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Fixer |
moving in chests SUCK |
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Why, when I modify an item's inventory tooltip (L2248 guiFormSpecMenu.cpp), does the item turn into an "unknown"? |
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blert2112_ |
nevermind, it is magically working now, weird |
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LinuxGuy2020 |
Hello I was wondering if there is some common way to get minetest to work with my NAS. I just built a mini itx server with NAS4Free operating system and it has the common network shares, ftp, nfs, etc built in. I'm not sure if there is a way to get the world to be saved on the server or not. I have the option to create a virtualbox machine within NAS4Free but it would be slow on the Atom CPU. Any ideas? |
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sofar |
you can store the world folder on any location |
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LinuxGuy2020 |
sofar: Ok so I need more specifics on setup if possible. |
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LinuxGuy2020 |
hehe |
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sofar |
http://wiki.minetest.net/Setting_up_a_server |
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sofar |
also, minetestserver --help is useful |
| 07:06 |
sofar |
You are a 20/20 linux guy... you know how to read manuals |
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sofar |
;^) |
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LinuxGuy2020 |
sofar: One problem though NAS4Free is BSD based. Not Linux. |
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sofar |
well I was assuming you wanted to run the server on a linux machine with the world stored on the NAS |
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LinuxGuy2020 |
sofar: Yeah....ok.....maybe I needed to read a bit more detail. |
| 07:08 |
sofar |
but I believe the server can be run on BSD too |
| 07:09 |
sofar |
FreeBSD official packages have their own pre-built packages: pkg install minetest minetest_game |
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sofar |
http://www.minetest.net/downloads/ |
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LinuxGuy2020 |
Hmmm maybe Ill just install a Linux virtual machine and try it. Ill try Linux Mint mate edition. That dont work Ill mayeb think about doing that native install. |
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LinuxGuy2020 |
Thanks |
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Hirato |
use KDE <3 |
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sofar |
you should care less if he tried hello kitty linux |
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sofar |
LinuxGuy2020: the atom server should be able to run a minetestserver... try downloading the bsd version and give it a go? |
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Hirato |
http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/About.html this is obviously the best one |
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LinuxGuy2020 |
sofar: Yeah but I have no clue how easy/hard it would be to setup with the web GUI. Ive not messed with BSD much at all. |
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sofar |
LinuxGuy2020: probably not possible, or not worth your time if you're not familiar with the BSD console |
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sofar |
I certainly think that trying in a VM with linux would be a good first step for you to understand |
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LinuxGuy2020 |
right thats why I might try the linux virtual machine since Vbox is built in. |
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LinuxGuy2020 |
Maybe Ill try linux mint mate. Same version I run on my desktop and laptop. Has the server in the repos. |
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sofar |
why not try it on your laptop first? |
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sofar |
... if you already have a linux box... why setup a vm for a test? |
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LinuxGuy2020 |
sofar: I already know hwo to setup the server on linux thats easy as pie. |
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LinuxGuy2020 |
My NAS box is on all the time so the virtual machine with minetest server will also be on all the time. |
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Blekpug |
How much cheating do you think it is to use /home ? |
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Obani |
Blekpug, you can add a timer to /home |
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Obani |
To forbid using it everytime |
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Blekpug |
Good to know. |
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SaKeL |
why is using /home a cheating ? |
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Obani |
SaKeL, in PvP, it is |
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SaKeL |
because they player can run to save house ? |
| 10:33 |
SaKeL |
because the player can run to save house ? |
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Obani |
Yes |
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Obani |
Or for example, someoe attacking their house |
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Obani |
THey can come back as they want to kill them |
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SaKeL |
ah ok... thanks for the explanation ;) |
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Krock |
Respawning after being killed is cheating too!! |
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Obani |
Krock, yes ! |
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Obani |
IN real life you don't respawn ! |
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Krock |
Obani, the hindus do. |
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Obani |
Well I don't know if they have conscience of that |
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Krock |
Don't know either |
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Obani |
Guys, I thought you would like to know about this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pipsqueake.squeakecraft |
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Obani |
Also, there is a version you can buy https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pipsqueake.squeakecraftplus |
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Blekpug |
Does only tall grass yield seed? |
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Blekpug |
or also short? |
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Obani |
Every grasses I think |
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Obani |
RealBadAngel, sfan5, ShadowNinja, did you know about squeake craft ? |
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SaKeL |
http://wiki.minetest.net/Grass ;) |
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SaKeL |
hi guys, someone know what kind of license have these skins ? http://minecraft.novaskin.me/gallery |
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SaKeL |
like if it's open source or not.. i have no idea how the licensing works :/ |
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Calinou |
SaKeL, if there's no license, it's proprietary |
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Calinou |
note that any skin based on the reference Minecraft "Steve" is de facto proprietary |
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SaKeL |
ok... :/ so i can't use any of those skins.. ? |
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SaKeL |
(legally) |
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Calinou |
SaKeL, probably not |
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SaKeL |
