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cheapie |
Yay, Luanti just segfaults now. Time to bisect and stuff I guess... |
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pgimeno |
maybe the fire at the 12th floor broke something? |
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MinetestBot |
[git] cx384 -> luanti-org/luanti: Fix pushing non existing palette to Lua 68a9b4d https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/68a9b4deb426a67b06e7b1259b1212caabc48cd4 (2026-08-02T11:17:49Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] cx384 -> luanti-org/luanti: CPCSM/SSCSM: Node Definition rename palette fields 5a17ebf https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/commit/5a17ebf6c5155cf6c22943013266856e8895b337 (2026-08-02T11:17:49Z) |
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| 14:43 |
Sompi |
Modern Linux experience: Yesterday it worked, but today it mysteriously only segfaults. |
| 14:44 |
user333_ |
very true |
| 14:45 |
cheapie |
Sompi: Yes, but on the other hand I reported the issue last night and then woke up today to find it fixed |
| 14:45 |
Sompi |
I have had that happen with many programs without even updating anything. Nowadays there are so many dynamic linkages and no-one knows what they all do :/ |
| 14:46 |
cheapie |
#14703 FWIW, was fixed a few hours ago |
| 14:46 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/14703 -- SDL2: Support highdpi by grorp |
| 14:46 |
cheapie |
#17403 * |
| 14:46 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/17403 -- Segmentation fault when loading Dreambuilder |
| 14:47 |
Sompi |
My Luanti installation does not currently work, I should probably recompile everything again. But before that I should update everything and then there is a high chance that all recent rustacean patches break the kernel in more than one ways and often Firefox also starts behaving weirdly after updating it... |
| 14:48 |
cheapie |
I haven't had Firefox do anything weird in ages now |
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Sompi |
I miss the time when you could just update all packages in your system and expect things to become better, not worse |
| 14:48 |
cheapie |
What distro are you on? |
| 14:49 |
Sompi |
Slackware |
| 14:49 |
cheapie |
Try Debian I guess? Seems to generally work fine for me, even on sid |
| 14:49 |
user333_ |
i have never broken my arch installs and i always seem to break my debian installs (managed to remove /lib last time) |
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Sompi |
I will never go back to Debian anymore, after all the recent idiocy they have done |
| 14:51 |
Sompi |
First they started dropping target platforms and then they started forcing systemd and rust into everything |
| 14:51 |
Sompi |
And dropping more target platforms, because of rust |
| 14:51 |
user333_ |
are you sure you're not thinking of ubuntu |
| 14:51 |
user333_ |
they are forcing the rust coreutils afaik |
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Sompi |
Ubuntu never had that many target platforms to begin with. But Debian was the most portable Linux Distro. |
| 14:51 |
user333_ |
although debian did drop 32-bit x86 support |
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Sompi |
Currently Debian is also forcing rust in APT, which makes it impossible to port any Debian derivative distributions to platforms that rust does not support |
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Sompi |
And they are also planning to include the rust-rewritten coreutils that still don't even work |
| 14:53 |
Sompi |
I switched my server from Debian to Devuan because of systemd, but then they dropped the entire 32-bit target and now I think I have had enough of Linux. Too unstable, everything is constantly changing in stupid and unpredictable ways |
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Sompi |
I am in the process of migrating it to NetBSD |
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user333_ |
really? debian doesn't really break unless you mess with it in weird ways (like i did ._.) |
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Sompi |
That used to be the case, but not anymore. Nowadays it can break on itself |
| 14:55 |
user333_ |
also i am 90% sure you're thinking of ubuntu forcing rust stuff |
| 14:55 |
Sompi |
The new normal in Linux world is that even the CPU target of the program is changed when you install updates |
| 14:56 |
Sompi |
For example, you have an i686 CPU and a software update randomly introduces SSE2 instructions to the program |
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user333_ |
enough talk, give me an example |
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Sompi |
And everything becomes more bloated so ridiculously fast. It started after 2017, I assume that's when those corporate infiltrators got in |
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Sompi |
Before that a standard Slackware installation with xfce4 running consumed less than 40 megabytes of RAM, but it very quickly jumped to 512 megabytes and beyond |
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Sompi |
And most graphical applications stopped working without a SSE2 capable processor, even when the hardware target was i686 |
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user333_ |
i checked APT's source code, it's still written in C++, so i don't know what you're going on about |
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Sompi |
You clearly haven't followed the news |
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user333_ |
all i've seen recently is (a) AUR malware (b) ubuntu forcing rust |
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Sompi |
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2025/10/msg00285.html |
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user333_ |
i don't see a point to this conversation other than to complain about "how bad debian is" |
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jonadab |
People who object to Debian because of systemd, usually use Devuan these days. |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> debian bad, please star this message to spread awareness |
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MTDiscord |
<.zenonseth> once you strip away the branding, the desktop env, and the package manager, every OS is the same - just a collection of algorithms designed to arbitrate hardware access and present a unified API to software developers and try to solve the same issues - deadlocks, resource starvation, and hardware security |
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MTDiscord |
<.zenonseth> paraphrased from an old university CS professor i had |
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cheapie |
New argument for a larger world size just dropped: |
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cheapie |
<%VE-Creative> <EricCabra> i wish to build your mom, but the server is too small |
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MTDiscord |
<paradust> Has anyone prototyped SDL3 support on Android? |
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Krock |
feel free to try it |
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Krock |
I only tested it on Linux, and that... since its introduction |
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MTDiscord |
<paradust> I did try it on Linux, works fine. But I managed to find a workaround for what I'm doing that works with SDL2, so its no longer blocking my side project |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> jordan4ibanez: I gave you a star on Matrix lole |
