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Devy |
Hello? Anyone here? |
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Devy |
Hi! |
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kaiser |
hi Devy |
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Devy |
Do any of you know much about mapgen? more about voxel manipulation? |
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kaiser |
never played minetest, trying to install it |
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kaiser |
thinking about just buying another minecraft account |
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Devy |
Ah. Are you on linux or windows? |
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kaiser |
FreeBSD |
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Devy |
Alright. Just a sec. |
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kaiser |
simply cant compile it |
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kaiser |
complaining about opengl or something |
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kaiser |
its a problem actually with my graphics driver |
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Devy |
hmmm. It would be hard to figure out how to help without a log. |
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Devy |
oh. |
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kaiser |
ill give you the fatal line |
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Devy |
Great! |
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kaiser |
/usr/local/bin/minetest: Undefined symbol "stat" |
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kaiser |
i installed the binary instead and i get that error^ |
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Devy |
hmm. ok. give me a couple secs. Let me try and figure it out. |
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kaiser |
cool, thanks |
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Devy |
Alright. I can't find anything specific that includes that error, but I would reccomend visiting this page (if you haven't already) http://www.minetest.net/downloads/ press ctrl-f and type freebsd for more instructions on that page. |
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Devy |
You might be able to just use 0.4.15 by using the command "pkg install minetest minetest_game" |
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Devy |
Go to the Linux part of this page https://github.com/minetest/minetest and follow it to a T |
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hi bigfoot547 |
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Devy |
Hello? Anyone want to help me improve the performance of my mod a bit? |
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Devy |
Great! Any experience with map generation or voxel manipulation? |
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Devy |
Ah. No problem! |
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MinetestBot |
[git] red-001 -> minetest/minetest: Fix dropdown menu selection (#5847) a7787bb https://git.io/vHRji (2017-06-01T06:00:26Z) |
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Out`Of`Control |
Hi |
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Out`Of`Control |
What could cause my server disappear from public server list? |
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red-001 |
Out`Of`Control, is it still online? |
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Out`Of`Control |
red-001: now it appear again, but it was gone, i wonder why |
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red-001 |
maybe you lost connection to the serverlist |
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red-001 |
the server pings the server list every few minutes iirc to let it know its still online |
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Out`Of`Control |
red-001: there are players on server so ping should be fine |
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red-001 |
thats not the issue |
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red-001 |
the connection between your server and the server list is the issue |
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red-001 |
you should see something about "servers.minetest.net" in the logs |
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Pannutti |
hello |
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Pannutti |
how do i uninstall a compiled minetest? |
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Pannutti |
(linux mint) |
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sfan5 |
how did you install it? |
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Pannutti |
as i said, compiled from sources |
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sfan5 |
so sudo make install? |
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Pannutti |
yes |
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sfan5 |
you need to find install_manifest.txt and then you can run xargs rm <install_manifest.txt |
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Pannutti |
what is xargs? |
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Calinou |
that'd require sudo in most cases, sfan5 |
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Calinou |
unless it was installed to a non-system-wide location |
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Pannutti |
alright thanks |
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Out`Of`Control |
what is wrong with runinplace |
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Calinou |
Out`Of`Control: it's not a matter of run-in-place or not, actually |
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Calinou |
you can make a non-run-in-place build and install it in an arbitrary folder in your /home, using eg. -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX="~/minetest-build" |
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Calinou |
"make install", in this case, can be used without sudo |
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Calinou |
run-in-place is nice for portable builds, but it's a mess for non-portable ones :) |
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Out`Of`Control |
i see |
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red-001 |
Taoki, bad connection? |
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Taoki |
red-001: No, reinstalling the system package for my IRC client. Had some issues after a distro update. |
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Taoki |
It's over now... sorry for the reconnects. |
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Taoki |
Sorry for reconnecting so much earlier everyone: Had some issues with the package of my IRC client, and had to reinstall and test an updated version. Should no longer be having any more problems now. |
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ThomasMonroe |
