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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> imagine not adhering strictly to ISO 8601, which specifies a T to separate the date from the time. Actualyl.. it uses colons, which need URL escaping. Can't win /shrug |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> time is evil |
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Krock |
Merry Christmas, gamers. |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> merry christmas, may you all get good games |
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cheapie |
Blockhead256: But we already have MTG and devtest, what more could you want? :P |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> uhh, Minetest Classic? |
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cheapie |
I guess |
| 15:03 |
cheapie |
So I'm sure this will come as a surprise to absolutely nobody, but trying to join VE-C on a box with 2GiB of RAM and a slow hard drive from 2006 does not result in a good experience |
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cheapie |
4GiB is kinda alright though |
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user333_ |
try an older OS and MT version |
| 15:05 |
cheapie |
But that would actually work well, and that's boring :P |
| 15:05 |
cheapie |
TBH it would help if I wasn't running the whole mess in KDE Plasma too |
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Sheriff_U3 |
If your comfortable with Linux I would give AntiX a try. I have never seen a lighter OS with a gui. |
| 15:12 |
cheapie |
It already is running Linux :P |
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Sheriff_U3 |
https://antixlinux.com/ |
| 15:12 |
cheapie |
The goal was just to see what would happen, not to build a useful system |
| 15:12 |
Sheriff_U3 |
ph |
| 15:12 |
Sheriff_U3 |
*oh |
| 15:12 |
cheapie |
Like... I'm currently typing on this: |
| 15:12 |
cheapie |
Client: HexChat 2.16.2 • OS: Debian forky/sid • CPU: AMD Ryzen AI 7 PRO 350 w/ Radeon 860M (1.84GHz) • Memory: Physical: 11.1 GiB Total (7.3 GiB Free) Swap: 13.7 GiB Total (12.6 GiB Free) • Storage: 47.2 GB / 235.3 GB (188.2 GB Free) • Uptime: 1w 4d 11h 4m 31s |
| 15:13 |
cheapie |
and my desktop is beefier than that. I have decent computers to use instead, for things like that :P |
| 15:13 |
Sheriff_U3 |
lol, that's some good specs. |
| 15:13 |
Sheriff_U3 |
these are mine: |
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Sheriff_U3 |
Client: HexChat 2.16.2 • OS: LinuxMint "zara" 22.2 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4570 CPU @ 3.20GHz (1.65GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.5 GiB Total (4.4 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (2.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 467.6 GB / 1.0 TB (551.6 GB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation Gainward GeForce GT 610 @ Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor DRAM Controller • Uptime: 1d 12h 30m 34s |
| 15:14 |
cheapie |
Client: HexChat 2.16.2 • OS: Debian forky/sid • CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor (1.75GHz) • Memory: 61.3 GiB Total (51.5 GiB Free) • Storage: 116.3 GB / 21.0 TB (20.9 TB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Navi 23 [Radeon RX 6600/6600 XT/6600M] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Host Bridge • Uptime: 4d 14h 56m 13s |
| 15:14 |
cheapie |
^ desktop |
| 15:14 |
cheapie |
The laptop actually has better single-thread performance than the desktop, but the desktop wins on pretty much everything else |
| 15:15 |
Sheriff_U3 |
Yours are definitely newer, mine is from 2013... |
| 15:15 |
cheapie |
Yeah, this laptop is from earlier this year and that desktop is a combination of mostly-new-ish parts |
| 15:17 |
cheapie |
I think the oldest part in it might be the OS installation, originally installed in mid-2016 and it's been transplanted a ton of times |
| 15:18 |
Sheriff_U3 |
lol, I switched HD's a couple months ago and decided to just install fresh instead of transplanting |
| 15:19 |
cheapie |
I've switched SSDs a few times in that thing |
| 15:19 |
cheapie |
That 21TB it mentions is currently a 1TB SSD + 20TB HDD |
| 15:22 |
user333_ |
there's actually a linux distro lighter than AntiX |
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cheapie |
I'm sure there are plenty |
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Sheriff_U3 |
what is it? (besides a server distro) |
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user333_ |
not many cram a full DE into 17mb |
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user333_ |
http://www.tinycorelinux.net/ |
| 15:23 |
user333_ |
11MB for full CLI, 17MB for a DE, and ~250MB for more software |
| 15:24 |
user333_ |
"It is not a complete desktop nor is all hardware completely supported. It represents only the core needed to boot into a very minimal X desktop typically with wired internet access." |
| 15:24 |
cheapie |
user333_: I have an SSD that's perfect for that :P https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/P_20200102_162852.jpg |
| 15:25 |
Sheriff_U3 |
I think that that distro is a bit on the dead side though. |
| 15:25 |
user333_ |
my idea was to put TinyCore + a custom luanti appimage + a few scripts to make LuantiOS, a bootable ISO that has fullscreen luanti on startup |
| 15:26 |
Sheriff_U3 |
lol |
| 15:26 |
user333_ |
because why not |
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[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> you know what to do with it? |
| 15:26 |
[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> make apps in it as games |
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cheapie |
