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| 00:00 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> It's a multi cpu motherboard |
| 00:00 |
user333_ |
oh phew |
| 00:01 |
user333_ |
i have seen 96+c servers though |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> look into epyc quad socket |
| 00:05 |
user333_ |
bit above my budget |
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Noisytoot |
jordan4ibanez: using ~240W right now with one PSU and compiling something (but it's only using one core and far from saturating the cpu, but not exactly idle either) |
| 00:40 |
Noisytoot |
user333_: 2 sockets, 6 SMT8 cores per socket, 8 threads per core (an SMT8 core is basically two SMT4 cores with only minor scheduling differences, I suspect most of the reason POWER9 has SMT8 at all is just silly per-core software licensing reasons) |
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Noisytoot |
~211W idle, ~290W running stress -c 96 |
| 02:30 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> Not bad! |
| 02:31 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> Is that at the wall of software? |
| 02:31 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> Is that at the wall, or is that the software reading? |
| 03:20 |
Noisytoot |
at the wall |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> https://klipy.com/gifs/yes-will-ferrell |
| 05:13 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> I was hoping I'd be very wrong and now I want to get one even more |
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| 08:59 |
honkisakamoto |
Hello |
| 09:04 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> hello honkisakamoto |
| 09:09 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> we have a saying on IRC, "Don't ask to ask, just ask" |
| 09:32 |
honkisakamoto |
Where is everyone? |
| 09:33 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> most americans are asleep, most europeans are at work/school, and anyway, people tend to talk only when they see an interesting question or topic |
| 09:39 |
honkisakamoto |
So, I think I am the only one who live in Asia |
| 09:39 |
[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> i... might be |
| 09:40 |
honkisakamoto |
Yea, You can save it |
| 09:40 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> it is mostly asia & oceania at the moment |
| 09:40 |
honkisakamoto |
I see |
| 09:41 |
honkisakamoto |
So, o yea, I just realized I chat on the #luanti lol |
| 09:41 |
honkisakamoto |
Are you play luanti still? |
| 09:42 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> not this very minute, but I played Labyrinthus earlier |
| 09:42 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> https://content.luanti.org/packages/1248/labyrinthus/ |
| 09:42 |
honkisakamoto |
You just recently played Luanti |
| 09:43 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> yes, just today |
| 09:43 |
honkisakamoto |
I think I missed something, since I wasn't playing luanti 2 years ago |
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| 09:44 |
honkisakamoto |
Someone has Disconnected |
| 09:44 |
honkisakamoto |
And reconnected |
| 09:44 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> people connect, people disconnect, it happens all the time |
| 09:45 |
honkisakamoto |
My English is still broken, I don't have time to fix it XD |
| 09:45 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> well Luanti has gotten better better version 5.9 in 2024 and 5.17 in 2026 |
| 09:45 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> *better between |
| 09:46 |
honkisakamoto |
Yea, That's fire! |
| 09:46 |
honkisakamoto |
I think, just logged in to Luanti game. |
| 09:47 |
honkisakamoto |
And also, I will not forget the older name of luanti, Minetest. |
| 09:47 |
honkisakamoto |
I wondered, Why It's name changed |
| 09:47 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> We will definitely remember Minetest. It's nostalgic for a lot of people |
| 09:49 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> you could read the blog post https://blog.luanti.org/2024/10/13/Introducing-Our-New-Name/ |
| 09:50 |
cheapie |
honkisakamoto: Long story short, it's part of the "it's not just for block games, we swear, even though it totally is" thing the core devs have been saying for ages now |
| 09:51 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> to me, the word "test" in the name does *not* inspire confidence |
| 09:51 |
cheapie |
And the rebrand didn't go particularly well, it's probably the most frequently deadnamed piece of software I've ever seen |
| 09:52 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> I had the misfortune of reading another `local core = minetest` in a mod today |
| 09:52 |
Izzy |
critical support for luanti in this trying time |
| 09:52 |
