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sfan5 |
!tell entuland the chat uses mono_font_path and please test with 5.5.0-dev or your bug report won't be of any use |
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sfan5: I'll pass that on when entuland is around |
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independent56 |
!tell independent56 that i am just testing, sorry |
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MinetestBot |
You can tell that to yourself |
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independent56 |
passive agressive... go away |
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entuland: May-31 06:45 UTC <sfan5> the chat uses mono_font_path and please test with 5.5.0-dev or your bug report won't be of any use |
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entuland |
sfan5: I'm trying to find compiled binaries of 5.5.0-dev, in other project clicking on the "Build: Passing" icon of the Readme brought me to the automated builds, doesn't seem to be the case here |
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entuland |
if I'd need to build it myself from scratch I'm afraid I won't be able to |
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sfan5 |
https://gitlab.com/minetest/minetest/-/pipelines |
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sfan5 |
menu to the right of a pipeline, pick the "package:win64:archive" artifact |
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entuland |
thanks! |
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entuland |
followed up to the issue with the 5.5.0-dev test, unfortunately same behavior exception made for copypasting italian accented letters that seems to work |
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ludwig |
Hey, I hope you are all well. I just got into minetest, as I was searching for a libre voxel game. I started with mineclone2, and now me and my friends have built a lot of very cool infrastructure. Now as I understand the minetest ecosystem a bit better, I want to have more of the "real" minetest, as in use more mods. A lot of those mods add to mapgen, but we already explored the map to *wide* extends. Is there a |
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ludwig |
streamlined way to get the mapgen mdos to load their blocks into the already existing world? |
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ludwig |
or do I have to make a complex sql statement for the blocks table? |
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ludwig |
(to delete the already generated blocks outside of a certain area( |
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MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Do you mean something like "/deleteblocks"? (warning: it's destructive afaik) |
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ludwig |
uuuuh let me research that command |
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ludwig |
well kind of the opposite, i want to preserve the region with our stuff and delete everything else |
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ludwig |
since we need the ores of the new mods for example, but dont want to lose our houses, bridges, etc |
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ludwig |
alternatively to create the ores after the chunks were already generated |
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ludwig |
smth like "DELETE FROM blocks WHERE x<[..] AND x> [..] AND y<[..] AND y> [..]" |
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ludwig |
@y5nw do you know if, when I install a mod with mapgen influence, delete a range of blocks, the newly generated blocks respect the new mod? |
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MTDiscord |
<y5nw> I suppose they do |
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ludwig |
Hmm, then I am just gonna do that four times, thanks for your input :) |
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independent56 |
hello. when i make my map public, then a lot of things will be owned by singleplayer. how do i move ownership of singleplayer's things to 56independent? |
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MTDiscord |
<y5nw> I think that depends on what you are moving |
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MTDiscord |
<wwar> a lot of things like what? Protectors? |
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MTDiscord |
<entuland> run a search and replace in the database ? |
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MTDiscord |
<entuland> well, on a copy of it if you really do, may screw it up ? |
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MTDiscord |
<entuland> some stuff may be stored in the world storage files (I have at least one mod that does that and writes player names there) |
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CWz |
seems freenode is done |
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CWz |
false alarm |
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BuckarooBanzai |
!tell independent56 "/protector_replace <source> <target>" https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/protector/src/master/admin.lua#L36 (just for the protectors) |
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MinetestBot |
BuckarooBanzai: I'll pass that on when independent56 is around |
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whosit |
is there's no way to preserve default item behaviour (punch/dig) on left click, but do something else on sneak+left-click? |
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Krock |
whosit: register a on_punch() callback for example. although sneak is usually used to skip special actions to allow digging |
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whosit |
on_punch() seems to be for nodes and items use on_use() ? I can't call some default function there, like I can with on_place() by calling minetest.item_place(), it seems |
