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Krock |
*greets* |
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Krock |
[Nick multiplying intensifies] |
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ANAND |
Greetings Krock! |
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ANAND |
and Mr_Pardison! |
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Krock |
Hi Mr_Pardison, ANAND, entuland (4) |
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Mr_Pardison |
greetings, ANAND and Krock |
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ANAND |
How many 'entuland's?! :O |
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Mr_Pardison |
as of right now, 3. |
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ANAND |
-.- |
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ANAND |
Krock, any idea why #7336 has been put on hold? |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7336 -- Implemented hasprivs chat-command (Closes #7266) by ClobberXD |
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Krock |
Beep. The information service is currently unavailable. Please contact the information service for more information. |
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ANAND |
Sure, that was very helpful, thanks! :P |
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ANAND |
How do I stop getting notifications from a forum topic I posted in? |
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Mr_Pardison |
github post or what? |
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Shara |
ANAND: check in user control panel... you probably turned on something in board preferences there |
| 14:54 |
ANAND |
Shara, I have enabled "Notify me upon replies by default". I've manually unsubscribed from the topic(s) though... |
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ANAND |
Keeps appearing at the top of the "View my posts" page whenever the topic receives a reply |
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Shara |
I've never used that feature, so really have no idea. |
| 15:00 |
Shara |
Github alone already spams my email enough. Don't need to add the forum to that :D |
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ANAND |
Haha |
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Mr-Pardison |
^ same with me. |
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Mr-Pardison |
I made a post on technic and I've been getting quite a lot of emails fro github about posts ppl have made. |
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ANAND |
Mr-Pardison, you can click on the "Unsubscribe" button on the right |
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ANAND |
Much easier to unsubscribe on Github |
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xerox123 |
huge thunderstorm here |
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ANAND |
Have fun :P |
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rdococ |
A NAND gateâ„¢ |
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rdococ |
Yay for the SunShine hereâ„¢ |
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ANAND |
o/ rdococ! |
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rdococ |
I am playing Mario Kartâ„¢ |
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rdococ |
I can't stopâ„¢ |
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Mr_Pardison |
here's how: let go of the gas pedal key. |
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BillyS |
My server is crashing for some reason that I can't figure out. It happens about every hours or so, and it is very annoying. Any suggestions on what it coudl be? |
| 17:33 |
BillyS |
*could |
| 17:33 |
Shara |
Checked logs for errors? |
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sfan5 |
anything in dmesg? |
| 17:33 |
BillyS |
Yep |
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BillyS |
No errors, when I run it in a terminal it just says "Killed" |
| 17:34 |
BillyS |
sfan5: Ah, thats it. It was $%^#ing OOM |
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longerstaff13 |
thought it might havebeen |
| 17:34 |
BillyS |
Not much I can do about that . . . |
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sfan5 |
add more ram :P |
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longerstaff13 |
I think he has a dedicated server |
| 17:34 |
IhrFussel |
Not sure how you get a OOM...I never got one with MT and 180 mods |
| 17:35 |
BillyS |
Were you running on 512 Mb of RAM? |
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longerstaff13 |
lol |
| 17:35 |
BillyS |
