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[MatrxMT]_ |
<birdlover32767> when all you have is a hammer... you don't go to the hardware store? |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> Because I don't need hardware I need tools |
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Sheriff_U3 |
birdlober32767: no you go to a farm sale |
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Sheriff_U3 |
Get a bunch of used tools at a far better price |
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[MatrxMT]_ |
<birdlover32767> you get your tools from [NPc |
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[MatrxMT]_ |
<birdlover32767> [NPC] Tools Enthusiast |
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[MatrxMT]_ |
<birdlover32767> oops i hit enter too quickly |
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sfan5 |
if anyone wants to volunteer: I am wondering if this app is actually Luanti in disguise https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mcpeturk.dilsecici |
| 16:12 |
sfan5 |
if it's still possible to get an APK of an app that would suffice for me, then there's no need to actually run it |
| 16:18 |
Sheriff_U3 |
I'm grabbing v5.15.12 of that app right now. |
| 16:28 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> Oh version 5.15.12 I wonder what that could be |
| 16:42 |
MTDiscord |
<paradust> sfan5: It is |
| 16:42 |
MTDiscord |
<paradust> The apk has filenames like "/Users/ataberkw/dev/CPPProjects/mineta/luanti/src/client/../util/container.h" |
| 16:43 |
MTDiscord |
<paradust> the manifest calls it "Finecraft Hub" |
| 16:48 |
sfan5 |
yeah a client by that nmae shows up in the serverlist logs |
| 16:48 |
sfan5 |
thanks |
| 16:48 |
sfan5 |
name* |
| 16:50 |
MTDiscord |
<paradust> comes packaged with voxelibre too |
| 16:50 |
sfan5 |
I did find an random APK with this ID online but wasn't sure if it's actually the one shipped on google play |
| 16:50 |
sfan5 |
look inside the clientmods/ folder for something interesting |
| 16:51 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> mind spilling the secret for those of us to lazy to download the apk? |
| 16:52 |
MTDiscord |
<paradust> firebase analytics? |
| 16:53 |
MTDiscord |
<paradust> thats all i see |
| 16:53 |
sfan5 |
yes. they appears to have added some custom client firebase api to collect analytics about blocks dug/places, deaths, achivements, ... |
| 16:54 |
Krock |
you could grep for Luanti strings or project-unique plaintext strings in the binary to be entirely sure |
| 16:54 |
sfan5 |
appear* placed* |
| 16:54 |
Krock |
though VoxeLibre is already clear enough |
| 16:54 |
MTDiscord |
<paradust> 100% sure. It also contains the urls to contentdb and serverlist |
| 16:55 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> given its voxelibre, one could get the app delisted if they really wanted |
| 16:55 |
MTDiscord |
<paradust> the assets folder has minetest.conf.example |
| 16:55 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> granted looking at the store listing, guess you wouldnt even need copywrong |
| 16:55 |
sfan5 |
in the apk I had they included both assets.zip and the extracted assets folder inside the APK, wasting space |
| 16:58 |
Sheriff_U3 |
Here's the apk if anyone wants it: https://github.com/Sheriff-Unit-3/.random-things/raw/refs/heads/main/Addons-Hub-Minecraft-PE_5.15.12_apkcube.apks?download= |
| 17:01 |
sfan5 |
huh there's something in mods/finecraft_core/ |
| 17:03 |
sfan5 |
they even compiled their lua code |
| 17:03 |
MTDiscord |
<paradust> thats only in the assets zip file, hm |
| 17:03 |
bgstack15 |
I have no stake in the process, and aside from the probably scumminess/scamminess of that project, is it somehow a problem that you can correct by getting the app removed from an app store? |
| 17:04 |
bgstack15 |
I don't know much about app stores, other than F-Droid's inclusion policies. |
| 17:04 |
MTDiscord |
<paradust> If it's dressed up to look like minecraft PE, it would be surprising that it hasn't been removed by microsoft yet |
| 17:04 |
bgstack15 |
I suppose as long as they provide the source code in reasonable methods to their users, wouldn't that be the minimum required per the license? |
| 17:05 |
bgstack15 |
Lol, definitely, about the minecraft IP violations. If they want to take down real Luanti, they should be all over the lame fakers. |
| 17:08 |
sfan5 |
I'm thinking they're in violation of the LGPL for not providing the modified Luanti source |
| 17:08 |
sfan5 |
voxelibre itself is gpl |
| 17:09 |
bgstack15 |
Hm, I don't know the details of LGPL, but I'm assuming it still requires that source availability to the users, like GPL. So yeah, take 'em down. Unless, for some reason, they are actually willing to provide source to their users, haha. |
| 17:09 |
Ingar |
never "assume" when it is about licenses |
| 17:10 |
bgstack15 |
Eh, it's OK for me to assume, when I'm far removed from the situation. If I wanted to publish under LGPL I'd read it. |
| 17:10 |
bgstack15 |
But I know I like AGPL-3.0-only |
| 17:10 |
Ingar |
bgstack15: allright, I can live with that '-) |
| 17:11 |
MTDiscord |
<sheriff_u3> Can you send tips to tracer.ai? lol |
| 17:11 |
bgstack15 |
Although you do have a good point. It's called the "lesser GPL" for a reason. Again, I assume, that it's got something to do with linking, which I'm sure a C++ app uses. |
| 17:12 |
bgstack15 |
I mostly publish network-related "code" (scripts/interpreted code), so I focus my energies on making sure networked users are entitled to the source. I don't have direct use for oddities of linking libraries. |
| 17:12 |
Ingar |
ACcording to the AI summary: The main difference between LGPL and GPL is that LGPL allows developers to link to proprietary software without requiring the proprietary software to be open-sourced, while GPL requires that any derivative works also be licensed under the GPL. |
| 17:12 |
bgstack15 |
Ew, sounds like I'm about as correct as the ai. |
| 17:22 |
sfan5 |
as far as I understand they can legally link their analytics/premium stuff/ads into the binary, but the part that is from luanti needs to be published as modified source code |
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Krock |
> https://vinix-os.org/assets/vinix-minecraft.png |
| 19:04 |
Krock |
> minecraft |
| 19:04 |
Krock |
> shows Luanti |
| 19:08 |
Sheriff_U3 |
they even have a minetest.conf in https://github.com/vlang/vinix/tree/master/build-support/minecraft |
| 19:08 |
MTDiscord |
<ggepic64> Minecraft launcher when Luanti : |
| 19:09 |
Sheriff_U3 |
https://github.com/vlang/vinix/blob/master/build-support/minecraft/run-minecraft#L2 |
| 19:10 |
Sheriff_U3 |
https://github.com/vlang/vinix/blob/master/build-support/minecraft/run-minecraft#L37-L49 |
| 19:11 |
Krock |
mind citing the entire script? /s |
| 19:11 |
Sheriff_U3 |
Nah I |
| 19:11 |
Sheriff_U3 |
*I'll stop |
| 19:12 |
Sheriff_U3 |
They are using Minetest v5.9.1 |
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