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anon46853 |
anyone here? |
| 00:44 |
paramat |
nope |
| 00:44 |
anon46853 |
lol |
| 00:44 |
anon46853 |
I just installed minetest |
| 00:44 |
anon46853 |
and when I opened it it's in Japanese |
| 00:45 |
anon46853 |
how do I fix this |
| 00:45 |
paramat |
look in the userlist, all those people aren't here either ;) |
| 00:45 |
paramat |
congrats! |
| 00:45 |
paramat |
hmm |
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anon46853 |
I don't know Japanese btw |
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rom1504 |
anon46853: the fix is learning Japanese |
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rubenwardy |
search for local in advanced settings |
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rubenwardy |
*locale |
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rubenwardy |
hmmm |
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rom1504 |
Minetest is an educational game |
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rubenwardy |
it's a button on the second to last tab in the main menu |
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rom1504 |
Teaches you languages |
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anon46853 |
hmm |
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rubenwardy |
it's because your computer language is Japanese :) |
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paramat |
in minetest.conf add 'language = en' |
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anon46853 |
um where do I find the minetest.conf file |
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rubenwardy |
~/.minetest/minetest.conf |
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rubenwardy |
I think |
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paramat |
it's a text file in your minetest directory |
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anon46853 |
Ik |
| 00:49 |
anon46853 |
there is no .conf file |
| 00:49 |
anon46853 |
should I create one if it's not there? |
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paramat |
there will be one somewhere |
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anon46853 |
I couldn't find it |
| 00:50 |
anon46853 |
just did a system wide search |
| 00:50 |
paramat |
no, it's created automatically, don't add one |
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paramat |
i wonder if it's only created once you play in a world ... can't remember |
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paramat |
can you find a text file called minetest.conf.example ? minetest.conf should be next to that |
| 00:55 |
paramat |
(if it exists) |
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anon46853 |
I just did a system wide search for minetest.conf |
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anon46853 |
zero results |
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paramat |
yeah, do one for ..example |
| 00:56 |
anon46853 |
okay wait |
| 00:56 |
anon46853 |
nada |
| 00:56 |
paramat |
minetest.conf.example |
| 00:56 |
paramat |
weird |
| 00:57 |
anon46853 |
yeah |
| 01:01 |
anon46853 |
how do I change language from the game menu |
| 01:02 |
anon46853 |
you said the option to change language is on the tab second from the last |
| 01:02 |
anon46853 |
right? |
| 01:02 |
paramat |
in advanced settings, problem is that may be hard to navigate in japanese :) |
| 01:03 |
paramat |
hang on i'll try to navigate you .. |
| 01:04 |
paramat |
0.4.16? |
| 01:05 |
anon46853 |
0.4.17.1 |
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rubenwardy |
what OS, anon46853? |
| 01:06 |
anon46853 |
https://imgur.com/a/v3BPuVN |
| 01:06 |
anon46853 |
windows |
| 01:07 |
rubenwardy |
so, you have your Minetest folder |
| 01:07 |
rubenwardy |
say /My Documents/minetest |
| 01:07 |
rubenwardy |
minetest.conf should be created in the root of your MT directory |
| 01:07 |
rubenwardy |
so |
| 01:08 |
rubenwardy |
/My Documents/minetest/minetest.conf |
| 01:08 |
rubenwardy |
next to minetest.conf.example |
| 01:08 |
rubenwardy |
sure it's not there? |
| 01:09 |
anon46853 |
yeah neither of those files exist |
| 01:09 |
rubenwardy |
alternatively: click the third tab for the settings, then click the button in the bottom left |
| 01:11 |
anon46853 |
this is what my screen looks like now |
| 01:11 |
anon46853 |
https://imgur.com/a/qhYBS3x |
| 01:11 |
anon46853 |
where do I go from here? |
| 01:11 |
paramat |
yeah that's advanced settings |
| 01:12 |
rubenwardy |