do players have metadata and can you add to that? |
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ThomasMonroe |
like, can you add a variable "experience" and how would you do that if you can? |
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calcul0n |
not sure, but i don't think players have metadata |
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mmuller |
ThomasMonroe: the only way that I found to do this was to store information, qualified by player name, in the world's filesystem. |
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calcul0n |
i generally create a table with player name as key and some table containing all the datas as value |
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calcul0n |
then store that in a file |
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ThomasMonroe |
hmm |
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mmuller |
calcul0n: that works, though if you have a lot of players that's going to be a very big file |
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ThomasMonroe |
ok so heres what im trying to do, |
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calcul0n |
yes, if you have a lot of datas you can also create one file per player |
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ThomasMonroe |
i want the players to gain experience based on what nodes they dig and place |
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ThomasMonroe |
and as they gain exp they can gain acess to better tools |
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ThomasMonroe |
how would i do something like that? |
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calcul0n |
hmm, that looks complicated :) |
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calcul0n |
you'll have to forbid some craft recipes, i don't see how to do that |
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calcul0n |
unless you get the tools by some other way |
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ThomasMonroe |
cant i override on_dig and check to see what tools is doing the digging? |
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calcul0n |
yes, you should use minetest.register_on_dignode for that i think |
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calcul0n |
then find the wielded item on the digger |
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ThomasMonroe |
ok |
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thefamilygrog66 |
howdy folks |
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DS-minetest |
is there a function to get modpath? |
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sfan5 |
!api |
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MinetestBot |
Someone thinks you should read the API docs, please go to: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt |
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DS-minetest |
yeah, i havent found it but maybe it's just undocumented |
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DS-minetest |
ooh, i forgot to say, i mean client side |
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red-001 |
no |
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DS-minetest |
ok |
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red-001 |
before servers are allowed to send CSM mods we would have to remove such a function anyway |
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red-001 |
CSM shouldn't be aware or need to be aware of the underlying filesystem |
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PureTryOut[m] |
> servers are allowed to send CSM mods |
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PureTryOut[m] |
now that is promising |
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Krock |
sounds dangerous |
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Guest666 |
Hello |
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kaeza |
greetings |
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Guest666 |
I've just compiled minetest from github, and i'm having low FPS and kind of lag. What can cause this? |
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Calinou |
Guest666: what graphics card/operating system are you using? |
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kaeza |
also, nice guest number nickserv |
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Guest666 |
AMD Radeon graphics on Linux Mint 18 with XFCE and compiz |
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Guest333 |
Illuminati confirmed. |
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Calinou |
Guest666: if you disable compositing in Compiz, does it perform better? |
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Calinou |
(not sure if you can still do that) |
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Calinou |
(last time I used Compiz was in ~2011, IIRC) |
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Hijiri |
does compiz still have wobbly windows? |
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Calinou |
not sure :P |
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Calinou |
but I did use them, a while ago |
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Guest666 |
Not really |
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Guest666 |
Welcome Wuzzy |
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Wuzzy |
hi |
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Guest666 |
Think I've a solution see ya |
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kaeza |
https://xkcd.com/979/ |
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Fixer |
kaeza: feels bad man |
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red-001 |
well this is only a single game |
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red-001 |
sometimes it's hard to find good info on entier operating systems |
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red-001 |
e.g. old versions of windows ce |
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Fixer |
windows ce 4.2 |
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Fixer |
iirc |
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red-001 |
windows CE 4.2 .net core |
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Fixer |
PPC 2002 was slow as hell on my PDA |
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Fixer |
PPC 2003 had serious performance improvement |
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Fixer |
very noticeable |
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Fixer |
music/videos etc |
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Fixer |
since it was optimised for XScale 275mhz cpu iirc |
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red-001 |
huh I wonder are there linux drivers for activesync |
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Fixer |
had problems with active sync |
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red-001 |
