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user2_ |
test |
| 04:02 |
user2_ |
ok i think it worked ;-; |
| 04:02 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> \\/ \o/ \// |
| 04:02 |
user2_ |
yay |
| 04:02 |
user2_ |
i got the IRC client running on my 25yo PC |
| 04:03 |
mrcheese |
O_o |
| 04:04 |
user2_ |
yeah, it's from around 2000 and was originally running winXP, but i installed debian 12 on it |
| 04:04 |
mrcheese |
nice |
| 04:05 |
user2_ |
it could run 5.13.0 at ~0.3 FPS on debian, or 5.1.1 (not 5.11) at ~20FPS, even on servers! |
| 04:05 |
user2_ |
(on winXP o_O) |
| 04:05 |
mrcheese |
whaa |
| 04:05 |
mrcheese |
thats nuts |
| 04:06 |
mrcheese |
5.1.1 + WinXP O-o |
| 04:06 |
user2_ |
yeah- the 32-bit build of MT from github will run on pretty much every windows version |
| 04:06 |
user2_ |
(5.1.1) |
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mrcheese |
wow- |
| 04:08 |
user2_ |
it's not a great PC at all- 2GB of DDR2 and a 2-core CPU at 1.4 GHZ |
| 04:09 |
user2_ |
it's been upgraded a bit since it was built, but hasnt had a BIOS update since 2008 |
| 04:10 |
user2_ |
(not like it would be supported any more lol) |
| 04:12 |
mrcheese |
lol |
| 04:17 |
cheapie |
user2_: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/IMG_20250409_155613.webp :P |
| 04:18 |
cheapie |
"Turbo XT" at work from 1991, updated the BIOS on it earlier this year |
| 04:18 |
MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> What does the bios update do? |
| 04:19 |
user2_ |
uh- idk, that's when it was last updated- |
| 04:19 |
MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> I meant that question for cheapie. |
| 04:19 |
user2_ |
cheapie: kinda reminds me of a 2009 game by Valve... ;) |
| 04:19 |
MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> What's the point of updating the bios? |
| 04:19 |
cheapie |
Faster than the stock one, mostly |
| 04:20 |
cheapie |
Original was some DTK ERSO BIOS which was.... not great |
| 04:20 |
user2_ |
i have a $1500 laptop here with a corrupted BIOS T-T |
| 04:21 |
mrcheese |
:O |
| 04:21 |
user2_ |
(not this one ofc) |
| 04:21 |
cheapie |
The nice thing with XT-class boxes is that the BIOS is mostly not board-specific |
| 04:22 |
cheapie |
Often you can pull the ROMs out of two completely different XT boards, swap them around, and have both still work |
| 04:22 |
user2_ |
interesting- gl doing that on a modern computer |
| 04:22 |
mrcheese |
user2_: lol |
| 04:23 |
cheapie |
This board is one of a few exceptions - it has a slightly funky chipset, but GLaBIOS has a build option to work around that |
| 04:23 |
user2_ |
the name XD |
| 04:23 |
user2_ |
i love it |
| 04:23 |
cheapie |
I need to update it again sometime, there's been a new version released since I took that picture |
| 04:23 |
mrcheese |
that bios name sounds very similar to something i know... :PPP |
| 04:24 |
cheapie |
mrcheese: That's intentional, see the "Where did the name originate?" section of the FAQ on https://glabios.org/ |
| 04:24 |
user2_ |
yeah, i knew it was based on that as soon as i saw it |
| 04:25 |
mrcheese |
:P |
| 04:25 |
user2_ |
ive completed both of the games multiple times |
| 04:25 |
cheapie |
I played through the original once... on an HP t420, at that |
| 04:25 |
user2_ |
i can beat the original in 30min :P |
| 04:25 |
cheapie |
Which is actually just barely powerful enough for it to be playable on there :D |
| 04:26 |
cheapie |
One of these: https://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/hp/t420/ |
| 04:26 |
user2_ |
playable starts at ~30-45 FPS, but i was stuck playing MT at ~20 for a little while |
| 04:27 |
user2_ |
that looks old- |
| 04:27 |
cheapie |
It's about 10 years old, but it's not really meant to be used as a standalone computer |
| 04:27 |
cheapie |
But the firmware isn't locked down at all, you /can/ install whatever OS you want, with mixed results |
| 04:28 |
mrcheese |
... |
| 04:28 |
user2_ |
huh, a VGA and DVI port on a computer from 10 yrs ago? unusual, most had HDMI by then |
| 04:28 |
cheapie |
It was the cheapest/lowest-end thin client HP sold at the time :P |
| 04:29 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> VGA was still there on some motherboards, and DVI on some graphics cards, which, the thin client would have 'integrated' (not that it would have great capabilities) |
| 04:29 |
user2_ |
the good thing about DVI and VGA is they are practically unbreakable (unless you bend the pins) |
| 04:30 |
cheapie |
