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Helenah |
Does anyone know what formspec will most likely be replaced with? |
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bgstack15 |
html |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> chromium? lul |
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* bgstack15 |
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Helenah |
bgstack15: Rea;;y? I heard developers are completely again the idea of HTML/CSS for GUI. |
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Helenah |
*Really |
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bgstack15 |
No |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> yeah not really https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/6527#issuecomment-1821595627 |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> v-rob is the developer working the most on GUI and hopefully replacing formspec |
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MTDiscord |
<sheriff_u3> I wonder if we'll get a replacement system before that issues becomes 10 years old. |
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MTDiscord |
<sheriff_u3> *issue |
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cheapie |
Looks like Moldi has some competition now: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/screenshot_20251219_083436.png |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> do you get mugged if you go around back? |
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cheapie |
wsor4035: Ehh... you don't wanna go back there, but more because of this: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/screenshot_20251219_093945.png |
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cheapie |
Back when I built Moldi I stuck a little "disclaimer" sign on it saying "This store is not meant to imply that products from Aldi are poor quality. Aldi is actually pretty great." |
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cheapie |
User11 stuck a similar sign on Ghetto saying "This store is not meant to imply that products from Netto are that poor quality. Netto is actually somewhat OK." :P |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> "Signo: THis store is not meant to imply that products from stores that have signs that say that those stores are not meant to imply that products from the stores they parody are poor quality. Those stores are actually somewhat OK" |
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cheapie |
1/4 Market got a new product recently too: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/Screenshot_20251217_175532.png |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> oh gosh, I didn't even realise the "ghetto" store was supposed to be a parody of netto |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> have they rebranded? don't think they exist here anymore but when it did they had black text on a yellow background and a dog holding a shopping cart in its mouth... |
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cheapie |
IIRC it's like Aldi where there are two companies with the same name |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> ah gosh, there seems to be even three ones with the same name... I must have been thinking of the danish one |
| 15:55 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> > Netto is a French discount supermarket chain owned by the Les Mousquetaires group. [...] This chain of stores is neither owned nor affiliated with the Netto owned by the Danish Salling Group or the Netto owned by the German Edeka Group. |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> I'm sure their trademark lawyers are really happy about that situation |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> wow that's even more than target (AU) and target (USA) |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> > [Netto Marken-Discount] is unrelated to the Danish Netto chain, which has operations in several German states, or the French-owned Netto discount store that used the same logo. However Edeka owned 25% of a joint venture with the Danish Netto, which was sold in 2012. |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> collusion...! the plot thickens. |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> it's all controlled by the deep netto, that was an accidental exposure |
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cheapie |
Whichever Netto is the one with the red/yellow logo, it apparently doesn't have a very good reputation from what I've heard |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> probably makes sense, they're all supposed to be budget discount supermarkets. hit or miss depending on the day what they take in |
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cheapie |
Aldi seems to be aiming for the same thing and yet at least here in the US they're one of the best stores here, so *shrug* |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> that says more about USA quality standard than anything else I think |
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cheapie |
yeah |
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cheapie |
Context for those outside of the US: we have Aldi (Süd) here, they're huge, I think they're something like the 3rd-largest grocery store chain here now |
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sfan5 |
do they bag your groceries for you |
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cheapie |
no |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> I don't think you're allowed to do that if it's called Aldi, you get disappeared |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> I don't know what's got me in such a conspiratorial-seeking mood |
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* cheapie |
hmms at some stuff in Bonnthal, wonders why BDOT always leaves their traffic signal control cabinets wide open |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> but while I'm here, I'm gonna put it out there that mojang stopped obfuscation (1) to increase their chance of claiming the other party violated the terms of the software licence in a reverse engineered program |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> (2) to get free QA work from their massive content creator base |
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cheapie |
(2) reminds me of the situation in The Sims 3 with all of the community-made patches to fix or work around bugs in the game |
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cheapie |
EA: We make the games, you make 'em work™ |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> honestly you're probably right on the (1) part, I was thinking about the same when I heard the news (actually I think we had this discussion about it on matrix when it happened too) |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> yeah it was mentioned earlier |
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bgstack15 |
Blockhead256: what "other party" are you suggesting? |
| 16:15 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> I do wonder how yarn has dealt with the fact they will be seeing the copyrighted mappings as soon as they crack open the jar. my hypothesis was that they would abandon their own project and just go with mojmaps since the whole thing of providing "clean-room" CC0 licensed mappings for decompiled code that is still copyrighted is... unclear how useful that is for the modding ecosystem |
| 16:15 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> someone who creates a re-implementation of Minecraft in some way or copies code off of them |
| 16:17 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> IANAL, so I couldn't say though what constitutes an infringing copy of Java code |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> also some people (read: redditors) still seem to think that java edition is gonna be fully open sourced or at least source available... which is terribly optimistic IMO, but I guess we will see |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> or a derivative work |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> I don't expect anything even as good as unreal engine's source availability |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> yeah probably |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> and they will almost definitively not publish the entire commit history either |
| 16:22 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> so just like when they started publishing obfuscation mappings or removed the obfuscation it would just be the latest version at the time which I am not particularly interested in... I want some old version like a1.1.2_01 or b1.7.3 to be freed, whatever it would take |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> for clearance/non-infringement reasons? because surely the rev. eng. of those is done by now.. |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> yeah I guess one could pick enough modders' brains to manage to do a clean room reimplementation by now |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> I mean classicube seems to be doing alright at least, but that's much older and pre-survival |
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burgeresque |
hello again |
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user333_ |
almost 100 open PRs ;-; |
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MTDiscord |
<et086> merge them all without hesitation or review |
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[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> it's on a cycle of 80-100 |
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burgeresque |
user333: almost 100 open PRs ;-; |
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burgeresque |
is that a yay or a nay |
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* burgeresque |
slaps user333 with a rather large trout |
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user333_ |
"merge them all without hesitation or review" lgtm |
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Desour |
in a simple predator and pray population simulation, when the population of the pray goes up, the predator follows the trend and eats the pray, resulting in the pray population to go down, resulting in less food for the predators. in the end you get two waves. are the issues predator or pray? |
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Desour |
s/issues/PRs/ |
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[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> prey are PRs, predators are people noticing that there are many PRs |
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cheapie |
Traffic sign in Bonnthal downstream of that one escalator lmisu built that tends to launch players: "pedestrians may exceed 80 MPH" |
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pgimeno |
way off topic, but these waves (coming from the Volterra-Lotka equations IIRC) can be seen by starting the simulation here (sorry, page in Spanish, just click the button "(Re)Comenzar"): https://orden-y-concierto.blogspot.com/2013/04/laboratorio-de-evolucion.html |
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Desour |
ah, right, Volterra-Lotka, that's what it was called, thx :) |
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Desour |
my browser can translate spanish c: |
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Desour |
(one of the few new firefox features/changes that I like) |
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