oh thats pretty bad |
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Fixer |
my pda image backup was made on XP one, and was not compatible with 7 |
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Fixer |
since battery is dead |
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red-001 |
active sync is like your only life line when modding these things |
| 20:45 |
Fixer |
each time i need to flash backup version of windows to it |
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Fixer |
had to use VM to reflash and to make new backup via Win7 new tool |
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Fixer |
also |
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Fixer |
I had problems with file transfer, it was insanely slow, like 200 kbyte/sec |
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Fixer |
update to windows PPC 2003 increased it significantly |
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Fixer |
from XX to this 200 or so |
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red-001 |
huh so is the system image getting corrupted a common problem? |
| 20:47 |
Fixer |
red-001: not corrupted, bat dies and ROM or how it is called is resetted |
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red-001 |
I remeber having to track down the image for reflashing my system and finding a way to enter u-boot |
| 20:48 |
Fixer |
it is not really reflash but something like going back to backup via special tool |
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red-001 |
It was freezing on the startup screen, before touch input, active sync etc, but after the boot loader |
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red-001 |
oh I think your issue was diffrent then |
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red-001 |
I only had boot loader access, and needed to reflash the rom image, not the flash disk |
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red-001 |
ehh not uboot, utool |
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red-001 |
but then you had a PDA and I was messing around with a GPS unit that happened to run windows ce |
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Fixer |
32 MB RAM, 32 MB flash ROM |
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Fixer |
i had gps inserted into CF-card slot |
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Fixer |
was pretty amazing |
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Fixer |
that was before android era |
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MinetestBot |
[git] juhdanad -> minetest/minetest: Do not shade inventory items with textures (#5869) 001de6f https://git.io/vHEN3 (2017-06-01T21:18:55Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Show singlenode mapgen to menu (#5868) 1c69476 https://git.io/vHENs (2017-06-01T21:18:24Z) |
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Out`Of`Control |
only my server get flooded with hacked clients with "-Using Minehacker client. Built by Jeremiah Wibberding (two_steps)." message on each line? |
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red-001 |
yeah it's a shit hacking client |
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red-001 |
ban on sight |
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Out`Of`Control |
they add that text on each line |
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red-001 |
yes |
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red-001 |
I have no idea why |
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Out`Of`Control |
banned 100 of them today |
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Out`Of`Control |
maybe even more |
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red-001 |
but it's right there in the source code they released |
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red-001 |
Out`Of`Control, make a mod do it automatically? |
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Out`Of`Control |
anyway to block that client? |
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Fixer |
lolol |
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Out`Of`Control |
there was a troll build cobble wall 50 nodes high around other players homes. |
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Out`Of`Control |
i banned them, now this hacked client join every 2 min |
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Out`Of`Control |
had to use iptables |
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PureTryOut[m] |
what exactly can such a client do more than the normal client can? |
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red-001 |
they just removed some basic limits |
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red-001 |
and apprently the player has a VPN or something |
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PureTryOut[m] |
what kind of limits? |
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red-001 |
fairly basic stuff |
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Out`Of`Control |
it was all from greec till now |
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red-001 |
it bypass privilege checks on the client |
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red-001 |
client-sided damage |
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red-001 |
and it fakes bypassing: kicks, bans, server-sided damage |
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PureTryOut[m] |
hmm |
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red-001 |
also if you have anticheat disabled it can bypass tool interact limits |
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red-001 |
their source code is a mess |
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Fixer |
thats why we need server side basic anticheat |
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red-001 |
I mean we do |
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red-001 |
it's just not great |
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PureTryOut[m] |
thats why it needs improving 😛 |
| 22:18 |
PureTryOut[m] |
meh, even non-hacked clients can cheat now with CSM. the first x-ray mod already exists |
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red-001 |
it's a pretty shitty x-ray mod tbh |
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Out`Of`Control |
red-001: not sure about limits, but they can fly for sure |
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red-001 |
I mean you have to read of co-ords |
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red-001 |
and then mine the blocks yourself |
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red-001 |
plus x-ray was already mostly possible if you disabled camera updates |
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red-001 |
you could see all the caves |
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red-001 |