in the top, type language then click the button |
| 01:12 |
paramat |
will guide you in a moment |
| 01:12 |
paramat |
ah |
| 01:12 |
rubenwardy |
or press enter |
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rubenwardy |
then click the right most button in the bottom right |
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rubenwardy |
there will then be a drop down |
| 01:14 |
anon46853 |
thanks |
| 01:14 |
anon46853 |
it worked |
| 01:14 |
anon46853 |
:) |
| 01:14 |
paramat |
phew |
| 01:15 |
anon46853 |
so u guys come here often? |
| 01:16 |
ChimneySwift |
I would hope so |
| 01:16 |
anon46853 |
cos Idk what I would have done if u guys weren't there lol |
| 01:17 |
anon46853 |
most irc channels I go on are dead |
| 01:19 |
anon46853 |
sad irc is dying |
| 01:19 |
anon46853 |
really miss the old days |
| 01:22 |
ChimneySwift |
well considering they're both devs an this is the official chat channel for minetest I think you're all good :p |
| 01:23 |
paramat |
MT IRC is fairly active |
| 01:24 |
paramat |
and almost all the devs won't go anywhere else |
| 01:24 |
paramat |
discord's for the kiddies ;) |
| 01:24 |
paramat |
the quality of discussion is higher here too |
| 01:28 |
rubenwardy |
how do you know that without spying in discord? |
| 01:29 |
ANAND |
o_O |
| 01:29 |
octacian |
I was just gonna ask that |
| 01:29 |
ChimneySwift |
dun dun dah |
| 01:29 |
octacian |
Unless you're there, you don't know :P |
| 01:29 |
ANAND |
Could've been a general opinion too, though |
| 01:29 |
ChimneySwift |
lol |
| 01:30 |
octacian |
There tends to be more lower quality discussion there, but just because its more active. Even more of it tends to be of near equal quality to that of IRC. |
| 01:30 |
octacian |
At least it's usually more active. not today though lol |
| 01:31 |
ANAND |
For kiddies or not, 'tis where the players are. If someone is deeply involved with a server, joining that server's Discord (if one even exists) is kinda mandatory. :) |
| 01:32 |
ChimneySwift |
it's about equivalent to joining their forum :P |
| 01:33 |
paramat |
heh no i'm not there, but i'm probably right about the quality |
| 01:34 |
paramat |
and yes, just because there are more people there, and generally younger and less experienced |
| 01:34 |
ANAND |
Being partial towards IRC, I hate to say this, but Discord has been the place for a lot of deep on-topic discussions too. :P |
| 01:35 |
ChimneySwift |
IRC tends to be much more consistent quality, but theres still a lot of good quality conversion. Modding, development, general help, and quality off topic too |
| 01:36 |
ChimneySwift |
it's good MT has a presence on a platform with a larger young audience, it gets new people involved and curious, and somewhere we're they can ask for help from more experienced people |
| 01:38 |
paramat |
yeah, essentially i'm wary of the signal to noise ratio, even though there is apparently some signal there |
| 01:38 |
ChimneySwift |
additionally, it gives a more approachable way to access the core audience of the game which can help development |
| 01:38 |
ChimneySwift |
yeah, there's more noise than here for sure, but it's not all bad :) |
| 01:39 |
ChimneySwift |
ofc, whether or not you like discord is a whole other conversation :P |
| 01:41 |
paramat |
yes, good points |
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Pilcrow182 |
heh, all this talk of IRC vs Discord... I actually find IRC a lot easier to use, of the two. Especially when you want quick in-browser access; Discord's site is bloated and slow, while webchat.freenode.net is quick and simple. |
| 02:18 |
Pilcrow182 |
There's also Reddit, haha. Want the worst parts of Discord mixed with the worst parts a forum? That's Reddit. :P |
| 02:21 |
ANAND |
Heh |
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Pilcrow182 |
internet probs, ANAND? |
| 02:31 |
ANAND |
Nah, I switched off my Wi-Fi for testing a PR :P |
| 02:32 |
ANAND |
#7863 |
| 02:32 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7863 -- Don't display page-nav buttons when #store.packages == 0 by ClobberXD |
| 02:32 |
ANAND |
Pilcrow182: ^ |
| 02:33 |
Pilcrow182 |
Seems like a good change |
| 02:36 |
Pilcrow182 |
I just assumed you were having problems because my own internet cuts out with no warning pretty often. I'm actually surprised it's been online without problems for so long tonight, lol |
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ANAND |
My internet used to be exactly the way you describe yours to be, until recently. :) |
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Pilcrow182 |