user333_: Does TC even ship support for any 3D acceleration, or are you going for the "llvmpipe ought to be enough for anybody" strategy? |
| 15:26 |
Sheriff_U3 |
surprising |
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[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> bundle no other applications other than commandline or whatever |
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user333_ |
no idea. |
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Sheriff_U3 |
the forums for it are still up |
| 15:27 |
Sheriff_U3 |
with recent msgs |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> heard of that before, the modern Linux "PC booter" |
| 15:27 |
user333_ |
i'm running it in a basic VM so there will be no 3d acceleration whatsoever |
| 15:27 |
[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> slideshow mode on |
| 15:27 |
user333_ |
seconds per frame |
| 15:28 |
cheapie |
I find Luanti to usually be at least marginally playable with llvmpipe |
| 15:28 |
[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> wish luanti had more people... but then you would lose the sense of "close-knit community" and have people trying to cashgrab stuff |
| 15:29 |
user333_ |
compared to other games, luanti is very lightweight, yes |
| 15:29 |
[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> lightweight, but singlethreaded so one thread on the cpu just gets bombarded |
| 15:29 |
cheapie |
It looks like ass and the textures are a blurry mess, but with the same settings I usually use here, I can get ~20 FPS in devtest with llvmpipe, view range 200 |
| 15:30 |
user333_ |
tbh that's not bad |
| 15:30 |
user333_ |
software rendering ftw... |
| 15:30 |
[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> how much do you get if you turn off hud, or look at the sky |
| 15:30 |
cheapie |
Looking straight up gets me 60 FPS |
| 15:30 |
cheapie |
(capped at that, 60Hz monitor) |
| 15:31 |
user333_ |
5.15.0-dev removed that cap |
| 15:31 |
cheapie |
Yeah, but I still have it enabled and can't be bothered to play with settings right now |
| 15:31 |
user333_ |
though all my monitors are 60hz as well so it doesnt matter :c |
| 15:31 |
[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> why was vsync eternally on |
| 15:32 |
user333_ |
my main PC now gets 700 FPS in MT thanks to that fix |
| 15:32 |
cheapie |
Still better than that one time I tried Quake II RTX with RT on and software rendering, that "worked" in 640x480 and did a whole 10 frames per... day |
| 15:32 |
user333_ |
nothing beats the time i got over 10k FPS in one of the Irrlicht demos |
| 15:33 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> with the null driver? |
| 15:33 |
[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> congrats on getting 0.12mFPS |
| 15:33 |
[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> beats my record for sure |
| 15:33 |
cheapie |
I screwed around with some old ATI Radeon 9000-series demos on modern hardware once, it was kind of funny running Fraps (which does work in Proton too) and seeing it just pegged at "999" |
| 15:33 |
user333_ |
with opengl iirc, though software rendering got over 500 FPS |
| 15:35 |
* user333_ |
has to go |
| 15:35 |
cheapie |
https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/Screenshot%20at%202024-10-12%2017-26-52.png (top left) |
| 15:35 |
cheapie |
Mesa overlay has more digits: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/Screenshot%20at%202024-10-12%2017-19-52.png |
| 15:36 |
cheapie |
3DMark2001 SE also properly handles >=1kFPS in the car chase test (the one where it shows the FPS on-screen in a HUD thing), it caps the displayed FPS at 999 but does log the real value |
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Krock |
Client: HexChat 2.16.2 • OS: Debian 13.0 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 680 @ 3.60GHz (3.52GHz) • Memory: 5.4 GiB Total (4.8 GiB Free) • Storage: 3.8 GB / 6.6 GB (2.8 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation 1st Generation Core i3/5/7 Processor Reserved • Uptime: 2m 29s |
| 16:19 |
Krock |
found a CPU with 3 digits. Spoiler: It's old. |
| 16:22 |
cheapie |
I have a 386SX-16 but I don't think Luanti is going to run on that any time soon |
| 16:32 |
cheapie |
The photo enforced roundabout in Bonnthal is back: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/2025-12-25%2010-29-29.webm |
| 16:34 |
cheapie |
There's just a (digilines) player detector under the center island, it's connected to a Luacontroller that both turns the flash under the camera on and off and triggers command blocks that place and remove a bunch of maptools:lightbulb (using a VoxelManip, because why not) |
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cheapie |
Some very slight edits to that escalator (removed some code that didn't do anything when used as intended, but was making launching more difficult) and now I can launch over 1km: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/2025-12-25%2010-46-49.webm |
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user333_ |
look what i found: https://web.archive.org/web/20120409212845/http://minetest.net/ |
| 23:31 |
user333_ |
ima see if the included source code for 0.2 will compile on modern linux |
| 23:32 |
user333_ |
short answer: no |
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user333_ |
unrelated, what was the first version to have core,change_player_privs(...) ? |
| 23:58 |
user333_ |
s/,/. |
| 23:58 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> git blame is your friend |
| 23:59 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/blame/46436248de4d64887f5ee3f1005224495ede895c/builtin/game/auth.lua#L189 - https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/afc48cf2242d576aed2371b4763a71fec8739857 - 5.9.0 |