and then there is the transparent texture exploit |
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Fixer |
or with custom texture pack iirc |
| 22:21 |
Fixer |
on the other hand |
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Fixer |
why would you use hacks? game gets really boring that way |
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red-001 |
who knows |
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red-001 |
maybe somehow feeling better then other players, but I doubt shitty x-ray does that |
| 22:23 |
red-001 |
kinda surprised we don't have more fly/fast/noclip hackers |
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red-001 |
they have to change literally a single line of code in a header file |
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red-001 |
my theory is that most people competent enough to build minetest are not interested in cheating in the first place |
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PureTryOut[m] |
ooh you don't know people |
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octacian |
O_o |
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PureTryOut[m] |
people can be really shitty |
| 22:26 |
octacian |
*no comment* |
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red-001 |
or at least competent to hide their cheating and not announce it publicly |
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red-001 |
note the most people |
| 22:27 |
red-001 |
jk |
| 22:28 |
octacian |
:rotfl: |
| 22:28 |
octacian |
heh, I need to rebase my hacked client. It's currently sitting on 0.4.14-dev I think :rotfl: |
| 22:28 |
octacian |
However, I'll probably never get to it, which is a good thing |
| 22:28 |
red-001 |
lol |
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red-001 |
well I ported my colour hacks from a custom client to a lua mod |
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octacian |
bigfoot547: I agree |
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octacian |
red-001: You mean the rainbow stuff? |
| 22:29 |
red-001 |
yeah |
| 22:29 |
octacian |
Cause if yes, that is the best clientmod ever :rotfl: |
| 22:30 |
red-001 |
now everyone can use annoying orange and teal or rainbow text |
| 22:30 |
red-001 |
at least until they get kicked for being annoying |
| 22:30 |
PureTryOut[m] |
🙄 |
| 22:31 |
red-001 |
you know democratisation of being annoying |
| 22:36 |
red-001 |
btw https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=17775 |
| 22:36 |
red-001 |
!title |
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MinetestBot |
red-001: [clientmod] Coloured chat [colour_chat] - Minetest Forums |
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Out`Of`Control |
i wonder no other server get this hacked clients? |
| 22:37 |
red-001 |
eh they do every so often |
| 22:37 |
red-001 |
I assume it might get a bit worse as minetest becomes more popular |
| 22:39 |
octacian |
What is with all the backwards compatibility worry? |
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red-001 |
because people are bad at updating software |
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Out`Of`Control |
can i ban old clients on server side? |
| 22:43 |
Out`Of`Control |
block |
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red-001 |
Out`Of`Control, yes |
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Out`Of`Control |
how? |
| 23:06 |
red-001 |
you could either use strict protocol checking or write a mod that checks the client has at least your target protocol version |
| 23:08 |
red-001 |
why do you want to block old clients? |
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Out`Of`Control |
thanks |
| 23:08 |
Out`Of`Control |
red-001: to block hacked client |
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red-001 |
oh |
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Out`Of`Control |
red-001: i think they use tor or something |
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red-001 |
huh maybe you could only run it on new users |
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red-001 |
http://ipduh.com/ip/tor-exit/ |
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red-001 |
well in that case wouldn't it make more sense to figure out what they are using and block that? |
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| 23:12 |
red-001 |
lol username of the creator of minehacker is angry-squirrel |
| 23:14 |
red-001 |
it seems the version string of minehacker is "0.4.14-dev-a9b1585-dirty" |
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Out`Of`Control |
red-001: tells me not tor |
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red-001 |
Out`Of`Control, are you able to compile a modified version of minetest? |
| 23:15 |
Out`Of`Control |
red-001: why not |
| 23:15 |
red-001 |
it change needed to be able to check the version string from lua is fairly simple |
| 23:17 |
red-001 |
move https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/script/lua_api/l_server.cpp#L256 to before the "#ifndef NDEBUG" |
| 23:18 |
red-001 |
so the whole function should look something like this https://pastebin.com/PLs5NaDK |
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red-001 |
bigfoot547, they where using git anyway |
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Out`Of`Control |
and probably hes here |
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AntumDeluge |
I don't think I got an answer on this, but is there a way to disable damage from torches? |
| 23:21 |
red-001 |
anyway if they are not using the version I acquired there is still a decent chance their commit id could be used to id them |
| 23:22 |
red-001 |
I mean they didn't remove the annoying message about who made the client so I don't think they modified it |
| 23:22 |
Out`Of`Control |
red-001: but i think its same person, always walk at one place and build wall |
| 23:22 |
Out`Of`Control |
at same spot |
| 23:24 |
red-001 |
well I can't really recommend anything other then try and ban them by checking thier version string and try and figure out a pattern for their ips so you can ban them all |
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Out`Of`Control |
thank you red-001 |
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red-001 |
anyway there is this thing called sleep that apparently humans need to survive |
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red-001 |
night all |
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Out`Of`Control |
gn |
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soupfly |
AntumDeluge, torches cause damage? |
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soupfly |
AntumDeluge, I think there is a clue in the torch.lua file. "flammable=1" is part of it's groups |
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soupfly |
AntumDeluge, removing it may remove it's ability to harm players? |
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