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Foz |
anyone know how to alias items in inventories but leave items on the map alone? |
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Sliss |
So yesterday I was looking for a mod that sucks all items around a player ot its inventory... [got disconnected then, and no not the pipeworks mod ;-)] Someone knows about this? I saw this behaviour on the 'Legends of Survival' server ... |
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Foz |
maybe you want item_drop |
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Foz |
I'm using that on Fozland if you want to try it |
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Sliss |
ok having a look now |
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Sliss |
yes, as confirmed ingame, that is what I am looking for |
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Foz |
https://github.com/HybridDog/item_drop |
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Sliss |
thx Foz |
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botch |
Hello all :) |
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srifqi |
Hello, botch ! |
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Lone-Star |
i read the name wrong and thought it said something else....with an "i". lol |
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botch |
I'm off, Happy New Years if I don't come back before 2018 :) |
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FourFire |
!up 5.157.7.186 53109 |
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5.157.7.186:53109 is up (56ms) |
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FourFire |
Yee |
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deltasquared |
!mod irc |
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MinetestBot |
deltasquared: Internet Relay Chat [irc] by kaeza - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=3905 |
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deltasquared |
I wonder if I could break out the SASL part... hmm |
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Megaf |
LazyJ: Heya |
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LazyJ |
Howdy Megaf ;) |
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mawaway |
any 0.5 servers with users on? or does everyone use stable releases? |
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LazyJ |
mawaway: Check the Minetest Servers List webpage: |
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LazyJ |
http://servers.minetest.net/ |
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LazyJ |
There is a column that lists what engine version each server listed is using. |
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mawaway |
yes. but all of the 0.5 servers are empty. that was why I was asking |
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LazyJ |
If the users depended on pre-compiled clients, then most will be 0.4.16. |
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mawaway |
ok. what version is the stable branch on git |
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LazyJ |
0.4.16 |
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mawaway |
cool |
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mawaway |
thanks |
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LazyJ |
0.4.17 is a backport of 0.5.0 bug fixes to 0.4.16 |
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LazyJ |
yw ;) |
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mawaway |
is 0.4.17 compatible with 0.4.16? |
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LazyJ |
Yes. |
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mawaway |
alright |
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LazyJ |
The compatibility breaks with 0.5.0 (0.4.16-dev) |
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LazyJ |
The version number method is in flux atm. |
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Megaf |
mawaway: At times I have a .5 server running, why? |
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Megaf |
and .5 is not released yet, that's why is empty I guess |
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Megaf |
also, there's a lot of resistance from servers admin in pushinb .5 |
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Megaf |
Tho modders are pushing .5... |
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mawaway |
Yeah I was just wondering. |
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mawaway |
What's your server MEgaf? |
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Megaf |
my .5 server is not online at this time, will come online after new year :P |
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mawaway |
oko |
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Megaf |
mawaway: my main server is .4 server |
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Megaf |
LazyJ: did you push LinuxGaming to ..17 yet? |
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LazyJ |
Nope. |
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LazyJ |
No pushing, more like pulling it through slippering mud chained to a bicycle with bald tires. :p |
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Megaf |
I think is worth going to .17 |
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Megaf |
just have a full backup just in case |
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Megaf |
I managed to bring almost everything from my old 0.14 to .17, there's still come glithes to fix |
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LazyJ |
My stuff is so intertwined that a little change in one mod can have rippling affects through other mods so updating is a very painful process. |
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LazyJ |
That and I just don't have a head for coding. |
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LazyJ |
So I have to re-learn everything and guess at most. |
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Megaf |
I have missing plasticbox mod nodes, that were cut in the circular saw |
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Megaf |
and some missing darkage mods too |
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Megaf |
I mean, nodes |
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Megaf |
Oh boy, 90+ seconds of lag here |
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Megaf was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com. |
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mawaway |
Hey do you guys know how the password auth works for servers? |
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mawaway |
I read an issue that it uses sha-1 (which is very insecure) |
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LazyJ |
No clue. |
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mawaway |
I am sniffing with wireshark to see if I can reverse my password. That would be pretty bad |
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mawaway |
crack not reverse |
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LazyJ |
MT is not secure. |
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LazyJ |
This past year has proven that a few times over. |
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mawaway |
what happened? I'm new to minetest |
| 16:38 |
LazyJ |
Guess that means MT is getting popular enough to be worth exploiting. :/ |
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LazyJ |
There was a hole in a popular mod that allowed access to the host files. |
| 16:40 |
LazyJ |
The devs used it to hack servers and shut them down with a very vague message. |
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mawaway |
oh |
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LazyJ |
That was during the middle of the Wannacry hacks going on around the world. |
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mawaway |
yeah |
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LazyJ |
Bad choice made during a bad time. |
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Megaf |
Bacj |
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LazyJ |
As a server-op, I lost a lot of trust in the devs as a result. |
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Megaf |
didnt even notice I had left |
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LazyJ |
Megaf: Heh. There was a noticeable silence from the riff-raff corner so I started kvetching in your place. :0) |
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Megaf |
:) |
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mawaway |
Megaf: are you familiar with the source code of Minetest? |
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Megaf |
Part of it, unfertunetaly, why? |
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mawaway |
I was wondering if you knew how the password verification worked |
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LazyJ |
mawaway has some concerns about the auth file's security (or lack there of). |
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mawaway |
yeah |
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mawaway |
I saw a github issue and am trying to see how it works |
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Megaf |
ah, I never took MTs auth seriously |
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LazyJ |
There's some mutterings about converting the auth file to sqlite. |
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Megaf |