Blockhead256: Amusingly it does actually have a lot of capabilities if you don't care about performance - supports OpenGL 4.6, Direct3D 12, and Vulkan 1.2 |
| 04:30 |
user2_ |
oh wow- |
| 04:30 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> 640 gaming |
| 04:30 |
mrcheese |
wow |
| 04:30 |
user2_ |
my RPi5 isnt even that good T-T |
| 04:30 |
user2_ |
it has opengl 3.1 |
| 04:31 |
cheapie |
A surprising number of modern-ish games will actually run, although they'll be grinding at swap the whole time and you're lucky to get even 1 FPS |
| 04:31 |
user2_ |
and i need 3.3 or higher to use blender T-T |
| 04:31 |
mrcheese |
im glad i dont struggle from that ;-; |
| 04:31 |
user2_ |
cheapie: i hosted a MT server on an RPi1 |
| 04:31 |
mrcheese |
how did that go? |
| 04:31 |
user2_ |
v e r y s l o w |
| 04:32 |
mrcheese |
totally not surprised lol |
| 04:32 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> I recommend https://content.luanti.org/packages/wsor4035/airgame/ |
| 04:32 |
user2_ |
i tried MTG and CTF, MTG was pretty good, CTF was slow but it still worked |
| 04:32 |
mrcheese |
XD |
| 04:32 |
cheapie |
TPU claims that the performance here is about half of a GeForce 210, although this will run (...or at least walk) a lot of stuff that a 210 won't |
| 04:32 |
user2_ |
it was able to load my gigantic CTF map with a 2gb swapfile after 6min |
| 04:33 |
cheapie |
user2_: Now try it with dreambuilder :P |
| 04:33 |
user2_ |
i never used dreambuilder |
| 04:33 |
mrcheese |
*40s max lag* |
| 04:33 |
cheapie |
You're not missing a lot, it's just a particularly huge mod soup |
| 04:33 |
user2_ |
and i find CTF pretty resource-demanding |
| 04:34 |
MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> Tasty. |
| 04:34 |
* cheapie |
slides one of these towards Blockhead256 too: https://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/hp/t510/ |
| 04:34 |
user2_ |
i have a lot of RPis- most of them working |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> dual monitor |
| 04:35 |
mrcheese |
wdym "most of them" ;-; |
| 04:35 |
cheapie |
The model after that one is my favorite "RPi killer": https://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/hp/t520/ |
| 04:35 |
user2_ |
my RPi zero 2 just draws like 1 amp as soon as you plug it in, and the CPU gets hot enough to melt the case |
| 04:36 |
user2_ |
it never worked |
| 04:36 |
cheapie |
Performance keeps up with an RPi 2 or probably 3, upgradable RAM, comes in a case, more ports, etc., and you can get them used on eBay for like $20 |
| 04:37 |
user2_ |
considering i paid $100ish for my RPi3, that's a great deal |
| 04:37 |
user2_ |
tit was new though |
| 04:37 |
user2_ |
t*it |
| 04:37 |
user2_ |
*it |
| 04:37 |
mrcheese |
... |
| 04:37 |
cheapie |
The only real drawbacks are that it's bigger, draws a bit more power (but still only like 10W under load), and doesn't have any GPIO pins |
| 04:37 |
user2_ |
i keep thinking this is ingame chat- |
| 04:37 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> 🐦 |
| 04:37 |
mrcheese |
user2_: lol thought so |
| 04:38 |
mrcheese |
🐦 |
| 04:38 |
user2_ |
i never really use the GPIO on mine- most are in my 3D-printed server rack for a file/MT server |
| 04:38 |
cheapie |
Dell Wyse 3040 goes for about the same price and is basically the same thing as an Atomic Pi but in a case |
| 04:40 |
user2_ |
you can probably get better (but bigger) PCs from an e-waste center for free/close to 0 |
| 04:40 |
cheapie |
probably |
| 04:40 |
cheapie |
HP t640 prices are falling into the interesting range these days, those have a dual-core Zen1 CPU with Vega 3 graphics and are starting to be available for like $40 now |
| 04:42 |
cheapie |
t740 (quad-core Zen1 CPU, Vega 8 graphics, PCIe slot) prices are starting to go under $100 too |
| 04:42 |
user2_ |
this PC was made in ~2000, had several minor upgrades, and now has a dual-core intel atom @1.4 GHZ, 2GB of DDR2, i replaced the 160 GB hdd with a 500 gb one, and a decent screen (its a laptop) |
| 04:43 |
user2_ |
and ~5min battery life ;-; |
| 04:43 |
mrcheese |
;-; |
| 04:44 |
user2_ |
the screen hinges are broken so i used a piece of string taped to the back of the screen and the bottom of the case to keep it from falling back ;-; |
| 04:45 |
mrcheese |
w o r n d o w n h a r d w a r e |
| 04:45 |
user2_ |
yeah lol |
| 04:45 |
cheapie |
My main laptop is starting to get like that, it's one of those super-cheap laptops meant to last a year or two. It's 6 years old now and still going. |
| 04:45 |
cheapie |
Main desktop is a lot nicer though: |
| 04:45 |
cheapie |
