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epoch |
just noticed it looks like minetest5 is the default version in debian/sid now |
| 03:04 |
swift110-pi |
oh |
| 03:04 |
epoch |
guess I can't rely on debian to keep legacy versions around. :P |
| 03:04 |
swift110-pi |
yeah |
| 03:05 |
epoch |
I'll build my own 0.4 for the old servers I still need to connect to. |
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swift110-pi |
you would think they would be the main ones to do it |
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fenirskunk |
Uhm which is better minetest.org or minetest.net and is there really a diff? |
| 03:06 |
epoch |
there's a difference. |
| 03:09 |
epoch |
.org is a version that has some extra patches on it |
| 03:10 |
epoch |
but its base is probably a few commits behind .net's version |
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swift110-pi |
oh |
| 03:10 |
epoch |
.net is the "official" version I guess |
| 03:11 |
fenirskunk |
And this mintest old 5 they talk about is i guess old and not around? |
| 03:11 |
fenirskunk |
It,s so confusing |
| 03:11 |
epoch |
5 is the current version for .net's minetest |
| 03:11 |
fenirskunk |
Oh |
| 03:11 |
epoch |
.org just calls their version 6 to appear ahead of 5 I think |
| 03:12 |
epoch |
they're pretty much just parallel development afaict |
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fenirskunk |
Oh so can I use mods with either one then i hope! |
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TGS |
I didn't even know there was an .org lol. I'm gonna have to take a look at that now I think. |
| 03:14 |
fenirskunk |
Eh i'll try both then if they are safe. |
| 03:16 |
epoch |
are you using windows or linux? |
| 03:16 |
fenirskunk |
Funny story I had this idea about using nasa's moon lidar scans as a map gen...like in 2014 never did it but someone got that same idea and did it in mintest. I wanna see it now. |
| 03:17 |
TGS |
I prefer Linux myself, but as a gamer I have to use Windows for many of my games. |
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fenirskunk |
I'm using a toaster |
| 03:19 |
fenirskunk |
With templeOS |
| 03:20 |
epoch |
does it print out toast with Jesus on it? |
| 03:22 |
TGS |
templeOS... isn't that the Christian/bible one? |
| 03:23 |
fenirskunk |
I'm joking |
| 03:25 |
TGS |
Damn, I was hoping I'd actually met someone that used that so I could ask them why lol. |
| 03:25 |
epoch |
I've poked at it a couple times. It has some neat stuff in it. |
| 03:25 |
epoch |
but it isn't a daily-driver |
| 03:28 |
epoch |
the canonical version doesn't have any networking support |
| 03:28 |
TGS |
Personally I use Fatdog 64 for workstation stuff, PuppyLinux (Of which Fatdog is a variant) for broader non-workstation usage such as Linux gaming and stuff. Then I use Windows for the games that simply have no Linux compatibility. |
| 03:29 |
NathanS21 |
You probably want to avoid the .org site all together. |
| 03:29 |
NathanS21 |
.net is the official site. |
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NathanS21 |
Unless you like getting nonsense spam email with threats and stuff. |
| 03:31 |
TGS |
Eh? |
| 03:32 |
epoch |
There's been drama between people on .net and .org |
| 03:32 |
NathanS21 |
Ya, the guy that runs the .org site has a chip on his shoulder. |
| 03:32 |
NathanS21 |
I've gotten death threats from him. |
| 03:33 |
NathanS21 |
They don't bother me, as he has no idea where I live. He also doesn't know how to use BCC when emailing. |
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TGS |
That seems like a perfectly reasonable reaction lol. /s |
| 03:33 |
NathanS21 |
So when he sends out his massive emails he shares everybody's email with everybody that gets the email. |
| 03:34 |
fenirskunk |
Uhm pippylimux is the bain of my existence...it promises so much and then kinda messes it self after a few weeks of hard use idk why. I gave up went back to win7 |
| 03:35 |
NathanS21 |
He claims to have a better version of Minetest, but I doubt if that's the case. Look at the Git repo, I don't think he ever made a single commit to the engine. Just makes it hard to believe that now suddenly he'd be writing good code. |
| 03:35 |
fenirskunk |
Old people....use ccn |
| 03:36 |
NathanS21 |
Make your own decisions, but you've been warned. :) |
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NathanS21 |
Anyway I gotta run. |
| 03:36 |
epoch |
I checked a specific bit of code for comparison |
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fenirskunk |
Eh nerds vs nerds..can't trust any nerds so meh i'll try both. |
| 03:36 |
epoch |
he had an extra line that version 5 didn't have where a file got closed |
| 03:36 |
epoch |
instead of left open |
| 03:37 |
epoch |
so, there's at least *one* commit that changed something |
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fenirskunk |
I was wondering more about mod compatibly |
