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bobomb |
anybody ever seen minetest.deserialize drop sub-tables but not all of them? |
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simon1982 |
Hello all! I'm trying to run the tutorial (tutorial 1.8.0/minetest 0.4.9/Linux Mint 17), and when I press 'Play" I am getting the error "ERROR: /home/simon/.minetest/games/tutorial/mods/default/plauer.lua:146: attempt to call method 'set local animation' (a nil value)". Might someone please advise me how to fix the issue? |
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kahrl |
simon1982: 0.4.9 is very old and probably lacks some features required by the tutorial |
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simon1982 |
I'm overdue for a Mint upgrade anyway. Thanks! |
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technomancy |
so would you say your OS isn't in... |
| 02:38 |
technomancy |
Mint condition |
| 02:38 |
technomancy |
( •_•) ( -_-)~âŒâ– -â– (âŒâ– _â– )> |
| 02:41 |
LandMine |
technomancy i think the shades go before the "mint condition" statement |
| 02:42 |
technomancy |
dangit |
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* Pilcrow |
is encoding video, playing pokemon, watching a stargate rerun and chatting in irc. Hooray for multitasking! :P |
| 03:09 |
LandMine |
Pilcrow what pokemon game are you playing? |
| 03:10 |
Pilcrow |
FireRed, in an emulator, slightly hacked. :P |
| 03:11 |
Pilcrow |
(although I DO own the actual FireRed cartridge as well) |
| 03:11 |
LandMine |
nice, i used to play that all the time on my phone with the myboy emulator |
| 03:11 |
Pilcrow |
yup, I'm using RetroArch on my nVidia Shield. :) |
| 03:12 |
LandMine |
i dont remember what i was using but you can also play fire red multiplayer online |
| 03:12 |
LandMine |
i played it like 1 week i got owned so i was like "forget this" |
| 03:14 |
Pilcrow |
yeah, I think that's possible in retroarch too, but I've never used the online features. |
| 03:16 |
Pilcrow |
specifically, I'm using a Shield Portable. |
| 03:16 |
Pilcrow |
this: http://i.imgur.com/RHT8BU3.jpg |
| 03:17 |
LandMine |
sorry i live in Mexico we have ps2 and below here |
| 03:17 |
Pilcrow |
bought it new and couldn't be happier with it. a portable Android console with over 2x the capabilities of a sony vita. :3 |
| 03:17 |
LandMine |
hahaha |
| 03:17 |
LandMine |
jk |
| 03:17 |
LandMine |
i have never seen that thing you just posted a picture of |
| 03:18 |
Pilcrow |
they didn't sell it for very long. the marketing was all wrong, so no one bought it... |
| 03:22 |
LandMine |
Pilcrow this is what i was talking about https://pokemmo.eu/ |
| 03:22 |
LandMine |
its just for pc though |
| 03:24 |
Pilcrow |
Ah! yes, there are a few different things like that. I haven't used that one, but I've used this one before and it works well: http://pokemonshowdown.com/ |
| 03:25 |
Pilcrow |
^ that's _just_ battles though |
| 03:26 |
LandMine |
looks interesting |
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Pilcrow |
it's not bad. here's a video of it in action (not by me): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rG3JhkJ19k |
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Pilcrow |
!seen Pilcrow |
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MinetestBot |
Pilcrow: pilcrow was last seen at 2015-05-18 03:24:19 UTC on #minetest |
| 03:35 |
Pilcrow |
heh. bot's still broken. not as bad now as before, but I've been on plenty of times since may 18th... :P |
| 03:35 |
Pilcrow |
~seen Pilcrow |
| 03:35 |
ShadowBot |
Pilcrow: I saw Pilcrow in #minetest 16 seconds ago saying "heh. bot's still broken. not as bad now as before, but I've been on plenty of times since may 18th... :P" |
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Pilcrow |
heh. looks like the other one works fine, lol. |
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Pilcrow |
hey technomancy, you around? |
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technomancy |
Pilcrow: for a bit |
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technomancy |
what's up? |
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Pilcrow |
hi! I poked around with the idea of reloading a mod's init.lua on the fly, but haven't applied it to your code yet. had to use a couple of hacky workarounds to get it working, so I'm not quite happy with it yet. I've made a proof-of-concept here though: https://github.com/Pilcrow182/reload |
| 03:46 |
technomancy |
Pilcrow: what kind of workarounds? |
| 03:46 |
technomancy |
I actually created a reload script in the OS that should be able to both refresh the in-OS filesystem as well as reloading the OS code, but I haven't tested it much |
| 03:48 |
technomancy |
I'm actually most interested in sending code directly from Emacs to the running minetest instance, but I figured this would be a good start |
| 03:51 |
Pilcrow |
oh, I was talking about what we discussed the night before last, where you wanted to reload the lua files without restarting the server? well, the simple idea was to wrap item/node registry in a check of minetest.registered_nodes, but that would make it impossible to override existing nodes. for the sake of reusability and future-proofing, I made my own 'registered items' table in my code. |
| 03:51 |
technomancy |
oh right; the idempotency part specifically |
| 03:51 |
technomancy |
cool |
| 03:53 |
est31 |
registering nodes dynamically requires deep architecture changes |
| 03:54 |
est31 |
and IMO its not worth those |
| 03:55 |
Pilcrow |
est31: we're talking about skipping node registery if the server has already reloaded the mod. did you look at my little example? |
| 03:56 |
Pilcrow |
actually, skipping mod registry on a reload of the .lua file, if the file has already been loaded once. |
| 03:56 |
technomancy |
yeah, separating out the node registration from the rest of the logic is worth doing just for making reloads simpler too |
| 03:58 |
Pilcrow |
very true technomancy. better to put the node registration into its own file than work on a crazy wrapper anyway :P |
| 03:58 |
technomancy |
well, I mean if we can get it working for both, that's great; it's just that if it becomes too much of a mess, we have a workaround =) |
| 04:00 |
technomancy |
I need to start hooking up servers to other digiline-savvy nodes |
| 04:01 |
Pilcrow |
we could also use a decent 'prettyprint' replacement for minetest.(de)serialize when running your code from the cli... :P |
| 04:01 |
technomancy |
yeah, that'd be nice too |
| 04:04 |
technomancy |
speaking of reloading, is there a way to do something like x = x or {} for top-level module tables without causing a warning when you run it for the first time that x is undefined? |
| 04:05 |
technomancy |
aha, maybe _G["x"] |
| 04:05 |
Pilcrow |
I'm thinking that prettyprint thing might better for glob support too (which is much harder than I initially thought); string splitting/matching/manipulation is infinitely easier than looping and scanning through tables... :P |
| 04:08 |
technomancy |
I feel like if you dump everything into a string it would be really hard to avoid false positives |
| 04:10 |
Pilcrow |
I guess so. I'm just not as good at tables as I thought. need to figure out how to recurse through them.. |
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Pilcrow |
hello Jordach :) |
| 04:23 |
technomancy |
can someone point me to an example of a door controlled by digilines? |