Client: HexChat 2.16.2 • OS: Debian forky/sid • CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor (550MHz) • Memory: 61.3 GiB Total (51.4 GiB Free) • Storage: 429.9 GB / 957.2 GB (527.3 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Navi 23 [Radeon RX 6600/6600 XT/6600M] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Host Bridge • Uptime: 4w 2d 11h 31m 6s |
| 04:46 |
user2_ |
when it does break, remove the screen and make a server |
| 04:46 |
user2_ |
(like i will do with mine) |
| 04:46 |
mrcheese |
^^^ how to expand a computers lifespan |
| 04:46 |
cheapie |
You two should see some of the stuff I manage at work |
| 04:47 |
user2_ |
i love working on computers- |
| 04:47 |
user2_ |
MT and PCs: my 2 favorite things |
| 04:47 |
cheapie |
There's a "server" there I manage that was built out of whatever crap I could find at the time, including most of a desktop that had been decommissioned in about 2018 |
| 04:48 |
cheapie |
Another one had hardware from ~2010 plus a NIC from 1998 (10/100 ought to be enough for anybody :P) |
| 04:49 |
MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> If your laptop is getting annoyingly slow, you could try connecting to your desktop through rdp. |
| 04:49 |
cheapie |
That second one is no longer in service (our needs changed), the first one is with no current plans to replace it |
| 04:49 |
user2_ |
my 'server rack' is 2 RPis in 3D-printed cases, a 1TB external HDD, and a million cords inside a laundry detergent jug- |
| 04:49 |
user2_ |
it works perfectly |
| 04:49 |
cheapie |
nathan4220776: Mine? It works fine still, I mostly just use it for "netbook" type things |
| 04:50 |
user2_ |
i have had this laptop since... 2021 i think, it wasnt new ofc lol |
| 04:51 |
cheapie |
Plays 1080p60 AV1 YouTube videos just fine, takes a few seconds to get going though |
| 04:51 |
cheapie |
Battery lasts about an hour, speakers are dead but I have a BT speaker I use with it |
| 04:52 |
user2_ |
i bought my first RPi in early 2024, and found a random APT package called 'minetest'.... ;) |
| 04:52 |
user2_ |
thats how i learned about MT |
| 04:52 |
cheapie |
I think the keyboard is going to be the death of that thing, it's been starting to pick up some weird quirks |
| 04:53 |
cheapie |
Like LShift+\ types nothing unless you push \ really hard, but RShift+\ works fine |
| 04:53 |
user2_ |
cheapie: this laptop can play videos on winXP with VLC perfectly, but on debian it's super laggy, but mpv works perfectly |
| 04:53 |
MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> You can probably play youtube videos on that thing. |
| 04:53 |
MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> As long as nothing else is open, if you paste a link into mpv, it might run smoothly. |
| 04:54 |
cheapie |
I think two of the bottom cover screws are still screwed into something, the rest of the screw stalks all broke off |
| 04:54 |
user2_ |
IIRC there is no GPU drivers, it has to use software rendering, and YT will only add more work for it |
| 04:54 |
MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> GPU doesn't matter. I'm pretty sure it's too old to handle modern codecs anyway. |
| 04:54 |
cheapie |
user2_: No GPU drivers? Is it one of the PowerVR-based ones? |
| 04:55 |
user2_ |
uh- no, i'm pretty sure it's just intel graphics |
| 04:55 |
MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> You might be surprised. There's a decent chance that it could play 1080p videos. |
| 04:55 |
cheapie |
Intel graphics generally have pretty good driver support |
| 04:55 |
MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> As long as it's not constantly swapping while doing so. |
| 04:55 |
user2_ |
RAM is fine |
| 04:55 |
cheapie |
The exception being the GMA 3600 series (PowerVR-based), those have abysmal drivers |
| 04:56 |
user2_ |
i'm at ~0.4 GB of RAM in use rn, that's with the IRC client open only |
| 04:56 |
user2_ |
it could play YT videos on winXP with firefox 52.9 |
| 04:57 |
* cheapie |
grabs that falling-apart laptop to sysinfo it |
| 04:57 |
user2_ |
but only if you went to youtube.com/?disable_polymer=true |
| 04:57 |
cheapie |
Client: HexChat 2.16.2 • OS: Debian forky/sid • CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 3200U with Radeon Vega Mobile Gfx (1.40GHz) • Memory: Physical: 28.6 GiB Total (24.3 GiB Free) Swap: 9.8 GiB Total (9.8 GiB Free) • Storage: 23.8 GB / 114.5 GB (90.7 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Picasso/Raven 2 [Radeon Vega Series / Radeon Vega Mobile Series] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h • Uptime: 5 |
| 04:57 |