| 03:37 |
TGS |
This is one of the things with open source though. Some asshat will take the public code, slap a few minor changes in it then call it a new "better" product. |
| 03:38 |
fenirskunk |
Yeah mint is just Debian how darw they |
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TGS |
Just because there are differences doesn't necessarily mean he's personally made any commits. Could be other people contributing. Or could just be differences between versions. I've seen forks that stayed a few versions behind just to maintain compatibility with some separate aspect. |
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fenirskunk |
Maybe they use svn |
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fenirskunk |
Anyhow i was just curious but two versions of the same thing |
| 03:45 |
VanessaE |
no, it isnt like mint vs debian. to be more accurate, more like debian "testing" versus a rebadged "oldstable" passed off as newer than "testing" |
| 03:45 |
VanessaE |
that's the closest anaolgy I can think of |
| 03:46 |
VanessaE |
analogy * |
| 03:47 |
VanessaE |
(leaving aside maintainer personality/hostility) |
| 03:48 |
VanessaE |
fenirskunk, you'd be well-advised to simply ignore the .org fork and its miantainer |
| 03:51 |
VanessaE |
epoch, its base is *way* behind. like over hundred commits behind master, by now, as .org's fork is just 0.4.17 or so, rebadged, with some stale pull requests merged in. |
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VanessaE |
(I don't know the exact numbers, so look 'em up if you're so inclined) |
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epoch |
I hadn't checked recently so I didn't know if .org had been merging .net's commits |
| 03:55 |
epoch |
since not, then yeah, go with .org :P |
| 03:56 |
epoch |
did any of the .net changes get put into the .org version? |
| 03:56 |
VanessaE |
I doubt any new code from upstream will be merged. |
| 03:56 |
VanessaE |
.org is old by intent, obsolete. |
| 03:57 |
VanessaE |
Incompatible |
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epoch |
derp. I got .net and .org backwards |
| 03:57 |
epoch |
swap them in the last like, 4 sentences I said. |
| 03:57 |
VanessaE |
right. |
| 03:58 |
VanessaE |
.org is out, use. net/upstream |
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fenirskunk |
Well if i say i should hate it...I guess I will.'idk |
| 04:05 |
fenirskunk |
There needs to be a svn version of minetest then, svn stuff is aways stable compared to git projects...don't know why |
| 04:05 |
fenirskunk |
So what mods are you all into? What,s a must have mod? |
| 04:06 |
fenirskunk |
I hit mods on the site (.net) and i just get a googplex of mods in a database |
| 04:06 |
VanessaE |
svn is no more stable than girl hg |
| 04:06 |
VanessaE |
udhdududjdififirjenfud |
| 04:06 |
VanessaE |
...no more stable than git, cvs, hg.... |
| 04:07 |
VanessaE |
and yes ive used all four of those... |
| 04:08 |
VanessaE |
if you want stable use the stable branch or a suitable tag |
| 04:08 |
epoch |
try out some of the multiplayer servers |
| 04:08 |
VanessaE |
I run 7 servers..... |
| 04:08 |
epoch |
then press F5 and point at things to see what mods provide those things |
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fenirskunk |
Nah i'm a single Player. No thanks |
| 04:08 |
epoch |
like, technic:concrete or something |
| 04:08 |
epoch |
would be technic mod |
| 04:09 |
epoch |
you can also see the list of mods a server has |
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fenirskunk |
ok ok technic mod, sounds neat |
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VanessaE |
but anyway, just get MT 5.whatever and Dreambuilder and all will be right with the world |
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epoch |
mesecons, digilines, pipeworks... |
| 04:10 |
VanessaE |
Dreambuilder has it all. |
| 04:10 |
VanessaE |
all the must-have mods. |
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epoch |
oh dang. that's a shitload. |
| 04:11 |
VanessaE |
yep. |
| 04:11 |
VanessaE |
:) |
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VanessaE |
and with that, I'm off. bbl, maybe I'll sleep |
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epoch |
does it have a digiline keyboard? |
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epoch |
oh. g'night |
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jas_ |
!title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YNUODbKiGc |
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MinetestBot |
jas_: Some Minetest Music - YouTube |
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kurtzmusch |
spooky bells |
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BuckarooBanzai6 |
!title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21145676 |
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MinetestBot |