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<IhrFussel> My server just segfaulted @ EmergeManager::getCurrentMapgen() ... could a num_emerge_threads > 1 setting cause that? |
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[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Add open/close sound gains to the Doors API, balance sound levels (#2… ddebdec https://git.io/JGRL7 (2021-05-31T19:43:33Z) |
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Krock |
whosit: on_use() is called on the item you wield to punch a node. on_punch() is the node that you punch |
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independent56: May-31 18:31 UTC <BuckarooBanzai> "/protector_replace <source> <target>" https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/protector/src/master/admin.lua#L36 (just for the protectors) |
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independent56 |
hmm |
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independent56 |
i might as well crtl+f the database |
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independent56 |
im moving EVERYTHING. from a singleplayer to a multiplayer world. advtrains data, door data, travelnet data, even the kitchen sink of data. |
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entuland |
independent56, well, right after you left I suggested searching and replacing in the DB, it was more of a tongue-in-cheek remark but depending on how the data is stored, may be just fine |
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entuland |
beware that some mods store player names in the world storage files |
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independent56 |
i know... i check the logs! |
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entuland |
oh okay |
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entuland |
didn't think about the logs at all :P |
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independent56 |
and yes, i do know about the storage files. i edited the one for currency to get 10 M |
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independent56 |
https://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2021-05-31 |
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independent56 |
here |
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entuland |
in some cases things may go south if data is serialized in a way that stores string length along with the actual string (IIRC PHP serialize() does that, for instance, and makes it nasty to do such replaces in serialized data) |
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entuland |
no idea if there is anything like that in the MT DBs |
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entuland |
"i edited the one for currency to get 10 M" cheater ahahahah |
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independent56 |
i am admin. i am scarred from a year of playing on a server. i am corrupt admin. |
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entuland |
ehehhe, your world, your rules :P |
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Ingar |
a game without cheats is a bad game |
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independent56 |
when its online, i will be honest "yes, we have a corrupt admin. deal with it." |
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entuland |
I provide support for another game and I have no problem in saying to players that they're free to do whatever they want with their worlds _and_ the players in their communities |
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Ingar |
I have only one admin rule: don't bug the admin |
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Ingar |
it works pretty well |
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Noclip[m] |
lol |
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independent56 |
to prevent an XX drama on my server, i have said "admin can do what he likes. dont cry. save everything you do" |
| 20:59 |
Noclip[m] |
<independent56 "i am admin. i am scarred from a "> Oh wait, you were the one that gets banned everywhere xD |
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specing |
haha |
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independent56 |
i am. i am a scarred from years of moderator action. so i decided to be a moderator and scar others. its the ring of bullying. |
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Noclip[m] |
So however joins your server gets free bullying from you? |
| 21:04 |
independent56 |
maybe for the first week |
| 21:05 |
Noclip[m] |
Interesting "buisness" model xD |
| 21:05 |
independent56 |
yeah... i will let them grow roots, then "play" with them |
| 21:05 |
independent56 |
give them some death, teleport them into the nothing, revoke interact... just admin fun |
| 21:05 |
Noclip[m] |
Is your server already online? |
| 21:05 |
independent56 |
no |
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independent56 |
im working on the map |
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independent56 |
i have no access to port forwading |
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independent56 |
but yeah... the wiki is working on the private ip. i need to launch the server when i get home |
| 21:06 |
Noclip[m] |
<independent56 "i have no access to port forwadi"> You could use yggdrasil then. |
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independent56 |
tell me more |
| 21:07 |
Noclip[m] |
But that will only allow other yggdrasil users to connect ☹️ |
| 21:07 |
independent56 |
"in Norse cosmology, is an immense and central sacred tree." is the ddg result |
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independent56 |
brb |
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Noclip[m] |
https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/ |
| 21:09 |
Noclip[m] |
A bit like TOR or I2P but for speed instead of anonymity. |
| 21:12 |
Noclip[m] |
But if you want to be acessable over the clearnet that won't help you. |
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independent56 |
cool |
| 21:14 |
Noclip[m] |