ok thanks |
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SaKeL |
Calinou i think i use them anyway :D |
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SaKeL |
http://www.planetminecraft.com/blog/skin-stealing-whats-wrong-with-it/ |
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Calinou |
it's not stealing, and there's nothing wrong with it |
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Calinou |
what's wrong is people not putting any license on their skins |
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Calinou |
I believe everything should have a license |
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SaKeL |
yes i agree... spending a life time now googeling if i can use them legally |
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Calinou |
just make your own |
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Calinou |
or take them from the Minetest skin db |
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Calinou |
http://minetest.fensta.bplaced.net/ |
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SaKeL |
yeah i miss some from fensta |
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SaKeL |
thats why i was looking somewhere else |
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SaKeL |
find out licence for the wallpapers section on their websit |
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SaKeL |
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/ |
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SaKeL |
should be fine |
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yunfan |
Calinou: do you know why the chest response so slow even i am playing on local server |
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Calinou |
yunfan, use latest Minetest Git |
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Calinou |
it seems to have prediction now, you can also shift-click |
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Calinou |
SaKeL, CC BY-NC-SA is not fine :( |
| 13:03 |
Calinou |
http://freedomdefined.org/Licenses/NC |
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yunfan |
Calinou: so not the udp or syncing to filesystem problem? |
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Calinou |
it has nothing to do with UDP or file system syncing |
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FreeFull |
Calinou: What about CC0? |
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Calinou |
that one is fine |
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Calinou |
I encourage everyone to use CC0 for simple stuff like skins and configuration files :P |
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gravgun |
CC0 for very little and random things, MIT for general purpose reusable code, LGPL for specific-purpose libraries, GPL for whole projects |
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yunfan |
Calinou: then why it laaags , i am very curious |
| 13:07 |
Calinou |
yunfan, which Minetest version are you using? |
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yunfan |
Calinou: hold on |
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FreeFull |
I tend to license my code under MIT |
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yunfan |
Build info: VER=0.4.13-dev BUILD_TYPE=None RUN_IN_PLACE=0 USE_GETTEXT=1 USE_SOUND=1 USE_CURL=1 USE_FREETYPE=1 USE_LUAJIT=1 STATIC_SHAREDIR="/usr/share/minetest" cc Calinou |
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yunfan |
i was playing stampy_game, which is the most likely minecraft clone i have played |
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Calinou |
FreeFull, that's fine too |
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Calinou |
CC0 is not OSI-approved :( |
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Calinou |
it explicitly denies patent rights |
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gravgun |
dafuq? |
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Calinou |
did you hear, gravgun? France wants to ban libre accounting/POS software |
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Calinou |
because it's modifiable |
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Calinou |
to "prevent VAT fraud" |
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gravgun |
Yea I saw that |
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SylvieLorxu |
AGPL for everything :D |
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gravgun |
I read multiple articles about it |
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gravgun |
Fucking capitalists |
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SylvieLorxu |
It's a good thing proprietary software can't cause fraud |
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SylvieLorxu |
*cough* Volkswagen *cough* |
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gravgun |
Of *cough* course |
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yunfan |
Calinou: what do you think cause the lag? |
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gravgun |
SylvieLorxu, b-but it's *cough* certified software *cough* |
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gravgun |
Calinou: now what would prevent me from creating my own accounting software if I need one? |
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gravgun |
It's the same as paper and pencil |
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gravgun |
but on a computer |
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gravgun |
computer you told how to compute things for you |
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gravgun |
This shit law is fundamentally broken |
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gravgun |
much like all its sibling law projects |
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gravgun |
It's clearly the result of POS software lobbying, targeting free software because it "potentially takes shares away from them" using the unsolvable VAT fraud issue |
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gravgun |
Thing is, when a mathematically unsolvable issue arise |
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gravgun |
a rational person would try to change what causes this issue, that is, ascending things in the effect/causation tree it draws |
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gravgun |
idiots would fuitlessly try to fix it from below |
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gravgun |
I'll let you all picture what politicians are then. |
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yunfan |
Calinou: i just downloaded the sourcecode from github and build a client, and still the chest responsed laaaaag |
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Calinou |
I have no issues on rubenwardy's CTF server, strange |
| 13:31 |
yunfan |
then it might be my own server's problem? |
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Calinou |
it's probably due to client not predicting chest stuff |
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yunfan |
but even that, how can it take seconds to wait the local server's response? |
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Wayward_One |
Sounds like https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2145 |
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yunfan |
but when interact with other nodes, it didnt responsed lag, for eg, pick up drop items |
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Wayward_One |
Hmm |
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yunfan |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2544 looks like this has the some problem |
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jomat |
Uh, the force field destroys liquid source blocks :-( |
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yunfan |
