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whosita |
crashing in on_deactivate caused entities to duplicate... I wonder what happens with GUID in that case |
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repetitivestrain |
Blockhead256: people should simply forbear to host luanti servers on pitiable hardware |
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repetitivestrain |
the number of users who expect e.g. mineclonia to function on a Westmere or Sandy Bridge Xeon from the early 2010s just beggars belief |
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repetitivestrain |
function well on, that is |
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user333_ |
i ran a terrible local CTF server on an RPi1 |
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user333_ |
like 3 minutes max lag iirc |
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repetitivestrain |
that probably arose from constant swapping |
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user333_ |
yeah, it had 512 MB of RAM and an 8GB swapfile |
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user333_ |
my RPi5 could do a 3-player CTF server no problem, with a client running on it as well |
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repetitivestrain |
how much ram has the rpi5 again |
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user333_ |
depends on the model, 2-16GB of DDR4 |
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repetitivestrain |
Mmf |
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repetitivestrain |
but the processor is far more modern than the honestly pathetic hardware on which many people attempt to run mineclonia |
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repetitivestrain |
for a single threaded game such as mineclonia is, any cheap laptop from 2016+ would serve them better than a Westmere xeon |
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user333_ |
i should try mineclonia on my dual-core 1.4 GHz potato laptop :P |
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repetitivestrain |
What's the cpu |
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user333_ |
intel atom |
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user333_ |
v e r y o l d |
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repetitivestrain |
which atom though |
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user333_ |
uhh... /me runs `cat /proc/cpuinfo` |
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user333_ |
Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz |
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user333_ |
nvm it was 1.6 GHz |
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cheapie |
I should try with the array texture thing on this box sometime |
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cheapie |
Client: HexChat 2.16.2 • OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Enterprise (x64) • CPU: AMD GX-209JA SOC with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics (1000MHz) • Memory: 1.8 GiB Total (116.4 MiB Free) • Storage: 142.6 GiB / 238.4 GiB (95.8 GiB Free) • VGA: AMD Radeon HD 8180 • Uptime: 18m 2s |
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cheapie |
It does have OpenGL 3... actually 4 :P |
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user333_ |
that's better than my RPi5 with opengl 3.1 |
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user333_ |
and this potato with opengl 1.4 |
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cheapie |
In Windows it does D3D12, in Linux it does (IIRC) OpenGL 4.6 and Vulkan 1.2, it's just all very slow and that CPU isn't helping matters |
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repetitivestrain |
it's from 2009... |
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repetitivestrain |
yeah, that won't be adequate at all |
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user333_ |
;-; |
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cheapie |
2013 |
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user333_ |
i have another old laptop motherboard here, 4 core unknown intel CPU from ~2011, 2.2 GHz and 16GB of DDR3 i upgraded |
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cheapie |
It's just a /really/ low-end embedded part from 2013 |
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cheapie |
Supposed to be a thin client |
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user333_ |
how well does it run MT? |
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cheapie |
Not very well :P |
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user333_ |
this laptop gets ~20FPS at abseloute minimum settings |
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repetitivestrain |
but anyway even an "Intel J5005" will outperform the Westmere xeons where people attempt to host minetest servers |
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user333_ |
both on windows XP and debian 12 |
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cheapie |
Keep in mind that iGPU is only about half as fast as a GeForce 210, and that CPU struggles to keep it fed |
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repetitivestrain |
it's an atom from 2017 |
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repetitivestrain |
and it'll consume a quarter, if not less, of the energy required by the westmeres to do so |
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user333_ |
actually, this laptop was fairly decent as a MTG server and even a CTF server for 2-3 ppl |
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repetitivestrain |
the Atom N270? |
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user333_ |
and i was able to boot windows 11 in a VM on it o_O |
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repetitivestrain |
well that just bespeaks how unsophisticated MTG is |
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user333_ |
repetitivestrain: yes |
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repetitivestrain |
try installing 100 mods |
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user333_ |
mesecons alone will do it |
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repetitivestrain |
well, i digress |
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repetitivestrain |
mtg alone is not so much a game as it is a relic |
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user333_ |
the only thing this laptop is good for is chatting on IRC and playing videos in 720p... |
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user333_ |
and maybe a MT server |
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user333_ |
it also was able to run half-life near perfectly in windows so maybe a retro gaming laptop |
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MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> You can probably play youtube videos in 1080p if you try hard enough. The trick is to not use a web browser to watch the videos. |
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cheapie |
I should see if I can get a modern Luanti server running on the SiS 550 sometime, see if that can even host plain MTG reasonably |
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MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> On Debian, there is a program called smtube that's a dedicated browser for youtube videos. When you click on a video, it downloads it with yt-dlp and plays it in mpv. |
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user333_ |
it was barely able to play 720p at 30FPS from an MP4, i don't think so |
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cheapie |
It's the one where you just *know* it'll be all sorts of fun when not even CPU-Z recognizes it |
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MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> With the right setup, it's almost certainly possible. |
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user333_ |
the screen is only 720p so there's no point anyway XD |
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MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> The trick is to make sure nothing else is running, and that the video gets cached as much as possible. |
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MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> Higher-res videos are given higher max bitrates, so there could be benefits if you're watching a videow ith a lot of motion. |
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user333_ |
it was at 80% CPU usage playing with mpv in 720p at 30FPS with nothing else open |
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MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> Maybe that computer really is that bad. I can't say for sure, as I've never seen it in person. |
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user333_ |
and yet it was able to boot windows 11 in a VM... |
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user333_ |
took an hour though |
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MTDiscord |
<nathan4220776> But I've played videos in 1080p on computers from the early 2000s with the trick that I described. |
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user333_ |
yeah i don't think it will work on this... it was considered low-end at the time |
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user333_ |
i might try overclocking it to ~2GHz and see if it works then |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> luanti-org/luanti: Allow mapgen chunk size to be non-cubic (#16429) f4977b1 https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/f4977b1e334b9698f064e97790282c783a4406df (2025-10-22T20:31:23Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> luanti-org/luanti: Move `Game` class definition of out game.cpp c58a7ad https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/c58a7ad98ad6fb5e9a2ab260049ef3986226a163 (2025-10-22T20:33:40Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> luanti-org/luanti: Move crack overlay to shader 4756e23 https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/4756e23477e4c45a2dacb6387485101f60b2ac43 (2025-10-22T20:33:40Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> luanti-org/luanti: Silence non-useful CI whitespace check 35357e4 https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/35357e430053ea76ea4d3f148c01abc474200f4d (2025-10-22T20:33:40Z) |
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