[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> oh god |
| 09:52 |
honkisakamoto |
I am understand it right now |
| 09:52 |
[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> what about the people running 0.4.5??? |
| 09:53 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> I dare you to try 10 random mods off ContentDB on 0.4.5 and see if they work |
| 09:53 |
* cheapie |
gives Blockhead256 core.env:add_node() |
| 09:53 |
[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> it's like a silver bullet for coredevs |
| 09:53 |
cheapie |
For when you can't decide if you're writing for a current version or an ancient one :P |
| 09:54 |
honkisakamoto |
I haven't touch that since 2024 |
| 09:55 |
honkisakamoto |
Do you have tried PVP on luanti? |
| 09:55 |
honkisakamoto |
Guys? |
| 09:55 |
cheapie |
I basically always have damage turned off entirely |
| 09:55 |
[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> yes and it's apple eating simulator extreme |
| 09:56 |
cheapie |
Even on the survival server I run, damage is disabled |
| 09:56 |
honkisakamoto |
Owh lol, my bad 😂 |
| 09:56 |
cheapie |
I have better things to do than getting blown up by random mobs and trying to figure out if a fall will be survivable or not |
| 09:57 |
honkisakamoto |
Yea, that's suck |
| 09:57 |
honkisakamoto |
Also, IRC, can we talk about it here? |
| 09:57 |
cheapie |
I mean, you're /on/ IRC... |
| 09:58 |
honkisakamoto |
Yea |
| 09:58 |
honkisakamoto |
Even though It's old, It still used today |
| 10:00 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> it just works (tm) |
| 10:00 |
honkisakamoto |
™ |
| 10:01 |
cheapie |
I like that the system requirements to get /some/ form of IRC client running are basically just "computer" |
| 10:02 |
honkisakamoto |
Wait! I just realized. |
| 10:02 |
honkisakamoto |
Is this server connected to a server? |
| 10:02 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> perhaps |
| 10:02 |
Ingar |
ignore what discord calls "server" |
| 10:03 |
honkisakamoto |
I mean, IRC Server to Minetest Server |
| 10:03 |
honkisakamoto |
Owh, So it's discord server |
| 10:03 |
cheapie |
This channel no, but there are other ones that are |
| 10:03 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> IRC exists in rooms. This room is not connected to any Luanti server, but some servers have chat connected an IRC room |
| 10:03 |
cheapie |
#ve-minetest-servers on this network is bridged to a channel on another network that has a few Luanti servers connected to it |
| 10:03 |
honkisakamoto |
Yea, I understand |
| 10:04 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> this is an IRC room but Matrix and Discord are "bridged" to it |
| 10:04 |
* cheapie |
stares at Blockhead256 until they stop calling channels "rooms" :P |
| 10:04 |
honkisakamoto |
How did you do that? |
| 10:04 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> oops |
| 10:04 |
cheapie |
honkisakamoto: The /me command |
| 10:05 |
* honkisakamoto |
test |
| 10:05 |
cheapie |
like that |
| 10:05 |
honkisakamoto |
Ahh I see |
| 10:07 |
honkisakamoto |
Hopefully I can find Somebody that live on same country on this room |
| 10:08 |
Ingar |
japan ? |
| 10:08 |
honkisakamoto |
Nope, That's my OC's name. |
| 10:08 |
* cheapie |
hears something about Japan, emits https://cheapiesystems.com/media/2026-08-08%2021-04-06.webm |
| 10:09 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> how do you even find all these files when they just have timestamp names? |
| 10:09 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> Indonesia? |
| 10:09 |
honkisakamoto |
I won't reserve my real name |
| 10:10 |
cheapie |
Usually I have some vague idea of about when the file I want is from, then I click through each one until I find the one I want |
| 10:10 |
honkisakamoto |
Wait! How did you know that?! |
| 10:10 |
[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> magic of timezones |
| 10:10 |
cheapie |
And that railroad crossing is (a vague approximation of) a Japanese one, although I think several other Asian countries use similar designs too |
| 10:10 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> because there's millions of people in indonesia, and yes, timezones :P |
| 10:11 |
honkisakamoto |
Huh? Can you see that on IRC? |
| 10:12 |
honkisakamoto |
Oh, nevermind |
| 10:12 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> I probably could see your IP address but I'm not actually on IRC |
| 10:13 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> https://libera.chat/guides/cloaks |
| 10:13 |
cheapie |
They're cloaked already |
| 10:13 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> oic |
| 10:14 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> yeah anyway at this time of day 1st guess japan, 2nd indonesia |
| 10:14 |
honkisakamoto |
That was QUIC |
| 10:14 |
honkisakamoto |
I mean, Quick |