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exio4 |
.tell Calinou I just wrote a quick "multithreaded" version of your silly benchmark, if it matters |
| 05:01 |
exio4 |
!tell Calinou I just wrote a quick "multithreaded" version of your silly benchmark, if it matters |
| 05:01 |
MinetestBot |
exio4: I'll pass that on when Calinou is around |
| 05:01 |
exio4 |
!tell Calinou it's still bottlenecked by stdio, but.. whatever |
| 05:01 |
MinetestBot |
exio4: I'll pass that on when Calinou is around |
| 05:01 |
exio4 |
oh wait, actually.. |
| 05:03 |
exio4 |
10 millon primes generated naively by using a small threadpool + intmap, GC time still was high but expected |
| 05:03 |
exio4 |
only 83% productivity |
| 05:06 |
* cheapie |
is working on a new (MT) traffic light control system |
| 05:06 |
cheapie |
http://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/screenshot_20150608_000428.png |
| 05:06 |
cheapie |
http://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/screenshot_20150608_000451.png |
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Pilcrow182 |
technomancy: I'm not sure what you mean by a door controlled by digilines. |
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technomancy |
Pilcrow182: well, I want to send a digilines signal to open/close doors |
| 05:10 |
cheapie |
technomancy: You could always use an LuaC right at the door. |
| 05:10 |
technomancy |
I guess I need to study how regular doors work first; it's more complex than I thought |
| 05:10 |
technomancy |
cheapie: I need to design a new node for my doors anyway for visual reasons |
| 05:12 |
technomancy |
it looks like >1 sized nodes are just an illusion; in reality it's two nodes that are programmed to act as one? |
| 05:14 |
Pilcrow182 |
well, nodes <can> be programmed with greater sizes, but it causes other problems that way. |
| 05:14 |
* technomancy |
nods |
| 05:14 |
exio4 |
:O it's a wild pi |
| 05:14 |
exio4 |
how is it going |
| 05:14 |
exio4 |
Pilcrow182* |
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Pilcrow182 |
technomancy: for example, with a door that's programmed as a single two-high node, if a falling node (sand, etc.) is updated while above the door, it'll fall halfway through the door and get stuck, never changing back from an entity to a node... |
| 05:16 |
Pilcrow182 |
hello exio4. changed my nick so I could register it; aparently someone else had taken Pilcrow, officially... |
| 05:17 |
exio4 |
that's rude |
| 05:18 |
exio4 |
Pilcrow182: "Pilcrow" is expired |
| 05:18 |
Pilcrow182 |
technomancy: in other words, collision detection is kind of buggy with nodes > 1x1x1 |
| 05:18 |
exio4 |
you can /nick to it, and request in #freenode |
| 05:22 |
Pilcrow182 |
eh, I'm already registered with this one now. wanted to log into a moderated channel and needed +V priviledge, which has now been granted for Pilcrow182. too much messing around to pm people and get granted the priviledge again with a different nick. I'm recognisable either way, lol |
| 05:26 |
Pilcrow182 |
technomancy: also, you could probably make a digiline-compatable door, but I think it may be easier to use a luacontroller to send the door a mesecons signal, since mesecons already opens doors IIRC... |
| 05:27 |
* Pilcrow182 |
has done the above with pistons instead of doors many times |
| 05:34 |
* Pilcrow182 |
is starting to feel that everyone but him is busy tonight... :P |
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Pilcrow182 |
(or should that be 'everyone but he'?) |
| 05:37 |
exio4 |
Pilcrow182: no |
| 05:37 |
exio4 |
I am not busy, I am improving this code |
| 05:38 |
Pilcrow182 |
heh. I assume you mean the benchmarking thing again? |
| 05:40 |
exio4 |
yeah |
| 05:40 |
exio4 |
I got an 17x improvement by just avoiding stdio |
| 05:40 |
exio4 |
dat flawed benchmark |
| 05:44 |
Pilcrow182 |
heh |
| 05:44 |
exio4 |
$ time ./primes +RTS -s |
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exio4 |
11500001 |
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exio4 |
it's using multiple threads :D |
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Pilcrow182 |
lol, it seems stdio is a bottleneck no matter what you do with it... |
| 05:46 |
exio4 |
added one moar thread, now it's at 1.2kM |
| 05:46 |
exio4 |
12049997 |
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exio4 |
mfw I designed this such that the ordering is "kept" yet I throw away info.. |
| 05:47 |
Pilcrow182 |
throw away what info? |
| 05:51 |
exio4 |
Pilcrow182: the ordering |
| 05:51 |
Pilcrow182 |
oh |
| 05:51 |
Pilcrow182 |
heh |
| 05:51 |
Pilcrow182 |
that seems like a rather odd oversight... :P |
| 05:53 |
exio4 |
http://dpaste.com/1X91XGK Pilcrow182 |
| 05:54 |
exio4 |
mvars are lovely |
| 05:56 |
exio4 |
http://dpaste.com/1AENYAJ |
| 05:56 |
exio4 |
new link |
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exio4 |
forgot syntax highlighting now >.> <.< |
| 05:56 |
exio4 |
whatevere |
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* Pilcrow182 |
still has a hard time wrapping his head around Haskell |
| 05:57 |
exio4 |
Pilcrow182: I think I wrote relatively imperative code there though |
| 05:58 |
exio4 |
http://exio4.xyz/~exio4/primes.html |
| 05:58 |
Pilcrow182 |
yes, it's fairly understandable but still gives me a headache lol |
| 05:59 |
exio4 |
why that headache then :p |
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Pilcrow182 |
no reason really. just my brain hanging up on keywords for a second before it realizes I don't really need to know them to understand the calculations involved, lol |
| 06:04 |
exio4 |
which keywords? |
| 06:07 |
exio4 |
good night though |
| 06:07 |
exio4 |
it's really late, shouldn't be here |
| 06:07 |
Pilcrow182 |
ah, alright. I'm going to bed soon too; it's fairly late here as well. good night, exio4 |
| 06:14 |
Pilcrow182 |
well, I should get to bed. I've been awake for about 19 hours now, lol |
| 06:14 |
Pilcrow182 |
goodnight, all. o/ |
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Megaf |
Hi all, |
| 09:16 |
Megaf |
MegafServer/worlds/world/map.sqlite |
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Megaf |
834737664 25% 57.69MB/s 0:00:42 |
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Megaf |
This is backing up from my server in London to my house in Brazil |
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Megaf |
using rsync |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Upsy Daisy Day! 😃 |
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| 09:39 |
Megaf_ |
I wonder how that happens |
| 09:39 |
Megaf_ |
I see myself timing out |
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RealBadAngel |
its a kind of magic ;) |
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_Raiz |
Test. |
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_Raiz |
Can anyone hear me? |
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_Raiz |
Err! |
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RealBadAngel |
whats up? |
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_Raiz |
Finally! |
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technomancy |
has anyone built any higher-level protocols on top of digilines? |
| 12:02 |
technomancy |
I'm thinking it would be nice to have something a bit higher-level, more analogous to HTTP or IP instead of digilines' ethernet-like protocol |
| 12:02 |
Calinou |