cheapie |
d 6h 17m 20s |
| 04:58 |
cheapie |
It has so little structural integrity left that the keyboard noticeably flexes just from picking it up :P |
| 04:58 |
user2_ |
remove screen, kb, touchpad, fingerprint sensor, camera, etc and make a server :PPP |
| 04:59 |
MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> There's no real need to remove that stuff. |
| 04:59 |
cheapie |
I already have a home server here, based around one of those socket AM1 boards nobody bought :P |
| 04:59 |
MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> You can make it a server without mutilating it. :D |
| 04:59 |
user2_ |
nathan: to save space and weight. also slight amounts of power. |
| 05:01 |
cheapie |
Socket AM1 never had any good CPUs released for it... and said server has the slowest one, the Sempron 2650 |
| 05:02 |
user2_ |
i had a lot of software on the winXP install on this PC- VLC 3.0.8.0, pirated MS office 2010, Snes9x, PuTTY, MT (ofc), and a lot more, and probably some malware :D |
| 05:03 |
user2_ |
just for fun, i created an installation of win95 on a USB so i can boot a modern and 30 yo OS on the same PC |
| 05:04 |
user2_ |
this conversation has gotten very unrelated to MT- |
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mrcheese |
yeah wow XD |
| 05:08 |
mrcheese |
Luanti Channel: conversation about o l d h a r d w a r e |
| 05:08 |
user2_ |
and new hardware |
| 05:08 |
mrcheese |
true |
| 05:08 |
user2_ |
and software |
| 05:08 |
user2_ |
and old software- |
| 05:08 |
mrcheese |
yep |
| 05:09 |
mrcheese |
*not MT related* |
| 05:09 |
user2_ |
it started MT-related, me playing a modern server on winXP- |
| 05:09 |
user2_ |
then all kinds of stuff- |
| 05:10 |
mrcheese |
yep |
| 05:15 |
user2_ |
ima move my PC- i hope the battery doesnt die in the 30s it takes ;-; |
| 05:15 |
user2_ |
if i leave you will know why- |
| 05:16 |
mrcheese |
;-; |
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mrcheese |
... |
| 05:26 |
user2_ |
the battery didnt die- the screen froze and i had to do a hard shutdown |
| 05:26 |
mrcheese |
oooouch |
| 05:26 |
user2_ |
on a HDD ;-; |
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[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> so many new not planned/wontfix/duplicate issues |
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Krock |
stop writing issues |
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[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> i'd say zughy did a good job |
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MinetestBot |
[git] tenplus1 -> luanti-org/minetest_game: Fix replacement items being lost in furnace (#3208) 66a2113 https://github.com/luanti-org/minetest_game/commit/66a211310c34d02bfec72c03b2343da9d8e116cf (2025-09-14T20:34:18Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] y5nw -> luanti-org/luanti: Minor refactor to the `Plural-Forms` parser (#16489) cc6b56b https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/cc6b56b034c72fef0855b3791139661ffb71fa28 (2025-09-14T20:56:40Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> luanti-org/luanti: Add core.strip_escapes() (#16485) d932f34 https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/d932f34693184d62d9f7aeab08a892e1832df970 (2025-09-14T21:01:43Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] birdlover32767 -> luanti-org/luanti: Fix world buttons not appearing (#16480) 29490cb https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/29490cb0f7d0f3314d953ead7f440945c10c471d (2025-09-14T21:02:01Z) |
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user2_ |
is core.strip_escapes() available on CSMs? it would make my chat logger CSM so much simpler- |
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user2_ |
i modified my client so i could use the HTTP API on CSMs, might have to do the same for this |
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luatic |
user2_: it should be, judging by the code |
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user2_ |
ooh great :D |
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user2_ |
i don't know enough C++ to figure it out myself, but im still learning :D |
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sfan5 |
try it out |
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user2_ |
i dont know much lua either- i spent most of my time learning python3 |
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user2_ |
(which i should have spent learning C/C++ instead-) |
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