No, i just mean using an email which i use only for registering in places. not junk mail.
13:35 Nyeh I don't want to login on my existing one from this computer for paranoia/security reasons
13:36 n4x ah, I see
13:36 n4x I told you just in case :P
13:36 Nyeh Graeme, moreblocks is working now, everything is, thank you
13:37 Nyeh I see, thank you n4x ^-^
13:38 ThatGraemeGuy great! enjoy!
13:42 Nyeh I encounterng 'undeclared' errors all over the place now.
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13:43 Nyeh undeclared NPC/Player inside ghost.lua or something
13:43 Nyeh undeclared inside a function
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13:48 Nyeh but the ghost seem to work though
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13:50 ThatGraemeGuy make sure all your mods are up to date
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13:52 Nyeh I think it is, i downloaded everything from the forums
13:53 ThatGraemeGuy figure out which mod/s cause errors and post in their respective forums
13:54 Nyeh There should be a way to update things in-game xD
13:58 Neolink_ Does anyone help me
13:58 ThatGraemeGuy not unless you ask a question
13:58 Neolink_ i can't understand how to get out of house-spawn
13:58 Neolink_ 98.166.169.32
14:04 Neolink_ anyone help?
14:06 ThatGraemeGuy there seem to be teleport pads you just stand on to go somewhere
14:12 Neolink_ i stand on but noting happens
14:15 ThatGraemeGuy you'll need to ask one of the server admins then, it worked for me
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15:08 Neolink_ how many RAM is reuired for plaing?
15:09 Nyeh I've read it's not too much.
15:10 Caleneledh I play just fine with 2GB ram.  It can depend on things such as server settings, mods you have running, textures you are using
15:10 Neolink_ but i have a problem with a 0,5 Gb
15:10 Nyeh It seems it's using about 300mb of RAM on my machine.
15:10 Neolink_ for online.
15:10 Nyeh It may be your connection then.
15:11 Neolink_ May be
15:11 Neolink_ I have slow internet
15:12 Neolink_ But i don't see half blocks on servers
15:12 Neolink_ I suggest it's RAM
15:12 Nyeh Does it happen offline?
15:13 Neolink_ no
15:13 Caleneledh When you open things like chests etc, does it take a long time?
15:13 Nyeh Well it's weird that you suggest it's RAm when it only happens online and when yourself said your connection is slow.
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15:14 Neolink_ But when  i am plaing online
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15:15 Neolink_ Blocks  is downloaded around another users
15:15 Neolink_ I see it far along
15:16 Nyeh Yes from the server, as far as I can tell. Slow internet = slow downloads = slow online Minetest. or so i think. >_>
15:19 Neolink_ But in this case Its must appear litle by little
15:19 shadowzone I play with 4 gigs.
15:20 Neolink_ Does anyone plaing with 0,5 Gb?
15:20 shadowzone My brother did
15:21 Neolink_ in this case it's my connection
15:23 Caleneledh When my connection is slow, it can be a nightmare to play online.
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15:24 Neolink_ by the way as my English?
15:24 Caleneledh Hmm is someone doing some work on forum.minetest.net?  Getting 502 errors.
15:25 Neolink_ Yuo understand me well?
15:27 Neolink_ i too have 502 on minetest 502
15:28 kahrl I jinxed it by talking about web applications
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15:46 kaeza greetings
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15:52 kaeza well, good news: no spam on the forums
15:52 kaeza bad news: no forums either :/
15:54 shadowzone I noticed that.
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16:10 Yellowberry Hello everyone!
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16:10 Yellowberry hi shadowzone
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16:10 shadowzone Hello Yellowberry
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16:11 shadowzone Who are you again?
16:12 Yellowberry I have previously gone by the aliases zsoltisawesome and realtinymonster
16:13 Yellowberry the guy who came up with Moontest, and then shortly after, abandoned it
16:13 Yellowberry its funny how only 1 or 2 people in ##windows care enought to help people
16:13 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Fix a crash (assert) when client set serial version < 24 in INIT 80a7408 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/80a7408e4d17e0e388f2d45fb90c5524a5dd7c89 (2015-01-27T16:55:25+01:00)
16:14 Yellowberry so what's new in 0.4.11?
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16:15 Yellowberry is the "Don't screw with minetest_game" rule still in place?
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16:15 Yellowberry hello Pest
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16:17 Pest hi
16:17 ShadowNinja Yellowberry: No.
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16:50 Caleneledh I have to say, as someone who has used svn for 13 years (and cvs for even longer) I love git!  It's so much more useful.