http://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/introducing-antimony-free-graph-based-cad-system |
| 12:03 |
technomancy |
sending {target="(1,10,17)", source="(19, 10, 39)", method="open"} |
| 12:04 |
technomancy |
plus allowing nodes to send out pings over digilines to get responses, either from a specific address or to a broadcast ping |
| 12:05 |
technomancy |
does it make sense to use minetest positions as addresses analogous to IPs for such a protocol? |
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Megaf |
technomancy: would you be able of doing that? |
| 12:42 |
technomancy |
Megaf: thinking about it, yeah |
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AndroidKris |
wow, I forgot to sign out last night.lol |
| 12:43 |
Megaf |
AndroidKris: signout from where? |
| 12:43 |
Megaf |
I do never sign out from IRC, lol |
| 12:43 |
AndroidKris |
xchat |
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Megaf |
technomancy: go for it then |
| 12:43 |
Megaf |
:P |
| 12:44 |
Megaf |
hm, I'm not sure if I have digilines active on my server |
| 12:44 |
Megaf |
!server Megaf |
| 12:44 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 1/11, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.12-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 8ms |
| 12:45 |
technomancy |
Megaf: mostly wondering if anyone else would find this useful or have input on the design |
| 12:55 |
DusXMT |
I wonder, what do people find enjoyable about this game? What is your favorite way of playing? What kinds of things do you like doing? (This is not a troll post, just a curious person who plays a game every now and then) |
| 12:56 |
Megaf |
DusXMT: well, I do like exploring the world and caves, mining and building structures, houses and cities |
| 12:59 |
technomancy |
DusXMT: to me writing the mods is more fun than playing ever was =) |
| 13:00 |
Megaf |
yep, I have a Minetest server, and to manage nad administrate it for me is a lot of fun |
| 13:00 |
Megaf |
I write some mods for my server too |
| 13:00 |
Calinou |
usually admining is very boring :P |
| 13:00 |
Megaf |
like the mighty Leprechaun Tools |
| 13:01 |
DusXMT |
Thanks for your opinions guys :) |
| 13:01 |
Calinou |
the sum of the age of all players on a server is often equal to the age of the administrator |
| 13:01 |
Calinou |
:P |
| 13:01 |
DusXMT |
Hehe |
| 13:01 |
Megaf |
Calinou: not on my server, half is 35+ |
| 13:01 |
DusXMT |
However, age != maturity |
| 13:02 |
Megaf |
yep, one of my admins is 12 years old, she is very mature for her age |
| 13:02 |
kilbith |
maturity = experience % age |
| 13:03 |
Megaf |
I'm afraid my server is not totally friendly with annoying children |
| 13:04 |
ThatGraemeGuy |
goodness, I guess Cryterion must be 100+ |
| 13:04 |
ThatGraemeGuy |
not bad going |
| 13:04 |
Megaf |
lol |
| 13:05 |
Megaf |
who else here has a first generation Raspberry Pi Model B? |
| 13:05 |
technomancy |
Megaf: I do |
| 13:05 |
* Calinou |
has no raspi |
| 13:05 |
Megaf |
I'm compiling the Go lang on it right now |
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Calinou |
no packages? |
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Megaf |
I think it will take about 40 minutes |
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Calinou |
anyway, good, sounds like you want to compete with me in benchmarks |
| 13:05 |
Megaf |
Calinou: very old packages |
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Calinou |
raspi vs i7-2600K :D |
| 13:06 |
Megaf |
Calinou: the Raspi has NEON |
| 13:06 |
Calinou |
but few programs use NEON, I think... |
| 13:06 |
Megaf |
And don't ask me what the heck that is |
| 13:06 |
Calinou |
an instruction set |
| 13:06 |
Calinou |
equivalent of SSE for x86 IIRC |
| 13:06 |
DusXMT |
Megaf: What OS? If you're running Debian Wheezy, then it's a better time than ever to switch to jessie (unless you dislike systemd, like me); wheezy's getting pretty old now, so some packages may be "very old" |
| 13:07 |
Megaf |
I know that Raspbian ARMv6 with NEON running on the Raspberry 2 is MUCH quicker to compile stuff than Debian ARMv7 running on the Raspberry 2 |
| 13:07 |
Calinou |
I run stretch :) |
| 13:07 |
Calinou |
there's a keyboard layout issue on Xfce but all else is fine |
| 13:07 |
Calinou |
I have Go 1.4.2, the latest version |
| 13:07 |
Megaf |
Installed Go for linux/arm in /home/git/go |
| 13:07 |
Megaf |
Installed commands in /home/git/go/bin |
| 13:07 |
Megaf |
o/ |
| 13:08 |
Calinou |
meh, just use /usr/local |
| 13:08 |
Calinou |
it's system-wide and safe to use |
| 13:08 |
Calinou |
I installed Godot that way |
| 13:08 |
Calinou |
sudo cp godot.x11.tools.64 /usr/local/bin/godot |
| 13:08 |
Megaf |
Calinou: I will be running only one thing writen in Go |
| 13:09 |
Calinou |
run http://dl.hugo.pro/benchmarks/ |
| 13:09 |
* est31 |
feels uncomfortable with /usr/local |
| 13:09 |
est31 |
its better to have the binaries close to source |
| 13:09 |
Calinou |
Go's the fastest here, although I ran that before the upgrade to Debian 9 |
| 13:09 |
* DusXMT |
usually puts cross-compilers into /opt/name_of_platform; and everything else to /usr/local |
| 13:10 |
Megaf |
Calinou: why you no #go-nuts ? |
| 13:12 |
s-l-teichmann |
Calinou: have you tried the latest multi-thread version? https://bitbucket.org/s_l_teichmann/concurrentprime I've also documented a few runs on 4 different systems. |
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technomancy |
Megaf: https://github.com/technomancy/calandria/blob/master/mods/diginet/readme.md |
| 13:20 |
Megaf |
technomancy: a player on my server will love that |
| 13:21 |
Megaf |
he use Lua controllers for everything |
| 13:21 |
Megaf |
Calinou: I'm not running all those benchmarks |
| 13:22 |
technomancy |
Megaf: I'm writing a mod that has servers with a full virtualized Lua OS |
| 13:22 |
technomancy |
I realized this would be necessary to make the servers useful and allow them to talk to other nodes in a way that isn't tedious |
| 13:23 |
Megaf |
technomancy: what about security issues? |
| 13:24 |
Megaf |
on lua microcontrollers lua loop is disabled for example |
| 13:24 |
Megaf |
because it can make the cpu busy |
| 13:24 |
technomancy |
Megaf: I have some ideas about this, but my mod is definitely not ready for public servers |
| 13:25 |
Megaf |
I'd like an ahead of time compiler for Lua |
| 13:25 |
technomancy |
Megaf: the dronetest mod has a mechanism for interrupting coroutines periodically if they run too long |
| 13:25 |
Megaf |
and run my mods on that |
| 13:25 |
technomancy |
not having the ability to run code on the fly would really kill the fun for this mod |
| 13:25 |
est31 |
Megaf, why to hide your source code? |
| 13:26 |
Megaf |
est31: I just want more performance |
| 13:26 |
technomancy |
Megaf: if you want more performance use luajit |
| 13:26 |
technomancy |
AOT compilation isn't going to be able to outperform that |
| 13:26 |
Megaf |
we do all use LuaJIT already |
| 13:26 |
technomancy |
AOT would only speed up boot times |
| 13:27 |
Megaf |
right |
| 13:27 |
Megaf |
and if we actually had all .lua files compiled into let's say .mod binaries? |
| 13:27 |
Megaf |
If that's even possible |
| 13:28 |
est31 |
according to Calinou's benchmark, luajit is actually fast |
| 13:28 |
technomancy |
because luajit performs its compilations at runtime it's able to apply a lot smarter optimizations than an up-front compiler would |
| 13:28 |
technomancy |