Well, I get what I paid for; it's cheap and still tolerably fast, I just have to reset the modem about once per day |
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luk3yx |
Pilcrow182: https://xkcd.com/1495/ |
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ANAND |
lol |
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MarisaG |
Hi everyone |
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MinetestBot |
MarisaG: Nov-13 04:53 UTC <Ruslan1> hi |
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MinetestBot |
MarisaG: Nov-13 04:54 UTC <Ruslan1> hi |
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MarisaG |
Hi Ruslan1 |
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ChimneySwift |
lol |
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Pilcrow182 |
heh. Ruslan. he was in here asking over and over again if you were here, MarisaG... :P |
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MarisaG |
lol |
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MarisaG |
Oh well, missed your replay Pilcrow182 |
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MarisaG |
reply |
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MarisaG |
If you're around Ruslan1, I'm here |
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scr267 |
!mod road |
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MinetestBot |
json.decoder.JSONDecodeError: Expecting value: line 1 column 1 (char 0) (file "/usr/lib/python3.6/json/decoder.py", line 357, in raw_decode) |
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scr267 |
hum... |
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scr267 |
Should be some error handling there. |
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scr267 |
!mod street |
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MinetestBot |
json.decoder.JSONDecodeError: Expecting value: line 1 column 1 (char 0) (file "/usr/lib/python3.6/json/decoder.py", line 357, in raw_decode) |
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ANAND |
sfan5: ^ |
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sfan5 |
Krock wrote the code for that module, not me |
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ANAND |
Oh, sorry :) |
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Fixer_ |
Wuzzy: hey, can you edit posts in github? I have JS enabled on it but suddenly they show me a warning about legacy and stuff just does not work anymore suddenly (like editing posts, etc) |
| 20:29 |
Wuzzy |
do you now understand why i want to move away from GitHub? :) |
| 20:30 |
octacian |
I'm just gonna say it. Refusing to use JS on something like GitHub doesn't make any sense :P |
| 20:30 |
Fixer_ |
do those fucks intentionally break it for my ESR? |
| 20:31 |
Fixer_ |
i'm on yet moved to Quantum, wtf... |
| 20:31 |
Fixer_ |
on=not |
| 20:31 |
Fixer_ |
octacian: i do use JS on it, it still refuses to work |
| 20:31 |
octacian |
It should work on an older version, unless it's really old |
| 20:31 |
Fixer_ |
like it detects my ESR and says to fuck off |
| 20:32 |
Fixer_ |
52 is not that old |
| 20:32 |
octacian |
Wait, ESR? |
| 20:32 |
Fixer_ |
prequantum ESR |
| 20:32 |
Fixer_ |
it was EOL few months ago |
| 20:32 |
octacian |
Ah I see. That might be the case |
| 20:33 |
Calinou |
pre-Quantum browsers are no longer supported by GitHub |
| 20:33 |
Calinou |
they may still work for now, but there's no guarantee there will in the futuret |
| 20:33 |
Fixer_ |
some addons are still not ported |
| 20:33 |
Calinou |
I'm reminded of https://www.sudosatirical.com/articles/new-firefox-not-nearly-clunky-insecure-enough-for-local-man/ :P |
| 20:34 |
Fixer_ |
quantum is so much faster, but I'm waiting for that FEATURE in 64 or so where you can use TWO profiles in parallel without hacking too much |
| 20:34 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 20:34 |
octacian |
I haven't really come across anything of importance that's missing, but maybe that's just me |
| 20:34 |
Fixer_ |
still need prequantum for some powerfull stuff |
| 20:34 |
Fixer_ |
like flashgot |
| 20:34 |
Fixer_ |
mass downloading |
| 20:35 |
Fixer_ |
quantum is CRIPPLED |
| 20:35 |
GreenDimond |
The only thing I miss from prequantum is TabMixPlus |
| 20:35 |
Fixer_ |
can't do shit with it |
| 20:35 |
Calinou |
I used Waterfox last year to run a legacy add-on that our university required us to use |
| 20:35 |
Calinou |
but that's over now ) |
| 20:35 |
Calinou |
:)* |
| 20:35 |
Fixer_ |