I have a VPS, and adding more RAM is quite expensive |
| 17:35 |
sfan5 |
also that, unless you are on a very resource-constrained system you shouldn't hit the limit in normal circumstancs |
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Shara |
Fussel, only takes one mod to OOM |
| 17:35 |
sfan5 |
circumstances* |
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IhrFussel |
I got 12 GB which I don't need but there is no other option @ my hoster |
| 17:36 |
IhrFussel |
4 cores 12 GB RAM or 2 cores 8 GB RAM |
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BillyS |
:envy: |
| 17:36 |
BillyS |
I have two options: Plenty of processing power and no bandwith, or plenty of bandwidth and no processing power |
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IhrFussel |
Maybe look for a better hoster? |
| 17:37 |
BillyS |
I could try, but I'm already getting a great deal. |
| 17:37 |
sfan5 |
how much ram do you have anyway? |
| 17:37 |
BillyS |
512 Mb |
| 17:37 |
sfan5 |
that's quite few |
| 17:37 |
IhrFussel |
Traffic is always unlimited* @ my hoster ... *(reducing bandwith after 20 TB) |
| 17:37 |
Krock |
512 MB* I assume |
| 17:37 |
BillyS |
What is your hoster? |
| 17:37 |
BillyS |
Yes |
| 17:37 |
BillyS |
I went with IPXCore |
| 17:38 |
BillyS |
$25 dollars a year |
| 17:38 |
longerstaff13 |
that is cheap |
| 17:38 |
IhrFussel |
My hoster is netcup ... usually a German hoster but they also accept foreign customers |
| 17:38 |
sfan5 |
can't beat that |
| 17:38 |
BillyS |
Yep |
| 17:38 |
BillyS |
Hmm, rn MT is only using 44% of my RAM |
| 17:38 |
Krock |
that should be fine for light mods but causes problems when Lua makes use of big vmanip areas |
| 17:39 |
BillyS |
Maybe if I killed apache and mysql |
| 17:39 |
Krock |
so there will be short peaks of a larger memory use - shortly afterwards, back to normal |
| 17:39 |
BillyS |
ah |
| 17:39 |
IhrFussel |
I should clarify: Mine is not a dedicated server but I have guaranteed CPU, RAM and disk space and it mostly doesn't lag |
| 17:40 |
Shara |
BillyS: It's only a great deal if it does what you need without giving you constant bother :) |
| 17:41 |
BillyS |
Heh |
| 17:42 |
BillyS |
Strange . . . arrording to top, I'm using about 50% of my memory |
| 17:42 |
BillyS |
But my provider say's I'm using 87% |
| 17:42 |
IhrFussel |
BillyS, https://www.netcup.eu/vserver/ (it says v server which is VPS but they are no regular VPS) |
| 17:42 |
Shara |
The real problem you'll get is mods that cause a sudden spike in usage |
| 17:43 |
Shara |
Any mod that does much with mapgen can make problems more likely for you |
| 17:43 |
Shara |
And if you have multiple players generating different bits of map at a time... it gets worse |
| 17:44 |
BillyS |
Grr, thats annoying |
| 17:44 |
BillyS |
too bad I can't increase swap . . |
| 17:44 |
BillyS |
That would be slower, but at least it would stop OOm from kicking in (I tihnk) |
| 17:46 |
BillyS |
Although, once the map around spawn is mostly generated, it shouldn't be as bad, correct? |
| 17:47 |
Shara |
Depends on the mods used, number of players and what exactly is kicking off the memory spikes |
| 17:50 |
rubenwardy |
ew, apache and mysql |
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sfan5 |
what do you use instead? |
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* Fixer |
looks at https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/36130650/40650136-2fc230c2-6350-11e8-9e3a-5976e1f91d0c.png |
| 19:03 |
rubenwardy |
there's an issue for that lol |
| 19:09 |
Krock |
I'm sure he copied it from the issue |
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Fixer |
rubenwardy: i don't have screenshots in your content browser in newest mt |
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Fixer |
rubenwardy: https://i.imgur.com/KbDdaIN.png |
| 19:47 |
rubenwardy |
works for m |
| 19:47 |
rubenwardy |
I need to update it anyway, I've added thumbnail support now |
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paramat |
BillyS maybe it's luajit causing OOM? but without it you'd still have to be careful with mods |
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BillyS |
paramat: I don't have lua-intensive mods tho, (I don't think). Would that change anything? |
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IhrFussel |
BillyS, you shoud monitor free -m to see if/when the RAM is exceeded |
| 20:17 |
IhrFussel |
should* |
| 20:18 |
paramat |
do you have a list of your mods anywhere? yes mods can have a huge effect on RAM use |
| 20:19 |
IhrFussel |