| 10:15 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> I mean shoutout to all the Luanti players in Solomon Islands, Papua New Guinea, Brunei and East Timor, but, stastically there aren't many of you |
| 10:16 |
honkisakamoto |
Yea, That's sad thing that so many Indonesian doesn't know Luanti (Formerly Minetest) |
| 10:17 |
honkisakamoto |
Should I join The Discord Server? |
| 10:17 |
honkisakamoto |
Just Asking |
| 10:18 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> join the everything lol https://forum.luanti.org/viewtopic.php?t=29985 |
| 10:19 |
honkisakamoto |
Everything!!! 😂😂😂😂 |
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honkisakamoto |
honkisakamoto: testing mentioning on the IRC |
| 10:28 |
honkisakamoto |
nothing happened :3 |
| 10:42 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> CDB has 3446 packages, with a total of 24,577,925 downloads. |
| 10:42 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> Well that's sad, not everybody in Australia has had the opportunity to download a ContentDB package :P |
| 10:47 |
honkisakamoto |
@Blockhead256[MatrxMT]: Is unaccessable? |
| 10:47 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> hehe no, it's just a comparison of population to another big number |
| 10:48 |
honkisakamoto |
Blockhead256[MatrxMT]: I understand it right now |
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honkisakamoto |
Wow, They even have IRC logs on their web https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/5xydIcz4/Screenshot_2026-08-27-18-04-42-935_com.android.chrome.jpg |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> yes, this is why IRC is better, you can find it on Google unlike Discord :) |
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honkisakamoto |
Lemme just relogin |
| 11:41 |
honkisakamoto |
Done! |
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Guest68 |
Hi all, looking for a quick recommendation - my kids have a seed that can create island chain type worlds and using the Draconis mod they've got their only little Isle of Berk |
| 12:20 |
Guest68 |
We've experimented with some village mods but no success so far with villagers - does anyone have any suggestions? |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> the strongest villagers I know of aren't in separate mods but in base games like Mineclonia and Repixture |
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Guest68 |
Ahhh, in which case I'll look at those two games |
| 12:29 |
Guest68 |
Thanks for the tip |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Blockhead256> np |
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technomancy |
honkisakamoto: IRC doesn't send you back your own messages, so that's why mentioning yourself doesn't work |
| 18:30 |
technomancy |
also, selamat datang |
| 18:35 |
Krock |
though works if you use a relay such as ZNC |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> who took down the luanti app? |
| 19:09 |
celeron55 |
the usual suspect, microsoft |
| 19:10 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> Must resist using gif |
| 19:10 |
celeron55 |
with their usual helpers, google and tracer |
| 19:10 |
[MatrxMT] |
<birdlover32767> accomplices |
| 19:10 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> https://klipy.com/gifs/fuck-o365 |
| 19:10 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> It was too strong of an urge |
| 19:11 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> "Our ai system encountered an issue with your code, it look like block, only we can do block" |
| 19:11 |
celeron55 |
but, actually all that happened was that google removed the app from their crappy store. just download it elsewhere and it's as if nothing happened |
| 19:11 |
celeron55 |
play store has only as much authority as you give it |
| 19:11 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> https://blog.luanti.org/2026/08/27/luanti-dmca-tracer-ai/ |
| 19:12 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> blog post is up |
| 19:12 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> go go go go go |
| 19:12 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> Oh you mean the store that keeps trying to push discounts, subscriptions, and borderline malware on the front page? |
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MTDiscord |
<.zenonseth> give me dark mode for the blog post so i don't get blinded please |
| 19:14 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> I agree |
| 19:14 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> PRs welcome |
| 19:14 |
technomancy |
google's not my real dad! |
| 19:14 |
MTDiscord |
<.zenonseth> Wo ist die Quelle? |
| 19:15 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> (I also use dark reader though so I don't notice it quite as much 😄) |
| 19:15 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> https://github.com/luanti-org/blog |