GreenDimond: if you are using it to display rows of tabs, you can use CSS hack for it |
| 20:35 |
Fixer_ |
I have Tabmix as well |
| 20:36 |
GreenDimond |
Nah I want it for other things too |
| 20:36 |
Fixer_ |
i need flashgot, tabmix, scrapbook |
| 20:36 |
octacian |
you sure there aren't already similar things with the new plugin system? |
| 20:36 |
Fixer_ |
no |
| 20:37 |
Fixer_ |
they are crippled 1 star craps |
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Fixer_ |
read the comments |
| 20:37 |
Fixer_ |
"Not a replacement. Do not dl this. No features. Useless" |
| 20:37 |
Fixer_ |
I've tried some flashgot replacements and they are shit and don't work often |
| 20:38 |
Fixer_ |
Or they suggest me to go back to WinHTTrack (google it) |
| 20:38 |
Fixer_ |
? |
| 20:38 |
octacian |
Well, I'm sure as the demand increases more will show up. You could make your own too |
| 20:39 |
Fixer_ |
octacian: not possible, no apis atm |
| 20:39 |
octacian |
what do you mean there's no APIs? |
| 20:40 |
Fixer_ |
so I guess if I want DL some files from the page, I need to fire up my WinHTTrack that is by the way has its 20 years anniversary |
| 20:40 |
octacian |
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Add-ons/WebExtensions |
| 20:40 |
Fixer_ |
octacian: no apis |
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| 20:40 |
octacian |
no APIs for what? do webextensions not support what would be required? |
| 20:41 |
Fixer_ |
octacian: they do not |
| 20:41 |
octacian |
and what exactly is missing? |
| 20:42 |
Fixer_ |
octacian: shitloads of stuff, literally, people can't realise things from their prequantum addons, you can google it, it is known |
| 20:42 |
Fixer_ |
mozilla slowly adds more apis |
| 20:43 |
Fixer_ |
Quantum is insanely fast on my PC |
| 20:43 |
Fixer_ |
PreQuantum is insanely slow |
| 20:44 |
GreenDimond |
^ |
| 20:44 |
GreenDimond |
Can confirm this for most PCs |
| 20:44 |
octacian |
Just name one API that's missing please. From what I can see, all that you'd need to recreate flashgot is there. IDK about integration with a download manager, but then too I've never used one and don't really know what they do either. |
| 20:44 |
Fixer_ |
waiting for this https://www.ghacks.net/2018/10/27/firefox-65-dedicated-profiles-per-install/ and then I off to FF65 and will keep ESR for s p e c i a l t a s k s |
| 20:45 |
Fixer_ |
octacian: flashgot is powerful, say you want to dl some files, press key, list of links appears, you select (incl wildcards), OK, -> adds to your file manager queue, ???, POWERFUL, DL thousands of files this way, it is still 10/10 addon |
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octacian |
And that could be done with a firefox WebExtension. |
| 20:46 |
Fixer_ |
saved me shit-ton of time |
| 20:46 |
Fixer_ |
octacian: probabaly, but not yet, alternatives are shit |
| 20:46 |
Fixer_ |
octacian: stuff like tabmix, session manager can't |
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rubenwardy |
tree view tabs |
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rubenwardy |
-view +style |
| 20:49 |
Fixer_ |
rubenwardy: on 16:9 shitscreens tree view is very useful |
| 20:49 |
Fixer_ |
if only it was 16:10 |
| 20:50 |
Fixer_ |
early 2019 i will go quantum, don't worry |
| 20:50 |
Fixer_ |
i can't stand those insane lags |
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Fixer_ |
on my i5 |
| 20:51 |
Fixer_ |
not even funny, barely usable browser, feels like 20 years back in time to some Celeron 300mhz |
| 20:51 |
rubenwardy |
*cough* generation 1 i5 *cough* |
| 20:51 |
Fixer_ |
rubenwardy: gen 3 |
| 20:51 |
octacian |
well IDRK but it sure seems as though all the APIs required are there. some things just haven't been ported yet |
| 20:51 |
rubenwardy |
basically just as bad :) |
| 20:51 |
Fixer_ |
rubenwardy: it is not that i5, but firefox is slow as fuck |
| 20:52 |
Fixer_ |
rubenwardy: quantum or chrome are fast as ferrari on that pc |
| 20:53 |
Fixer_ |
i have tooons of bookmarks and 67 tabs opened, prequantum just can't process that |
| 20:54 |
GreenDimond |
67 tabs.. pah |
| 20:54 |
GreenDimond |
I know someone who has about.. 200? |
| 20:54 |
Fixer_ |
GreenDimond: and only few of them are actually loaded |
| 20:54 |
GreenDimond |
They use waterfox |
| 20:55 |
Fixer_ |
GreenDimond: they are not loaded tabs, cold start is like 5-10 on i5+ssd |
| 20:56 |
Fixer_ |
i'm using firefox since literally first version, and its UI always felt _laggy_ |
| 20:56 |
Fixer_ |
when some tab loads in background - you feel the heat everywhere |
| 20:56 |
Fixer_ |