AOT compilation means a lot more guesswork |
| 13:29 |
est31 |
or you would need to compile to you know windows, linux, windows 32 windows 64, and all combinations with different processor features turned off and on |
| 13:29 |
technomancy |
even the JVM gets all its performance boost from the hotspot JIT; no one bothers in the slightest with the performance of the initially-compiled bytecode |
| 13:29 |
est31 |
and pack that into the .mod file |
| 13:29 |
Megaf |
right, you seem to know what you are saying, I don't know what I'm saying |
| 13:30 |
Megaf |
Ok, I'm convinced |
| 13:34 |
Megaf |
meh Go is fast |
| 13:35 |
Megaf |
it runs very nicely on my Raspberry Pi |
| 13:47 |
technomancy |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=12517 |
| 13:48 |
technomancy |
see if anyone pipes up |
| 13:52 |
Calinou |
Megaf, it looks like Rust wants Go's spot though :P |
| 13:52 |
Calinou |
Go is no longer really trendy |
| 13:52 |
Calinou |
and Rust isn't necessarily faster than Go |
| 13:52 |
Calinou |
and it's probably a tad lower level |
| 13:54 |
technomancy |
it's almost as if considerations other than pure numerical performance are more important when choosing a language =) |
| 13:55 |
technomancy |
like for instance how many upvotes blog posts about it get on reddit |
| 13:56 |
Calinou |
you can't really call Rust a successor of C when it can be 25 % slower |
| 13:56 |
Calinou |
ehm, C++ |
| 13:56 |
Calinou |
(not that you were calling it one) |
| 13:56 |
technomancy |
"can be 25% slower" anything is possible if you believe in yourself |
| 13:56 |
Calinou |
and you can't call Java crap performance-wise if you say Rust is awesome |
| 13:56 |
est31 |
rust is compiled using llvm, which also powers c |
| 13:56 |
technomancy |
C++ can be 25% slower than C |
| 13:56 |
est31 |
or c++ |
| 13:57 |
technomancy |
people who say java is slow are idiots |
| 13:58 |
technomancy |
java is a memory hog and starts up slowly, and java programmers like to use loads of frameworks that are slow |
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technomancy |
(I happen to hate the java programming language FWIW; it's tedious and awkward, but not slow.) |
| 14:01 |
Teckla |
Go has great start up time but I was led to believe it does not perform all that well, slower on average than Java and such, despite using much less memory, etc. |
| 14:01 |
Teckla |
Although I am also given to understand there is still a lot of optimization opportunities :) |
| 14:01 |
technomancy |
Go's semantics are so poor I can't be arsed to look into its performance. |
| 14:09 |
* Teckla |
is not so wild about Go's syntax |
| 14:11 |
technomancy |
"Complaining about whitespace in python only shows your ignorance. There are so many other more important things to complain about." =) |
| 14:11 |
technomancy |
(I don't actually know much about python fwiw but lua seems a much nicer design.) |
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| 14:14 |
hoodedice |
HI guys |
| 14:14 |
hoodedice |
time for another rant! |
| 14:14 |
hoodedice |
why the fuck can I not print my images using the default image viewer in xubuntu =D |
| 14:14 |
est31 |
technomancy, the indentation bullshit in python is crap |
| 14:15 |
est31 |
having terminating }s help reading code |
| 14:15 |
est31 |
immensely |
| 14:15 |
hoodedice |
It is a fucking vanilla piece of shit! It should be able to like, do basic shit like fucking printing ^.^ |
| 14:15 |
technomancy |
est31: oh yes obviously |
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| 14:15 |
DusXMT |
Garth: Is there not an option? |
| 14:15 |
est31 |
hoodedice, there you are with X ubuntu |
| 14:15 |
technomancy |
but that's peanuts compared to the weird OO model or the whole statements vs expressions nonsense |
| 14:15 |
est31 |
try K ubuntu :) |
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DusXMT |
Garth: sorry, bad autocomplete |
| 14:16 |
hoodedice |
est, wrote some pseudocode for a friend yesterday to help him with his homework |
| 14:16 |
hoodedice |
was a recursive function, I wrote it in python style |
| 14:16 |
DusXMT |
hoodedice: Is there not an option for it? (In ristretto, iirc) Or does it not show your printer? |
| 14:17 |
hoodedice |
well, he didn't understand the indents (he doesn't indent his java properly, anyway) so he put an ending brace just after the if statement that prevents stack overflows |
| 14:17 |
hoodedice |
Dus, no, there is no option |
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| 14:18 |
hoodedice |
which is fucking surprising XD |
| 14:19 |
DusXMT |
Not really, but I guess you could always install another one (I think Eye of Gnome, or Eye of Mate if you prefer, has direct printing support), but then you're installing gnome/mate libraries... |
| 14:19 |
hoodedice |
Gonna go bug #xubuntu |
| 14:20 |
DusXMT |
hoodedice: or rather the XFCE people; xubuntu merely just distribute it |
| 14:20 |
hoodedice |
now, there is a reason I'm bugging them |
| 14:20 |
hoodedice |
because gimp does the job perfectly |
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| 14:20 |
hoodedice |
but think about end user experience. Would you want to open up gimp just for a printout?! |
| 14:21 |
* DusXMT |
is used to making PDFs and transferring them over SFTP for printing :D |
| 14:22 |
hoodedice |
<hoodedice> Hello. I want to print an image without installing another image viewer, and without using firefox, because firefox puts these headers that I don't want on my image and without using an image manipulation program, because I'm an end user, and end users are stupid. |
| 14:25 |
* hoodedice |
is gonna pasta the #xubuntu reactions in ##minetestbot |
| 14:25 |
DusXMT |
hoodedice: Perhaps this is relevant: "Any additional features, like importing images from a digital camera (using libgphoto2) or printing images to paper could probably be added through a plugin interface or something. Keeping the basic application simple while allowing individual users to add features they like. If, when and how this is going to be implemented is still a question though ;)." |
| 14:25 |
hoodedice |
ah, that reminds me of a certain other open source project... |
| 14:26 |
hoodedice |
its something about uh making your own world or something |
| 14:26 |
hoodedice |
starts with an m and ends with inetest |
| 14:26 |
DusXMT |
So I guess the xubuntu people _might_ want to write a printing plugin, since the tools/interfaces are right there. |
| 14:27 |
DusXMT |
Wait, I've read it wrong, I thought there was a plugin interface, that was just a suggestion... *facedesk* |
| 14:30 |
MinetestBot |
[git] tenplus1 -> minetest/minetest_game: word-wrap book text 8b4a92e http://git.io/vIBIK (2015-06-08T16:29:44+02:00) |
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nolsen |
https://meldy.hira.io/Zerobin/?7d5e7985f9f446f1#XhtwLCwFm7i4T8J1BmdkyXwECwfb7Qo/Nq+qVeBb7Jw= |
| 15:04 |
exio4 |
Calinou: http://exio4.xyz/~exio4/primes.html |
| 15:08 |
exio4 |
Calinou: (if you run it with the `primes` command, it'll generate primes slowly the old way you like, using multiple cores and a small (or should be small, it'll generate 11 millon primes in 10 seconds, yet the bottleneck is going to be the standard output) cache |
| 15:13 |
exio4 |
technomancy: the layout rule is annoying on a imperative language |
| 15:13 |
exio4 |
technomancy: it's a bit different in functional languages imo |
| 15:15 |
technomancy |
exio4: layout rule? |
| 15:15 |
technomancy |