also i havent saw shift-click works |
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Fixer |
it works in 0.4.13 with chests and other |
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yunfan |
but i am playing 0.4.13 |
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yunfan |
and i use shift-click, it dont have any effect |
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Fixer |
open chest -> shift click on an item in chest -> ??? -> profit! |
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yunfan |
nope , i mean crafting |
| 15:08 |
yunfan |
ok, shift-click works |
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yunfan |
but it doesnt work when crafting |
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est31 |
shift click has to be enabled by the mod |
| 15:08 |
est31 |
crafting mod and chest mod |
| 15:08 |
est31 |
but crafting output doesnt work with shift click |
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est31 |
thats not implemented (yet) |
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yunfan |
est31: also the delay problem still exists after you merge the code, and i have check that the code has been merged |
| 15:09 |
est31 |
? |
| 15:09 |
est31 |
code? which code? |
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yunfan |
est31: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2544 this issue's |
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nolsen |
How fast of an upload speed is best for minetest? |
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nolsen |
minetest server* |
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nolsen |
Will 4Mbps do? |
| 15:21 |
est31 |
yeah |
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nolsen |
For 10 people? |
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nolsen |
or more? |
| 15:22 |
est31 |
I think so yes |
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yunfan |
can people configure using TCP ? |
| 15:22 |
est31 |
no |
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yunfan |
the chest lag issue bored me |
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Krock |
nolsen, hosted mine with almost 1 MBit/s |
| 15:27 |
Krock |
playable with less than 10 players |
| 15:30 |
Calinou |
TCP is not made for real-time games, period |
| 15:30 |
Calinou |
there are subgames that can't afford occasional lag of several seconds |
| 15:39 |
est31 |
we use udp and still get that lag lol |
| 15:39 |
est31 |
but at least its our fault not TCP's |
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yunfan |
i knew tcp is not for real time games, but if i just play in single player |
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yunfan |
that #2544 issue still occur at my local server :[ |
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yunfan |
i am interesting if you could use zeromq as the connection provider |
| 16:00 |
est31 |
in single player tcp is as good as udp |
| 16:03 |
yunfan |
so the problem is there're too many events generated by those customer mods? |
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yunfan |
but i even got lag in minigame |
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Count_Pooterman |
Anyone know if VanessaE plantlife mod pack is obsolete with latest minetest? basically with new features I find standard plant life inadequate for starting out to make beds, etc. Looking for mod to tweak that |
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Fixer |
working with chests and doors suck so much -_- |
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Fixer |
on laggy servers |
| 16:49 |
Fixer |
opening doors for N seconds is trivial, NN sec is not uncommon |
| 16:52 |
Calinou |
this is why we need client-side Lua :P |
| 16:52 |
Calinou |
it would be great if it happened in 2016 |
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J_ |
hello |
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Fixer |
Calinou, in 2061 |
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J_ |
wat' |
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est31 |
ahh no |
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est31 |
I hoped we'd make it until 2051 |
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J_ |
brb |
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J_ |
i have a god-tier username |
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Calinou |
nolsen, a Minetest client requires 0.1 MB/s of upload with default server step |
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Calinou |
so you can host more like ~30 clients on your connection |
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J_ |
cul |
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est31 |
I'd guess some of the bandwidth scales quadratically |
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est31 |
every client's position is sent to every other client |
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J_ |
how to rename |
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Fixer |
Calinou, 100 kbyte/sec for 1 client? jeez. what are you sending? porn? |
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Fixer |
why so much? |
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* Fixer |
>_> PR 3199 |
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nolsen |
... |
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Calinou |
Fixer, bits, not bytes |
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nolsen |
That would take a very long time, Fixer. |
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Calinou |
nolsen, also I advise increasing server step rate |
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Calinou |
dedicated_server_step = 0.05 |
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Calinou |
it may reduce perceived lag, and will make movement of other clients appear to be smoother |
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Calinou |
(also mobs) |
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Calinou |
but it'll cost more CPU on your server, and will increase bandwidth requirements |
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Calinou |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1825 |
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Neomex |
i want to do minecraft-like game but dont want to do it from scratch |
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Neomex |
is minetest a good choice? |
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VanessaE |
it is, to some degree |
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Neomex |
im not too happy about c++ though |
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VanessaE |
modding is done with Lua |
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VanessaE |
you'd only have to touch the C++ if the engine can't do something that you need done |
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Neomex |
what is the minetest licence? |
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VanessaE |
LGPL |
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most of the game assets are CC-by-SA |
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help please: in Linux Mint in ver .13 whi dont my offline worlds show in selection box to load worlds? |
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<TheMiner> help please: in Linux Mint in ver .13 whi dont my offline worlds show in selection box to load worlds? <<<<< |
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Pierre_ |
my full name doesn't show up |
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* Fixer |
reads CS 4 all |
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* Fixer |
will be ready to improve minetest in this century |
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.oO(or not) |
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