Peak Lag was FF44 or near it |
| 20:56 |
Fixer_ |
then they did some optimisations |
| 20:57 |
Fixer_ |
but Quantum is speedlight ahead, it is not subjective, it is insta-start with mostly similar addons and bookmarks |
| 20:57 |
Fixer_ |
and everything loads noticeably faster, no more dial up feal |
| 20:57 |
Fixer_ |
page rendering |
| 20:58 |
Calinou |
Chromium still feels faster in my experience, especially on JavaScript-heavy websites |
| 20:59 |
Calinou |
this is even more true on mobile, where I use Bromite now (privacy-enhanced fork of Chromium with built-in ad blocking) |
| 20:59 |
Calinou |
it doesn't block everything as it's not a proper ad-blocking add-on like uBlock Origin though :( |
| 20:59 |
Fixer_ |
Firefox is like using a donkey |
| 20:59 |
Calinou |
so I still see social share buttons and stuff like that on mobile |
| 20:59 |
Fixer_ |
then you sit in your chromium ferrari and HOLY SHIT |
| 20:59 |
Calinou |
(and anti-adblock/cookie banners) |
| 20:59 |
Fixer_ |
Firefox Prequantum* |
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Fixer_ |
Calinou: Bromite, need to add this to bookmarks, i'm using firefox on my tablet |
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Calinou |
https://www.bromite.org/ |
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Calinou |
oh, it has a new logo now :) |
| 21:03 |
Calinou |
it also has a DuckDuckGo search option, which I can't live without now |
| 21:03 |
Calinou |
(Chrome/Chromium doesn't ship with it, and you can't add it on Android) |
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rubenwardy |
firefox runs perfectly fine for me |
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Fixer_ |
rubenwardy: quantum, but prequantum one is not perfectly all |
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rubenwardy |
I don't use old versions |
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Fixer_ |
firefox quantum is enough for any normie |
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paramat |
Fixer_ please restrain the expletives :) |
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Ruslan1 |
Hi MarisaG |
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Pilcrow182 |
Calinou and Fixer_: I use DuckDuckGo as well, and haven't tried Bromite, but for Android the Lightning web browser is another great option. Fast, open-source, and supports ddg perfectly. |
| 22:39 |
Pilcrow182 |
^ no ad blocking in that, though, as far as I know. So Bromite may still be better depending on your use-case |
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Fixer_ |
ad blocking is necessary feature |
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xrogaan |
lo |
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xrogaan |
I have an azerty keyboard, and for some reason minetest does not recognize one of my keys. |
| 22:53 |
xrogaan |
Outputs this in the console: `Could not find EKEY_CODE, using orig. X11 keycode instead: 11' |
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xrogaan |
(when I press the é key) |
| 22:55 |
xrogaan |
Why is it that game engines try to define every single key in existence, and always fails to do just that because it's insane. |
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xrogaan |
and è is for some reason "shift" |
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xrogaan |
Handling non-qwerty keyboards shouldn't be so hard. |
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Ruslan1 |
Hi |
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rubenwardy |
xrogaan: we don't handle that, Irrlicht does |
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xrogaan |
so the error message is an irrlicht one? |
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xrogaan |
urgh, they still use svn. |
| 23:43 |
xrogaan |
rubenwardy: in any case, it's not handled properly by the game. There is no feedback, no error message. |
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xrogaan |
Irrlicht seems to default to the X11 keyevent though. |
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xrogaan |
> https://sourceforge.net/p/irrlicht/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/source/Irrlicht/CIrrDeviceLinux.cpp#l715 |
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rubenwardy |
this isn't something I can help with |
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xrogaan |
as long as the KeyCode is known, it can be mapped on xmodmap to retrieve a "human" name. |
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