oh, the whitespace stuff? |
| 15:15 |
exio4 |
yes |
| 15:15 |
technomancy |
mostly it bothers be because it makes it so easy to screw up merge conflicts |
| 15:15 |
exio4 |
no, I mean, in an imperative language, functions don't tend to be 3-4 lines |
| 15:16 |
technomancy |
plus python 2 let you mix tabs and spaces, so you could have two lines that *looked* like they were indented the same, but were secretly different |
| 15:16 |
exio4 |
they tend to be relatively long (compared to the FP approach where functions are EVERYTHING) |
| 15:16 |
technomancy |
but I heard they fixed that |
| 15:16 |
exio4 |
anyway, Haskell lets you disable the layout rule using {} and ; |
| 15:17 |
technomancy |
exio4: like I said, it's a superficial complaint; semantics are much more important |
| 15:17 |
exio4 |
let { x = 2 ; f w = w+x ; y = f 42 } in do { putStrLn "What's your name?"; x <- getLine ; putStrLn ("hi " ++ x); } |
| 15:17 |
exio4 |
that is valid code ^ |
| 15:17 |
technomancy |
exio4: did you see my proposal for a higher-level protocol layered on top of digilines? |
| 15:18 |
exio4 |
I'll look at it |
| 15:18 |
exio4 |
looks like a cool approach |
| 15:18 |
technomancy |
I'm now banging out some POC nodes that would use it |
| 15:18 |
technomancy |
starting with interaction between a terminal and a server, then going to add a door into the mix |
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nolsen |
Did anyone see that error log I pasted? |
| 15:26 |
est31 |
nolsen, what did you do? |
| 15:26 |
Calinou |
exio4, nice colored code, although there are margins on borders :P |
| 15:26 |
Calinou |
and the color scheme is quite bad (too colourful, too much contrast) |
| 15:26 |
Calinou |
you're better off leaving code formatting to client add-ons, except when embedding in a page |
| 15:26 |
nolsen |
hold on, my GPU is being lazy. |
| 15:27 |
nolsen |
and having Minetest hang itself. |
| 15:27 |
exio4 |
Calinou: I just exported what Kate shows :P |
| 15:27 |
exio4 |
Calinou: and yeah, dem borders |
| 15:27 |
nolsen |
lol Minetest is hung |
| 15:27 |
nolsen |
hunged* |
| 15:27 |
exio4 |
Calinou: and I like colorz! right! |
| 15:28 |
exio4 |
Calinou: anyway, run it, it should use N threads, N-1 workers, the last one will be for printing / handling that shit |
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VanessaE |
good morning |
| 15:29 |
nolsen |
Hmm, Trying to play minetest on the vm, but the aiming goes crazy. |
| 15:30 |
Calinou |
this is common in VMs, try disabling mouse integration |
| 15:30 |
nolsen |
done. |
| 15:30 |
nolsen |
erm already done. |
| 15:31 |
nolsen |
though now I can't use my mouse in minetest. |
| 15:31 |
nolsen |
It disapears when moving it to it. |
| 15:31 |
nolsen |
I can do things inside the application, but it's invisible. |
| 15:31 |
exio4 |
you shouldn't see it |
| 15:31 |
nolsen |
. |
| 15:31 |
exio4 |
only the crosshair |
| 15:31 |
nolsen |
No, not that. |
| 15:31 |
nolsen |
In main menu |
| 15:32 |
CWz |
goodmonring VanessaE |
| 15:33 |
technomancy |
how is it that digilines is able to intercept the digilines field passed to minetest.register_node? |
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exio4 |
Calinou: have you run it? |
| 15:36 |
Calinou |
nope |
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| 15:43 |
TheWild |
yesterday I was talking about that lighting stuff and I brought an idea of dividing squares into 4 triangles etc. which maybe fixes the odd hexagon pattern (especially visible on high gamma set), but definitely not the problem of light passing through corners, est31 already pointed it out. |
| 15:43 |
TheWild |
So, I'll ask how much vertices we are defining per cube? |
| 15:44 |
TheWild |
8, because it's just natural, we have seen so many cubes in our lifes and we know a single cube has 8 vertices. |
| 15:44 |
TheWild |
or 24, because 6 faces × 4 corners - that's actually another story |
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Calinou |
can you make a screenshot of hexagon pattern? |
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TheWild |
Calinou, http://pasteboard.co/13nHkoOj.png |
| 16:02 |
Calinou |
this is caused by poor light table |
| 16:02 |
Calinou |
ie. the color value assigned to a light data value |
| 16:03 |
Calinou |
try changing your light table to something that makes sense, or even a linear table (increments of 17) and you'll see the difference. |
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TheWild |
it would be easy if anything made in C/C++ could compile on this system. Should I try Linux? |
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est31 |
TheWild, for compilation, linux is usually easier than windows |
| 16:18 |
est31 |
but what I've meant was more along: I think that in real life, light passes through "hard" corners too |
| 16:19 |
est31 |
imagine putting two carton boxes into the arrangement |
| 16:19 |
Calinou |
usually? always :P |
| 16:19 |
est31 |
hehe |
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est31 |
also, Calinou firefox died for me today |
| 16:20 |
est31 |
I've found out what they did with the 38.0.5 release |
| 16:20 |
Calinou |
I switched to Chromium ~1 week ago |
| 16:20 |
est31 |
horrible |
| 16:20 |
Calinou |
(-: |
| 16:20 |
est31 |
I'll switch too, dunno to where |
| 16:20 |
Calinou |
it's the only reasonable alternative until we get a proper Firefox fork |
| 16:20 |
Calinou |
uBrowse anyone? |
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TheWild |
eventually you can use Internet Explorer |
| 16:21 |
TheWild |
(somebody will smash my face) |
| 16:21 |
_Raiz |
I'll do! |
| 16:21 |
_Raiz |
xD |
| 16:21 |
sfan5 |
<est31> I'll switch too, dunno to where |
| 16:22 |
sfan5 |
chromium! chromium! chromium! chromium! |
| 16:22 |
_Raiz |
Iceweasel here. |
| 16:22 |
hoodedice |
Pale Moon |
| 16:22 |
hoodedice |
boo chromium |
| 16:23 |
hoodedice |
they disabled NPAPI |
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sfan5 |
and? |
| 16:23 |
sfan5 |
npapi caused a lot of security problems |
| 16:23 |
sfan5 |
besides: if you need flash in chromium you can copy the plugin files from chrome |
| 16:23 |
hoodedice |
how will plugins work now >_> |
| 16:23 |
hoodedice |
not flash |
| 16:23 |
hoodedice |
more important things like java |
| 16:23 |
est31 |
there is pepper api |
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Jordach |
!tell Megaf <JD-Pub>Server has been running for 961:44:54 |
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MinetestBot |
Jordach: I'll pass that on when Megaf is around |
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sfan5 |
kek |
| 16:24 |
hoodedice |
broke a lot of shit at where I work |
| 16:24 |
hoodedice |
we switched all of them to firefox now |
| 16:24 |
hoodedice |
all of them == chrome users |
| 16:24 |
Megaf |
lol Jordach |
| 16:24 |
hoodedice |
ayyy el em ay oh Jordach |
| 16:24 |
sfan5 |
hoodedice: java applets are an old & legacy technique |
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Teckla |
As a full time Java developer that rather likes the language, JVM, ecosystem, etc... JAVA APPLETS MUST DIE. :) |
| 16:26 |
Calinou |
Git command of the day: git reflog |
| 16:27 |
Calinou |
Teckla, I like Java for its performance-to-levelness |
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Calinou |
and apparently, not many languages compete with that other than C# |
| 16:29 |
TheWild |