| 19:15 |
MTDiscord |
<.zenonseth> vielen dank |
| 19:15 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> it uses... some css framework, don't remember which one, maybe it has built-in css dark mode support if you do something with it |
| 19:17 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> Find what extension or addon in your ide makes your life easier and grab a shovel zenon |
| 19:17 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> I know that face all too well lmao |
| 19:18 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> Microsoft is setting up a great framework for if this gets taken to court and they lose |
| 19:19 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> It's linux all over again :perfecto: |
| 19:19 |
technomancy |
yeah, the luanti legal team will have a field day over thi--wait what do you mean luanti doesn't have a legal team? |
| 19:20 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> You are forgetting the power of news, empathy, and donations |
| 19:21 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> This makes me a bit too uncomfortable, I'll have to do something |
| 19:22 |
MTDiscord |
<.zenonseth> actually someone should contact Leonard J. French - he specializes in copyright cases in the US |
| 19:22 |
technomancy |
nothing wins court cases like news, empathy, and donations |
| 19:23 |
MTDiscord |
<.zenonseth> he helps a lot with stuff like this, he may be able to offer some legal advice pro-bono even: https://leonardjfrench.com @rollerozxa pinging you cause you seem online - I'm serious |
| 19:24 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> hmm, interesting |
| 19:25 |
MTDiscord |
<.zenonseth> he has a youtube channel, has experience with video games too, i think there was another lawyer, but he seems like a fairly honest and decent guy |
| 19:26 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> I've forwarded it to the rest of the comms team, we'll look into it |
| 19:35 |
MTDiscord |
<red.023> when Claude Sonnet decides your app is going off the play store for having a voxel in it |
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MTDiscord |
<red.023> @rollerozxa has the EFF said anything about tracer.ai? I've heard the name before, this seems like something they would be interested in, the issue of course with legal action is it does not get the game onto the play store any faster than a counter notification, ultimately it's more of a question if someone would be interested in representing people harmed by Trace.AI's policies and play wack-a-mole with the waves of slop LLMs have brought |
| 19:42 |
MTDiscord |
us |
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MTDiscord |
<red.023> Software Freedom Law Center maybe but they are more on open source licenses being infringed |
| 19:44 |
MTDiscord |
<red.023> FSF/FSFE don't really do legal work |
| 19:45 |
technomancy |
at least not for non-GNU projects |
| 19:46 |
MTDiscord |
<red.023> yeah even then without class certification this is a awful lot of money for a single violation |
| 19:47 |
technomancy |
burn the play store to the ground imo |
| 19:47 |
MTDiscord |
<red.023> I'll ask Claude how to burn down an idea |
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MTDiscord |
<red.023> Claude am I cool? Claude tell me I am cool |
| 19:49 |
MTDiscord |
<red.023> Well more of grok question really, gotta give Elon Musk one thing, both his actual children and the LLM he had someone build to replace them have a tendency to hate him. |
| 19:49 |
technomancy |
"no, officer, what I meant was, burn the play store to the ground *in minecraft*" |
| 19:50 |
MTDiscord |
<red.023> "officer, Claude told me to do it" |
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MTDiscord |
<red.023> that's why I don't really buy it being neutral and just how you use it, "neutral technology" is fair to use for advanced biochemical research or dual use nuclear physics |
| 19:56 |
technomancy |
oh yeah absolutely; everyone who says it's neutral is just making excuses |
| 19:56 |
MTDiscord |
<red.023> LLMs are that, they have clear implications that are rooted in the technology itself, that you can't get away from, they will always shift power upwards |
| 19:57 |
[MatrxMT]_ |
<birdlover32767> officer it wasn't me who put the security backdoor trust |
| 19:57 |
MTDiscord |
<red.023> I'm sure there's someone saying nuclear weapons are neutral and it's just how you use them (project plowshare) |
| 19:57 |
MTDiscord |
<ggepic64> Backdoor exists for security reasons moment |
| 19:57 |
MTDiscord |
<red.023> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Plowshare |
| 19:58 |
[MatrxMT]_ |
<birdlover32767> we put remote internet access in our products to protect from and patch remote vulnerabilities |
| 19:58 |
MTDiscord |