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17:06 Caleneledh Is there a setting to change how far away you can point at something?
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17:20 Caleneledh ls
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17:31 kaeza Caleneledh, https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/creative/init.lua#L139
17:36 Caleneledh Hmm, I was hoping there was a way to change it when not in creative mode.  Nvm.
17:36 Caleneledh Thanks anyway.
17:38 kaeza what
17:39 kaeza the code I linked is what you need to add to a mod; you don't need to be in creative mode unless you specifically code it to only be available in creative mode
17:41 Caleneledh Ahh, I see what you mean.
17:46 DFeniks would that also allow to register tool with very big or short range?
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17:58 kaeza DFeniks, sure, just override/register the particular tool setting the `range` field to the distance in nodes
17:58 Calinou don't set range to a value > 13
17:58 Calinou it won't work
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18:23 Caleneledh I think what I need to do is write a mode that overrides all tools and sets their range to 10.
18:23 Calinou override the hand, Caleneledh
18:23 Calinou this is what is done in creative mod already
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18:25 Nyeh It's Calinou!! >o>
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18:26 rubenwardy Hi all!
18:28 Caleneledh emacs init.lua
18:28 Caleneledh oops wrong frame
18:29 Calinou Nyeh, ?
18:29 sfan5 Caleneledh: http://xkcd.com/378/
18:33 Caleneledh You're not the first person to share that with me lol
18:38 Nyeh I'm just happy to meet you in person... Well, in chat. It's like, you're so... "reachale". >.>
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18:44 Calinou Nyeh, where do you know me from?
18:44 Nyeh From the forums haha
18:44 Nyeh I downloaded your mods ^^
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19:16 Nyeh Bye everyone, thanks for the help ^
19:16 Nyeh *^^
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19:25 Polsaker today's clone day
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20:10 niebieski Hey guys, the 4.11 is not available for Ubuntu/Linux Mint yet ?
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20:11 rubenwardy niebieski, most people just compile it.
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20:11 ThatGraemeGuy niebieski: just build it, the distro packages are never up to date for something that updates as often as minetest
20:11 ThatGraemeGuy niebieski: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=42&amp;t=3837
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20:16 niebieski I don't download from Ubuntu's repository, I downloaded 4.10 from Minetest's repository.
20:20 est31 ShadowNinja: is the fact that the areas mod doesn't tell are limits a feature or a bug?
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20:23 PilzAdam niebieski, the PPA should have 0.4.11
20:24 niebieski PilzAdam, I don't know but it does not.
20:24 PilzAdam https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable
20:24 PilzAdam it's 0.4.11
20:25 niebieski Yes but on my software center using this same PPA there is the 0.4.10
20:26 PilzAdam which version of ubuntu do you use?
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20:27 niebieski Precise.
20:27 niebieski I think this is the problem, the build failed for this one.
20:28 PilzAdam ah, I remember
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20:28 PilzAdam I wonder why nobody fixed this...
20:29 niebieski I think I'll try and compile it my self.
20:30 niebieski Hope I don't run out of space.
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23:15 younishd using dreambuilder game, why are blocks not infinite?
23:16 younishd shouldn't they be infinite in creative mode?
23:20 est31 ask VanessaE, but she probably made that to easily log how many ppl take from the creative inventory.
23:21 VanessaE actually, I didn't do that
23:22 VanessaE and I *hate* infinite blocks because it makes crafting a pain in the ass./
23:22 VanessaE click-drag-drop, click-drag-drop, click-drag-drop, click-drag-drop, click-drag-drop, ....
23:26 VanessaE I *did* make the stacks finite but only by deleting the default creative mod, but why they're finite in UI isn't my doing (as far as I remember) as much as it was my insistence ;)
23:28 younishd VanessaE: yeah i saw that xD
23:28 younishd no more mods/creative/
23:29 younishd any way to get infinite blocks however?
23:29 VanessaE I guess just re-install the creative mod from minetest_game
23:30 younishd VanessaE: would it work to just copy over the mods/creative from minetest_game?
23:30 VanessaE there's an essentially empty copy of it in dreambuilder, which you should be able to just directly replace.
23:30 younishd yeah saw that
23:30 younishd k, i'll try that (:
23:30 VanessaE good lkuck
23:30 VanessaE luck*
23:30 younishd thanks ^^
23:36 younishd VanessaE: worked :D
23:36 younishd awesome game btw <3
23:37 VanessaE cheers :)

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