Java does not attract me because of everlasting lack of unsigned types |
| 16:29 |
sfan5 |
java does not have unsigned types? |
| 16:30 |
TheWild |
AFAIR char (16-bit unsigned), and that's all |
| 16:30 |
Calinou |
the solution is easy... http://cdn.meme.am/instances2/500x/143818.jpg |
| 16:34 |
TheWild |
BTW, I'm blaming Java for lack of unsigned types, but which language other than assembly supports bit rotating? And I'm not talking about two shifts. |
| 16:35 |
sfan5 |
<TheWild> BTW, I'm blaming Java for lack of unsigned types, but which language other than assembly supports bit rotating? And I'm not talking about two shifts. |
| 16:35 |
sfan5 |
this |
| 16:35 |
hoodedice |
w0t |
| 16:35 |
Calinou |
also, Java lets you compile once and run everywhere... the compiled stuff is arch-independent |
| 16:35 |
sfan5 |
It's very weird that no language supports proper shifting of bits |
| 16:36 |
Calinou |
no more "oh... I need to build this for OS X 32 bits... and for Windows 64 bits..." |
| 16:36 |
Calinou |
(to an extent) |
| 16:36 |
hoodedice |
Calinou, IMO, worst thing about java |
| 16:36 |
hoodedice |
is that it runs in VMs |
| 16:36 |
Calinou |
(it might be trickier if you use native libs, but usually those are already well-compiled upstream) |
| 16:36 |
Calinou |
VMs are the future :) |
| 16:36 |
hoodedice |
no.jpeg |
| 16:36 |
Calinou |
we can afford the performance hit |
| 16:36 |
sfan5 |
no |
| 16:36 |
hoodedice |
that future gives me nightmares |
| 16:38 |
Megaf |
Teckla: The devs to apreciate your gratefulness despite the lack of words |
| 16:38 |
Megaf |
now buy them a beer :P |
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Megaf |
[17:26] <Calinou> Git command of the day: git reflog |
| 16:42 |
Megaf |
what does that does? |
| 16:43 |
Teckla |
Calinou: Can you elaborate on what you mean by performance-to-levelness? |
| 16:43 |
Megaf |
or what do that does |
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Teckla |
hoodedice: There are some Java compilers that produce native executables, such as Excelsior JET, but it's expensive. :( |
| 16:44 |
Calinou |
Teckla, it's quite higher level than C++, yet only slightly slower |
| 16:44 |
Calinou |
GCJ is a fail too :P |
| 16:45 |
Teckla |
Megaf: The Minetest devs are Gods among Men ;) :) |
| 16:45 |
exio4 |
Calinou: using which benchmarks? |
| 16:45 |
exio4 |
Calinou: the GC hit hurts badly when you start allocating memory |
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Teckla |
Calinou: Oh, yes. I'm old and was in the thick of it when companies started fleeing from C++ to Java, and for good reason. |
| 16:46 |
Calinou |
exio4, again, Jake2 :P |
| 16:46 |
Calinou |
and even Minecraft |
| 16:46 |
Calinou |
look how optimized it is now |
| 16:46 |
exio4 |
yes, the GC can be used nicely |
| 16:46 |
exio4 |
but you aren't comparing meaningful things |
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Teckla |
That being said, I think C++ is still very much appropriate for some application domains. :) |
| 16:47 |
exio4 |
you are comparing how certain specpfic non-allocating algorithm performs on different codebases |
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Calinou |
Teckla, mostly for embedded... |
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exio4 |
Calinou: run my benchmark, though, I get 1.2kM |
| 16:47 |
Calinou |
it's painfully hard to write |
| 16:47 |
Calinou |
and even harder to write properly |
| 16:47 |
Calinou |
I don't really desire to learn C++ any day |
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exio4 |
"harder to write properly" |
| 16:47 |
exio4 |
- Java, PHP, Python, Ruby, C++, C, and most `modern` OOP/imperative languages |
| 16:47 |
Teckla |
I'm not smart enough to program in C++ unless it's a very disciplined subset |
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exio4 |
nobody is smart enough :> |
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Calinou |
all I can do in C++ is changing variables and commenting code :P |
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exio4 |
commenting code you don't understand? how? |
| 16:50 |
hoodedice |
...I have been looking at C++ code ever since I joined #minetest |
| 16:50 |
hoodedice |
... :: and -> still throw me off |
| 16:51 |
Teckla |
I can program "old style C++" (think mid-90's). "Modern C++" confuses me |
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Krock |
Tekken, do you mean C++ 90 / 98 vs 11? |
| 16:52 |
Tekken |
Why j00 summon me! |
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Teckla |
Krock: Yes |
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sfan5 |
Krock: you highlighted the wrong person, also set your irc client to sort <tab> suggested nicks by time of last msg |
| 16:54 |
Krock |
oopsd |
| 16:54 |
Krock |
sfan5, thanks for notify. I didn't see my fault :3 |
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Megaf |
Krock: you better run |
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Calinou |
modern C++ is quite better |
| 16:54 |
Calinou |
but still low-level |
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Calinou |
exio4, I mean, commenting out code |
| 16:55 |
Calinou |
or changing #if 0 to #if 1 |
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Teckla |
I just like to understand everything that's going on and with C++ having undefined behavior, implementation defined behavior, and edge cases numbers in the many hundreds... argh |
| 16:56 |
Teckla |
I just don't have the brain power |
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Teckla |
s/numbers/numbering/ |
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Calinou |
let's rewrite Minetest to Python 3, and admire how slow it is |
| 16:58 |
Krock |
tab? |
| 16:58 |
Calinou |
did you say indentation ? |
| 16:59 |
Krock |
hmm doens't look like this irc client has a fast-reply function |
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Calinou |
(I (code (in (Lisp (too))))) |
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sfan5 |
Calinou: nobody said about python being fast |
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Krock |
oh noes ( |
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sfan5 |
+anything |
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exio4 |
Calinou: run the benchmark anyway |
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exio4 |
Calinou: and commenting out code is a nice way to break invariants and fuck up code |
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Calinou |
3949969 |
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hoodedice |
I wish united airlines had an irc chan |
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hoodedice |
hate calling customer service |
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Calinou |
heh |
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Calinou |
IRC channels would make everything so much easier, yeah |
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hoodedice |
they don't even have an email I could write them at >_> |
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* DusXMT |
was digging dirt with a mesecons torch that he confused for a shovel... one can say that he hasn't played MT in a while |
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nolsen |
Trying to play minetest on my VM, but for some reason disabling Mouse intergation and adding the mouse device didn't work. |
| 18:19 |
nolsen |