Let's be honest, the clearnet just sucks ... |
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independent56 |
i dont want to make it online //now//, i gave myself the half-term to make the server and wiki public-ready |
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independent56 |
im very proud of my world. so if a griefer comes, then its time to play with them. |
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Noclip[m] |
It's using bad technology from the beginning of the internet. |
| 21:15 |
Noclip[m] |
<independent56 "im very proud of my world. so if"> Don't forget to keep a backup xD |
| 21:16 |
independent56 |
i dont. auomatic nightly backups. 21:00 |
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Noclip[m] |
How do you manage version control? |
| 21:17 |
independent56 |
using crontab. //i// forget to backup, but crontab always remembers |
| 21:17 |
independent56 |
version control? just a $(date + "%Y-%m-%d") slapped onto the filename |
| 21:17 |
independent56 |
i have a whole pool of neglected zips. |
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Noclip[m] |
Lol so you make a copie for every new version? |
| 21:19 |
independent56 |
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/826159362225209406/849034149234868234/Screenshot_from_2021-05-31_22-18-17.png?width=720&height=405 |
| 21:19 |
independent56 |
here is the pool |
| 21:19 |
Noclip[m] |
I recommend you to use deduplication for minetest backups. |
| 21:19 |
independent56 |
meh |
| 21:19 |
independent56 |
it works fine |
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independent56 |
only 1 gb per zip. |
| 21:20 |
independent56 |
it also zips all the mods 0_0 |
| 21:20 |
independent56 |
gtg |
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Noclip[m] |
<independent56 "https://media.discordapp.net/att"> Ahh, I did it the same way in the beginning. |
| 21:21 |
Noclip[m] |
<independent56 "it also zips all the mods 0_0"> Ohh wait, I didn't. |
| 21:21 |
Noclip[m] |
I only zipped my worlds and not the whole minetest folder. |
| 21:22 |
Noclip[m] |
What you are doing is nothing else than wasting a ton of space! |
| 21:23 |
Noclip[m] |
Don't backup things that you don't need to backup and make your backups as space-efficient as possible! |
| 21:25 |
Noclip[m] |
With 1 GB per zip you will have 365 GB after one year. |
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independent56 |
hmm |
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independent56 |
good point |
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Noclip[m] |
lol |
| 21:26 |
independent56 |
yeah... will excluide mods |
| 21:27 |
Noclip[m] |
I'm currently using Borg for world backups. |
| 21:28 |
independent56 |
hmm |
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independent56 |
meh |
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independent56 |
i like the cross-platform and simplicty of bash scripts |
| 21:29 |
Noclip[m] |
That only stores the changes of every new version. |
| 21:29 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> so your collective files will adapt to serve us |
| 21:30 |
independent56 |
meh.... i once lost a whole pool. was distressing until i realised i had a copy of everything on my sister's computer. |
| 21:30 |
Noclip[m] |
<independent56 "i like the cross-platform and si"> Does that mean you're never using Windows? |
| 21:31 |
independent56 |
i prefer being able to cpy and extract one file. |
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Noclip[m] |
<independent56 "meh.... i once lost a whole pool"> lol |
| 21:31 |
independent56 |
Noclip[m], windows is horrible. it is sin. i never use it. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> hello there |
| 21:31 |
independent56 |
excerpt for in a vm, where i point and say "haha stoopid" |
| 21:31 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> i'm sorry i can't hear you over my audiophile gear |
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Noclip[m] |
Why do you have a copie of all your files on your sister's computer? |
| 21:32 |
Noclip[m] |
<MTDiscord "<Jordach> hello there"> Hello |
| 21:32 |
independent56 |
to show her my worlds |
| 21:32 |
independent56 |
and not ^I all ^i my files, just the worlds and mods |
| 21:32 |
Noclip[m] |
<independent56 "Noclip, windows is horrible. it "> Great! Windows is the only platform that is not supported by borg (I think). |
| 21:33 |
independent56 |
brb |
| 21:33 |
Noclip[m] |
"Hey sister, could you please store a few Terabytes of data for me?" |
| 21:34 |
Noclip[m] |
"I'm sure your laptops SSD has still some free space." |
| 21:38 |
independent56 |
*hdd |
| 21:41 |
Noclip[m] |
20 TB HDDs do exist. |
| 21:41 |
independent56 |
hmm |
| 21:41 |
independent56 |
my sister wa sonly playing on some world |
| 21:41 |
independent56 |
not all my files |
| 21:41 |
Noclip[m] |
But laptops probably don't ship with them xD |
| 21:41 |
independent56 |
and i have a 500 gb SSD... everything fits. |
| 21:43 |
Noclip[m] |
Mhh, maybe they don't exist?! |
| 21:44 |
Noclip[m] |
But Wester digital has a 18 TB HDD. |
| 21:45 |
Noclip[m] |
https://shop.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-gold-sata-hdd#WD181KRYZ |
| 21:45 |
independent56 |
and it costs $700. nope! |
| 21:46 |
Noclip[m] |
<independent56 "and i have a 500 gb SSD... every"> 1 year of daily zip backups later ... |
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independent56 |
once, with timeshift, it was draining my storage space. and i didnt know. iw as wondering "why is my computer slow?". when i found out i felt sooo stupid. |
| 21:47 |
Noclip[m] |
Wait, your filesystem was actually full? |
| 21:47 |
independent56 |
timeshift is now deleted |
| 21:48 |
independent56 |
im lucky i survived |
| 21:48 |
Noclip[m] |
You know that this is probably not good for the OS, do you? |
| 21:48 |
independent56 |
i know |
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independent56 |
the OS forgives me. |
| 21:49 |
Noclip[m] |
The OS usually always expects the filesystem to be writeable. |