<red.023> and it's not even like we didn't get good things out of nuclear weapons development, but a handful of states being able to kill millions of people in minutes is very far from neutral and just how you use it |
| 19:58 |
MTDiscord |
<ggepic64> Nuclear bombs for peace ?? You gotta be kidding me... |
| 20:00 |
MTDiscord |
<red.023> you don't have to be a Luddite that thinks nuclear weapons should never be used again to acknowledge that it centralized power in nuclear armed states over non-nuclear states |
| 20:01 |
MTDiscord |
<red.023> ggepic64: they had too many nuclear devices and no idea what to do with them |
| 20:01 |
Krock |
There are no more wars when everyone is dead. |
| 20:01 |
[MatrxMT]_ |
<birdlover32767> at least killing everyone ends world hunger |
| 20:03 |
sfan5 |
21:11 <celeron55> play store has only as much authority as you give it |
| 20:04 |
sfan5 |
thats until google prevents you from installing out-of-store apps |
| 20:04 |
MTDiscord |
<red.023> aren't apps allowed to update themselves now? |
| 20:04 |
MTDiscord |
<red.023> even outside the play store |
| 20:04 |
MTDiscord |
<ggepic64> They couldn't just disassemble them and recycle them into exploitable materials that may burn and power a plant :thonking: |
| 20:04 |
technomancy |
f-droid for the win |
| 20:06 |
MTDiscord |
<ggepic64> AI moderated apps is the worst part. Who knows if Gogol is still deploying human moderators on the Store anymore ? |
| 20:06 |
MTDiscord |
<red.023> C64: that was megatons to megawatts |
| 20:06 |
MTDiscord |
<red.023> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megatons_to_Megawatts_Program |
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[MatrxMT]_ |
<birdlover32767> sorry your app is too blocky |
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MTDiscord |
<red.023> later than plowshare iirc |
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<ggepic64> What about OS and hardware ?.. |
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<red.023> yeah PS ended in '77 and megatones to megawatts was '92 to '13 |
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<ggepic64> we made too much enriched uranium... or we made too much enriched uranium? Oh no... |
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[MatrxMT]_ |
<birdlover32767> real life is slowly turning into technic |
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MTDiscord |
<red.023> well you gotta do something with it, or it would have ended up sold to developing nuclear powers like Iran or North Korea or who have you, I don't actually know what the status of the NK and Iranian nuclear weapons development programs were in '91 |
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celeron55 |
sfan5: yeah that's the small print. i still don't quite believe they will manage to force everyone to it though |
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MTDiscord |
<red.023> looks like the NK weapons program had started by that point as was the Iranian program |
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sfan5 |
I believe there are concrete plans and timelines to introduce something like apple's notarizations |
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sfan5 |
so no more installing random APKs |
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technomancy |
more like no more spending even half a second considering buying a non-graphene phone |
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<red.023> sfan5 yes it's September 30 of this year for the test set of markets https://developer.android.com/developer-verification |
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celeron55 |
graphene is the most ironic OS ever. because it only supports google's own phones |
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user333_ |
i am one step up from a grapheneOS phone, i can run almost *anything* on my linux phone |
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MTDiscord |
<red.023> clearly they are going to hold back on global rollout till they see how it goes in those markets but the deadline is pretty clear |
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[MatrxMT]_ |
<birdlover32767> who uses a phone when you can use a laptop |
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user333_ |
too many people, unfortunately |
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celeron55 |
i'd say /e/OS is more relevant than graphene |
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<red.023> that said, you can still like sideload |
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<red.023> I don't think they will actually back track on that |
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<red.023> it just stops being a viable way to distribute applications for end users since you will need a power cycle and stuff |