It's a mouse with a invisible cursor |
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nolsen |
Maybe I need to disable the shitty laptop mouse |
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nolsen |
Does anyone know? |
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nolsen |
lol can't disable touchpad. |
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AndroidKris |
did you try toggling the HUD in minetest itself? |
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AndroidKris |
f1 I believe |
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TheWild |
about C++: I preferred C over C++, because I felt it being more machine-like. If there was object, it was passed as parameter to the function - at least I knew what is going on. |
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TheWild |
C++ was like a jungle with all that objective stuff, constructors, destructors, inheritance, operator overloading etc. Hell, what is this? |
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TheWild |
cout << "something"; why is cout shifted left? Ahh... yes, << is overloaded |
| 18:27 |
TheWild |
and about commenting code: I've read many times that hot piss about self-explanatory code. |
| 18:27 |
TheWild |
Take it real: You're writing a code and you expect it to be readable and understandable by other programmer? Long variable names (e.g. BlockCountUsedLater) and writing "more readable" control flow structures is not enough |
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TheWild |
. |
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TheWild |
You're writing a code and it does not only consist with an algorithm, but also a concept. |
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TheWild |
Sometimes you write a crazy fast code (e.g. bit twiddling hacks), but other guy reads this and gets no idea why it was made this way. What exactly was on your thought, programmer? |
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TheWild |
Write comments not only to fill less understandable pits and disable code fragments, but also to serve educational purpose for other programmers. |
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* TheWild |
has quit (Because real quit doesn't seem to display) |
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Calinou |
cout << "something" means, to me: "we can't be arsed to add print("whatever")" |
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Calinou |
:P |
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Calinou |
self-commenting code is a myth |
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Calinou |
good code has at least 10 % of comments :P |
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nolsen |
AndroidKris: ... |
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nolsen |
Why would the hud be disabled? |
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AndroidKris |
no clue. It was just a thought. |
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AndroidKris |
Did that fix your problem though nolsen? |
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AndroidKris |
? |
| 18:36 |
nolsen |
no. |
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nolsen |
Because OpenGL was fucking up. |
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nolsen |
AndroidKris: Enabling the hud is as pointless as uhh. |
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nolsen |
Attempting to install PS4 on a computer? |
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nolsen |
Idk |
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nolsen |
To fix a solution. |
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AndroidKris |
ps4 is a computer. |
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AndroidKris |
lol |
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AndroidKris |
I see your point though. |
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AndroidKris |
So you play without hud? |
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nolsen |
............ |
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AndroidKris |
0.o |
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* nolsen |
facepalms |
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nolsen |
One does not simply play with hud. |
| 18:39 |
nolsen |
and walk into mordor. |
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AndroidKris |
HAHAHA |
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AndroidKris |
I think I just woke up my napping son, laughing.l |
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AndroidKris |
lol |
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nolsen |
AndroidKris: I need an more advanced answer. |
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nolsen |
Only "enabling the hud" solution is for the question "H0w d0 i 3nable hudz?" |
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AndroidKris |
I'm terribly sorry for not giving you an answer that isn't advanced enough for your purposes. |
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nolsen |
My mouse keeps going insane on minetest, I tried disabling mouse intergration, but that didn't work on my VM. that is my question |
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Krock |
nolsen, replace a with '@' |
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AndroidKris |
It's usually the simplest of things that we often overlook, and end up being the one thing that gives us the most headache because of that. |
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nolsen |
Krock ? |
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Krock |
H0w d0 i 3nb13 hudz? |
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nolsen |
oh |
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nolsen |
It takes a no-brainer to turn on the hud ._. |
| 18:43 |
nolsen |
Because it's on by default and why the hell you need it off. |
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nolsen |
Unless you're recording for youtube or something. |
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AndroidKris |
Hey, you probably didn't know how to enable/disable the hud the first time you played (or whatever other simple example you can come up with) |
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nolsen |
AndroidKris: Because I didn't care. |
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Krock |
F1, F2 and F8 are great for videos :) |
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nolsen |
Finally, fixed it. |
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nolsen |
Now the only problem I have is lag :) |
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nolsen |
FPS of 9 |
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nolsen |
What are the specs for this game? |
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nolsen |
nvm |
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nolsen |
Would 128MB of Graphics ram be enough? I don't see where it says graphics ram requirements and that's how much virtualbox will let me set. |
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Calinou |
yes, plenty actually |
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Calinou |
VRAM does not translate into performance by the way |
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nolsen |
then how come I'm getting lag? |
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Calinou |
lag != low FPS |