It's happening, and it's somewhat welcome |
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Megaf |
though I like the easiness of our current system |
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LazyJ |
One more arcane set of code gibberish I'll have to figure out. |
| 16:46 |
Megaf |
I can filter players and manipulate the list with a simple grep command. |
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LazyJ |
Aye. |
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Megaf |
Worry not, they will not just push and force us to migrate. |
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Megaf |
Actually, if you deploy a new server maybe sqlite is already the default |
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LazyJ |
There are times when dealing with player issues or MT gaffs that text files are quicker and easier to resolve. |
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Megaf |
Just don't use the migrate tool, it's currently broken AFAIK |
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Megaf |
rubenwardy: Do you know if the tool to migrate auth to sqlite has been fixed or not? |
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mawaway |
This is the only game I know of that uses UDP instead of TCP, but I'm into security not games. |
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LazyJ |
As usual, I'll wait for other servers to hit those headaches first. |
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Megaf |
mawaway: UDP is awesome. Tho I don't really think MT takes a good use of UDP |
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Megaf |
we have some many latency problem in other areas... |
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Megaf |
UDP is not speeding up anything at all |
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mawaway |
Yeah UDP is also insecure. No ssl or connection verification. It's probably more useful on smaller apps not games. |
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LazyJ |
mawaway: Megaf and I are battle-weary vets of MT so our perspectives are more salted. Ask the devs for more rosy and techy responses to the current state of MT development. |
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LazyJ |
Though Megaf is far more tech-savvy than I'll ever be. |
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* LazyJ |
shuffles off for a fresh cup of coffee and munchies. |
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* Megaf |
joins LazyJ and sips his latte |
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Megaf |
like a sir |
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Megaf |
mawaway: if you have very techy questions related to code -Dev is the place indeed |
| 16:55 |
Megaf |
lol |
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sfan5 |
LazyJ: who are "the devs" you spoke of earlier? |
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* Megaf |
hides |
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Shara |
From what i know, the attacks on servers made to "help them" were not made by the "devs" or with their general agreement. |
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sfan5 |
hence why I'm asking who he's referring to |
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LazyJ |
sfan5, Shara: What I gather from reading the #minetest-dev archives of that period, krock/smalljoker had created an exploit script and, with what appears to be tacit consent from the other devs, used it on servers that had that particular mod installed. |
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sfan5 |
yea that sounds correct |
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LazyJ |
My server was unaffected as I had the good sense to remove those parts of the mod when they were added, years ago. |
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LazyJ |
I understand the urgency of the moment made the decision and actions seem justified but it was still a bad choice. |
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Shara |
It was bad, but it was not "the devs". Just individuals being foolish. |
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LazyJ |
A slower but more tactful alternative would have been to attempt to contact the server-ops first. |
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Shara |
The other person involved wasn't even a dev, and was the one who did most of it from what I know (note: I don't want to drop names) |
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LazyJ |
Another option would have been to give a much better and detailed explanation for the server hack shutdown. Not ideal but better than [paraphrased] "update X-mod now". |
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Krock |
LazyJ, sorry but by that time I rushed too fast and didn't think about the self-patching script - which I completed later |
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Krock |
unlike in other mods this could cause real damage on servers |
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shivajiva |
I'm not sure having data in a db is any harder to access than a text file on a system without an editor, install a client, say sql studio and you have far better access to the data in ways you can manipulate via sql, want to dump the players who didn't login for 6 months...simple statements |
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Krock |
shivajiva, one could argue that sed could so similar - but of course, a database it way more suited for large data amounts than text files |
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whitephoenix |
Krock, finally finished that pr |
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Krock |
whitephoenix, oh that's great. thank you :) |
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whitephoenix |
no problem, sorry it took so long |
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shivajiva |
from the server owner perspective the data is useful just not when it's all in memory at once, that lends itself to a db |
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shivajiva |
for example I have 200k of players but I want the server to use only the memory for the current players, not the whole set, that's just silly. |
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shivajiva |
there is a cache branch for sban that stores current bans in memory for speed and draws on a db, makes more sense than holding every scrap of data, no wonder it corrupts now and again |
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shivajiva |
we have a ban mechanism that can't even ban an offline player, this is why everyone uses a custom ban solution like xban or sban |
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shivajiva |
sban can ban a player it's never even seen if you have the correct priv |
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Hijiri |
]/buffer 47 |
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riff-IRC |
Hello Taose |
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Taose |
Hi :) |
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riff-IRC |
How are you? |
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Taose |
Very well thanks, yourself? |
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riff-IRC |
Good |
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riff-IRC |
Ripping some CDs |
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riff-IRC |
and I know, this isn't 1998 |
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riff-IRC |
or 1999 |
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riff-IRC |
hey swift110 |
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riff-IRC |
and I also have Live PD on in the background |
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Taose |
Tis okay, I was just playing FF7 myself |
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riff-IRC |
on a PS1? |
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Taose |
yup |
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riff-IRC |
on a Sony TV? |
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Taose |
No, never had one of those >.<; |
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riff-IRC |
oh, so no Trinitron :| |
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Taose |
Nope XD |
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riff-IRC |
I have a Philips TV |
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Fixer |
nothing bad about ripping cds |
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Fixer |
i'm writing to dvds in 2017, because it is cheap and more robust than flash drives that can die without notice |
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Fixer |
you can also use stuff like par to enhance data recoverability, when flash fails - it kinda suuuuuck, there is hacky ways to get data out |
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Fixer |
if you have 1000 jpegs on your DVD, and it has few sector errors, missing just those 2 files is not a problem, on flash it will die as a whole |
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Fixer |
if you store ISO on DVDs, har-har, you can skip damaged sectors, find original *nt, supply recovered part, and it will DL missing parts |
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Fixer |
there is another way to do backup locally - buy a hard-drive, maybe even USB one |
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Fixer |
dump data to it and store in safe space |