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<red.023> https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2026/03/android-developer-verification.html |
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<luatic> celeron55: for now it's easy to sidestep playstore, it's not clear whether that will change, see https://keepandroidopen.org/ |
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<luatic> also whether we like it or not, play store is still where most mobile users are, most of which probably just won't bother if they can't even install luanti easily |
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<red.023> google has said it will require a reboot bypass developer verification |
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<red.023> so for now won't worry that much about it |
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<red.023> I mean their android devices still ship with an unlockable bootloader |
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<red.023> obviously there's some conflict of interest there with them also running the app store but I think they actually are worried about phishing while not wanting to fully lock down the platform |
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red-001 |
has anyone thought about applying for a port number allocation for Luanti? |
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red-001 |
UDP 30000 sadly is reserved |
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user333_ |
yeah i was going to say, good luck getting 30000 |
| 22:41 |
red-001 |
someone got TCP 30000 in 2013! |
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red-001 |
user333_: 30005 is still up for grabs as is the much less desirable 29998 |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> red-001: thought about yes, but nothing besides that :p |
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user333_ |
try getting a numeric representation of "lua" or "luanti" ? |
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red-001 |
user333_: can you give an example? |
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user333_ |
hold on a sec |
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user333_ |
if you convert "lua" to a number by position in the alphabet you get 12211 |
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red-001 |
122101 is out of range 12211 is free |
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red-001 |
12173-12299 Unassigned |
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red-001 |
12211 isn't terrible tbh |
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red-001 |
@luatic well what's stopping you |
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red-001 |
the ICANN paperwork can't be *that* bad |
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user333_ |
12211 is pretty memorable yes |
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red-001 |
better than 30000 tbh |
| 22:54 |
red-001 |
I always felt 30000 suffered from poor transition spacing |
| 22:54 |
red-001 |
is that 30000 is that 300000 you typed in, who knows! |
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user333_ |
i definitely typed 3000 or 300000 when i was getting used to it |
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red-001 |
RLL for human type numbers should really be no more than 2 or 3 repeated symbols |
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red-001 |
12211 however does maybe suffer from is that 22112 or 12112 or 122211, etc |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> i think we should strive for a large range? |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> 30300+ seem to be free |
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red-001 |
I'm not sure how many ports ICANN would give out for one bit of software |
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red-001 |
unless by large you mean like 5 or 10 which maybe doable yeah |
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user333_ |
12211-12299 is unassigned so best case scenario you could get 88 ports, though very unlikely |
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red-001 |
that's a bad number to get |
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Sheriff_U3 |
Does ContentDB now support badges in the long description? |
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honkisakamoto |
Good morning guys |
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Sheriff_U3 |
Good evening |
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honkisakamoto |
It almost 7 o'clock here. |
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Sheriff_U3 |
same |
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Sheriff_U3 |
but mine is PM |
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user333_ |
9PM here |
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honkisakamoto |
Antre Merediem |