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Calinou |
reduce the graphics settings, disable compositing in guest OS |
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nolsen |
composting? |
| 18:58 |
nolsen |
compostiing? |
| 18:58 |
Calinou |
desktop effects |
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nolsen |
Calinou: The graphics are using Video Rendering I think |
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Calinou |
GNOME doesn't let you disable them, but KDE, Xfce and LXDE do |
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nolsen |
or burner's vidoe |
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nolsen |
video* |
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Calinou |
use OpenGL |
| 18:59 |
Calinou |
Burning's Video is software rendering... |
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nolsen |
OpenGL was having problems. |
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nolsen |
Calinou: https://meldy.hira.io/Zerobin/?823854eed9aebb50#0kLslpsgM++v6NfB3gE98/aWdZ0Jp8vA2UqAmd8Mo8E= |
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Calinou |
"Chromium: Humper" those developers... |
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nolsen |
Should I uninstall chromium? |
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nolsen |
Oh, not chromium, the web browser. |
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* nolsen |
is retarded |
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nolsen |
Calinou: So what should I do? |
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Calinou |
I don't know, I once got it working well in VirtualBox |
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exio4 |
Calinou: wait, did you compile with -threaded? |
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exio4 |
Calinou: ghc -O2 -threaded benchmark.hs |
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exio4 |
Calinou: without -threaded, it'll use 1 core |
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Calinou |
ah |
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* Calinou |
applauds Haskell for being threaded in a smart way... |
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Calinou |
exio4, 16449997 |
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Calinou |
http://yourgameideaistoobig.com/ |
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sfan5 |
Estimate: $458,893,924,742 |
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sfan5 |
ok |
| 19:53 |
Calinou |
open world + crafting + MMO + procedural gen + modding + all platforms = $640,224 (13 years) |
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Calinou |
that is Minetest... |
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rom1504 |
what about "Both PVE and PVP Gameplay! " |
| 19:57 |
rom1504 |
"You could hire a team to make it for that price." that doesn't say how many years the team will take |
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TheWild |
a team of highly trained monkeys (google reference) |
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sfan5 |
TheWild: you mean youtube |
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TheWild |
yeah |
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Minecrafter |
hello |
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Minecrafter |
somebody here? |
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Minecrafter |
hello phantom |
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Minecrafter |
nobody here? |
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hoodedice |
^ |
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sfan5 |
gg |
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heavygale |
hey there,..minetest server only uses one cpu core, right? (except when generating the map) |
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exio4 |
heavygale: it's using a few cores but a few design issues don't let it use them for a speed-up |
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heavygale |
my server has only 1ghz per cpu and uses 100% when about 8 to 10 players are connected,.. the other cores are not used but the game lags,.. can i fix this? |
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exio4 |
!tell Calinou the -threaded parameter is because there are two runtimes, and the "performance" of the threaded runtime is different to the normal one, GC becomes a bit more costly and things like that |
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MinetestBot |
exio4: yeah, sure, whatever |
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heavygale |
could i speed it up by using a different database backend? does sqlite eats my cpu? |
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exio4 |
heavygale: there are performance tweaks, but they won't do magic, I don't know them though :( |
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heavygale |
alright, so i need a faster cpu-core for morgen then 10 players? :) |
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heavygale |
*more :D |
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exio4 |
you'll have to wait for someone that actually knows how minetest works :p |
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sfan5 |
heavygale: not sure whether a diff. db backend will help, you'll have to try |
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heavygale |
i'll do :) sadly there's only 1gb ram :D |
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heavygale |
see you |
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Junko |
hello |
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Junko |
how do i search for public servers |
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Junko |
do i need to add manually? |
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nolsen |
<exio4> Calinou: wait, did you compile with -threaded? |
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nolsen |
It didn't let me use those in make or cmake |
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exio4 |
make? |
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exio4 |
nolsen: I was talking about the Haskell benchmark |
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nolsen |
So what should I do? |
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nolsen |
I can't use opengl |
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nolsen |
It doesn't work and makes my mouse cursor invisible. |
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exio4 |
I was talking about something totally offtopic |
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nolsen |
._. |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/master-server: Fix de-announcing c26c42b http://git.io/vI0hb (2015-06-08T23:05:30+02:00) |
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sfan5 |
Junko: see http://www.minetest.net/servers (at the bottom of the page) |
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Junko |
sfan5; thanks |
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I want to do an action when a ....node.... is loaded |
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[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Minimal: Edit mapgen aliases. Use blob ore for clay, update other ores. Update simple biomes. Cleanup code e481745 http://git.io/vIE1h (2015-06-09T00:47:03+01:00) |
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