If you monitor RAM usage you will also see if it's a rather sudden spike or a slow increase over time ... if it's the latter then it's likely a "leak" somewhere |
| 20:20 |
BillyS |
IhrFussel, is that a ubuntu command? |
| 20:21 |
BillyS |
paramat, 1 sec |
| 20:21 |
IhrFussel |
On my server the RAM usage is a pretty consistent 1 GB and if the mods don't have a memory leak the usage should be more or less the same |
| 20:22 |
IhrFussel |
BillyS, the command should work on most Linux distros |
| 20:22 |
IhrFussel |
To monitor you could simply type "watch free -m" which will refresh the info every 2 secs |
| 20:24 |
BillyS |
The mods I have are: 3d_armor, areas, cottages, craftguide, crafting_bench, currency, homedecor, irc, letters, mapfix, maptools, moreblocks, moreores, plasticbox, player_textures, quartz, ropes, shields, simple_skins, smartshop, spawn_command, stairs, stamina, streetlamps, streetsconcrete, streetsmod, teleport_requestion, titanium, travelnet, unififeddyes, walls, worldedit, worldedit_commands, and all |
| 20:24 |
BillyS |
the mods in minetest_game |
| 20:24 |
BillyS |
IhrFussel: Well, that explains a lot, as I have 0.5 GB of RAM. :P |
| 20:26 |
IhrFussel |
Intensive mods: craftguide (can cause lots of meta on the map), homedecor (lots of particles) ... you don't have as much mods as me which means the RAM usage should be a lot less |
| 20:27 |
IhrFussel |
Just watch free -m and you will see how exactly your machine gets an OOM |
| 20:27 |
BillyS |
Hmm, good to know |
| 20:27 |
IhrFussel |
Of course you should only run minetestserver for the monitoring or else you could get false results |
| 20:28 |
BillyS |
yeah |
| 20:29 |
IhrFussel |
It could also help if you post your minetest.conf |
| 20:30 |
IhrFussel |
There are certain server settings to make MT more lightweight on CPU and RAM |
| 20:30 |
BillyS |
Sure |
| 20:31 |
BillyS |
http://0x0.st/s2v2.conf |
| 20:32 |
BillyS |
Probably should change that enable_tnt = true line at the end |
| 20:33 |
IhrFussel |
You didn't tune any map sending/loading settings...one sec |
| 20:33 |
BillyS |
kk |
| 20:34 |
IhrFussel |
How much cores do you have? |
| 20:35 |
BillyS |
2 |
| 20:35 |
IhrFussel |
num_emerge_threads = 2 helps with map generation speed |
| 20:36 |
BillyS |
Ok, Ill add that |
| 20:36 |
IhrFussel |
max_objects_per_block = 35 << reduces the amount of allowed objects per 16x16x16 area (default is 50 or so and I found 35 to be quite enough) |
| 20:37 |
BillyS |
Added that as well |
| 20:38 |
IhrFussel |
max_block_send_distance = 5 & max_block_generate_distance = 3 << you can change the values however you like...the defaults are quite high for a loaded server |
| 20:41 |
BillyS |
Got those too. Anything else? |
| 20:41 |
IhrFussel |
active_block_range = 1 << range around player in which ABMs run (default is 3 I think) |
| 20:42 |
IhrFussel |
2 is fine too doesn't have to be 1 |
| 20:44 |
IhrFussel |
server_unload_unused_data_timeout = 29 << set this a bit lower to consume less RAM (caused by loaded mapblocks) |
| 20:45 |
BillyS |
ok |
| 20:47 |
IhrFussel |
Also not sure if rollback behavior could eat RAM...ask the devs there |
| 20:49 |
IhrFussel |
With all those adjusted values applied monitor the memory usage and see if OOMs still happen |
| 20:56 |
paramat |
thanks |
| 20:57 |
paramat |
worldedit can use lots of memory but the crash would be when you use a command, so that would be obvious |
| 21:01 |
BillyS |
thanks for all the help. ;D |
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sofar |
rubenwardy: are you going to publish usage statistics? e.g. popular content items etc |
| 22:01 |
rubenwardy |
yeah |
| 22:01 |
rubenwardy |
there will be download counting |
| 22:02 |
rubenwardy |
what other stats? |
| 22:04 |
xerox123 |
rubenwardy: we have big trol spam on ctf just now btw |
| 22:05 |
sofar |
rubenwardy: web page clicks perhaps? |
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rubenwardy |
prik |
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rubenwardy |
heh |
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rdococ |
hm, first time I've ever been genuinely amused enough by an ad to click it (on tablet, because I have an ad blocker on the browsers on my laptop) |
| 23:47 |
rdococ |
(well, I also have an ad blocker for firefox on my tablet, but it was on a different app) |
| 23:48 |
rud0lf |
i sometimes click ads |
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rud0lf |
if they seem reasonable |
| 23:48 |
rud0lf |
if there was a central database, and i survey i could perform, i'd like that |
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