| 21:49 |
independent56 |
XD |
| 21:50 |
Noclip[m] |
Just imagine the filesystem gets filled up in the middle of an OS update ... |
| 21:50 |
independent56 |
luckly, timeshift was deleted. |
| 21:50 |
independent56 |
and i have... 127 gb left |
| 21:51 |
Noclip[m] |
You could use btrfs as filesystem. Then you can do daily snapshots without needing extra space for them. |
| 21:51 |
independent56 |
hmm |
| 21:51 |
Noclip[m] |
You make backups to an external drive, do you? |
| 21:51 |
independent56 |
hmm |
| 21:52 |
independent56 |
i have an external drive. but the connector wire is shit |
| 21:52 |
Noclip[m] |
(And timeshift has support for btrfs. If you use timeshift on btrfs it won't use extra space.) |
| 21:52 |
independent56 |
its impossible to make backups without "i/o error! oopsie woopsie! cant backupyour most important files" |
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Noclip[m] |
Then get a new wire. |
| 21:53 |
independent56 |
lol yeah |
| 21:54 |
Noclip[m] |
Every storage device dies after some time. Your SSD is no exception from that rule. |
| 21:54 |
independent56 |
my mum has a blue bag with a handful of storage devices. containing memories. she keeps on putting off backups. she almost lost it. i wish to make backups of it. |
| 21:55 |
independent56 |
yeah... i need to put it on my drive. |
| 21:56 |
Noclip[m] |
There are a few great backup phrases: |
| 21:56 |
Noclip[m] |
No backup no mercy. If there is no (tested) backup the data wasn't important. RAID is not a backup. One backup is no backup. Always test your backups. |
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independent56 |
hmm |
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independent56 |
i always remember "three points and you're probably good" |
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Noclip[m] |
independent56: If you can lose your backups then you aren't doing your backups the right way! |
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independent56 |
hmm |
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Noclip[m] |
Do you know the 3-2-1 backup rule? |
| 22:04 |
Noclip[m] |
Always have 3 backups on 2 different types of storage media with one backup being offsite (for example in the cloud). |
| 22:05 |
Noclip[m] |
That's basically the best you can do. |
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entuland |
I like to read the binaries of all of my important documents and medida and set them to mind in case of disaster. |
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entuland |
s/medida/media |
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Noclip[m] |
So you are backup up your data into your brain? |
| 22:11 |
entuland |
https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082 |
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Noclip[m] |
entuland: lol. How do you backup minetest worlds into your brain? |
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entuland |
eheheh, of course I was being facetious :P |
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entuland |
I wish I remembered more than 5 birthdates and more than 2 phone numbers |
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Hawk777 |
Easy. To restore your backup, start an empty Minetest world and rebuild all your stuff! |
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Noclip[m] |
"Hey entuland someone griefed your server yesterday and destroyed the whole city. Could you please roll back to another version?" |
| 22:15 |
Noclip[m] |
"Mhh, I first need to find a way to export the backup out of my brain." |
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entuland |
:) |
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Noclip[m] |
<Hawk777 "Easy. To restore your backup, st"> Super easy xD |
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Noclip[m] |
<entuland "I wish I remembered more than 5 "> I don't even try. |
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entuland |
ehehe |
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entuland |
I don't really try actually, some simply stuck after years (some others simply don't despite the years) |
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Noclip[m] |
Okay I know a few birthdays and at least one phone number. |
| 22:19 |
Noclip[m] |
I know someone who knew the first 500 digits of Pi. |
| 22:21 |
Noclip[m] |
That person also knew many people's phone numbers, car license plate numbers and more ... |
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Noclip[m] |
At some point that was really a bit scary xD |
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specing |
Sounds like the ideal spy |
| 22:22 |
specing |
remembers everything just by looking at it |
| 22:23 |
Noclip[m] |
<specing "remembers everything just by loo"> Not sure if that's how it works. |
| 22:24 |
Noclip[m] |
In case of Pi they said that they needed a few minutes to learn it. |
| 22:25 |
Noclip[m] |
I have no idea how you learn hundreds of digits in just a few minutes xD |
| 22:25 |
Noclip[m] |
Or hours |
| 22:26 |
entuland |
some people simply have such kind of memory |
| 22:26 |
Noclip[m] |
Jup |
| 22:26 |
entuland |
some also say that anyone has such kind of memory and for some reason we simply don't have access to it |
| 22:26 |
Noclip[m] |
I would probably start forgetting the beginning after a few minutes. |
| 22:27 |
Noclip[m] |
<entuland "some also say that anyone has su"> Which package do I need to install? Is it in the ubuntu repo? |
| 22:28 |
entuland |
eheheh |
| 22:28 |
Noclip[m] |
Do I need a special kernel for that? |
| 22:30 |
Noclip[m] |
<entuland "eheheh"> Downloading brain.iso now |
| 22:31 |
Noclip[m] |
Hopefully I won't brick my brain during the installation. |
| 22:31 |
entuland |
no guarantees given |
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wsor4035 |
testing to see how things are from the other side of the matrix relay |
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wsor4035 |
seems to work well |
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