BuckarooBanzai6: Lua 5.4.0 beta | Hacker News |
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Conradish006 |
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MinetestBot |
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kurtzmusch |
why chiantos deleted all his stuff from the forum? |
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Krock |
(s)he requested to delete the account, but this never happened IIRC |
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codic |
5.1.0 released on Sunday? |
| 17:19 |
sfan5 |
possibly |
| 17:21 |
codic |
Any other possible dates? |
| 17:21 |
codic |
Is there a beta build for Manjaro? |
| 17:21 |
codic |
If you dont wanna compile from source |
| 17:21 |
codic |
sfan5: |
| 17:21 |
sfan5 |
we only release RC builds for windows |
| 17:23 |
codic |
Oh |
| 17:23 |
codic |
Would anyone mid compiling for arch/manjaro? |
| 17:24 |
codic |
sfan5: Or should I just compile from source? |
| 17:24 |
codic |
I'd prefer a precompiled freeze build |
| 17:24 |
sfan5 |
compiling from source is easy, so just do that |
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codic |
I've done it before |
| 17:26 |
codic |
But on my relatively slow pc |
| 17:26 |
codic |
It takes time |
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codic |
And I really want to try it |
| 17:27 |
codic |
So... |
| 17:27 |
codic |
compiled on any distro will work |
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kurtzmusch |
cmon it doesnt take long to compile |
| 17:39 |
kurtzmusch |
why there is onlt release candidate 1 on the forums? |
| 17:39 |
kurtzmusch |
obly* |
| 17:39 |
kurtzmusch |
only* |
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rubenwardy |
Because it's not something that should be pushed to repos |
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kurtzmusch |
doesnt the title imply there are multiple candidates? |
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sfan5 |
helps telling them apart in case we have multiple |
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sfan5 |
but this time, we don't |
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kurtzmusch |
oh, i see |
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aldum |
codic: there is a minetest-git package in the AUR |
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aldum |
that's also gonna compile, though |
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aldum |
hey guys |
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aldum |
any particular reason the water downward flow boost value is hardcoded? |
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codic |
aldum: Ok |
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sfan5 |
is it not changeable via physics overrides? |
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sfan5 |
or rather should't it depend on the gravity? |
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aldum |
bear with me, I'm new to this, but I found that liquid max_height and viscosity is definable in mods, but when it travels a strep down, this constant gets added to it, and that determines how far it will flow after that |
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aldum |
and every subsequent step down |
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sfan5 |
oh you're talking about something else |
| 21:26 |
aldum |
I'm gonna take a step back: we had a problem with water |
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aldum |
it flows for 7 block |
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aldum |
s |
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aldum |
but if it flow down a step, it'll only flow for 5 after that |
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aldum |
I tracked it down to map.cpp:479 #define WATER_DROP_BOOST 4 |
| 21:30 |
aldum |
modified that to 6, rolled my own, and now water behaves consistently |
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sfan5 |
hm that should probably be configurable |
| 21:33 |
aldum |
that's what I thought |
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sfan5 |
I don't get the described problem though https://0x0.st/zwK-.png |
| 21:36 |
aldum |
this is the fixed one: https://i.gyazo.com/9a54f7bb29bd8753392438102ce58a61.png |
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aldum |
here's a closeup with a param2=5 https://i.gyazo.com/e45585ce76964567567a49d5464e0b99.png |
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sfan5 |
oh I think I get it |
| 21:41 |
sfan5 |
anyway you should open an issue on github so that property can some day be made configurable |
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nepugia |
Is there some way for the register_ore call to specify ores in relation to the ground height? to make it spawn atleast say 10 blocks below the ground |
| 21:59 |
aldum |
I'm gonna make a PR about it |
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